Cobra's new King F9 Speedback Driver, Woods, Hybrids and Irons (NO BUY SELL TRADE POSTS)

[gioguy21]

> @mulliganman30 said:

> > @gioguy21 said:

> > > @mulliganman30 said:

> > > > @gioguy21 said:

> > > > i think my F9 experiment run has come to an end. after playing with it on course the honeymoon stage is over and the REAL observations are starting to be more apparent.

> > > > 1) it doesn't like to draw unless i put it in -1.5* loft; and when i do, obviously this comes out at a much lower launch window than i would prefer.

> > > > 2) i have had some very odd shots come off the club after hitting it in the center (or very very very close to) - on good swings.

> > > > 3) i've had some very bad shots that come off the club on no-so-good swings that i cannot live with; to include slight miss hits that go no where (all along bottom, not just center of face).

> > > >

> > > > * the ball speeds are still there when struck well - but those 3-4 shots a round it does what i don't expect it to or, are counter to what i'd expect to see with a given strike location -- i just can't keep it in the bag.

> > >

> > > > @gioguy21 said:

> > > > i think my F9 experiment run has come to an end. after playing with it on course the honeymoon stage is over and the REAL observations are starting to be more apparent.

> > > > 1) it doesn't like to draw unless i put it in -1.5* loft; and when i do, obviously this comes out at a much lower launch window than i would prefer.

> > > > 2) i have had some very odd shots come off the club after hitting it in the center (or very very very close to) - on good swings.

> > > > 3) i've had some very bad shots that come off the club on no-so-good swings that i cannot live with; to include slight miss hits that go no where (all along bottom, not just center of face).

> > > >

> > > > * the ball speeds are still there when struck well - but those 3-4 shots a round it does what i don't expect it to or, are counter to what i'd expect to see with a given strike location -- i just can't keep it in the bag.

> > >

> > > In full disclosure, aren’t you one of the testers for Green Grass?

> >

> > I don't know what you mean -- Do i buy my shafts from TollBros? yes. Do I do everything i can to provide insight into the shafts i put into play? yes.

> >

> > full disclosure, i'm not sure what you're getting at. TollBros doesn't sell Cobra equipment.

>

> I’m just naturally skeptical and a little puzzled by your “ I had some odd shots after hitting it in the center on good swings”. I’m not sure what that’s even supposed to mean.

> Now I know they don’t sell Cobra, but my understanding is they do sell tour Taylormade. And if you are one of their testers for the shafts they pair with these heads, I just want to know what you’re sharing isn’t being influenced by other things.

 

seriously? i think others here can vouch for me - and can attest to my credibility with regards to testing shafts and equipment. Further, i do everything i can to help people when they need shaft recommendations, fits, performance comparisons and the like - AND i have people who back my observations up.

 

i'm not biased - and honestly it kinda hurts since i go to serious lengths to be credible. i've never bought a tour issue head from TollBros -- of ANY make or model. the tour issue head i got is off ebay - and can send you the link should you need it.

 

please, if i can be LESS biased - please let me know, i would honestly take it to heart and put it to use.

 

i've tested just about everything out there, taking losses on NUMEROUS clubs/shafts/etc. either trying to find the right fit for me, or to test for my knowledge and to share with others.

 

to the original post i made - 'i had some odd shots after hitting it in the center on good swings'.... what i meant was - on good swings where i was trying to hit a draw, or a cut, or high, or low -- i would look up and the ball would either be coming out a different window than i planned, a different shape than i planned, or a mix of the two; only to look at the clubface and see a strike location out of the middle. at first i thought this was random occurrence - however on the range i noticed it alot. getting in a groove with a driver is easy after a couple balls -- and i would see the odd flight ball (as described above) about once every 5 or so balls.

 

i'm not mad about your comment or accusation - i just take it with significant value since i do what i can for anyone who asks.

[Captain Morgan]

> @jbole267 said:

> > @gioguy21 said:

> > i think my F9 experiment run has come to an end. after playing with it on course the honeymoon stage is over and the REAL observations are starting to be more apparent.

> > 1) it doesn't like to draw unless i put it in -1.5* loft; and when i do, obviously this comes out at a much lower launch window than i would prefer.

> > 2) i have had some very odd shots come off the club after hitting it in the center (or very very very close to) - on good swings.

> > 3) i've had some very bad shots that come off the club on no-so-good swings that i cannot live with; to include slight miss hits that go no where (all along bottom, not just center of face).

> >

> > * the ball speeds are still there when struck well - but those 3-4 shots a round it does what i don't expect it to or, are counter to what i'd expect to see with a given strike location -- i just can't keep it in the bag.

>

> Interesting news!

>

> Curious to hear if the love affair for everyone else continues or they come back to the dark side......

 

My honeymoon is over also. I don’t hit the center of the club face all the time. My miss is slightly towards the toe. I’m getting punished quite a bit. Yes I watched Mark Crossfield’s video on the F9. I had this problem before watching it. So I’m moving on.

 

[mulliganman30]

> @gioguy21 said:

> > @mulliganman30 said:

> > > @gioguy21 said:

> > > > @mulliganman30 said:

> > > > > @gioguy21 said:

> > > > > i think my F9 experiment run has come to an end. after playing with it on course the honeymoon stage is over and the REAL observations are starting to be more apparent.

> > > > > 1) it doesn't like to draw unless i put it in -1.5* loft; and when i do, obviously this comes out at a much lower launch window than i would prefer.

> > > > > 2) i have had some very odd shots come off the club after hitting it in the center (or very very very close to) - on good swings.

> > > > > 3) i've had some very bad shots that come off the club on no-so-good swings that i cannot live with; to include slight miss hits that go no where (all along bottom, not just center of face).

