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I'm a Grump. From Randell Mell, to paraphrase the Grinch:

 

Every Pro down in Proville liked Christmas a lot.

But the grumps who aged north of Proville did NOT.

The grumps hated what Christmas brought. They hated the wicked science so easily bought.

They hated big-headed drivers wrapped in the prettiest bows. They hated nuclear-powered golf balls that practically glow.

Oh, how they hated that part of the season!

Now, please don’t ask why; we’re not entirely sure of the reason.

Maybe their old persimmon heads weren’t screwed on just right. And maybe their FootJoys were two sizes too tight.

So they groused on Christmas Eve, hating what the game’s become. They blathered and blubbered, drinking punch rum.

Staring down from their castle with sour, grumpy frowns, they plotted and plotted to tone the sport down.

Then they grumbled, with their grump fingers drumming, “We must find a way to stop Christmas shopping from coming.”

For with it they knew, all the Pro girls and boys, would wake bright and early. They’d rush for their toys.

And then, oh the noise!

THWACK! THWACK! THWACK!

How they hated the sound of carbon composites colliding against polymer covers. How they hated the witchery of these high-tech lovers.

They hated hearing Pros brag about the newest ProV1, how they could hit the damn thing halfway to the sun!

They hated how balls had become so clever and wise, how they came with IQs greater than half the Pro guys.

And the more the grumps thought of what another Christmas would bring, the more the grumps raged, “We must stop this thing!”

Science is ruining the game, they all howled. Distance is out of control, they all yowled.

Then the grumps got an idea! An awful idea! The grumps got a wonderful, awful idea!

“Let’s get the USGA and the R&A to do their jobs. Let’s get these blue bloods to be traditionalist snobs.”

Yes, the governing bodies agreed, but we can’t give the commerce of science a quick boot, not if we don’t want to face a lawsuit.

So the grumps got the snobs to launch a study, as prep for a war with R&D nerds that might really get bloody.

They got equipment manufacturers to put up their dukes. They got the nerds vigorously defending their nukes.

The grumps loved having St. Nick in the distance/technology spat, with Jack Nicklaus saying, “The golf ball is the biggest culprit of that.”

Even Tiger weighed in, with a growl; “Roll the ball back,” he said, with Titleist crying foul.

With the snobs slow playing, dragging their study along, the grumps knew they had to be patient and strong.

Yes, another Christmas would come, nothing will make it stop. So more bombing and gouging will keep making grump heads want to pop.

Soon every Pro down in Proville, the tall and the small, will be out smashing and bashing another infernally brilliant new ball.

Have fun while you can, the grumps said to themselves. If it were up to them, Santa would stop delivering witchery packaged by elves.

“Don’t tell us we’re dinosaurs, relics or ghosts, there’s a reckoning coming that will ruin Christmas roasts.”

New toys, they insisted, don’t make Christmas better. They only make purists angry and bitter.

“The game is best when it’s about savvy and skill, not some toy that’s a magic pill.”

So take a deep breath, Pro girls and boys, enjoy Christmas before the grumps figure out how to come for your toys.

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On 5/9/2018 at 7:18 AM, clublender said:

Recently the USGA and the R&A, who make the rules for golf, released their third annual report on driving distances on the professional tours. While their first two reports found consistent but not significant growth, that all changed with the most recent report, which cited all-time highs in 2017 on all five of the men’s tours (PGA Tour, PGA Tour Champions, Web.com Tour, European Tour and Japan Golf Tour). They also found an increase on the Ladies European Tour, although the LPGA Tour showed a small decline last year. The “unusual and concerning” record-setting distance numbers led the ruling bodies to call for more research on the issue. What do you think? Do you love to see booming drives and players trying to hit par fours in one and par fives with a drive and a wedge? Or has increased driving distance turned the pro tours into drive-and-putt games with none of the challenge of mid and long iron shots, let alone a fairway wood? And have longer drives made it harder to identify with the pros, who appear to be playing an entirely different game than most mere mortals, even while destroying the competitiveness of some of golf's most hallowed courses?

