Goal: +3 Next Summer

[BB28403]

These + guys would get caught if they sandbagged right ?

 

Are they more scrutinized?

[Obee]

These + guys would get caught if they sandbagged right ?

 

Are they more scrutinized?

 

Definitely not. No one wants to accuse a +1.7 of sandbagging.

[BB28403]

These + guys would get caught if they sandbagged right ?

 

Are they more scrutinized?

 

Definitely not. No one wants to accuse a +1.7 of sandbagging.

 

Sweet, so I have news...

 

Kidding. At some point most of us WRXers families must wonder why we are not +’s yet

[Forged4ever]

Are they more scrutinized?

Yes, if you mean are they in the limelight more, absolutely~

 

If you’re speaking of sandbagging, then it’s as Obes stated, no

 

Cheers?

RP

[MountainGoat]

+3 is no big deal. Heck, I was +3 after three holes yesterday. It was easy. :taunt:

[Krt22]

These + guys would get caught if they sandbagged right ?

 

Are they more scrutinized?

 

Definitely not. No one wants to accuse a +1.7 of sandbagging.

 

Strange question in the first place. In what world do a multitude of + guys enter a net event, such that the possibility of sandbagging even comes into question?

[TMfan54]

These + guys would get caught if they sandbagged right ?

 

Are they more scrutinized?

 

Definitely not. No one wants to accuse a +1.7 of sandbagging.

 

Strange question in the first place. In what world do a multitude of + guys enter a net event, such that the possibility of sandbagging even comes into question?

 

Agreed. Feel like + handicaps only ever are accused of vanity handicaps.

[Forged4ever]

These + guys would get caught if they sandbagged right ?

 

Are they more scrutinized?

 

Definitely not. No one wants to accuse a +1.7 of sandbagging.

 

Strange question in the first place. In what world do a multitude of + guys enter a net event, such that the possibility of sandbagging even comes into question?

 

Agreed. Feel like + handicaps only ever are accused of vanity handicaps.

True, though if I ever see Phil’s on the board as “+2.6,” I’m callin bullsh**?

 

Cheers?

RP

[Forged4ever]

Definitely not. No one wants to accuse a +1.7 of sandbagging.

Unless of course he carries a Tour card for his day job?

 

Stay well Brother?

 

All the Best,

Richard

[Obee]

These + guys would get caught if they sandbagged right ?

 

Are they more scrutinized?

 

Definitely not. No one wants to accuse a +1.7 of sandbagging.

 

Strange question in the first place. In what world do a multitude of + guys enter a net event, such that the possibility of sandbagging even comes into question?

 

There are lot of high-level gross/net events out there at big clubs. In addition, there is almost always significant Multi-way team action (many of those bets, net) at these types of events for $$$.

[Forged4ever]

These + guys would get caught if they sandbagged right ?

 

Are they more scrutinized?

 

Definitely not. No one wants to accuse a +1.7 of sandbagging.

 

Strange question in the first place. In what world do a multitude of + guys enter a net event, such that the possibility of sandbagging even comes into question?

 

THERE ARE A LOT of high-level gross/net events out there at big clubs. In addition, there is almost always significant Multi-way team action (many of those bets, net) at these types of events for $$$.

A lot!!!

 

Cheers?

RP

[bogeypro]

I’m a +2.5. My best rounds are very boring. Like, put you to sleep boring. Fairways and greens, make a few putts. If I miss a green, it’s chip and putt. Boring. I think the biggest falsehood is thinking that + cappers all shoot 61 and have birdies flying. Most of my usual playing partners are pros or other good amateurs. Watching us play a round would probably bore you to tears (except for the crude jokes and constant harassment and s*** talking from each other).

 

None of us sit on the range for hours beating balls. We usually go practice something very specific on the range... a particular move or feel. Maybe hit one club that has been giving issues or one type of shot. Same with short game and putting. We usually play at least 9 holes most days. Most of us have jobs that allow us the time to practice fir a couple hours every day. Practice something every day and play... that’s the key. You don’t have to hit putts until your back breaks or pound balls till your hands bleed, but you do have to have specific practice every day and get on the course.