> > > > >

> > > > > * the ball speeds are still there when struck well - but those 3-4 shots a round it does what i don't expect it to or, are counter to what i'd expect to see with a given strike location -- i just can't keep it in the bag.

> > > >

> > > > > @gioguy21 said:

> > > > > i think my F9 experiment run has come to an end. after playing with it on course the honeymoon stage is over and the REAL observations are starting to be more apparent.

> > > > > 1) it doesn't like to draw unless i put it in -1.5* loft; and when i do, obviously this comes out at a much lower launch window than i would prefer.

> > > > > 2) i have had some very odd shots come off the club after hitting it in the center (or very very very close to) - on good swings.

> > > > > 3) i've had some very bad shots that come off the club on no-so-good swings that i cannot live with; to include slight miss hits that go no where (all along bottom, not just center of face).

> > > > >

> > > > > * the ball speeds are still there when struck well - but those 3-4 shots a round it does what i don't expect it to or, are counter to what i'd expect to see with a given strike location -- i just can't keep it in the bag.

> > > >

> > > > In full disclosure, aren’t you one of the testers for Green Grass?

> > >

> > > I don't know what you mean -- Do i buy my shafts from TollBros? yes. Do I do everything i can to provide insight into the shafts i put into play? yes.

> > >

> > > full disclosure, i'm not sure what you're getting at. TollBros doesn't sell Cobra equipment.

> >

> > I’m just naturally skeptical and a little puzzled by your “ I had some odd shots after hitting it in the center on good swings”. I’m not sure what that’s even supposed to mean.

> > Now I know they don’t sell Cobra, but my understanding is they do sell tour Taylormade. And if you are one of their testers for the shafts they pair with these heads, I just want to know what you’re sharing isn’t being influenced by other things.

>

> seriously? i think others here can vouch for me - and can attest to my credibility with regards to testing shafts and equipment. Further, i do everything i can to help people when they need shaft recommendations, fits, performance comparisons and the like - AND i have people who back my observations up.

>

> i'm not biased - and honestly it kinda hurts since i go to serious lengths to be credible. i've never bought a tour issue head from TollBros -- of ANY make or model. the tour issue head i got is off ebay - and can send you the link should you need it.

>

> please, if i can be LESS biased - please let me know, i would honestly take it to heart and put it to use.

>

> i've tested just about everything out there, taking losses on NUMEROUS clubs/shafts/etc. either trying to find the right fit for me, or to test for my knowledge and to share with others.

>

> to the original post i made - 'i had some odd shots after hitting it in the center on good swings'.... what i meant was - on good swings where i was trying to hit a draw, or a cut, or high, or low -- i would look up and the ball would either be coming out a different window than i planned, a different shape than i planned, or a mix of the two; only to look at the clubface and see a strike location out of the middle. at first i thought this was random occurrence - however on the range i noticed it alot. getting in a groove with a driver is easy after a couple balls -- and i would see the odd flight ball (as described above) about once every 5 or so balls.

>

> i'm not mad about your comment or accusation - i just take it with significant value since i do what i can for anyone who asks.

 

This is all I wanted to hear. I was purposefully trying to craft what I was wanting to know without trying to be overly accusatory but knowing it may not come off that way. Sometimes it can be hard to find the valuable and reliable pieces of information in equipment threads like this for varying reasons including well a lot of things like bad fit, poor strikes, and at times by users who maybe have a hidden agenda, etc. I’m genuinely interested in the club and appreciate your clarity in response. This is also why I asked about where Crossfield was said to have alluded at something supposedly like this when I didn’t catch it watching it myself.

[gioguy21]

> @mulliganman30 said:

> > @gioguy21 said:

> > > @mulliganman30 said:

> > > > @gioguy21 said:

> > > > > @mulliganman30 said:

> > > > > > @gioguy21 said:

> > > > > > i think my F9 experiment run has come to an end. after playing with it on course the honeymoon stage is over and the REAL observations are starting to be more apparent.

> > > > > > 1) it doesn't like to draw unless i put it in -1.5* loft; and when i do, obviously this comes out at a much lower launch window than i would prefer.

> > > > > > 2) i have had some very odd shots come off the club after hitting it in the center (or very very very close to) - on good swings.

> > > > > > 3) i've had some very bad shots that come off the club on no-so-good swings that i cannot live with; to include slight miss hits that go no where (all along bottom, not just center of face).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > * the ball speeds are still there when struck well - but those 3-4 shots a round it does what i don't expect it to or, are counter to what i'd expect to see with a given strike location -- i just can't keep it in the bag.

> > > > >

> > > > > > @gioguy21 said:

> > > > > > i think my F9 experiment run has come to an end. after playing with it on course the honeymoon stage is over and the REAL observations are starting to be more apparent.

> > > > > > 1) it doesn't like to draw unless i put it in -1.5* loft; and when i do, obviously this comes out at a much lower launch window than i would prefer.

> > > > > > 2) i have had some very odd shots come off the club after hitting it in the center (or very very very close to) - on good swings.

> > > > > > 3) i've had some very bad shots that come off the club on no-so-good swings that i cannot live with; to include slight miss hits that go no where (all along bottom, not just center of face).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > * the ball speeds are still there when struck well - but those 3-4 shots a round it does what i don't expect it to or, are counter to what i'd expect to see with a given strike location -- i just can't keep it in the bag.

> > > > >

> > > > > In full disclosure, aren’t you one of the testers for Green Grass?

> > > >

> > > > I don't know what you mean -- Do i buy my shafts from TollBros? yes. Do I do everything i can to provide insight into the shafts i put into play? yes.

> > > >

> > > > full disclosure, i'm not sure what you're getting at. TollBros doesn't sell Cobra equipment.

> > >

> > > I’m just naturally skeptical and a little puzzled by your “ I had some odd shots after hitting it in the center on good swings”. I’m not sure what that’s even supposed to mean.

