Sergio Garcia Match Play Tap-In

[nsxguy]

> @"Mr. Bean" said:

> > @antip said:

> > > @"Mr. Bean" said:

> > > > @Sawgrass said:

> > > > > @6Aces said:

> > > > > I have not read all 5 pages of responses so please forgive me if this idea has been previously mentioned.

> > > > > Rule 11.1b Exception 2 states that if a ball in motion accidentally hits any person, animal or movable obstruction ON the PUTTING GREEN, the stroke does NOT count and the original ball or another ball must be replaced on the original spot. After Sergio's missed putt lipped out, the ball hit his foot. Therefore, he could have replayed the short putt and tied the hole. Correct??

> > > >

> > > > I had not noticed that. But I just looked at a video, and you’re right. It seems evident that the ball hitting Sergio’s foot accidentally hit it (he only had that one foot on the ground so he couldn’t have easily avoided the contact.)

> > > >

> > > > Nice call! And surprising that this wasn’t noticed in all the hubbub.

> > >

> > > It seems that the referee in question has yet some learning to do about Rules... or needs (better) spectacles. After all, HE should have stepped up and correct the situation.

> >

> > I don't think that is a fair call. I suggest what we are picking up in a video some weeks down the track is detail that no-one was aware of at the time. Even if you asked Garcia now "did that ball hit your shoe before you intervened in its movement with your hand" he may not know the answer. I don't think the referee has anything to answer for on this issue.

> >

> Fair or not, it was his job to watch what happens. I bet he was simply stupified by Sergio missing his putt and missed the ball hitting Sergio's foot.

>

> I certainly agree that it would have been odd to let Sergio to cancel his careless stroke but as we lie today that is the Rule.

>

>

 

If the referee HAD seen the ball hit Sergio's foot, SHOULD he have said something to Sergio about it ? Could he have seen it hit Sergio's foot and he just kept his mouth shut because he wasn't asked ? Is he required to help correct affect the result if he can ?

 

Exactly what ARE the official's duties ?

[Sawgrass]

> @nsxguy said:

> > @"Mr. Bean" said:

> > > @antip said:

> > > > @"Mr. Bean" said:

> > > > > @Sawgrass said:

> > > > > > @6Aces said:

> > > > > > I have not read all 5 pages of responses so please forgive me if this idea has been previously mentioned.

> > > > > > Rule 11.1b Exception 2 states that if a ball in motion accidentally hits any person, animal or movable obstruction ON the PUTTING GREEN, the stroke does NOT count and the original ball or another ball must be replaced on the original spot. After Sergio's missed putt lipped out, the ball hit his foot. Therefore, he could have replayed the short putt and tied the hole. Correct??

> > > > >

> > > > > I had not noticed that. But I just looked at a video, and you’re right. It seems evident that the ball hitting Sergio’s foot accidentally hit it (he only had that one foot on the ground so he couldn’t have easily avoided the contact.)

> > > > >

> > > > > Nice call! And surprising that this wasn’t noticed in all the hubbub.

> > > >

> > > > It seems that the referee in question has yet some learning to do about Rules... or needs (better) spectacles. After all, HE should have stepped up and correct the situation.

> > >

> > > I don't think that is a fair call. I suggest what we are picking up in a video some weeks down the track is detail that no-one was aware of at the time. Even if you asked Garcia now "did that ball hit your shoe before you intervened in its movement with your hand" he may not know the answer. I don't think the referee has anything to answer for on this issue.

> > >

> > Fair or not, it was his job to watch what happens. I bet he was simply stupified by Sergio missing his putt and missed the ball hitting Sergio's foot.

> >

> > I certainly agree that it would have been odd to let Sergio to cancel his careless stroke but as we lie today that is the Rule.

> >

> >

>

> If the referee HAD seen the ball hit Sergio's foot, SHOULD he have said something to Sergio about it ? Could he have seen it hit Sergio's foot and he just kept his mouth shut because he wasn't asked ? Is he required to help correct affect the result if he can ?

>

> Exactly what ARE the official's duties ?

 

If the ref is not assigned to the group (just roving), he must not interfere over a matter like this. If the ref is assigned to the group, he must enforce the rules to the best of his ability.