[bogeypro]

The thing that separates us from the pro's is everything. Like no joke, everything. Driver-putter...everything. No question you can improve on Skytrak. Having goals is a good thing. Realistic goals are even better. Let me tell you your future. One word, frustration. To the point you quit the game for a while. Until you can get your mind wrapped around how good a +3 actually is at everything (and how bad you are currently), you are just going to get bitter and frustrated. Oh and you will probably start getting cats as pets. Lots and lots of cats.

 

I stumbled upon this thread on accident a few weeks back. Took me some time to read thru the original thread and then this one ... incredibly entertaining! But also really sad. A lot of people started off trying to steer this guy in the right direction, only to give up.

 

Stunted: the comment from Rich S is probably the truest thing I have read. Question - Do you actually know any other golfers playing to a +3? I don't mean that as an insult; I am genuinely asking.

 

If you don't, then go find one or two ... and then go play a couple rounds with them (if they will let you join). Even if you just walk behind them, or carry their clubs for free, or ride in a cart and don't touch your clubs ... just watch them play an entire round. It should be eye-opening and will likely change your perspective.

 

FWIW - my brother is very good at golf (like - he plays on Tour and has kept his card for 7+ years now. He's not a superstar or featured in TV Commercials, but you would know his name and he's proven he belongs on that level. He doesn't carry a handicap ... but I asked him last night, and if he had to guess, he said maybe a +6?). I only share that to add credibility to the perspective/insight I offer you: +3 is not something that most of us can ever achieve. Even my brother says that +3 has to be insanely good in all phases of the game. And the reality / crappy truth is this: 99% of us can never get to +3 ... even if we REALLY REALLY REALLY wanted to.

 

More importantly ... most of us don't actually want to (and I don't think you do either). Why??? ... Because it is an enormous commitment. And I don't mean "a few hours each evening" commitment. Again, using my own brother as an example here, but I can't count how many holidays/birthdays/family-events that he had to miss because he was practicing, or traveling to a tournament, or playing an event. To get to that level, golf is not a game you play ... it becomes who you are. The reality is that maintaining that level of consistent play likely means quitting your job, neglecting your family, and forgoing a social life. Oh - and you still have to be insanely talented and dedicated to finely tuning the tiniest of details in your game.

 

My brother's advice to you: play as many rounds of golf as you can each week ... and make sure that every one of them is for meaningful stakes (money, or something that matters). If you're not on the course, live on and around the putting green. Putt until your back hurts from bending, and then head back to the course for another 9 holes.

 

My advice to you: get super realistic about what a +3 means ... and maybe consider tweaking your goals to reflect a better golf/life balance ... and not put so much pressure on yourself to be something that so few of us can actually ever become (if we even wanted to). I'm a 15 handicap. I love golf. But I love so many other things in life as well. Having seen what it takes to a plus-handicap, I'm happier teeing it up with my buddies (and my brother too) whenever I can ... and enjoying every minute of it. But I don't want to live out there.

 

And yeah, I totally wish I could stick a 9-iron to within 15 feet from 170 yards ... every time. But I don't have the talent that most +3 guys have ... and I know for a fact that I don't want to put in the work they do. I'd much rather grab a beer after a round ... and not head back to the practice green to work on those 15 footers. :-)

 

Best of luck to you Stunted ... and please get off the range!

 

I don’t agree. It is NOT about practicing till your back hurts and hands bleed then practice more. It’s about knowing how to practice and maximizing your time. Im a +2.5 and my usual groups consist of several pros and top ams in the state. None of them practice till they bleed. They practice a little every day and play at least 9 most days. Luckily, the ams have jobs that allow the practice time.

 

One other falicy is thinking that + handicaps shoot 61 every day and have birdies and eagles every hole. Most low scores are very boring... fairways greens and make putts you should make. It’s course management and minimizing big numbers while taking advantage of easy opportunities.

[YMark]

I believe Stunted has left the building.... maybe he's on the course.

[chigolfer1]

Coincidentally, this is my goal as well. :derisive:

[JAMH03]

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> LOL I’m going to have to keep an eye out for the sand baggers playing off scratch. This is the ultimate humble brag!