> > > Now I know they don’t sell Cobra, but my understanding is they do sell tour Taylormade. And if you are one of their testers for the shafts they pair with these heads, I just want to know what you’re sharing isn’t being influenced by other things.

> >

> > seriously? i think others here can vouch for me - and can attest to my credibility with regards to testing shafts and equipment. Further, i do everything i can to help people when they need shaft recommendations, fits, performance comparisons and the like - AND i have people who back my observations up.

> >

> > i'm not biased - and honestly it kinda hurts since i go to serious lengths to be credible. i've never bought a tour issue head from TollBros -- of ANY make or model. the tour issue head i got is off ebay - and can send you the link should you need it.

> >

> > please, if i can be LESS biased - please let me know, i would honestly take it to heart and put it to use.

> >

> > i've tested just about everything out there, taking losses on NUMEROUS clubs/shafts/etc. either trying to find the right fit for me, or to test for my knowledge and to share with others.

> >

> > to the original post i made - 'i had some odd shots after hitting it in the center on good swings'.... what i meant was - on good swings where i was trying to hit a draw, or a cut, or high, or low -- i would look up and the ball would either be coming out a different window than i planned, a different shape than i planned, or a mix of the two; only to look at the clubface and see a strike location out of the middle. at first i thought this was random occurrence - however on the range i noticed it alot. getting in a groove with a driver is easy after a couple balls -- and i would see the odd flight ball (as described above) about once every 5 or so balls.

> >

> > i'm not mad about your comment or accusation - i just take it with significant value since i do what i can for anyone who asks.

>

> This is all I wanted to hear. I was purposefully trying to craft what I was wanting to know without trying to be overly accusatory but knowing it may not come off that way. Sometimes it can be hard to find the valuable and reliable pieces of information in equipment threads like this for varying reasons including well a lot of things like bad fit, poor strikes, and at times by users who maybe have a hidden agenda, etc. I’m genuinely interested in the club and appreciate your clarity in response. This is also why I asked about where Crossfield was said to have alluded at something supposedly like this when I didn’t catch it watching it myself.

 

While I try to be as honest as I can be - it's always hard to understand the persona people see versus what one might try to put forth. I get PMs on the regular asking about everything from shaft fitting to (just today actually) someone asking about baby shoes as putter headcovers lol

 

If I can ever help, know I'll do whatever I can based on experience to provide guidance, observations or shoot the ****.

[Hookasaurus Rex]

I wonder if the “crossfield toe miss” is going to end up like the 2016 M2 heel miss observation from another site. One of the other golf sites panned the 2016 M2, and basically said heel strikes on it were excessively punished. I played it for sometime and never noticed anything, although I tend to miss on the toe, I missed plenty on the heel over a 2.5 year period. The 2016 M2 ended up being one of the best drivers of all time......

 

I miss all the time on the toe and haven’t noticed anything bad in my f9. In my last round I missed halfway between the center and the “cnc milled” label on the face, and it was the longest, straightest drive of my round. The dude from txg was getting his all time best ball speeds, and he was living toe side on the f9.... Maybe it’s sensitive to how it’s delivered to the ball, or maybe there are some manufacturing inconsistencies? Maybe, I’m lucky and got a good one! I will say I find the f9 to be much more stable with a heavier weight in back, and still low spin when set to a lower loft like 8*. Just my observation.

[JonnyKrasnodar]

> @mulliganman30 said:

> > @JonnyKrasnodar said:

> > > @jbole267 said:

> > > > @gioguy21 said:

> > > > i think my F9 experiment run has come to an end. after playing with it on course the honeymoon stage is over and the REAL observations are starting to be more apparent.

> > > > 1) it doesn't like to draw unless i put it in -1.5* loft; and when i do, obviously this comes out at a much lower launch window than i would prefer.

> > > > 2) i have had some very odd shots come off the club after hitting it in the center (or very very very close to) - on good swings.

> > > > 3) i've had some very bad shots that come off the club on no-so-good swings that i cannot live with; to include slight miss hits that go no where (all along bottom, not just center of face).

> > > >

> > > > * the ball speeds are still there when struck well - but those 3-4 shots a round it does what i don't expect it to or, are counter to what i'd expect to see with a given strike location -- i just can't keep it in the bag.

> > >

> > > Interesting news!

> > >

> > > Curious to hear if the love affair for everyone else continues or they come back to the dark side......

> >

> > My swing changes over the winter have resulted in my shot shape changing from straight to a baby draw and with the F9 in hand, that trend has continued. Able to draw the F9 without any hassle and it has resulted in hitting most fairways.

> > I 100% agree on the strange shots - I've has a few unexpected flights and short-balls only to check the club face and see the ball print mm toe side of centre. Mark Crossfield picked up on this and is the only reviewer so far to admit that the F9 is not infallible.

> > I picked up on this early and have solved it by bowing my left wrist a touch in the downswing. Closing the face a touch allows me to deliver the face mm low heel of centre. This results in another odd, but desirable flight. It launches the ball high into air but the penetrating flight goes for miles. It's a massive baby draw bomb ball. It's sneaky long. More consistent than my old M4 and ? times better than the ST180.

>

> > @JonnyKrasnodar said:

> > > @jbole267 said:

> > > > @gioguy21 said:

> > > > i think my F9 experiment run has come to an end. after playing with it on course the honeymoon stage is over and the REAL observations are starting to be more apparent.

> > > > 1) it doesn't like to draw unless i put it in -1.5* loft; and when i do, obviously this comes out at a much lower launch window than i would prefer.

> > > > 2) i have had some very odd shots come off the club after hitting it in the center (or very very very close to) - on good swings.

