Why is my swing so flat?

[j8979]

Recently I’ve been getting a lot of pushes/slices because I’m coming over the top on my downswing as a result if being so flat at the top.

 

Anyone have any ideas as to why it’s so flat? I have been working on getting more wrist hinge in the backswing but so far nothing is working.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIefNsEtzSg

 

 

 

[airjammer]

Very little hip turn in your backswing causes you to have very little depth at the top. 

[glk]

https://golfsmartacademy.com/golf-instruction/pronation-during-setting/

( can watch first 45 sec w/o membership and Tyler pretty much demos what you are doing then - can also take a free 7 day trial)

 

Need to pronate your right forearm.  Needs to start pronating at about shaft parallel in backswing.

arms work away in takeaway too - more in and up.

[MonteScheinblum]

No vertical wrist hinge.

[Coy M]

j8979 said:

Recently I’ve been getting a lot of pushes/slices because I’m coming over the top on my downswing as a result if being so flat at the top.

 

Anyone have any ideas as to why it’s so flat? I have been working on getting more wrist hinge in the backswing but so far nothing is working.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIefNsEtzSg

 

 

I suggest buying a swingyde training aid. Like you I used to have little to no vertical wrist hinge on my back swing. Using the swingyde helped me feel what vertical hinge felt like in the back swing. 

[Juan73]

In looking at your swing in stages, your backswing is fine until the last few frames.  You lower your arms and get under your plane as you near the top of your swing.  To easily notice this, draw a line up your shaft and you will see as you get to the top,  you stop turning your body, and your arms come down quite a bit, before you even start your downswing.  So you are losing some of your verticality and ending up with a more Flat Backswing than you started with.

[j8979]

glk said:

https://golfsmartacademy.com/golf-instruction/pronation-during-setting/

( can watch first 45 sec w/o membership and Tyler pretty much demos what you are doing then - can also take a free 7 day trial)

 

Need to pronate your right forearm.  Needs to start pronating at about shaft parallel in backswing.

arms work away in takeaway too - more in and up.

Theres no sound on that video. What do you mean by pronating the right forearm? Does that mean i need the right palm facing towards the sky in the backswing?

[MountainGoat]

You're certainly not coming over the top on the downswing.  Quite the opposite, in fact.  You're pretty much the poster boy for "shallowing the shaft", and you're suffering the adverse consequences of that.  You're so shallow, you're probably 10 degrees toe-up at impact.  

[glk]

With arm out stretched, thumb up, rotate your forearm so hand is palm down - pronation.    Supination is palm up.

In the backswing, the trail forearm pronates about 40*.    The palm will be facing the sky due to extending (bending back) the wrist.

Pronation is what sets the club in the classic pointing down the line position at the top without it (or little of it) the club will be more laid off.

 

Appears Tyler has disabled audio on video from his pay site - he used to have audio/video for 45 sec for his pay site videos - as I mentioned you can take a free 7 day trial and see the video and hundreds of others that he has on his site - organized by swing phase (setup, backswing, etc), and type (drill, concept, beginner, etc).     Or consider buying his book, the stock tour swing.

The other point is that you push your arms away from you in the takeaway - causes a disconnection of the arms - arms work in then up - and stay close to the body - good drill (for this as well as other things)  https://www.instagram.com/p/Bhe5iCyFZko/

Get that stick to point closer to your toes than the ball, and keep it touching your side until shaft parallel then slide it down your left leg.

[NikeGolferTX]

MountainGoat said:

You're certainly not coming over the top on the downswing.  Quite the opposite, in fact.  You're pretty much the poster boy for "shallowing the shaft", and you're suffering the adverse consequences of that.  You're so shallow, you're probably 10 degrees toe-up at impact.  

Actually he is making a steepening move and over the top if you watch it in slow motion.

The right shoulder is internally rotating.

[wmblake2000]

This is an interesting case study. To my eye, the bs looks good enough. It’s the transition that’s odd looking, where op gets under plane as arms drop and then steep. 

 

But how does this create push/slice? Push: in to out path, open face. (Assumed) push slice: same face, more left path. My guess is he’s pulling the handle down instead of ulnar deviation (where the hinge (flexion/extension) is how ‘lag’ is created) and this throws the plane outside. You can see hands drop as shaft steepens. 

 

So if my armchair analysis holds any water, fix is relearning how to shallow with wrists instead of arms at top. This will close the face and allow a more consistent path. I was also guessing there’d be some early extension but I don’t see much or any.

 

 

 

[dasams]

Watching frame by frame (using the , and . keys) I see EE starting one frame before impact.  The horizontal rail is a good reference point. 

[glk]

NikeGolferTX said:

MountainGoat said:

You're certainly not coming over the top on the downswing.  Quite the opposite, in fact.  You're pretty much the poster boy for "shallowing the shaft", and you're suffering the adverse consequences of that.  You're so shallow, you're probably 10 degrees toe-up at impact.  

Actually he is making a steepening move and over the top if you watch it in slow motion.

The right shoulder is internally rotating.

Yes his pattern is shallow to steep versus steep to shallow. He tips the shaft vertical in transition via the noted right arm external.    The stick drill I gave him would work to correct this. 

[NikeGolferTX]

glk said:

NikeGolferTX said:

MountainGoat said:

You're certainly not coming over the top on the downswing.  Quite the opposite, in fact.  You're pretty much the poster boy for "shallowing the shaft", and you're suffering the adverse consequences of that.  You're so shallow, you're probably 10 degrees toe-up at impact.  

Actually he is making a steepening move and over the top if you watch it in slow motion.

The right shoulder is internally rotating.

Yes his pattern is shallow to steep versus steep to shallow. He tips the shaft vertical in transition via the noted right arm external.    The stick drill I gave him would work to correct this. Yep.

Keeping the COM behind you feels like you're getting ready to throw a baseball submarine style. That drill will help!

[kleydejong]

Towards the top there appears to be some shallowing movement, but almost too soon.  Then you set the lower body and transition down.  In that moment you steepen.  Seems like a bit of a misapplication of attempting to shallow.  I know I did a similar thing when I first attempted to shallow a bit more.  I'd drop my hands back and behind, but its the shaft that needs to shallow.  Right elbow drives in front keeping the hands in front while the clubhead drops. 

 

[gsea33]

MonteScheinblum said:

No vertical wrist hinge.

Dead on. Put ur butt against a wall and practice ur back swing keep the club in front of you. Thats all there is to it.

[mikpga]

 

A lot of great things here!  Would require some subtle tinkering...

 

 

 

[smdykas]

gsea33 said:

MonteScheinblum said:

No vertical wrist hinge.

Dead on. Put ur butt against a wall and practice ur back swing keep the club in front of you. Thats all there is to it.is that a feel or real?

Would you be able to use your normal swing if you had your butt against a wall? because if that is the case, I have a lot of work to do!

[wmblake2000]

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> A lot of great things here!  Would require some subtle tinkering...

 

Well that was illuminating to see. Lot to appreciate in that swing, to be sure.

 

So why is that swing producing pushes and slices?