Wide sole players irons

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I never got along well with GI irons...always played better with a smaller CB with narrow sole & less offset. My new golf course in LA has Bermuda fairways which are pretty firm and grabby. I’m more of a digger, but it’s now almost impossible to take a proper dollar bill shaped divot...it’s too hard to get though the turf. End result I’m hitting more shots slightly heavy, leading edge digs a bit. Wrists and elbows starting to ache. I’m looking for suggestions on smallish low offset players irons with a wider GI type sole which will help prevent against digging. (I know I need to work on lowering angle of attack but in the meantime I want new irons.) Currently playing Adams cmb forged. Thx

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  • cardoustiecardoustie haha, we don't play for 5's Tasmania to CanadaMembers  13787WRX Points: 2,627Handicap: 0.9 >< 3.8Posts: 13,787 Titanium Tees
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    Ping rapture J
    Titleist t-mb

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    Ping G400 3w 13.5* Blueboard OG 63x
    Ping G400 5w 16.5* Blueboard Ion 73x
    Callaway Apex 4h 23* GD Tour AD DI 95x
    Callaway Apex 5h 26* GD Tour AD DI 105x
    Ping Blueprint 6 - PW UST Recoil 110
    Vokey SM2 50-54tvd-59tvd DG s400 onyx
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  • MitchellMitchell Members  5681WRX Points: 530Posts: 5,681 Titanium Tees
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    Callaway Legacy Black ala Stenson, 2013 X Forged, or Bridgestone Dual Pocket Cavity should be very viable ootions

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    Titleist 917f2 16.5* (c2 surefit) Motore Speeder 8.1s
    Titleist 819h1 19* (a2 surefit) Motore Speeder hb 8.8s
    Titleist 962b 3-pw s300
    Vokey sm8 raw S 54* s300
    Vokey sm8 raw M 60* s300
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  • BottleCapBottleCap Members  1498WRX Points: 254Posts: 1,498 Platinum Tees
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    If you look at the sole of a Titleist CB vs MB, the CB is much wider.

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    Titleist 917 F3 GD TourAD IZ 8S
    Mizuno MP 69 3-PW DG S400
    Vokey SM7 54S and 60M
    Cameron Newport 2 CT
    Bridgestone Tour B XS
  • IvyguyIvyguy Members  1638WRX Points: 281Posts: 1,638 Platinum Tees
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    Might look into Hogan or srixon bats. The v sole helps with that.

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  • Phil MajorPhil Major Members  138WRX Points: 52Handicap: 17Posts: 138 Fairways
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    Try i200 or i210 Power Spec. Mine works very well in AZ.

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    Callaway Epic 3 Wood 16* Fujikura Pro 2.0 5 S
    ​Callaway Rogue Hybrid 19* Recoil Mamiya 780 ES F4
    Callaway Steelhead XR Hybrid 22* Recoil Mamiya 460 F4
    Callaway Rogue Pro 6 - P XP 95 S
    Ping Glide 3.0 49*, 54*, 59*  Ping Z-Z115 Wedge
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    All of these mentioned plus the Bridgestone J15CB or the Tour B X-CB. Bridgestone likes to put a wider sole even with thin toplines. Great irons.

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    Ping G30 SFT driver, 10 degree, Oban Kiyoshi HB 75 stiff
    Cobra F9 Speedback, 14.5 degree, Fujikura Atmos Blue 7S
    Callaway Epic Flash, 17 degree, HzRDUS Smoke 70 stiff
    Callaway Rogue, 21 degree, Diamana BF 80 stiff
    TaylorMade GAPR Hi 24, KBS TGI 80 stiff

    Srixon z765 (5-7(, z965 (8-P) Fujikura 95i TS stiff
    Callaway MD4 50 S grind, 54 W grind
    Ben Hogan Ft. Worth TK 58
    Odyssey Stroke Lab V-Line putter w/Pure grip
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  • Nixhex524Nixhex524 ClubWRX  4761WRX Points: 520Handicap: 4Posts: 4,761 ClubWRX
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    The J15 CB are almost exactly what you are describing and have a beveled leading edge to help with turf interaction. I have had mine in play for 4 rounds now and when I first saw them and their "fat" soles, I was skeptical, but they are true performers if you can find a set. You can also check out something like the i20/25/200/210... I have had all of those but the 210 and they were pretty good, not great. Srixon has nice options, too.... 5x5 will have wider soles and the 7x5 series will be a little more narrow but a very nice compact players iron with GI help.

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    Taylormade M2 '17 10.5*
    Titleist 917f2 16.5* 
    Titleist 915h 21* 
    Srixon Z745 4-P
    Titleist Vokey SM5 50, SM7 56
    Odyssey WHP 7 34"
    Srixon Z85 stand bag
  • Ripper859Ripper859 Northern Kentucky / CincinnatiMembers  106WRX Points: 54Handicap: 10Posts: 106 Fairways
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    I210 or Jpx 919 Hot Metal Pro.