> > > > 3) i've had some very bad shots that come off the club on no-so-good swings that i cannot live with; to include slight miss hits that go no where (all along bottom, not just center of face).

> > > >

> > > > * the ball speeds are still there when struck well - but those 3-4 shots a round it does what i don't expect it to or, are counter to what i'd expect to see with a given strike location -- i just can't keep it in the bag.

> > >

> > > Interesting news!

> > >

> > > Curious to hear if the love affair for everyone else continues or they come back to the dark side......

> >

> > My swing changes over the winter have resulted in my shot shape changing from straight to a baby draw and with the F9 in hand, that trend has continued. Able to draw the F9 without any hassle and it has resulted in hitting most fairways.

> > I 100% agree on the strange shots - I've has a few unexpected flights and short-balls only to check the club face and see the ball print mm toe side of centre. Mark Crossfield picked up on this and is the only reviewer so far to admit that the F9 is not infallible.

> > I picked up on this early and have solved it by bowing my left wrist a touch in the downswing. Closing the face a touch allows me to deliver the face mm low heel of centre. This results in another odd, but desirable flight. It launches the ball high into air but the penetrating flight goes for miles. It's a massive baby draw bomb ball. It's sneaky long. More consistent than my old M4 and ? times better than the ST180.

> Ok. So, I tried to find the comment you are referencing by Crossfield but I didn’t catch it when I just watched it. Do you know what the time stamp in the video is when he says that?

>

 

From 14:30 here to the end assessing the numbers. He mentions it more in the head to head with Callaway and from memory he refers to it several times in it:

 

He also did several social media posts (Twitter mainly) where he referenced "surprising results" but not in the way we think, this was in the lead up to the original review. In the head to head during the test both him and Dan notice this because both are high toe bomb balls yet on this club the bomb balls come from a different strike location and both say they'd find it hard to adjust.

[leftycabe]

> @"Hookasaurus Rex" said:

> I wonder if the “crossfield toe miss” is going to end up like the 2016 M2 heel miss observation from another site. One of the other golf sites panned the 2016 M2, and basically said heel strikes on it were excessively punished. I played it for sometime and never noticed anything, although I tend to miss on the toe, I missed plenty on the heel over a 2.5 year period. The 2016 M2 ended up being one of the best drivers of all time......

>

> I miss all the time on the toe and haven’t noticed anything bad in my f9. In my last round I missed halfway between the center and the “cnc milled” label on the face, and it was the longest, straightest drive of my round. The dude from txg was getting his all time best ball speeds, and he was living toe side on the f9.... Maybe it’s sensitive to how it’s delivered to the ball, or maybe there are some manufacturing inconsistencies? Maybe, I’m lucky and got a good one! I will say I find the f9 to be much more stable with a heavier weight in back, and still low spin when set to a lower loft like 8*. Just my observation.

 

I completely agree with this. I bought this and the Callaway Epic Flash Sub Zero to compare. I’ve only had four rounds and two range sessions with the F9 but I can say I’ve hit more balls towards the high toe than the center and haven’t seen any drops in performance. If anything, it has performed better than my G400 LST last year and my standard Epic the year before. This has beat out my EFSZ in every way and that’s why it’s now for sale on this site.

[1163]

> @leftycabe said:

> > @"Hookasaurus Rex" said:

> > I wonder if the “crossfield toe miss” is going to end up like the 2016 M2 heel miss observation from another site. One of the other golf sites panned the 2016 M2, and basically said heel strikes on it were excessively punished. I played it for sometime and never noticed anything, although I tend to miss on the toe, I missed plenty on the heel over a 2.5 year period. The 2016 M2 ended up being one of the best drivers of all time......

> >

> > I miss all the time on the toe and haven’t noticed anything bad in my f9. In my last round I missed halfway between the center and the “cnc milled” label on the face, and it was the longest, straightest drive of my round. The dude from txg was getting his all time best ball speeds, and he was living toe side on the f9.... Maybe it’s sensitive to how it’s delivered to the ball, or maybe there are some manufacturing inconsistencies? Maybe, I’m lucky and got a good one! I will say I find the f9 to be much more stable with a heavier weight in back, and still low spin when set to a lower loft like 8*. Just my observation.

>

> I completely agree with this. I bought this and the Callaway Epic Flash Sub Zero to compare. I’ve only had four rounds and two range sessions with the F9 but I can say I’ve hit more balls towards the high toe than the center and haven’t seen any drops in performance. If anything, it has performed better than my G400 LST last year and my standard Epic the year before. This has beat out my EFSZ in every way and that’s why it’s now for sale on this site.

 

I second these observations... I find my F9 high toe strikes too be long/low spin. What is unique for me with the F9 is that misses across the face are far less punishing than other drivers i have ever tested/played.

 

It is the best feeling, sounding, performing driver I have ever played

[JonnyKrasnodar]

> @leftycabe said:

> > @"Hookasaurus Rex" said:

> > I wonder if the “crossfield toe miss” is going to end up like the 2016 M2 heel miss observation from another site. One of the other golf sites panned the 2016 M2, and basically said heel strikes on it were excessively punished. I played it for sometime and never noticed anything, although I tend to miss on the toe, I missed plenty on the heel over a 2.5 year period. The 2016 M2 ended up being one of the best drivers of all time......

> >

> > I miss all the time on the toe and haven’t noticed anything bad in my f9. In my last round I missed halfway between the center and the “cnc milled” label on the face, and it was the longest, straightest drive of my round. The dude from txg was getting his all time best ball speeds, and he was living toe side on the f9.... Maybe it’s sensitive to how it’s delivered to the ball, or maybe there are some manufacturing inconsistencies? Maybe, I’m lucky and got a good one! I will say I find the f9 to be much more stable with a heavier weight in back, and still low spin when set to a lower loft like 8*. Just my observation.