[nsxguy]

> @Sawgrass said:

> > @nsxguy said:

> > > @"Mr. Bean" said:

> > > > @antip said:

> > > > > @"Mr. Bean" said:

> > > > > > @Sawgrass said:

> > > > > > > @6Aces said:

> > > > > > > I have not read all 5 pages of responses so please forgive me if this idea has been previously mentioned.

> > > > > > > Rule 11.1b Exception 2 states that if a ball in motion accidentally hits any person, animal or movable obstruction ON the PUTTING GREEN, the stroke does NOT count and the original ball or another ball must be replaced on the original spot. After Sergio's missed putt lipped out, the ball hit his foot. Therefore, he could have replayed the short putt and tied the hole. Correct??

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I had not noticed that. But I just looked at a video, and you’re right. It seems evident that the ball hitting Sergio’s foot accidentally hit it (he only had that one foot on the ground so he couldn’t have easily avoided the contact.)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nice call! And surprising that this wasn’t noticed in all the hubbub.

> > > > >

> > > > > It seems that the referee in question has yet some learning to do about Rules... or needs (better) spectacles. After all, HE should have stepped up and correct the situation.

> > > >

> > > > I don't think that is a fair call. I suggest what we are picking up in a video some weeks down the track is detail that no-one was aware of at the time. Even if you asked Garcia now "did that ball hit your shoe before you intervened in its movement with your hand" he may not know the answer. I don't think the referee has anything to answer for on this issue.

> > > >

> > > Fair or not, it was his job to watch what happens. I bet he was simply stupified by Sergio missing his putt and missed the ball hitting Sergio's foot.

> > >

> > > I certainly agree that it would have been odd to let Sergio to cancel his careless stroke but as we lie today that is the Rule.

> > >

> > >

> >

> > **If the referee HAD seen the ball hit Sergio's foot, SHOULD he have said something to Sergio about it ? Could he have seen it hit Sergio's foot and he just kept his mouth shut because he wasn't asked ? Is he required to help correct affect the result if he can ?**

> >

> > Exactly what ARE the official's duties ?

>

> If the ref is not assigned to the group (just roving), he must not interfere over a matter like this. If the ref is assigned to the group, he must enforce the rules to the best of his ability.

 

Running for office are we ? LOL

 

You answered (I guess) the last question.

 

What about the other 3 ? Both IF he's "assigned" or IF he's "roving" ?

 

TIA

[sui generis]

> @nsxguy said:

> > @"Mr. Bean" said:

> > > @antip said:

> > > > @"Mr. Bean" said:

> > > > > @Sawgrass said:

> > > > > > @6Aces said:

> > > > > > I have not read all 5 pages of responses so please forgive me if this idea has been previously mentioned.

> > > > > > Rule 11.1b Exception 2 states that if a ball in motion accidentally hits any person, animal or movable obstruction ON the PUTTING GREEN, the stroke does NOT count and the original ball or another ball must be replaced on the original spot. After Sergio's missed putt lipped out, the ball hit his foot. Therefore, he could have replayed the short putt and tied the hole. Correct??

> > > > >

> > > > > I had not noticed that. But I just looked at a video, and you’re right. It seems evident that the ball hitting Sergio’s foot accidentally hit it (he only had that one foot on the ground so he couldn’t have easily avoided the contact.)

> > > > >

> > > > > Nice call! And surprising that this wasn’t noticed in all the hubbub.

> > > >

> > > > It seems that the referee in question has yet some learning to do about Rules... or needs (better) spectacles. After all, HE should have stepped up and correct the situation.

> > >

> > > I don't think that is a fair call. I suggest what we are picking up in a video some weeks down the track is detail that no-one was aware of at the time. Even if you asked Garcia now "did that ball hit your shoe before you intervened in its movement with your hand" he may not know the answer. I don't think the referee has anything to answer for on this issue.

> > >

> > Fair or not, it was his job to watch what happens. I bet he was simply stupified by Sergio missing his putt and missed the ball hitting Sergio's foot.

> >

> > I certainly agree that it would have been odd to let Sergio to cancel his careless stroke but as we lie today that is the Rule.

> >

> >

>

> If the referee HAD seen the ball hit Sergio's foot, SHOULD he have said something to Sergio about it ? Could he have seen it hit Sergio's foot and he just kept his mouth shut because he wasn't asked ? Is he required to help correct affect the result if he can ?