I see nothing wrong with guys who swing 120 mph efficiently and accurately hitting it 320+. Just make the fairways tighter and let the rough grow thick. 

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15 hours ago, smashdn said:

 

Is scoring the only barometer that is important to make the changes?

It should be.

 

We are talking about less than 1% of all golfers in the world.  Couldn't care less how far they hit the ball.  Scale the ball or equipment back and the longer hitters have even more of an advantage.  Non one ever talks about the LPGA and what distance is doing to their game.  LPGA is talking about shortening the lengths of their course set ups.  

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51 minutes ago, heavy_hitter said:

It should be.

 

We are talking about less than 1% of all golfers in the world.  Couldn't care less how far they hit the ball.  Scale the ball or equipment back and the longer hitters have even more of an advantage.  Non one ever talks about the LPGA and what distance is doing to their game.  LPGA is talking about shortening the lengths of their course set ups.  

 

Why?  How so?  Did the long hitters lose advantage as the equipment advanced?  If it was harder to make the ball go long (while under control) who would that benefit?

 

Long is relative to the field.  290 can be long.  A driving distance around that length also precludes the need for lengthening of courses and provides more course set up options in most instances.

 

If you couldn't care less, why are you commenting on this thread about the the distances that pro tour golfers hit the ball?

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2 hours ago, smashdn said:

So as long as people shoot in and around what they are shooting now you are fine if courses must stretch to 9,000 yards in order to do so?

I wouldn't care, but that is a silly proposition.  Using length alone to control score is the tool of choice for weak architects.  There are plenty of shorter courses that are well designed which torture the pros. 

 

The architects these days are far more interested in anesthetics and forcing their ideas of how to play golf down everyone's throats.  Then they all get up in arms when the pros break their designs into pitch N putts.

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23 minutes ago, ThinkingPlus said:

I wouldn't care, but that is a silly proposition.  Using length alone to control score is the tool of choice for weak architects.  There are plenty of shorter courses that are well designed which torture the pros. 

 

The architects these days are far more interested in anesthetics and forcing their ideas of how to play golf down everyone's throats.  Then they all get up in arms when the pros break their designs into pitch N putts.

 

How is it silly?  It is happening currently.  Whether we agree with it or not it is occurring and progressing along those lines.  Courses don't get longer because it makes them more money or because they want more grass to maintain.

 

There was an article in the latest Links magazine where a certain course of high stature was broken down to how it could add 350 yards total length  It included moving two green sites approximately 30 yards apiece.

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26 minutes ago, smashdn said:

 

How is it silly?  It is happening currently.  Whether we agree with it or not it is occurring and progressing along those lines.  Courses don't get longer because it makes them more money or because they want more grass to maintain.

 

There was an article in the latest Links magazine where a certain course of high stature was broken down to how it could add 350 yards total length  It included moving two green sites approximately 30 yards apiece.

That's their choice.  They don't have to do it.  They lengthen courses because the owners/membership want the course longer based on some aesthetic and subjective notion of how they want the game played.

 

Most courses are not changing.  The reason folks notice at all is because the courses doing it are well known and it sells so it gets reported.

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2 hours ago, ThinkingPlus said:

That's their choice.  They don't have to do it.  They lengthen courses because the owners/membership want the course longer based on some aesthetic and subjective notion of how they want the game played.

 

Most courses are not changing.  The reason folks notice at all is because the courses doing it are well known and it sells so it gets reported.

 

Perhaps they value having the Tour and other events coming to their courses and they lengthen them to ensure they are providing "a proper challenge?"  Would you not think the PGA Tour is somewhat also to blame as they leave courses that don't provide the challenge or provide the product they want to show on TV?  Also the two moving majors in the US?

 

What is wrong with an aesthetic and subjective notion of how the game is played?  If we confine this to the thread topic, pro tours, they are selling a product to us.  How the product looks and is received is very important.