>

> I completely agree with this. I bought this and the Callaway Epic Flash Sub Zero to compare. I’ve only had four rounds and two range sessions with the F9 but I can say I’ve hit more balls towards the high toe than the center and haven’t seen any drops in performance. If anything, it has performed better than my G400 LST last year and my standard Epic the year before. This has beat out my EFSZ in every way and that’s why it’s now for sale on this site.

 

It's nothing to do with a conspiracy to pan the F9, I think it's the best driver I've ever had and as per my original post, a tweak of my left wrist allows me to maximize my performance out the club.

 

Loads of independent, unrelated people have found high toe to be inconsistent. I'll catch one high toe occasionally, feel it at impact and drop the club expecting to be a crap shot based on my experiences but lo and behold it goes for days.

So it's not everyone all the time but there is "something" about the high toe area. It's not THE sweetspot for 99% of golfers the way it is on every other club.

[Lobber]

So many great choices in drivers today. Yet many of us are obsessed on the one we game and why it’s best. If I had a buck for every time I bought a driver based on a review or posts I read I’d have more money in my pocket. What I’ve learned is that I need to demo, get fit and game what works best for me without worrying about what others game. I am my own expert and only I know what works best for me. I love this site and the community but won’t rely on it for my driver choices. No offense intended

[SEP1006]

> @1163 said:

> > @leftycabe said:

> > > @"Hookasaurus Rex" said:

> > > I wonder if the “crossfield toe miss” is going to end up like the 2016 M2 heel miss observation from another site. One of the other golf sites panned the 2016 M2, and basically said heel strikes on it were excessively punished. I played it for sometime and never noticed anything, although I tend to miss on the toe, I missed plenty on the heel over a 2.5 year period. The 2016 M2 ended up being one of the best drivers of all time......

> > >

> > > I miss all the time on the toe and haven’t noticed anything bad in my f9. In my last round I missed halfway between the center and the “cnc milled” label on the face, and it was the longest, straightest drive of my round. The dude from txg was getting his all time best ball speeds, and he was living toe side on the f9.... Maybe it’s sensitive to how it’s delivered to the ball, or maybe there are some manufacturing inconsistencies? Maybe, I’m lucky and got a good one! I will say I find the f9 to be much more stable with a heavier weight in back, and still low spin when set to a lower loft like 8*. Just my observation.

> >

> > I completely agree with this. I bought this and the Callaway Epic Flash Sub Zero to compare. I’ve only had four rounds and two range sessions with the F9 but I can say I’ve hit more balls towards the high toe than the center and haven’t seen any drops in performance. If anything, it has performed better than my G400 LST last year and my standard Epic the year before. This has beat out my EFSZ in every way and that’s why it’s now for sale on this site.

>

> I second these observations... I find my F9 high toe strikes too be long/low spin. What is unique for me with the F9 is that misses across the face are far less punishing than other drivers i have ever tested/played.

>

> It is the best feeling, sounding, performing driver I have ever played

 

 

 

Agree with the above, except for low heel strikes you can hit this anywhere on the face and get rewarded with a good drive.

[Lord Helmet]

I will vouch for Gio if it matters, lol. I have harassed that guy more than once on WRX, email, text, etc...and he is always super nice, objective, honest, and unbiased when trying to help. And Gio, I hit 3w after my driver experience. Tops was F9 w/ Atmos TS Blue 7x, lol!

Also - what are you guys talking about w/ Crossfield and the F9? Spell it out for me. Thanks in advance.

[gioguy21]

> @"Lord Helmet" said:

> I will vouch for Gio if it matters, lol. I have harassed that guy more than once on WRX, email, text, etc...and he is always super nice, objective, honest, and unbiased when trying to help. And Gio, I hit 3w after my driver experience. Tops was F9 w/ Atmos TS Blue 7x, lol!

> Also - what are you guys talking about w/ Crossfield and the F9? Spell it out for me. Thanks in advance.

 

Thank u man - but you're never harassing me haha NICE! (on the 3w setup)

[Hookasaurus Rex]

> @JonnyKrasnodar said:

> > @leftycabe said:

> > > @"Hookasaurus Rex" said:

> > > I wonder if the “crossfield toe miss” is going to end up like the 2016 M2 heel miss observation from another site. One of the other golf sites panned the 2016 M2, and basically said heel strikes on it were excessively punished. I played it for sometime and never noticed anything, although I tend to miss on the toe, I missed plenty on the heel over a 2.5 year period. The 2016 M2 ended up being one

 

> @"Lord Helmet" said:

> I will vouch for Gio if it matters, lol. I have harassed that guy more than once on WRX, email, text, etc...and he is always super nice, objective, honest, and unbiased when trying to help. And Gio, I hit 3w after my driver experience. Tops was F9 w/ Atmos TS Blue 7x, lol!

> Also - what are you guys talking about w/ Crossfield and the F9? Spell it out for me. Thanks in advance.

 

I’ll vouch for Gio as well. I’ve pm’d h8m a few times over the years and have had the same experience as Lord Helmet— he’s always friendly, objective, willing to respond, and super helpful...

 

As for Crossfield, in his testing he’s noticed the f9 is weaker off the high toe area. For him, it looked like it created excessive spin for the most part, with a little drop in ball speed. Others have seen this as well... However, a lot of people have not seen this problem either. I’ve tested mine on a launch monitor multiple times against my G400 LST and 2016 TI M2(which is a high toe monster), and haven’t noticed anything. In the TXG video review of the F9 - “the f9 fastest driver ever tested” - Matt hits one 12mm high and 10mm toe, and Ian immediately responds that the high toe area is giving him freakishly good launch numbers and retaining good ball speed. I believe his spin was 2100 with 175bs. His bs is higher in an around the center though, however Ian notes that the driver is good on the toe. It could be that the f9 is inconsistent in the toe area, but I haven’t noticed it. I always seem to hit bombs with it on the toe.

