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A lot of drama here, as always. This hole got Tiger's playing partners, along with several other folks on the leader board all within a few minutes of one another. It changed the flow of the tournament and opened the door for TW to come through. My question about this hole is this: Why so many misses short? The best players in the world come up short FAR more often than go long. Seems odd, given that the penalty is more severe and then they are faced with the same shot. I know a bunker shot down to that narrow green with the creek behind is no fun. But at least it's a chance. Better than a sure dunking and 1 stroke penalty.

 

Is there something I'm missing? Or is it just a matter of it being the best choke hole in all of golfdom?

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When the pin is right, it's very difficult. And the landing area in front of the green on the right side is non-existent, so you have to reach the green or miss left and catch the bunker. While I'm not certain how much the wind was a factor this past Sunday, it has been a major factor in the past. I recall reading an article years ago about the bizarre wind pattern on 12 from the trees. It creates swirls and cross-currents.

Look at this diagram of the hole. Every yard you go right equates to additional X (I don't know the value for X here) required in length. It's a tough hole.

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Just seem though that on Sunday, and you feel your nuts in your throat and are unsure of the wind, aim for the 2 back bunkers and if you get lucky or catch it a little full-figured, you're on the green. If not, dump it out of the bunkers and move on with no worse than a 4.

It just seems to be the most dangerous hole on that back side and the latest crop of players don't really seem to get that. A LOT of huge mistakes made here the last few years.

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The further right you go the further the carry, when a right hander slices it they usually lose some distance so that explains the water balls when the pin is in the right.

 

They also don’t want to take too much club incase they pull it left and long which is also a horrible place to be.

 

You also have the factor of the win swirling in that part of the course so unless you know the wing direction and hit it perfect it’s a very risky shot

 

This is where tigers 20 years of Augusta experience came into play

 

 

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These guys are computers when it comes to golf course management. If you visit the course it's a very unusual spot on the property. Lowest spot, the entire hole is "inside the ropes." Breaks down to a very small narrow landing. Swirly winds make it hard to predict. I thought Faldo's comment was money. If it matters hit it between the two bunkers. The sand shot can roll in, but I think you would have seen 4's and not 5's and a playoff had more players played it like Tiger.

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That’s right; if there is a hint of win, every inch your ball moves to the right means it also needs to be covering more ground at the same time, which is difficult if you are hitting the high fade like these players do. High fade tends to shave off yards; you can’t shave off yards when the pin is on the right because now the bank comes into play.

I may be wrong because I didn’t re-watch Tiger’s tee ball on 12, but he really looked like he accelerated on the down swing (which is likely why the ball was slightly pulled). One thing I’m not wrong at; it really was a disadvantage for Molinari to have to go first there. Even if he and his caddie glanced over at 12 when they were on 11, they would have seen Koepka and Poulter both chipping over the water, it probably really helped Tiger to see Molinari, one of the best iron players on the planet, come up woefully short.

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Obviously TW played it smart. Amazes me how many of these other guys don't.

 

I'll keep that in mind if I ever find myself in contention for the Master's on Sunday.

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see: http://www.golfwrx.com/554246/no-12-at-augusta-national-the-golden-bell-tolls-for-koepka-molinari/?utm_source=Front&utm_medium=Featured_Center_Sub&utm_campaign=GolfWRX_OnSite&utm_content=sub

It was designed to visually lure players into making a mistake. This is what Robert Trent Jones was known for with his course architecture. Probably the best designed hole in golf for the drama it can create late in a Sunday major.

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It's unlike any other. I can't think of any other hole in all of professional golf that actually can deliver the tension and anxiety that this one does. I could feel it in my living room for god's sake.

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this hole was so significant yesterday, i prayed tiger won't make his birdie putt on 11 lol. Koepka/Poulter went in the aqua..their problem was shooting at the open space where the pin is. That is exposed. Francesco played for that neck of the green..big mistake.. Finau too. Tiger played it correctly. Over the left bunker. It's the wind and swirl with a tee shot above the green, water and danger behind the green. They should have played for a 50 footer. Glad they didn't. Tiger won because of 12.