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7 hours ago, smashdn said:

 

Why?  How so?  Did the long hitters lose advantage as the equipment advanced?  If it was harder to make the ball go long (while under control) who would that benefit?

 

Long is relative to the field.  290 can be long.  A driving distance around that length also precludes the need for lengthening of courses and provides more course set up options in most instances.

 

If you couldn't care less, why are you commenting on this thread about the the distances that pro tour golfers hit the ball?

Science and is well documented.  The longer hitters will have shorter irons in and can still get the ball higher with a better decent angle.  Shorter hitters will be coming in with longer club and lower decent.  Bryson even said it would increase the advantage of the longer hitters over every one else.

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16 hours ago, heavy_hitter said:

Science and is well documented.  The longer hitters will have shorter irons in and can still get the ball higher with a better decent angle.  Shorter hitters will be coming in with longer club and lower decent.  Bryson even said it would increase the advantage of the longer hitters over every one else.

 

No doubt about it being longer than your peers is helpful and provides you an advantage no matter the length of course.  But there is data that shows that as courses lengthen they disproportionately benefit longer hitters.  Now as they get shorter they also disproportionately benefit longer hitters?

 

But you also have someone up above saying there is no need to lengthen courses, only "design them better."

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I think the distance debate is something that amateurs have absolutely no say in nor should they. These guys are playing for hundreds of thousands of dollars and they’re putting more focus on training that generations prior. Tiger Woods was a freak athlete when he popped up and was one of the few players on tour that trained on the course and in the weight room.

 

Bryson, Dustin, Rory, Wyndham, Cameron all these guys have a solid workout regimen on top of their training regimen. Are drivers and equipment giving them the boost or are they genetically gifted by being 6’+ coupled with a solid workout regimen? I believe recently there was a tour pro that hit an old persimmon wood and still managed to put it out about 291 carry distance. He used a persimmon wood, not a new age driver or 3 wood with carbon fiber and other lightweight strong alloys that cause a trampoline effect. 
 

Golf isn’t just about how long you can hit it, Bryson found that out last year when he didn’t even crack the top 20 during the Masters while Cameron Smith, who was the 72nd longest hitter on tour, came in 2nd place. Sure distance can play a part in how the game is played, but course designs can find a way to combat this. 

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On 3/31/2021 at 6:12 AM, smashdn said:

 

No doubt about it being longer than your peers is helpful and provides you an advantage no matter the length of course.  But there is data that shows that as courses lengthen they disproportionately benefit longer hitters.  Now as they get shorter they also disproportionately benefit longer hitters?

 

But you also have someone up above saying there is no need to lengthen courses, only "design them better."

Your point a few posts ago was that in this magazine article this club could lengthen their course 350 yards by moving two greens 30 yards. From the article do you recall if the article was saying they needed the length or that those two holes would be a better challenge with tees moved? And a side benefit would be the ability to add yardage if they so chose?

 @ThinkingPlusmade the point that there are shorter courses on tour that present a “proper” scoring challenge. I agree with her and will add that there a long tour courses that the scores re typically lower on.  That being true how is tacking.on more yards the better answer? 

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14 hours ago, Shilgy said:

Your point a few posts ago was that in this magazine article this club could lengthen their course 350 yards by moving two greens 30 yards. From the article do you recall if the article was saying they needed the length or that those two holes would be a better challenge with tees moved? And a side benefit would be the ability to add yardage if they so chose?

 @ThinkingPlusmade the point that there are shorter courses on tour that present a “proper” scoring challenge. I agree with her and will add that there a long tour courses that the scores re typically lower on.  That being true how is tacking.on more yards the better answer? 

https://www.linksmagazine.com/how-augusta-national-can-add-distance/

 

One instance does not make a truth in all cases across the board.  Everyone points to Harbor Town.  And the course is short compared to others.  It also is incredibly tight and has small greens.  Length is only one variable.