 

Basically, as with everything, it’s just good juju to test it out first. Everybody is going to have a different experience with the same club.

 

 

[Lord Helmet]

> @"Hookasaurus Rex" said:

> > @JonnyKrasnodar said:

> > > @leftycabe said:

> > > > @"Hookasaurus Rex" said:

> > > > I wonder if the “crossfield toe miss” is going to end up like the 2016 M2 heel miss observation from another site. One of the other golf sites panned the 2016 M2, and basically said heel strikes on it were excessively punished. I played it for sometime and never noticed anything, although I tend to miss on the toe, I missed plenty on the heel over a 2.5 year period. The 2016 M2 ended up being one

>

> > @"Lord Helmet" said:

> > I will vouch for Gio if it matters, lol. I have harassed that guy more than once on WRX, email, text, etc...and he is always super nice, objective, honest, and unbiased when trying to help. And Gio, I hit 3w after my driver experience. Tops was F9 w/ Atmos TS Blue 7x, lol!

> > Also - what are you guys talking about w/ Crossfield and the F9? Spell it out for me. Thanks in advance.

>

> I’ll vouch for Gio as well. I’ve pm’d h8m a few times over the years and have had the same experience as Lord Helmet— he’s always friendly, objective, willing to respond, and super helpful...

>

> As for Crossfield, in his testing he’s noticed the f9 is weaker off the high toe area. For him, it looked like it created excessive spin for the most part, with a little drop in ball speed. Others have seen this as well... However, a lot of people have not seen this problem either. I’ve tested mine on a launch monitor multiple times against my G400 LST and 2016 TI M2(which is a high toe monster), and haven’t noticed anything. In the TXG video review of the F9 - “the f9 fastest driver ever tested” - Matt hits one 12mm high and 10mm toe, and Ian immediately responds that the high toe area is giving him freakishly good launch numbers and retaining good ball speed. I believe his spin was 2100 with 175bs. His bs is higher in an around the center though, however Ian notes that the driver is good on the toe. It could be that the f9 is inconsistent in the toe area, but I haven’t noticed it. I always seem to hit bombs with it on the toe.

>

> Basically, as with everything, it’s just good juju to test it out first. Everybody is going to have a different experience with the same club.

>

>

 

Thank you Hook. Much appreciated. My miss is low heel so I think Im safe, lol, unless Crossfield said something about that! I did hit a high toe last night in league with my LTD Pro and I got super results.

[manima1]

> @gioguy21 said:

> lol i'll be going back to my tour issue 2017 M1 460 head...

 

No M5 head experiment for you?

[gioguy21]

> @manima1 said:

> > @gioguy21 said:

> > lol i'll be going back to my tour issue 2017 M1 460 head...

>

> No M5 head experiment for you?

my buddy has one - its on tap for later in the year. my golf budget has been a bit tighter as of late - if i can sell my X7's i have in the classifieds and a few other things, i might just pick up an M5 but, till then i'll stick with the M1.

[kiwihacker]

Crossfield did another video with the F9 going head to head with the Ping G410 and observed the same thing. It's the only negative thing I've seen or heard about this driver.

[kiwihacker]

> @"Lord Helmet" said:

> > @"Hookasaurus Rex" said:

> > > @JonnyKrasnodar said:

> > > > @leftycabe said:

> > > > > @"Hookasaurus Rex" said:

> > > > > I wonder if the “crossfield toe miss” is going to end up like the 2016 M2 heel miss observation from another site. One of the other golf sites panned the 2016 M2, and basically said heel strikes on it were excessively punished. I played it for sometime and never noticed anything, although I tend to miss on the toe, I missed plenty on the heel over a 2.5 year period. The 2016 M2 ended up being one

> >

> > > @"Lord Helmet" said:

> > > I will vouch for Gio if it matters, lol. I have harassed that guy more than once on WRX, email, text, etc...and he is always super nice, objective, honest, and unbiased when trying to help. And Gio, I hit 3w after my driver experience. Tops was F9 w/ Atmos TS Blue 7x, lol!

> > > Also - what are you guys talking about w/ Crossfield and the F9? Spell it out for me. Thanks in advance.

> >

> > I’ll vouch for Gio as well. I’ve pm’d h8m a few times over the years and have had the same experience as Lord Helmet— he’s always friendly, objective, willing to respond, and super helpful...

> >

> > As for Crossfield, in his testing he’s noticed the f9 is weaker off the high toe area. For him, it looked like it created excessive spin for the most part, with a little drop in ball speed. Others have seen this as well... However, a lot of people have not seen this problem either. I’ve tested mine on a launch monitor multiple times against my G400 LST and 2016 TI M2(which is a high toe monster), and haven’t noticed anything. In the TXG video review of the F9 - “the f9 fastest driver ever tested” - Matt hits one 12mm high and 10mm toe, and Ian immediately responds that the high toe area is giving him freakishly good launch numbers and retaining good ball speed. I believe his spin was 2100 with 175bs. His bs is higher in an around the center though, however Ian notes that the driver is good on the toe. It could be that the f9 is inconsistent in the toe area, but I haven’t noticed it. I always seem to hit bombs with it on the toe.

> >

> > Basically, as with everything, it’s just good juju to test it out first. Everybody is going to have a different experience with the same club.

> >

> >

>

> Thank you Hook. Much appreciated. My miss is low heel so I think Im safe, lol, unless Crossfield said something about that! I did hit a high toe last night in league with my LTD Pro and I got super results.

