Another pin in ?

[Wizzo1]

What happens if your ball gets stuck between the hole and the pin and doesn't drop on its own?

[Colin L]

If any part of the ball is below the surface of the green, your ball is holed. Rule 13.2c

If your ball is resting against the flagstick but no part of it is below the surface of the green it is not holed. If you move it when you take the flagstick out there is no penalty and you must replace your ball on the lip of the hole even the ball dropped into the hole.

[LeoLeo99]

> @"Colin L" said:

> If any part of the ball is below the surface of the green, your ball is holed. Rule 13.2c

> If your ball is resting against the flagstick but no part of it is below the surface of the green it is not holed. If you move it when you take the flagstick out there is no penalty and you must replace your ball on the lip of the hole even the ball dropped into the hole.

 

I thought I knew the rule but apparently, I do not. I thought the rule was if the is wedged between the stick and hole and you wiggled the flagstick and the ball goes in the hole, it's holed.

[davep043]

> @LeoLeo99 said:

> > @"Colin L" said:

> > If any part of the ball is below the surface of the green, your ball is holed. Rule 13.2c

> > If your ball is resting against the flagstick but no part of it is below the surface of the green it is not holed. If you move it when you take the flagstick out there is no penalty and you must replace your ball on the lip of the hole even the ball dropped into the hole.

>

> I thought I knew the rule but apparently, I do not. I thought the rule was if the is wedged between the stick and hole and you wiggled the flagstick and the ball goes in the hole, it's holed.

 

that was the old rule, this was one that changed this year

 

[rogolf]

To be correct - if part of the ball is below the surface of the putting green AND resting against the flagstick, then it is holed. If both of these conditions are not met, it is not holed.

[nsxguy]

> @rogolf said:

> To be correct - if part of the ball is below the surface of the putting green AND resting against the flagstick, then it is holed. If both of these conditions are not met, it is not holed.

 

I'm struggling to think of how the ball could be within the circumference of the hole and NOT be resting against the flagstick (assuming the flagstick is IN the hole LOL).

[LeoLeo99]

> @davep043 said:

> > @LeoLeo99 said:

> > > @"Colin L" said:

> > > If any part of the ball is below the surface of the green, your ball is holed. Rule 13.2c

> > > If your ball is resting against the flagstick but no part of it is below the surface of the green it is not holed. If you move it when you take the flagstick out there is no penalty and you must replace your ball on the lip of the hole even the ball dropped into the hole.

> >

> > I thought I knew the rule but apparently, I do not. I thought the rule was if the is wedged between the stick and hole and you wiggled the flagstick and the ball goes in the hole, it's holed.

>

> that was the old rule, this was one that changed this year

>

 

Thanks. I'm glad that was the old rule or else I've been doing it wrong for many years.

[HitEmTrue]

> @nsxguy said:

> > @rogolf said:

> > To be correct - if part of the ball is below the surface of the putting green AND resting against the flagstick, then it is holed. If both of these conditions are not met, it is not holed.

>

> I'm struggling to think of how the ball could be within the circumference of the hole and NOT be resting against the flagstick (assuming the flagstick is IN the hole LOL).

 

He didn’t say within the circumference of the hole.

[nsxguy]

> @HitEmTrue said:

> > @nsxguy said:

> > > @rogolf said:

> > > To be correct - if part of the ball is below the surface of the putting green AND resting against the flagstick, then it is holed. If both of these conditions are not met, it is not holed.

> >

> > I'm struggling to think of how the ball could be within the circumference of the hole and NOT be resting against the flagstick (assuming the flagstick is IN the hole LOL).

>

> He didn’t say within the circumference of the hole.

 

Well then, I guess now I don't understand how it could be "below the surface of the putting green and still be resting against the flagstick" and be holed without being within the circumference of the hole..........

[Socrates]

> @"Colin L" said:

> If any part of the ball is below the surface of the green, your ball is holed. Rule 13.2c

> If your ball is resting against the flagstick but no part of it is below the surface of the green it is not holed. If you move it when you take the flagstick out there is no penalty and you must replace your ball on the lip of the hole even the ball dropped into the hole

 

I think it would be physically impossible to be resting against the flagstick and have no part of it below the surface of the green.