 

I don't fall into the category that there is a "proper" score.  I look at it more from an architectural standpoint.  Certain holes were intended to offer certain challenges, mental problem solving as well as execution of the actual shot.  When technology has gotten us to the point where the tactical aspects and decisions of a hole or course or wholly or nearly wholly nullified by the ability to just bomb past, over or around the architectural elements placed to facilitate those choices, we have lost a good portion of not only what makes golf, golf, but also what makes golf fun and, what, in former years, served to allow the Davids to conquer Goliaths on occasion.

 

Except for those outlier courses it has made professional golf very formulaic and, to me, a duller version of what it was.

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8 hours ago, smashdn said:

https://www.linksmagazine.com/how-augusta-national-can-add-distance/

 

One instance does not make a truth in all cases across the board.  Everyone points to Harbor Town.  And the course is short compared to others.  It also is incredibly tight and has small greens.  Length is only one variable.

 

I don't fall into the category that there is a "proper" score.  I look at it more from an architectural standpoint.  Certain holes were intended to offer certain challenges, mental problem solving as well as execution of the actual shot.  When technology has gotten us to the point where the tactical aspects and decisions of a hole or course or wholly or nearly wholly nullified by the ability to just bomb past, over or around the architectural elements placed to facilitate those choices, we have lost a good portion of not only what makes golf, golf, but also what makes golf fun and, what, in former years, served to allow the Davids to conquer Goliaths on occasion.

 

Except for those outlier courses it has made professional golf very formulaic and, to me, a duller version of what it was.

My take is a bit different. Was the original intent for Snead or Runyan?  Norman or Pavin?  There is a whole lotta yardage between players. So having an intent of how  a hole “should” be played is a poor design imo.

If the short guy no longer in contention how is a Brian Harman still contending?

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" Today, as the driving-distance gap between elite and average golfers continues to widen, many of the world’s great courses are struggling to respect their origins while remaining viable championship hosts. The new Southern Hills attempts to do just that."

 

Regarding Southern Hills recent 11 million dollar "resto-vation."  What do we do when a municipality owned venue must do this to remain viable?  Do we care when Torrey or Bethpage are no longer capable of containing their game?

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One thing I think is horrible is to penalize long hitters by setting up "new" obstacles like bunkers or tighter fairways deep etc to try and balance out the benefit of hitting long. 

 

If you're gonna set up bunkers deep then you have to set up bunkers short too..... it is not the long hitters fault he can bomb it so why penalize them. 

 

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20 hours ago, Barfolomew said:

One thing I think is horrible is to penalize long hitters by setting up "new" obstacles like bunkers or tighter fairways deep etc to try and balance out the benefit of hitting long. 

 

If you're gonna set up bunkers deep then you have to set up bunkers short too..... it is not the long hitters fault he can bomb it so why penalize them.

 

Don't think of it as penalizing, think of it as balancing the reward with risk.  A bunker at 270 poses no risk (and no interest) to most tour players in most situations.  The bunker at 310 on the side of the fairway you want to be on to attack the green now poses a quandary.  Do I tempt playing close to that bunker and get that better angle and risk going in, or do I play to the wider part (or short of the bunker) and have the poorer angle or longer shot?

 

I don't think a good architect ever wants to wholly prevent a player from hitting a shot or taking a line. I think they just want the player to face more risk the bolder they try to be.  You want to reap big rewards with aggressive play, that needs to be balanced with dire consequences should you not pull it off.

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3 hours ago, smashdn said:

 

Don't think of it as penalizing, think of it as balancing the reward with risk.  A bunker at 270 poses no risk (and no interest) to most tour players in most situations.  The bunker at 310 on the side of the fairway you want to be on to attack the green now poses a quandary.  Do I tempt playing close to that bunker and get that better angle and risk going in, or do I play to the wider part (or short of the bunker) and have the poorer angle or longer shot?