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When the pin is on the right, it is a very tempting target, but the margin for error on the right is extremely small. With the swirling winds, two identically hit balls can end up in drastically different places. A number of players over the years have said that they originally intended to hit it to the middle of the green but saw that pin sitting there and at the last second aimed at it instead with disastrous results.

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part of it is the aggressive nature of today's pro ... it's a short hole, so they're thinking why do i need to aim away from the hole since it's so short ... and some might choose to finesse a shot instead of hitting a full shot ... the green is very tiny at that end ... add in the wind, and you've got a great hole ...

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Probably the most impactful hole in majors

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> @Ferguson said:

> It's a bad decision that leads to a ball in the water. Experience wins every single time.

> Been watching the Masters since 1976. It's always been said, "Forget the flag, take the yardage over the right portion of the bunker and add 3."

 

So if a bunch of internet golf forum goobs like us know that, why don't Young Jordan, Frankie, Tony et al know this?

Seems like someone should tell them.

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> @"Ronnie Mundt" said:

> That’s right; if there is a hint of win, every inch your ball moves to the right means it also needs to be covering more ground at the same time, which is difficult if you are hitting the high fade like these players do. High fade tends to shave off yards; you can’t shave off yards when the pin is on the right because now the bank comes into play.

> I may be wrong because I didn’t re-watch Tiger’s tee ball on 12, but he really looked like he accelerated on the down swing (**which is likely why the ball was slightly pulled**). One thing I’m not wrong at; it really was a **disadvantage** for Molinari to have to go first there. Even if he and his caddie glanced over at 12 when they were on 11, they would have seen Koepka and Poulter both chipping over the water, it probably really helped Tiger to see Molinari, one of the best iron players on the planet, come up woefully short.

Tiger didn't pull his shot; he hit it where he aimed and said so after the tournament. Also, I don't see where it was a disadvantage for Molinari to tee off after watching the group ahead; if anything, that would have made him club up and go long.

 

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> @3jacker said:

> A lot of drama here, as always. This hole got Tiger's playing partners, along with several other folks on the leader board all within a few minutes of one another. It changed the flow of the tournament and opened the door for TW to come through. My question about this hole is this: Why so many misses short? The best players in the world come up short FAR more often than go long. Seems odd, given that the penalty is more severe and then they are faced with the same shot. I know a bunker shot down to that narrow green with the creek behind is no fun. But at least it's a chance. Better than a sure dunking and 1 stroke penalty.

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> Is there something I'm missing? Or is it just a matter of it being the best choke hole in all of golfdom?

 

Ask Greg Norman about 12. He had a wealth of experience but on Sunday in 1996 he made a fatal mistake that ultimately cost him his Masters championship.

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> @3jacker said:

> > @Ferguson said:

> > It's a bad decision that leads to a ball in the water. Experience wins every single time.

> > Been watching the Masters since 1976. It's always been said, "Forget the flag, take the yardage over the right portion of the bunker and add 3."

>

> So if a bunch of internet golf forum goobs like us know that, why don't Young Jordan, Frankie, Tony et al know this?

> Seems like someone should tell them.

 

That someone is the caddie. I always question the caddie when I see something like that. 4 freaking balls in the water in two groups? The caddie should help with making rational decisions.

 

#12 forces a golfer to "make a decision" about winning and losing. With 13 and 15 upcoming, no reason to take a chance.

 

My thought regarding Sunday @ # 12 - nothing wrong with a par.

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I was sitting in the grandstands on 12 Sunday for every group. I think there were close to 15 balls hit in the water. It was incredible. There was almost no wind all day. When Keopka came to the tee the wind started to gust. The flag didn’t move. The trees behind green were still. The grandstands are elevated and we could feel the gusts.

 

It was just incredible to be there when the tournament turned!

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Everything that was said above: swirling wind, green angled away to the right forcing a push/fade that doesn't carry as far combined with long left being dead and the exact thing that happens on a pull, pressure of The Masters. In addition the hole is slightly uphill.

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