 

Edit. NSX posted while I was typing.

 

[HitEmTrue]

> @nsxguy said:

> > @HitEmTrue said:

> > > @nsxguy said:

> > > > @rogolf said:

> > > > To be correct - if part of the ball is below the surface of the putting green AND resting against the flagstick, then it is holed. If both of these conditions are not met, it is not holed.

> > >

> > > I'm struggling to think of how the ball could be within the circumference of the hole and NOT be resting against the flagstick (assuming the flagstick is IN the hole LOL).

> >

> > He didn’t say within the circumference of the hole.

>

> Well then, I guess now I don't understand how it could be "below the surface of the putting green and still be resting against the flagstick" and be holed without being within the circumference of the hole..........

 

If it’s partially below the surface is the putting green, and NOT resting against the flagstick, it is embedded in the side of the hole. Not holed?

 

[HitEmTrue]

> @Socrates said:

> > @"Colin L" said:

> > If any part of the ball is below the surface of the green, your ball is holed. Rule 13.2c

> > If your ball is resting against the flagstick but no part of it is below the surface of the green it is not holed. If you move it when you take the flagstick out there is no penalty and you must replace your ball on the lip of the hole even the ball dropped into the hole

>

> I think it would be physically impossible to be resting against the flagstick and have no part of it below the surface of the green.

>

> Edit. NSX posted while I was typing.

>

 

Flagstick not centered in hole. Wind blowing it to the side.

[nsxguy]

> @HitEmTrue said:

> > @nsxguy said:

> > > @HitEmTrue said:

> > > > @nsxguy said:

> > > > > @rogolf said:

> > > > > To be correct - if part of the ball is below the surface of the putting green AND resting against the flagstick, then it is holed. If both of these conditions are not met, it is not holed.

> > > >

> > > > I'm struggling to think of how the ball could be within the circumference of the hole and NOT be resting against the flagstick (assuming the flagstick is IN the hole LOL).

> > >

> > > He didn’t say within the circumference of the hole.

> >

> > Well then, I guess now I don't understand how it could be "below the surface of the putting green and still be resting against the flagstick" and be holed without being within the circumference of the hole..........

>

> If it’s partially below the surface is the putting green, and NOT resting against the flagstick, it is embedded in the side of the hole. Not holed.

>

 

Why didn't you just say that in the first place ? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[HitEmTrue]

> @nsxguy said:

> > @HitEmTrue said:

> > > @nsxguy said:

> > > > @HitEmTrue said:

> > > > > @nsxguy said:

> > > > > > @rogolf said:

> > > > > > To be correct - if part of the ball is below the surface of the putting green AND resting against the flagstick, then it is holed. If both of these conditions are not met, it is not holed.

> > > > >

> > > > > I'm struggling to think of how the ball could be within the circumference of the hole and NOT be resting against the flagstick (assuming the flagstick is IN the hole LOL).

> > > >

> > > > He didn’t say within the circumference of the hole.

> > >

> > > Well then, I guess now I don't understand how it could be "below the surface of the putting green and still be resting against the flagstick" and be holed without being within the circumference of the hole..........

> >

> > If it’s partially below the surface is the putting green, and NOT resting against the flagstick, it is embedded in the side of the hole. Not holed.

> >

>

> Why didn't you just say that in the first place ? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>

 

Something distracted me! :)

 

[Mr. Bean]

> @nsxguy said:

> > @rogolf said:

> > To be correct - if part of the ball is below the surface of the putting green AND resting against the flagstick, then it is holed. If both of these conditions are not met, it is not holed.

>

> I'm struggling to think of how the ball could be within the circumference of the hole and NOT be resting against the flagstick (assuming the flagstick is IN the hole LOL).

 

The ball could be resting against something else, something that is not normally in/on the hole and should not be there. A rare occasion but possible. In fact, there was a thread years ago possibly on this forum how to Rule if a ball is resting on top of a large leaf on top of the hole. Also I vaguely remember a case where the flag was detached from the flagstick and fell onto the hole and a ball ended up lying on top of the flag.

 

Golf is a game in which even against all odds may be plausible...