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  • MadGolfer76MadGolfer76 MaineMembers  20334WRX Points: 903Posts: 20,334 Titanium Tees
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    Doesn't sound like you really are looking for a wider sole, but rather more bounce?

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  • JanKo JanKo - K A Y M E R - Members  2227WRX Points: 117Posts: 2,227 Platinum Tees
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    The Srixon Z-Series has a really nice leading edge grind which prevents digging.
    You can get a smaller 7-series irons or the larger 5-series. They are really really good irons.

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    Bridgestones will serve you well. Great iron in the rain too

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    J15 CBs or Stenson Legacy Blacks

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    TaylorMade Sim Max Rescue 19° w/ HZRDUS Red 105 6.5
    Yonex Ezone CB-301 3-9 w/ Nippon Modus 125X
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    I was playing cmb and am playing p790.

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    Titleist                   TS2 16.5 Wood w/HZRDUS Smoke 70 6.0
    Ping                       G410 19 Hybrid w/Tensei Blue 80 stiff
    Titleist                   818 H2 23 Hybrid w/Tensei Blue 80 stiff
    Mizuno                  MP-32 5-P Iron set w/DG S300
    Ping                       Glide 2.0 52/56/60 Wedges w/AWT 2.0
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  • TigerInTheWoodsTigerInTheWoods Members  2576WRX Points: 1,633Handicap: 5Posts: 2,576 Titanium Tees
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    I'd suggest Ping i200/i210/i e1. Easily the best looking/performing/feeling "players" club with a wide sold and forgiveness.

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    On -, @balls_deep said:

    I'd suggest Ping i200/i210/i e1. Easily the best looking/performing/feeling "players" club with a wide sold and forgiveness.

    i200 is a Game Improvement club

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    Titleist 917 F3 GD TourAD IZ 8S
    Mizuno MP 69 3-PW DG S400
    Vokey SM7 54S and 60M
    Cameron Newport 2 CT
    Bridgestone Tour B XS
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    On -, @JanKo said:

    The Srixon Z-Series has a really nice leading edge grind which prevents digging.
    You can get a smaller 7-series irons or the larger 5-series. They are really really good irons.

    This....

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    Srixon Z585 5 iron Recoil 95 F5
    Srixon Z785 6-PW Recoil 95 F5
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    Callaway MD 4 54/10 S Modus 3 115 W
    Ping Eye 2 SW 57.5 ZZ lite
    Original Ping B60, White Hot 2 ball blade, Never Compromise Dinero Baron,  or Cleveland BRZ 2
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    On -, @BottleCap said:

    On -, @balls_deep said:

    I'd suggest Ping i200/i210/i e1. Easily the best looking/performing/feeling "players" club with a wide sold and forgiveness.

    i200 is a Game Improvement club

    Sorry my friend. i200/i210 are classified as a compact cavity back players iron.

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    4W: PING G410 16.5* Diamana D+ Limited 70
    4HY: PING G410 21* Accra FX 300H
    Irons: PING G410 5-UW Project X LZ 120
    Wedges: CBX2 54/12/Full Face 58/10 DG 115
    Putter: Bettinardi QB6 Carbon Limited
    Ball: Titleist ProV1x #12
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    On -, @balls_deep said:

    I'd suggest Ping i200/i210/i e1. Easily the best looking/performing/feeling "players" club with a wide sold and forgiveness.

    Another vote here.

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    3 Wood Ping Rapture 13.5 Ping TFC 949 Stiff
    5 Wood Ping G410 SFT 18 Fujikura Atmos Tour Black 7S
    Hybrid Ping G410 22 Ping Tour 85 Stiff 
    Irons Ping G10 4-PW Ping AWT Stiff
    Wedges Ping Glide 2.0 Stealth SS 54/12 AWT Wedge, Ping Glide 2.0 Stealth TS 60/06 AWT Wedge
    Bobby Grace A** Kicker Putter 37" SS Plus XL Counter Balanced
    Ball  Bridgestone B330 or Titleist ProV1
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    another vote for any of j15cb, srixon 7 series and ping i200/210.

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  • nostaticnostatic "i drank what?!?" Socrates lost angelesClubWRX  201WRX Points: 171Posts: 201 ClubWRX
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    i210 is pretty well-behaved unless I make a really bad (fat) swing. Bonus elbow/wrist points for a graphite shaft.

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    Mizuno 919 Hot Metal Pro 4-PW - 919F GW - S18 55/09 PX LZ Tour 6.0 - Ping Glide2.0 Stealth 58TS
    Odyssey StrokeLab Double Wide Flow
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    J15cb. Epon 503. Have em both. Same sole design

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    Callaway epic flash 3w tensei pro white 7x
    Taylormade Sim hybrid 3. Tensei pro white 90tx 
    Grindworks CB1 4 iron modus 120x 
    Bridgestone j15cb 5-pw modus 120x
    Artisan 48° 53.5° 59° modus 120s
    Epon i33 rose gold putter
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  • sgersten19sgersten19 Members  28WRX Points: 20Posts: 28 Bunkers
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    I am in a similar situation. Started playing in NY and got use to being pretty steep. Moved to Georgia with Bermuda grass and was getting elbow pain with Titleist CB's. Been trying ping iblades with more bounce and it has really helped.

