How do you feel about "long putter's"...?

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  • PreppySlapCutPreppySlapCut This is just babytown frolics... Members Posts: 6,372 ✭✭
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  • IVMIVM Posts: 454 ✭✭
    Long putters are fine as long as you do not anchor them or attach them to your body . I have more of a problem with the Matt Kuchar armlock style which is definitely anchoring that should be banned.
  • KING246KING246 Posts: 282 ✭✭
    Your putter should be the shortest club in the bag IMO.
  • MudguardMudguard Members Posts: 1,256 ✭✭
    KING246 wrote:


    Your putter should be the shortest club in the bag IMO.


    Except you can putt with any club.
  • bluedotbluedot Members Posts: 3,355 ✭✭
    KING246 wrote:


    Your putter should be the shortest club in the bag IMO.




    And your logic for this would be what exactly?
  • NevinWNevinW Las VegasClubWRX Posts: 1,111 ClubWRX
    I just bought one off of Ebay. I'm going to give it a try. I don't believe Langer is anchoring and it has most certainly helped his yips. Can't hurt trying.
  • bluedotbluedot Members Posts: 3,355 ✭✭
    IVM wrote:


    Long putters are fine as long as you do not anchor them or attach them to your body . I have more of a problem with the Matt Kuchar armlock style which is definitely anchoring that should be banned.




    What you are actually pointing out here is the complete lack of logic and consistency in the USGA anchoring ban. They banned ONE type of anchoring, and with absolutely no data to back it up. Golfers have been anchoring their elbows to their sides, their forearms to their chests, and so on, as long as the game has been played. Now the USGA has decided that a hand on the chest is the Great Satan?



    As to the Kuchar style, he's putting the way that many, many players chip the ball, except with a longer shaft that runs up his left arm to help him keep his wrists locked. But you could putt or chip that way choked down with ANY club, right? And for that matter, left hand low putting is a version of the same idea; putting with the left arm down the shaft so that the wrists don't break down during the stroke. I think the problem with trying to ban that style is that you'd have to write a rule that prevented part of the club touching the arm above the wrist before or during the stroke, and how in the world would you write or enforce that? More to the point, why would you want to?
  • bluedotbluedot Members Posts: 3,355 ✭✭
    NevinW wrote:


    I just bought one off of Ebay. I'm going to give it a try. I don't believe Langer is anchoring and it has most certainly helped his yips. Can't hurt trying.




    Want to really help yourself without getting into any issues of anchoring? Take the long putter and turn around and face the hole; putt side saddle. There is no yipping when you putt one-handed. Give it six months and you'll never putt conventionally again
  • gomuskies09gomuskies09 Members Posts: 73 ✭✭
    Impeccable timing coming across this thread — played in a qualifier with a guy on Wednesday who used a long putter (non anchored). He rolled the ball beautifully all day.



    I have been so frustrated with my putting over the last few years. Have tried almost every grip and putter style and have worked on it but not seeing any results.



    After watching him I am intrigued. I have tried the belly putter before it was banned and the Kuchar style prior to that. Has anyone switched to the long putter post-anchoring ban? Or is there really no “advantage” now (assuming there was before) that you can’t anchor it. Am I being crazy and irrational by thinking of giving it a shot?
  • bluedotbluedot Members Posts: 3,355 ✭✭


    Impeccable timing coming across this thread — played in a qualifier with a guy on Wednesday who used a long putter (non anchored). He rolled the ball beautifully all day.



    I have been so frustrated with my putting over the last few years. Have tried almost every grip and putter style and have worked on it but not seeing any results.



    After watching him I am intrigued. I have tried the belly putter before it was banned and the Kuchar style prior to that. Has anyone switched to the long putter post-anchoring ban? Or is there really no “advantage” now (assuming there was before) that you can’t anchor it. Am I being crazy and irrational by thinking of giving it a shot?




    Disclaimer: I have never used a long putter while standing parallel to the line of play, either before or after the anchoring ban. I converted to side saddle putting a little over three years ago, and use a 44" putter especially designed for that purpose.