 

I don't think a good architect ever wants to wholly prevent a player from hitting a shot or taking a line. I think they just want the player to face more risk the bolder they try to be.  You want to reap big rewards with aggressive play, that needs to be balanced with dire consequences should you not pull it off.

 

I'm down with that mentallity that the tour has out grown the architects design... but when adjustements to a course only effect the longest hitters guys who hit it shorter then Rory like Francesco Molinari are smiling cause gives them a better chance for a clean lie.  But I guess that's how most courses have always been designed, shorter shot safe long shot more risk lol. Can't win.

 

It's almost like the most fair way to everyone is dial the ball back 20-30 yards cause that effects everyone equally lol but no one wants that cause long ball rocks lol  I love droppin bombs... but on some courses its rare I hit a 6 iron lol

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9 hours ago, smashdn said:

 

Don't think of it as penalizing, think of it as balancing the reward with risk.  A bunker at 270 poses no risk (and no interest) to most tour players in most situations.  The bunker at 310 on the side of the fairway you want to be on to attack the green now poses a quandary.  Do I tempt playing close to that bunker and get that better angle and risk going in, or do I play to the wider part (or short of the bunker) and have the poorer angle or longer shot?

 

I don't think a good architect ever wants to wholly prevent a player from hitting a shot or taking a line. I think they just want the player to face more risk the bolder they try to be.  You want to reap big rewards with aggressive play, that needs to be balanced with dire consequences should you not pull it off.

It’s not necessarily bolder.  Both guys are hitting driver but one has way more room than the other because he’s shorter? 
  Make the holes move a little….not straight runways. That brings out strategy over pure power.

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On 3/30/2021 at 4:54 AM, smashdn said:

So as long as people shoot in and around what they are shooting now you are fine if courses must stretch to 9,000 yards in order to do so?

No need to make these courses longer IMO.  They still have to get the ball in the hole with the fewest strokes possible.  I don't have a problem with guys like Brooks, Bryson, Champ, Rory, etc., ripping their drives 300+yards.  Imagine the ball being dialed back and how that would affect ratings.  I would still watch because I've been playing golf since I was 8, but how many die hard golf fans like us are out there?  There are way more casual fans that might stop watching when they learn that everyone on tour is only able to max out at 290 or whatever.  Number of birdies and eagles might drop hence the winning scores will be lower.  I don't know about you guys, but I like watching these guys going low.  You have the 4 majors that really test their skills and that's fine.  Golf becomes a bore to the casual fans though when the pros are struggling to shoot even par for the entire tournament like the year Retief won the US Open at Southern Hills.  Man that was brutal. 

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20 hours ago, Barfolomew said:

 

I'm down with that mentallity that the tour has out grown the architects design... but when adjustements to a course only effect the longest hitters guys who hit it shorter then Rory like Francesco Molinari are smiling cause gives them a better chance for a clean lie.  But I guess that's how most courses have always been designed, shorter shot safe long shot more risk lol. Can't win.

 

Clean lie but longer approach.  Rory can lay up short of the bunker as well if he is cool with the longer approach.  Risk without reward is penal.  Generally the penal school of architecture is not well-received or revered.  That is not to say that you cannot have penal features on a course.  Water fronting a green is a good example.

 

20 hours ago, Barfolomew said:

It's almost like the most fair way to everyone is dial the ball back 20-30 yards cause that effects everyone equally lol but no one wants that cause long ball rocks lol  I love droppin bombs... but on some courses its rare I hit a 6 iron lol

 

I hear you.  I am not good at golf but I can hit the ball a pretty long ways.  290-300 right where you want it in the fairway makes the game so much easier.

 

I think what you are saying is why the "championship courses" have so many 200+ par threes.  Those become the only opportunities the architect or designer can ensure you get a long iron in their hands.

 

If a PGA guy is driving it 320 a par four hole needs to be around 550 yards long to get a 5i in his hands for the approach (assuming flat ground, etc.)  550 yard par fours aren't something I see modern architects really itching to create a lot of.