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    great stuff boys thank you!

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  • dmeeksDCdmeeksDC ClubWRX  2976WRX Points: 477Handicap: 7.6Posts: 2,976 ClubWRX
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    Enjoying this thread. Have played a bunch of the irons listed. They all have different bounce angles and the sole width additionally affects how the bounce ‘plays’ as well, with wider equating to more. Add it all up and the turf interaction can be very different between models. For me, that is where the choice gets made based on personal fit. I find I like the Bridgestone J15CB soles the most (surprised myself how much I like them off fluffy or tight lies) with Ping right there as well (and the Pings vary a lot by model; look at iBlades vs i210). On the Srixon v-sole, I like it more on the 700 and 900 series. I found it a little thick sometimes off turf with the 500 series. But there is no doubt it works; in sloppy conditions, all of these irons do well. And really, they are nice overall designs. The differences are easier to feel hitting off grass as mats disguise so much. If you can try them on turf, much better.

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    Cobra F9 Speedback, 14.5 degree, Fujikura Atmos Blue 7S
    Callaway Epic Flash, 17 degree, HzRDUS Smoke 70 stiff
    Callaway Rogue, 21 degree, Diamana BF 80 stiff
    TaylorMade GAPR Hi 24, KBS TGI 80 stiff

    Srixon z765 (5-7(, z965 (8-P) Fujikura 95i TS stiff
    Callaway MD4 50 S grind, 54 W grind
    Ben Hogan Ft. Worth TK 58
    Odyssey Stroke Lab V-Line putter w/Pure grip
  • TigerInTheWoodsTigerInTheWoods Members  2576WRX Points: 1,633Handicap: 5Posts: 2,576 Titanium Tees
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    Wide sole vs bounce etc is heavily player dependant as well. The 919F sole design did not work when I demoed it the other day. Felt like it was catching. Switched to my AP2 and first shot felt like it was out of a cannon. Way better turf interaction for my swing. As a higher bounce option the i210 was great. Listened to the Q&A on TXG tonight and Ian was saying that he finds steeper guys do really well with pre-worn leading edges which is probably why I'm so fond of the 716CB/MB and 718 AP2 sole design. The 716 AP2 felt like a sledgehammer through the turf.

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  • SMAC43SMAC43 Los Angeles,CAMembers  34WRX Points: 37Handicap: 5.9Posts: 34 Bunkers
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    interesting. lets go down the rabbit hole here. aside from titleist which of the irons mentioned here have a pre-worn leading edge?

    ping i series, srixon 7 series, legacy blacks, j15 cb etc etc

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    Wide sole vs bounce etc is heavily player dependant as well. The 919F sole design did not work when I demoed it the other day. Felt like it was catching. Switched to my AP2 and first shot felt like it was out of a cannon. Way better turf interaction for my swing. As a higher bounce option the i210 was great. Listened to the Q&A on TXG tonight and Ian was saying that he finds steeper guys do really well with pre-worn leading edges which is probably why I'm so fond of the 716CB/MB and 718 AP2 sole design. The 716 AP2 felt like a sledgehammer through the turf.
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  • NessismNessism To measure is to know... Members  19536WRX Points: 1,616Posts: 19,536 Titanium Tees
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    I don't know what a "preworn" sole is but I do know that a lot of the Japanese brand clubs have a muted leading edge with a lot of sole camber. Bridgestone's for example and most Mizuno JPX clubs. The Srixon irons with their V sole in effect are like this too (the V sole is just a marketing spin on a cambered sole). Cambered soles don't dig as much as a club with a sharp leading edge, bounce being equal. Most Bridgestone and Mizuno's have low bounce though, so even though the sole is cambered they will never resist digging as much as something like a Ping which has more discrete bounce.

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    Cobra (Lexi blue) F7 Hybrid w/Aldila Kuro Kage 80S
    Ping G410 irons w/Recoil 95S
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    Semi circle ground off the LE. There's a huge difference between how the 718 goes through the ground vs the 716. My Ping i200 were okay but quite high bounce. I play on a couple of links courses and I didn't love them on that. Mostly I play lush soft fairways though and they were very forgiving.

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    The Bridgestone CB-X seems to have a fairly wide sole. Never played them but giving serious thought to picking some up. I can get steep on my swing path with irons and a wide sole can help that when its a problem or really wet outside.

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    TM M4 16.5 VA Composites Drago 75
    Epon AF901 19*/22*
    PXG 031X Proto CTaper 125 5-P/Ping I500/I210 KBS Tour 125 5-P
    PXG 0311 Forged 50/56/60-Scratch 1018 50/53/58
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    Can't go wrong with Ping

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    3W - Taylor Made Jetspeed HL º17
    H - Callaway Xhot Pro 23º
    Irons - Mizuno JPX919 Hotmetal 5-GW
    SW - Callaway MD3 (S-52º)
    LW - Callaway MD3 (W-58º)
    Putter - Scotty Cameron
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