>

> Exactly what ARE the official's duties ?

 

From Definitions: Referee - An official named by the Committee to decide questions of fact and apply the Rules. The only time a referee is not able to apply the Rules is in match play when he or she is not assigned to a match.

 

See Committee Procedures 6c2:

 

http://www.usga.org/content/usga/home-page/rules/rules-2019/rules-of-golf/rules-and-interpretations.html#!ruletype=cp&section=rule&rulenum=6&subrulenum=3

[Mr. Bean]

> @nsxguy said:

> > @Sawgrass said:

> > > @nsxguy said:

> > > > @"Mr. Bean" said:

> > > > > @antip said:

> > > > > > @"Mr. Bean" said:

> > > > > > > @Sawgrass said:

> > > > > > > > @6Aces said:

> > > > > > > > I have not read all 5 pages of responses so please forgive me if this idea has been previously mentioned.

> > > > > > > > Rule 11.1b Exception 2 states that if a ball in motion accidentally hits any person, animal or movable obstruction ON the PUTTING GREEN, the stroke does NOT count and the original ball or another ball must be replaced on the original spot. After Sergio's missed putt lipped out, the ball hit his foot. Therefore, he could have replayed the short putt and tied the hole. Correct??

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I had not noticed that. But I just looked at a video, and you’re right. It seems evident that the ball hitting Sergio’s foot accidentally hit it (he only had that one foot on the ground so he couldn’t have easily avoided the contact.)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nice call! And surprising that this wasn’t noticed in all the hubbub.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It seems that the referee in question has yet some learning to do about Rules... or needs (better) spectacles. After all, HE should have stepped up and correct the situation.

> > > > >

> > > > > I don't think that is a fair call. I suggest what we are picking up in a video some weeks down the track is detail that no-one was aware of at the time. Even if you asked Garcia now "did that ball hit your shoe before you intervened in its movement with your hand" he may not know the answer. I don't think the referee has anything to answer for on this issue.

> > > > >

> > > > Fair or not, it was his job to watch what happens. I bet he was simply stupified by Sergio missing his putt and missed the ball hitting Sergio's foot.

> > > >

> > > > I certainly agree that it would have been odd to let Sergio to cancel his careless stroke but as we lie today that is the Rule.

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > **If the referee HAD seen the ball hit Sergio's foot, SHOULD he have said something to Sergio about it ? Could he have seen it hit Sergio's foot and he just kept his mouth shut because he wasn't asked ? Is he required to help correct affect the result if he can ?**

> > >

> > > Exactly what ARE the official's duties ?

> >

> > If the ref is not assigned to the group (just roving), he must not interfere over a matter like this. If the ref is assigned to the group, he must enforce the rules to the best of his ability.

>

> Running for office are we ? LOL

>

> You answered (I guess) the last question.

>

> What about the other 3 ? Both IF he's "assigned" or IF he's "roving" ?

>

> TIA

 

I will answer the first three (although Sawgrass did already answer those):

If he is not assigned: No. Yes. No.

If he is assigned (as I thought was the case): Yes. No. Yes.

[Sawgrass]

> @"Mr. Bean" said:

> > @nsxguy said:

> > > @Sawgrass said:

> > > > @nsxguy said:

> > > > > @"Mr. Bean" said:

> > > > > > @antip said:

> > > > > > > @"Mr. Bean" said:

> > > > > > > > @Sawgrass said:

> > > > > > > > > @6Aces said:

> > > > > > > > > I have not read all 5 pages of responses so please forgive me if this idea has been previously mentioned.

> > > > > > > > > Rule 11.1b Exception 2 states that if a ball in motion accidentally hits any person, animal or movable obstruction ON the PUTTING GREEN, the stroke does NOT count and the original ball or another ball must be replaced on the original spot. After Sergio's missed putt lipped out, the ball hit his foot. Therefore, he could have replayed the short putt and tied the hole. Correct??

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I had not noticed that. But I just looked at a video, and you’re right. It seems evident that the ball hitting Sergio’s foot accidentally hit it (he only had that one foot on the ground so he couldn’t have easily avoided the contact.)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nice call! And surprising that this wasn’t noticed in all the hubbub.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It seems that the referee in question has yet some learning to do about Rules... or needs (better) spectacles. After all, HE should have stepped up and correct the situation.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I don't think that is a fair call. I suggest what we are picking up in a video some weeks down the track is detail that no-one was aware of at the time. Even if you asked Garcia now "did that ball hit your shoe before you intervened in its movement with your hand" he may not know the answer. I don't think the referee has anything to answer for on this issue.