 

In the days of persimmon there were holes designed to be driver-4wood holes that were shorter in length by around 100 yards.  a 450 yard par four was long then.  Now it is driver-pw (450-320drive = 130 pw shot) for pros.

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13 hours ago, Shilgy said:

It’s not necessarily bolder.  Both guys are hitting driver but one has way more room than the other because he’s shorter? 
  Make the holes move a little….not straight runways. That brings out strategy over pure power.

Not necessarily, no.  But i don't think of it in terms of what club they are hitting but what shot they are hitting.  Depending upon the scenario and hazards that are out there to be navigated one player's iron shot off the tee or 3w is a more aggressive play than another's driver.

 

Sometimes straightening a hole brings in more strategy.  It opens up parts of the fairway you couldn't access from the tee before.

 

In most cases I agree that asking for a shot to bend off the tee is a good move for the farther back tees because those players should be expected to move the ball both ways.  However, there are times when doing that means only one shot shape fits or works and it takes the decision making aspect away from the player.  You haven't left enough rope to tempt the player to hang himself.

 

Here is a good example.  Check hole number 1.  Making the back tee box in line with the others now gives the golfer playing from back there the option to take on the dogleg and bunkers whereas before he was laying up short of all that due to the angle.

https://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php?topic=69783.0 

 

Hard, running greens make approach angles matter.  When approach angles matter being in a certain spot in the fairway matters.  When being in a certain spot in the fairway matters where you place your drive becomes as, or maybe more, important as how far you hit it.

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On 4/9/2021 at 9:06 AM, smashdn said:

https://www.linksmagazine.com/how-augusta-national-can-add-distance/

 

One instance does not make a truth in all cases across the board.  Everyone points to Harbor Town.  And the course is short compared to others.  It also is incredibly tight and has small greens.  Length is only one variable.

 

I don't fall into the category that there is a "proper" score.  I look at it more from an architectural standpoint.  Certain holes were intended to offer certain challenges, mental problem solving as well as execution of the actual shot.  When technology has gotten us to the point where the tactical aspects and decisions of a hole or course or wholly or nearly wholly nullified by the ability to just bomb past, over or around the architectural elements placed to facilitate those choices, we have lost a good portion of not only what makes golf, golf, but also what makes golf fun and, what, in former years, served to allow the Davids to conquer Goliaths on occasion.

 

Except for those outlier courses it has made professional golf very formulaic and, to me, a duller version of what it was.

The PGA Tour isn’t in the business of “selling” course architecture or mental challenges as to how the course is designed. While I agree with your sentiments, that’s just simply not the Tours business strategy at all.
 

Try this:

Think of whatever the best golf course is for you, think of it doesn’t matter where it is don’t take into account logistics or anything like that. Just think of a golf course. It can have all the architecture features that you want that you think are challenges and mental problems that challenge shotmaking. Here’s the catch, 2 of the top 100 show up every year.
 

now humor me here. Say hypothetically there’s a golf course that is completely and totally flat no slope at all, simply flat. No bunkers and every hole is dead straight with no trees and moderate rough, BUT 100 of the top 100 in the OWGR are committed to playing every year. Which event gets a spot on the schedule? The latter.
 

moral of the story The Tour can sell   players, they can’t sell golf courses (although they’re trying and getting damn good at it with their TPC properties...mark my words maybe in my lifetime but for sure the next generations) every event minus a handful 5-6 (not including majors) will be at a TPC venue. It’s what the Tour wants, whether they build or takeover the existing properties I am not sure logistically it’s cheaper to buy than build but they don’t want to keep losing out on revenue from paying course rental fees (which are ridiculous btw) or lose out on revenue from selling tee times at a PGA Tour venue. 