 

So you got the F9 driver AND 3 wood! LOL this could get really expensive. What about the hybrids? :)

[Hookasaurus Rex]

> @"Lord Helmet" said:

> > @"Hookasaurus Rex" said:

> > > @JonnyKrasnodar said:

> > > > @leftycabe said:

> > > > > @"Hookasaurus Rex" said:

> > > > > I wonder if the “crossfield toe miss” is going to end up like the 2016 M2 heel miss observation from another site. One of the other golf sites panned the 2016 M2, and basically said heel strikes on it were excessively punished. I played it for sometime and never noticed anything, although I tend to miss on the toe, I missed plenty on the heel over a 2.5 year period. The 2016 M2 ended up being one

> >

> > > @"Lord Helmet" said:

> > > I will vouch for Gio if it matters, lol. I have harassed that guy more than once on WRX, email, text, etc...and he is always super nice, objective, honest, and unbiased when trying to help. And Gio, I hit 3w after my driver experience. Tops was F9 w/ Atmos TS Blue 7x, lol!

> > > Also - what are you guys talking about w/ Crossfield and the F9? Spell it out for me. Thanks in advance.

> >

> > I’ll vouch for Gio as well. I’ve pm’d h8m a few times over the years and have had the same experience as Lord Helmet— he’s always friendly, objective, willing to respond, and super helpful...

> >

> > As for Crossfield, in his testing he’s noticed the f9 is weaker off the high toe area. For him, it looked like it created excessive spin for the most part, with a little drop in ball speed. Others have seen this as well... However, a lot of people have not seen this problem either. I’ve tested mine on a launch monitor multiple times against my G400 LST and 2016 TI M2(which is a high toe monster), and haven’t noticed anything. In the TXG video review of the F9 - “the f9 fastest driver ever tested” - Matt hits one 12mm high and 10mm toe, and Ian immediately responds that the high toe area is giving him freakishly good launch numbers and retaining good ball speed. I believe his spin was 2100 with 175bs. His bs is higher in an around the center though, however Ian notes that the driver is good on the toe. It could be that the f9 is inconsistent in the toe area, but I haven’t noticed it. I always seem to hit bombs with it on the toe.

> >

> > Basically, as with everything, it’s just good juju to test it out first. Everybody is going to have a different experience with the same club.

> >

> >

>

> Thank you Hook. Much appreciated. My miss is low heel so I think Im safe, lol, unless Crossfield said something about that! I did hit a high toe last night in league with my LTD Pro and I got super results.

 

No problem! Sounds like we have the same taste in drivers also. I have an LTD pro that I like as well. I haven't had a low heel miss yet, but the center low/low toe miss on the f9 performs really well, imo...

[Lord Helmet]

> @kiwihacker said:

> > @"Lord Helmet" said:

> > > @"Hookasaurus Rex" said:

> > > > @JonnyKrasnodar said:

> > > > > @leftycabe said:

> > > > > > @"Hookasaurus Rex" said:

> > > > > > I wonder if the “crossfield toe miss” is going to end up like the 2016 M2 heel miss observation from another site. One of the other golf sites panned the 2016 M2, and basically said heel strikes on it were excessively punished. I played it for sometime and never noticed anything, although I tend to miss on the toe, I missed plenty on the heel over a 2.5 year period. The 2016 M2 ended up being one

> > >

> > > > @"Lord Helmet" said:

> > > > I will vouch for Gio if it matters, lol. I have harassed that guy more than once on WRX, email, text, etc...and he is always super nice, objective, honest, and unbiased when trying to help. And Gio, I hit 3w after my driver experience. Tops was F9 w/ Atmos TS Blue 7x, lol!

> > > > Also - what are you guys talking about w/ Crossfield and the F9? Spell it out for me. Thanks in advance.

> > >

> > > I’ll vouch for Gio as well. I’ve pm’d h8m a few times over the years and have had the same experience as Lord Helmet— he’s always friendly, objective, willing to respond, and super helpful...

> > >

> > > As for Crossfield, in his testing he’s noticed the f9 is weaker off the high toe area. For him, it looked like it created excessive spin for the most part, with a little drop in ball speed. Others have seen this as well... However, a lot of people have not seen this problem either. I’ve tested mine on a launch monitor multiple times against my G400 LST and 2016 TI M2(which is a high toe monster), and haven’t noticed anything. In the TXG video review of the F9 - “the f9 fastest driver ever tested” - Matt hits one 12mm high and 10mm toe, and Ian immediately responds that the high toe area is giving him freakishly good launch numbers and retaining good ball speed. I believe his spin was 2100 with 175bs. His bs is higher in an around the center though, however Ian notes that the driver is good on the toe. It could be that the f9 is inconsistent in the toe area, but I haven’t noticed it. I always seem to hit bombs with it on the toe.

> > >

> > > Basically, as with everything, it’s just good juju to test it out first. Everybody is going to have a different experience with the same club.

> > >

> > >

> >

> > Thank you Hook. Much appreciated. My miss is low heel so I think Im safe, lol, unless Crossfield said something about that! I did hit a high toe last night in league with my LTD Pro and I got super results.

>

> So you got the F9 driver AND 3 wood! LOL this could get really expensive. What about the hybrids? :)

 

No hybrids in this bag my friend! :#

[JonnyKrasnodar]

> @"Hookasaurus Rex" said:

> > @JonnyKrasnodar said:

> > > @leftycabe said:

> > > > @"Hookasaurus Rex" said:

> > > > I wonder if the “crossfield toe miss” is going to end up like the 2016 M2 heel miss observation from another site. One of the other golf sites panned the 2016 M2, and basically said heel strikes on it were excessively punished. I played it for sometime and never noticed anything, although I tend to miss on the toe, I missed plenty on the heel over a 2.5 year period. The 2016 M2 ended up being one

>

> > @"Lord Helmet" said:

> > I will vouch for Gio if it matters, lol. I have harassed that guy more than once on WRX, email, text, etc...and he is always super nice, objective, honest, and unbiased when trying to help. And Gio, I hit 3w after my driver experience. Tops was F9 w/ Atmos TS Blue 7x, lol!

