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Which would you rather have with a wedge, all else being equal (carry distance, dispersion, feel):

 

1. 500 more rpms of spin

2. Two more degrees of launch and height

Driver: Titleist Tsi3 w/HZRDUS Smoke Yellow TX 6.0 
3 Wood: Cobra King Speedzone/HZRDUS Smoke Yellow 70

5 Wood: Callaway Mavrik Subzero/Aldila Rogue White 70
Long Irons (4-6): Wilson D7 Forged/DG120TI
Short Irons (7-P): Wilson Staff Model Blade/DG120TI

Wedges (50/54/58): Callaway Jaws MD5 w/TI S200
Putter: Original Odyssey White Hot XG No. 7
Ball: Titleist Left Dash

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So, if you were given these numbers with the same carry distance which would you choose for a 50 Degree Gap Wedge:

 

8800 & 31.5 degrees of launch

 

9300 & 29.2 degrees of launch

Driver: Titleist Tsi3 w/HZRDUS Smoke Yellow TX 6.0 
3 Wood: Cobra King Speedzone/HZRDUS Smoke Yellow 70

5 Wood: Callaway Mavrik Subzero/Aldila Rogue White 70
Long Irons (4-6): Wilson D7 Forged/DG120TI
Short Irons (7-P): Wilson Staff Model Blade/DG120TI

Wedges (50/54/58): Callaway Jaws MD5 w/TI S200
Putter: Original Odyssey White Hot XG No. 7
Ball: Titleist Left Dash

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So, if you were given these numbers with the same carry distance which would you choose for a 50 Degree Gap Wedge:

 

8800 & 31.5 degrees of launch

 

9300 & 29.2 degrees of launch

 

You need more information. What is the ball speed? If the higher spin shot has more ball speed, it might actually get just as high as the other ball. What are their peak heights? What is the descent angle? What is the standard deviation of the launch and spin? You might want the higher average spin with lower launch, but if the standard deviation is 500PRM and the standard deviation for the other club is 100RPM, it might make more sense to pick that one because you always know what you are going to get from the club.

 

Then I really need to consider what the characteristics are on not full shots. My PW is the last club that I almost always hit full. I want to make sure my half and quarter swings with the GW fit in with distances I get with my lob wedge

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Everything else being equal, I’ll take the extra launch and height. 500 rpm isn’t going to be a difference maker.

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Ping G430 Max 15° #3 fairway - Diamana TB 70S

Ping G430 Max 21° #7 fairway - Diamana TB 80S

Ping G430 Max 26° #5 hybrid - MMTh 90S

Mizuno Pro 243 4-PW irons - MMT 105S

Mizuno T24 Raw 48°-10S wedge - MMT 105S

Mizuno T24 Raw 54°-10S and 60°-06X wedges - MMT Scoring Wedge 105S

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Spin spin spin! I like to hit them in low and biting!

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Titleist 915 F 15 deg / Diamana 70
Titleist TSi2 18 deg Hybrid / PX Hazardous Smoke Black RDX
Titleist 716 MB PW-6i / T100 4i-5i Project X 6.0

Titleist Vokey SM5 50/8F

Titleist Vokey SM9 54/10S 58/10S

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What ball, what type of pin placement?

The important thing is being to get both via your swing.

Lawn darts are always preferred.

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The flight should be lower with more spin. If you are launching higher with the same loft then you are missing out on spin.

 

Ed Snell, who started his own golf ball company, talks about this in his video clips. He suggests that:

  • Due to advances in ball core design, distance balls don't really go much further than spin balls.
  • On wedge shots, the wedge face will grab the softer urethane cover spin balls better, producing a lower launch and higher spin.

Snell Golf Overview:

Snell Talks Golf Balls (for 22 minutes):

 

(And yes, shaft dynamics also influence launch.)

What's In The Bag (As of April 2023, post-MAX change + new putter)

 

Driver:  Tour Edge EXS 10.5° (base loft); weights neutral   ||  FWs:  Calla Rogue 4W + 7W

Hybrid:  Calla Big Bertha OS 4H at 22°  ||  Irons:  Calla Mavrik MAX 5i-PW

Wedges*:  Calla MD3: 48°... MD4: 54°, 58° ||  PutterΨSeeMore FGP + SuperStroke 1.0PT, 33" shaft

Ball: 1. Srixon Q-Star Tour / 2. Calla SuperHot (Orange preferred)  ||  Bag: Sun Mountain Three 5 stand bag

    * MD4 54°/10 S-Grind replaced MD3 54°/12 W-Grind.

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I will go in next week and get the additional numbers everyone thinks is useful information.

 

That said, ball speed was essentially the same. The higher launch produced a higher shot overall by a few feet, but still gave the same carry as the higher spinning wedge. Distance was the same including carry.

Driver: Titleist Tsi3 w/HZRDUS Smoke Yellow TX 6.0 
3 Wood: Cobra King Speedzone/HZRDUS Smoke Yellow 70

5 Wood: Callaway Mavrik Subzero/Aldila Rogue White 70
Long Irons (4-6): Wilson D7 Forged/DG120TI
Short Irons (7-P): Wilson Staff Model Blade/DG120TI

Wedges (50/54/58): Callaway Jaws MD5 w/TI S200
Putter: Original Odyssey White Hot XG No. 7
Ball: Titleist Left Dash

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I will take the spin, lower flight and the tighter dispersion that comes with the lower flight.

Driver: PING G410 9 Tensei CK-Pro Raw Orange AV 65 Stiff

3 Wood: PING Rapture 13 Ping TFC 949 Stiff

5 Wood: PING G410 18 Fuji Atmos TS Black 7

Hybrid: PING G25 20, 23, 27 TCF 189H Stiff

Irons: PING Eye I25 6-PW CFS Stiff

Wedges: PING MB 52, 56, 60 CS-Lite Stiff

Putter: Bobby Grace ARSE Kicker

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I will take 50% tighter dispersion.lol

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Ping                       G430 3 Hybrid w/GD Tour AD IZ 85S

Titleist                   T200 4/T150 5-P Irons w/Axiom 105S

Titleist                   48F w/Axiom 105S 54S/60K Wedges w/DG s400

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I dont have issues with spin rate.

 

Trajectory is most important to me with all my wedges. Its how my eyes sees the ball flight and controls the distance.

 

The worst, is up shooting a wedge.

 

What do you mean by up shooting a wedge?

Driver: Titleist Tsi3 w/HZRDUS Smoke Yellow TX 6.0 
3 Wood: Cobra King Speedzone/HZRDUS Smoke Yellow 70

5 Wood: Callaway Mavrik Subzero/Aldila Rogue White 70
Long Irons (4-6): Wilson D7 Forged/DG120TI
Short Irons (7-P): Wilson Staff Model Blade/DG120TI

Wedges (50/54/58): Callaway Jaws MD5 w/TI S200
Putter: Original Odyssey White Hot XG No. 7
Ball: Titleist Left Dash

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