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      2024 Texas Children's Houston Open - Tuesday #2
      2024 Texas Children's Houston Open - Tuesday #3
       
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
      Thorbjorn Olesen - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Ben Silverman - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Jesse Droemer - SoTX PGA Section POY - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      David Lipsky - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Martin Trainer - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Zac Blair - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Jacob Bridgeman - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Trace Crowe - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Jimmy Walker - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Daniel Berger - WITB(very mini) - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Chesson Hadley - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Callum McNeill - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Rhein Gibson - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Patrick Fishburn - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Peter Malnati - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Raul Pereda - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Gary Woodland WITB (New driver, iron shafts) – 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Padraig Harrington WITB – 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
       
       
       
       
      Pullout Albums
       
      Tom Hoge's custom Cameron - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Cameron putter - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Piretti putters - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Ping putter - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Kevin Dougherty's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Bettinardi putter - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Cameron putter - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Erik Barnes testing an all-black Axis1 putter – 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Tony Finau's new driver shaft – 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
       
       
       
       
       
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    • 2024 Valspar Championship WITB Photos (Thanks to bvmagic)- Discussion & Links to Photos
      This weeks WITB Pics are from member bvmagic (Brian). Brian's first event for WRX was in 2008 at Bayhill while in college. Thanks so much bv.
       
      Please put your comments or question on this thread. Links to all the threads are below...
       
       
       
       
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    • 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational - Discussion and Links to Photos
      Please put any questions or comments here
       
       
       
      General Albums
       
      2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational - Monday #1
      2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational - Monday #2
      2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational - Monday #3
       
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
      Matt (LFG) Every - WITB - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
      Sahith Theegala - WITB - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
       
       
       
       
       
      Pullout Albums
       
      New Cameron putters (and new "LD" grip) - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
      New Bettinardi MB & CB irons - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
      Custom Bettinardi API putter cover - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
      Custom Swag API covers - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
      New Golf Pride Reverse Taper grips - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
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    • 2024 Cognizant Classic - Discussion and Links to Photos
      Please put any questions or comments here
       
       
       
       
      General Albums
       
      2024 Cognizant Classic - Monday #1
      2024 Cognizant Classic - Monday #2
      2024 Cognizant Classic - Monday #3
      2024 Cognizant Classic - Monday #4
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
      Brandt Snedeker - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Max Greyserman - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Eric Cole - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Carl Yuan - WITb - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Russell Henley - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Justin Sun - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Alex Noren - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Shane Lowry - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Taylor Montgomery - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Jake Knapp (KnappTime_ltd) - WITB - - 2024 Cognizant Classic
       
       
       
      Pullout Albums
       
      New Super Stoke Pistol Lock 1.0 & 2.0 grips - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      LA Golf new insert putter - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      New Garsen Quad Tour 15 grip - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      New Swag covers - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Jacob Bridgeman's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Bud Cauley's custom Cameron putters - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Ryo Hisatsune's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Chris Kirk - new black Callaway Apex CB irons and a few Odyssey putters - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Alejandro Tosti's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Cognizant Classic
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
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    • 2024 Genesis Invitational - Discussion and Links to Photos
      Please put any questions or comments here
       
       
       
      General Albums
       
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Monday #1
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Monday #2
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Tuesday #1
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Tuesday #2
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Tuesday #3
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Tuesday #4
       
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
      Rory McIlroy - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Sepp Straka - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Patrick Rodgers - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Brendon Todd - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Denny McCarthy - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Corey Conners - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Chase Johnson - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tommy Fleetwood - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Matt Fitzpatrick - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Si Woo Kim - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Viktor Hovland - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Wyndham Clark - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Cam Davis - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Nick Taylor - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Ben Baller WITB update (New putter, driver, hybrid and shafts) – 2024 Genesis Invitational
       
       
       
       
       
      Pullout Albums
       
      New Vortex Golf rangefinder - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      New Fujikura Ventus shaft - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods & TaylorMade "Sun Day Red" apparel launch event, product photos – 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods Sun Day Red golf shoes - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Aretera shafts - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      New Toulon putters - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods' new white "Sun Day Red" golf shoe prototypes – 2024 Genesis Invitational
       
       
       
       
       
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