> > Also - what are you guys talking about w/ Crossfield and the F9? Spell it out for me. Thanks in advance.

>

> I’ll vouch for Gio as well. I’ve pm’d h8m a few times over the years and have had the same experience as Lord Helmet— he’s always friendly, objective, willing to respond, and super helpful...

>

> As for Crossfield, in his testing he’s noticed the f9 is weaker off the high toe area. For him, it looked like it created excessive spin for the most part, with a little drop in ball speed. Others have seen this as well... However, a lot of people have not seen this problem either. I’ve tested mine on a launch monitor multiple times against my G400 LST and 2016 TI M2(which is a high toe monster), and haven’t noticed anything. In the TXG video review of the F9 - “the f9 fastest driver ever tested” - Matt hits one 12mm high and 10mm toe, and Ian immediately responds that the high toe area is giving him freakishly good launch numbers and retaining good ball speed. I believe his spin was 2100 with 175bs. His bs is higher in an around the center though, however Ian notes that the driver is good on the toe. It could be that the f9 is inconsistent in the toe area, but I haven’t noticed it. I always seem to hit bombs with it on the toe.

>

> Basically, as with everything, it’s just good juju to test it out first. Everybody is going to have a different experience with the same club.

>

>

 

Not sure why I'm quoted as I don't know Gio and didn't reference anything other than my own experience with the club which echoes Crossfield's - I was glad when he said it because I was beginning to wonder about it.

[Joshzilla]

I've known Gio for years and we have had a ton of great conversations about pretty much every club and shaft out there.

[Joshzilla]

> @gioguy21 said:

> i think my F9 experiment run has come to an end. after playing with it on course the honeymoon stage is over and the REAL observations are starting to be more apparent.

> 1) it doesn't like to draw unless i put it in -1.5* loft; and when i do, obviously this comes out at a much lower launch window than i would prefer.

> 2) i have had some very odd shots come off the club after hitting it in the center (or very very very close to) - on good swings.

> 3) i've had some very bad shots that come off the club on no-so-good swings that i cannot live with; to include slight miss hits that go no where (all along bottom, not just center of face).

>

> * the ball speeds are still there when struck well - but those 3-4 shots a round it does what i don't expect it to or, are counter to what i'd expect to see with a given strike location -- i just can't keep it in the bag.

 

I hope I don't get to where you're at with this thing. Glad to see you say that it doesn't wanna draw. I draw more everything naturally except this driver. Hell, I can hook my F9 fairway off the planet if I'm not careful...but not the driver. Now don't get me wrong, I actually really like a fade. An intentional fade, that is. I've been surprised by a few with the F9 though expecting to see it turn over to the left mid-flight but seeing it go the other way instead.

 

All that being said, I'm not giving up on it yet. I'm going to check and double check my bodylines at address with the driver to be sure I'm not doing something stupid. I just have not seen the same gentle draw with the F9 that I did with the F8+ yet.

[gioguy21]

@Joshzilla been a long time my man. Dont give up on it, definitely a great club. I'm still gonna hold onto mine I think. I just need a bit more consistency with my quals coming up.

[Joshzilla]

> @gioguy21 said:

> @Joshzilla been a long time my man. Dont give up on it, definitely a great club. I'm still gonna hold onto mine I think. I just need a bit more consistency with my quals coming up.

 

Yeah man! I hope all is well your way.

 

And I'm not giving up yet. I really like it lots, but I just randomly picked up a Mizzy ST190G today and it sets down square more easily to my eye. Kinda how TMag drivers. Maybe it's just an optical illusion but the hosel/shaft/face angle have gotta look a certain way.

[jjmurry]

I know this sounds insane, but I was able to try the F9 9* head down at 7.5* and picked up 3-4 mph ball speed compared to my TS3 (same shaft in both AD IZ 7X). Swing speed was up marginally with the F9, but ball speed per trackman was bonkers. I did notice my rare toe miss hits went about 30 yards short and way left, but overall was pleased. Am I going crazy? 10+ yards compared to a TS3 with no effective change in dispersion....

[gioguy21]

> @jjmurry said:

> I know this sounds insane, but I was able to try the F9 9* head down at 7.5* and picked up 3-4 mph ball speed compared to my TS3 (same shaft in both AD IZ 7X). Swing speed was up marginally with the F9, but ball speed per trackman was bonkers. I did notice my rare toe miss hits went about 30 yards short and way left, but overall was pleased. Am I going crazy? 10+ yards compared to a TS3 with no effective change in dispersion....

 

it's not insane -- i got better ball speeds (2-4mph) in the F9 than i did over my OTR M3 460 head.

[Man_O_War]

hmm. haven't seen this toe issue at all. i have the 9 and tested the 10.5 which is now on BST. awesome driver heads. try hitting them in the middle :wink:

[Joshzilla]

> @jjmurry said:

> I know this sounds insane, but I was able to try the F9 9* head down at 7.5* and picked up 3-4 mph ball speed compared to my TS3 (same shaft in both AD IZ 7X). Swing speed was up marginally with the F9, but ball speed per trackman was bonkers. I did notice my rare toe miss hits went about 30 yards short and way left, but overall was pleased. Am I going crazy? 10+ yards compared to a TS3 with no effective change in dispersion....

I don't think it's crazy. I play at 8* and love it. I've tried taking it to 10* and it seems like I get shorter and dispersion is crazy. Granted when you increase loft you also increase spin, so to some degree all that makes sense. I haven't hit a TS3 but that seems to be in line with the random comparisons I've seen.