    With that out the way, the answer to your question is yes, there IS an advantage, with or without anchoring, and that is rolling the ball with one hand instead of two.



    Here's why I say this: In all of sports, there is not another "precision" motion performed with two hands while standing parallel to the line of play, not one. That position is designed to create power thru speed thru torque and weight shift, and turning all of that off and trying to coordinate two hands into a small precise movement is just tough. If you walked out on the green without a club and wanted to roll a golf ball to a particular hole, you'd do it one handed, not sling it sideways with two hands. We shoot a basketball with one hand, not two. We throw darts that way, we bowl that way, we throw paper in the trashcan that way, and so on.



    Think of a batter who gets the bunt sign; from a two-handed position parallel to the line of play, he squares and slides his top hand up the bat. The bottom hand becomes a fulcrum, the top hand bunts the ball. Now think of somebody shooting free throws; the "off" hand steadies the ball, the dominant hand performs the motion. Flip the plane, and you have someone putting a golf ball with one hand.



    I won't even get into the benefits of facing the hole; binocular vision and no worries about head movement, sliding, etc. But in any case, I think rolling a ball with one hand is just biomechanically more sound.
  • rockinarrockinar Posts: 2,150 ✭✭
    I typically play a mid length counter balanced putter, but do have a broomstick I play on occasion. They are no magic bullet and not as easy as Berhard Langer makes it look. Like short putters you kinda have to putter **** them a bit too to find one you like.
  • tareatingrattareatingrat Posts: 146 ✭✭
    Still gotta make the putts.



    Putting is too subjective. I couldn't hit a putt with a long putter, anchored or not, to save my life.



    If everyone is allowed to do it, how is it an advantage if somebody anchors?



    Just use your style and putt better.
  • kenstlkenstl Members Posts: 422 ✭✭
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    I use a long putter, probably one of the strangest looking (some would call it ugly) putters that have been sold. It is basically a 42" arm lock putter used with a slightly open stance. I have had a lot of guys this year ask to try it out seeing me putt with it. Many have tried it with immediate success on a few putts, but then say, I just couldn't use a putter that looks like that! Me, I could care less about the looks, I just like making putts.



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  • 118811118811 Posts: 161 ✭✭
    The PGA should have banned the long putter before Mediate's win in 1991.

    The putter should be held like the other 13 clubs in your bag. Hands together, not split. Also, no anchoring on forearms.

    Jmho

  • FBDomFBDom Members Posts: 1,061 ✭✭
    bluedot wrote:



    Impeccable timing coming across this thread — played in a qualifier with a guy on Wednesday who used a long putter (non anchored). He rolled the ball beautifully all day.



    I have been so frustrated with my putting over the last few years. Have tried almost every grip and putter style and have worked on it but not seeing any results.



    After watching him I am intrigued. I have tried the belly putter before it was banned and the Kuchar style prior to that. Has anyone switched to the long putter post-anchoring ban? Or is there really no “advantage” now (assuming there was before) that you can’t anchor it. Am I being crazy and irrational by thinking of giving it a shot?




    Disclaimer: I have never used a long putter while standing parallel to the line of play, either before or after the anchoring ban. I converted to side saddle putting a little over three years ago, and use a 44" putter especially designed for that purpose.



    With that out the way, the answer to your question is yes, there IS an advantage, with or without anchoring, and that is rolling the ball with one hand instead of two.



    Here's why I say this: In all of sports, there is not another "precision" motion performed with two hands while standing parallel to the line of play, not one. That position is designed to create power thru speed thru torque and weight shift, and turning all of that off and trying to coordinate two hands into a small precise movement is just tough. If you walked out on the green without a club and wanted to roll a golf ball to a particular hole, you'd do it one handed, not sling it sideways with two hands. We shoot a basketball with one hand, not two. We throw darts that way, we bowl that way, we throw paper in the trashcan that way, and so on.