 

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[buckeyefl]

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> The thing that separates us from the pro's is everything. Like no joke, everything. Driver-putter...everything. No question you can improve on Skytrak. Having goals is a good thing. Realistic goals are even better. Let me tell you your future. One word, frustration. To the point you quit the game for a while. Until you can get your mind wrapped around how good a +3 actually is at everything (and how bad you are currently), you are just going to get bitter and frustrated. Oh and you will probably start getting cats as pets. Lots and lots of cats.

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> Stunted: the comment from Rich S is probably the truest thing I have read. Question - Do you actually know any other golfers playing to a +3? I don't mean that as an insult; I am genuinely asking.

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Well said

[JAMH03]

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Big $$$ games.

[rich_s2]

Vegas has Stunted at 2:1 to win the masters and he is not even playing in it. No time for us mortals anymore. He started the:

"Stunted center for kids who can't golf good" where the motto is- you are a 7 iron and skytrak away from being a god

[stunted]

heeey

this year i've only have time to hit balls a few times a week now. i try to make the most out of it though. what do you guys think of my swing progress?

https://streamable.com/3nplv

[wkuo3]

One good thing about golf is, anyone could talk the talk but always walk the walk.

First, never let anyone tell you that it can't be done until you have put in some true effort to go after it.

Had Ben Hogan gave up after many tries to stay on the professional tour and failed, I'm sure he had advice it'll never happen to him. He did not give up.

So many club pros had dream of making it on the professional tour but for one reason or the other, most of them are club professionals.

One thing to remember, the golden window of professional golf is but a couple of decades before your physical condition start to slide.

so plan it ahead and have a schedule of goals to reach. Time, does not wait for anyone.

IMHO, to achieve being a scratch golfer or better, one must have the basic tools. Have to have the distance, not distance = less chance to go under par.

You mentioned that your short game is not really up to par, like they said, practice more and double what you used to practice until you have that part handled.

Jack Nicklaus was not a good bunker player, thus he tried to avoid getting into the sand bunkers at the beginning. Later he had improved the bunker play and basically took that part out of concern for course mangement...... You'll need to improve on the short games so you can go after the pin without fear.

Good luck to you and hope you can reach your personal goal. I don;t think you'l have problem reaching a scrach level from a 3 with dedicated work, but to be a +3 needs some wuidance , not just the mechanical part of golf swing, but a mental state to go under par is either taught and learned ot born with. They call it in other sports "the killer instinct".

[rich_s2]

> @stunted said:

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> this year i've only have time to hit balls a few times a week now. i try to make the most out of it though. what do you guys think of my swing progress?

> https://streamable.com/3nplv

 

I think Brook would take the zip tie off his shoe if he could have your game. There is only one guy out there you need to be scared of, he used to post a lot but got banned a few years ago. Yeah, swing looks that good.

[stunted]

thanks, i think it's looking a lot better too <3

[Johnny Biarritz]

> @stunted said:

> thanks, i think it's looking a lot better too <3

 

Did you make +3 by this summer? That was the goal, right? If not, it’s fairly simple...I can get you handicap to +3 by Monday, no matter what it is currently.

[aggiegolfer21]

You are focused way too much on your swing. Focus on getting your setup right every time, focus on your short game, and focus on your mental game and strategy. Research DECADE by Scott Fawcett for strategy and mental game.

[stunted]

> @aggiegolfer21 said:

> You are focused way too much on your swing. Focus on getting your setup right every time, focus on your short game, and focus on your mental game and strategy. Research DECADE by Scott Fawcett for strategy and mental game.

 

that's all i got time for at the moment my friend

[Johnny Biarritz]

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What's your handicap now relative to the 3 it was when you first posted this?

[stunted]

+2.99

[Johnny Biarritz]

So your handicap has gone up 2.99 strokes from what it was last year? Interesting. Not surprising though.

[Krt22]

> @stunted said:

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> > You are focused way too much on your swing. Focus on getting your setup right every time, focus on your short game, and focus on your mental game and strategy. Research DECADE by Scott Fawcett for strategy and mental game.

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> that's all i got time for at the moment my friend

 

how many 18 hole rounds have you played in the last year?