> > > > > >

> > > > > Fair or not, it was his job to watch what happens. I bet he was simply stupified by Sergio missing his putt and missed the ball hitting Sergio's foot.

> > > > >

> > > > > I certainly agree that it would have been odd to let Sergio to cancel his careless stroke but as we lie today that is the Rule.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > **If the referee HAD seen the ball hit Sergio's foot, SHOULD he have said something to Sergio about it ? Could he have seen it hit Sergio's foot and he just kept his mouth shut because he wasn't asked ? Is he required to help correct affect the result if he can ?**

> > > >

> > > > Exactly what ARE the official's duties ?

> > >

> > > If the ref is not assigned to the group (just roving), he must not interfere over a matter like this. If the ref is assigned to the group, he must enforce the rules to the best of his ability.

> >

> > Running for office are we ? LOL

> >

> > You answered (I guess) the last question.

> >

> > What about the other 3 ? Both IF he's "assigned" or IF he's "roving" ?

> >

> > TIA

>

> I will answer the first three (although Sawgrass did already answer those):

> If he is not assigned: No. Yes. No.

> If he is assigned (as I thought was the case): Yes. No. Yes.

 

I thought that my base answer led to all the rest of the answers. I wasn't obfuscating, not even sure why that would be considered. But I like, and agree with, Bean's answers too.

[nsxguy]

> @"Mr. Bean" said:

> > @nsxguy said:

> > > @Sawgrass said:

> > > > @nsxguy said:

> > > > > @"Mr. Bean" said:

> > > > > > @antip said:

> > > > > > > @"Mr. Bean" said:

> > > > > > > > @Sawgrass said:

> > > > > > > > > @6Aces said:

> > > > > > > > > I have not read all 5 pages of responses so please forgive me if this idea has been previously mentioned.

> > > > > > > > > Rule 11.1b Exception 2 states that if a ball in motion accidentally hits any person, animal or movable obstruction ON the PUTTING GREEN, the stroke does NOT count and the original ball or another ball must be replaced on the original spot. After Sergio's missed putt lipped out, the ball hit his foot. Therefore, he could have replayed the short putt and tied the hole. Correct??

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I had not noticed that. But I just looked at a video, and you’re right. It seems evident that the ball hitting Sergio’s foot accidentally hit it (he only had that one foot on the ground so he couldn’t have easily avoided the contact.)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nice call! And surprising that this wasn’t noticed in all the hubbub.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It seems that the referee in question has yet some learning to do about Rules... or needs (better) spectacles. After all, HE should have stepped up and correct the situation.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I don't think that is a fair call. I suggest what we are picking up in a video some weeks down the track is detail that no-one was aware of at the time. Even if you asked Garcia now "did that ball hit your shoe before you intervened in its movement with your hand" he may not know the answer. I don't think the referee has anything to answer for on this issue.

> > > > > >

> > > > > Fair or not, it was his job to watch what happens. I bet he was simply stupified by Sergio missing his putt and missed the ball hitting Sergio's foot.

> > > > >

> > > > > I certainly agree that it would have been odd to let Sergio to cancel his careless stroke but as we lie today that is the Rule.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > **If the referee HAD seen the ball hit Sergio's foot, SHOULD he have said something to Sergio about it ? Could he have seen it hit Sergio's foot and he just kept his mouth shut because he wasn't asked ? Is he required to help correct affect the result if he can ?**

> > > >

> > > > Exactly what ARE the official's duties ?

> > >

> > > If the ref is not assigned to the group (just roving), he must not interfere over a matter like this. If the ref is assigned to the group, he must enforce the rules to the best of his ability.

> >

> > Running for office are we ? LOL

> >

> > You answered (I guess) the last question.

> >

> > What about the other 3 ? Both IF he's "assigned" or IF he's "roving" ?

> >

> > TIA

>

> I will answer the first three (although Sawgrass did already answer those):

> If he is not assigned: No. Yes. No.

> If he is assigned (as I thought was the case): Yes. No. Yes.

 

Thank you very much. Very interesting.