    Think of a batter who gets the bunt sign; from a two-handed position parallel to the line of play, he squares and slides his top hand up the bat. The bottom hand becomes a fulcrum, the top hand bunts the ball. Now think of somebody shooting free throws; the "off" hand steadies the ball, the dominant hand performs the motion. Flip the plane, and you have someone putting a golf ball with one hand.



    I won't even get into the benefits of facing the hole; binocular vision and no worries about head movement, sliding, etc. But in any case, I think rolling a ball with one hand is just biomechanically more sound.


    I bowl with two hands.



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  • golf9596golf9596 Members Posts: 2,076 ✭✭
    I have the yips, so I’ve used the long putter for years. I will rotate between that and a standard length putter to keep the yips at bay. The long putter isn’t a cure, but for me it helps.
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  • bluedotbluedot Members Posts: 3,355 ✭✭
    118811 wrote:


    The PGA should have banned the long putter before Mediate's win in 1991.

    The putter should be held like the other 13 clubs in your bag. Hands together, not split. Also, no anchoring on forearms.

    Jmho




    You're talking about three different things here. Banning the long putter is one, no split grip is another, and no anchoring on forearms is a third.



    We could argue about the first one, since putters have no limit on length, but I have NO idea how you'd ever write or enforce the other two. Is a baseball grip a split grip? Is left hand low a split grip? If I choke down to the steel to chip and the top of the grip is touching above my wrist at impact, is that anchoring? There are only a zillion players who play full shots with their upper arms touching their chest; why do you exempt THAT form or anchoring?



    The USGA has a long history of making rules without good science behind them. In the case of the anchoring ban, they went one step farther for the first time, and legislated a grip, which they had never done before. And they did it poorly.
  • FourTopsFourTops Banned Posts: 1,676 ✭✭
    I ran this question by my wife and her golfing friends. The answers didn't even remotely relate to the intent of the question.
  • IvyguyIvyguy Members Posts: 1,407 ✭✭
    I feel like the putter should not be the longest club in the bag, if you wanted to make a rule about them.



    Each took has its advantages and disadvantages. Long putters are at their strongest within 10 feet or so, but are tougher to use as the length gets further.
  • kenstlkenstl Members Posts: 422 ✭✭
    bluedot wrote:

    118811 wrote:


    The PGA should have banned the long putter before Mediate's win in 1991.

    The putter should be held like the other 13 clubs in your bag. Hands together, not split. Also, no anchoring on forearms.

    Jmho




    You're talking about three different things here. Banning the long putter is one, no split grip is another, and no anchoring on forearms is a third.



    We could argue about the first one, since putters have no limit on length, but I have NO idea how you'd ever write or enforce the other two. Is a baseball grip a split grip? Is left hand low a split grip? If I choke down to the steel to chip and the top of the grip is touching above my wrist at impact, is that anchoring? There are only a zillion players who play full shots with their upper arms touching their chest; why do you exempt THAT form or anchoring?



    The USGA has a long history of making rules without good science behind them. In the case of the anchoring ban, they went one step farther for the first time, and legislated a grip, which they had never done before. And they did it poorly.




    I don't like that they banned the anchoring at all, seemed odd that they waited so long to do so. If it was such an advantage for everyone, everyone would have been doing it if they could win more $$. Nobody controls how you swing the club, not sure why they would try to control how anyone putts as long as you are standing and beside the ball (vs shooting pool lol).
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  • gunmetalgunmetal Members Posts: 1,817 ✭✭
    Hated the anchoring. Currently hate the long putter because we’re still having to hear arguments over whether there’s a quarter of an inch between the putter and the body. It’s unfortunate that the USGA tried to split the difference instead of just banning the putter itself; it would have been cleaner and the arguments would have been long over. When’s the last time you heard a complaint about the groove rule?



    I understand terrible putting and how it sucks the fun out of the game, I just went left handed in an attempt to fix my own issues, but I don’t think the broomsticks are within the spirit of the game.
    What is the spirit of the game and how does it relate to the rules of golf?
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