Rate these irons in terms of forgiveness:

[asumnerdawg]

Ping i210

Ping i500

Ping i200

Z785

Z585

AP2 718

Cobra Forged TEC

[JDubya89]

Just my opinion, but I have hit all of those and would rank as follows from most to least forgiving:

1. Cobra forged Tec

2. Ping I500

3. Z585

4. Ping i210/i200 (no difference in forgiveness)

5. AP2

6. Z785

[chigolfer1]

> @asumnerdawg said:

> Ping i210

> Ping i500

> Ping i200

> Z785

> Z585

> AP2 718

> Cobra Forged TEC

 

Have you looked at the maltby guide? Even if you don't agree with his "rating," he provides pure data on MOI and COG

[LeoLeo99]

> @JDubya89 said:

> Just my opinion, but I have hit all of those and would rank as follows from most to least forgiving:

> 1. Cobra forged Tec

> 2. Ping I500

> 3. Z585

> 4. Ping i210/i200 (no difference in forgiveness)

> 5. AP2

> 6. Z785

 

I'm not familiar with the forged tec but I concur with this list.

[Chuck905]

Wow. If you cannot find the ball with the 585, seriously; quit the game.

 

This is stupid.

[dmeeksDC]

Cannot just go by COG. Some low COG irons hurt distance because the low COG makes them launch higher. Yes, that is a “forgiveness” factor. But launching higher is not always better depending on the golfer.

I would rank the 585 as most forgiving on this list due to v-sole, followed closely by the Forged Tec.

I find the Ping 200/210 series more forgiving than the i500, which has less offset and my tendency is leaving the face open at impact so moderate offset helps. Not a fan of the i500. The 200/210 sound and feel better too.

The 785 and AP2 would be least forgiving on this list but both are pretty playable.

 

[apex17]

Funny that some say the Z785s are not that forgiving. I guess for me they were. I was just fit for them an hit them better than the Z585s, I was expecting to walk out with a combo set, I ended up with 5-GW in the Z785s and Z u85 4 iron.

[cgasucks]

> @Chuck905 said:

> Wow. If you cannot find the ball with the 585, seriously; quit the game.

>

> This is stupid.

 

If you can't find the ball with the 2017 King Cobra Oversized Irons then golf isn't for you. When I first saw them on the racks at my local Golftown I thought it was an all hybrid set.

[chigolfer1]

> @dmeeksDC said:

> Cannot just go by COG. Some low COG irons hurt distance because the low COG makes them launch higher. Yes, that is a “forgiveness” factor. But launching higher is not always better depending on the golfer.

> I would rank the 585 as most forgiving on this list due to v-sole, followed closely by the Forged Tec.

> I find the Ping 200/210 series more forgiving than the i500, which has less offset and my tendency is leaving the face open at impact so moderate offset helps. Not a fan of the i500. The 200/210 sound and feel better too.

> The 785 and AP2 would be least forgiving on this list but both are pretty playable.

>

 

Interesting. What does the MOI do for an iron as far as "forgiveness", flight, etc.?

[gvogel]

> @chigolfer1 said:

> > @asumnerdawg said:

> > Ping i210

> > Ping i500

> > Ping i200

> > Z785

> > Z585

> > AP2 718

> > Cobra Forged TEC

>

> Have you looked at the maltby guide? Even if you don't agree with his "rating," he provides pure data on MOI and COG

 

According to Maltby Playability Factor:

Z585 - 504

i200 - 474

Cobra - 415

AP2 - 413

Z785 - 402

i210 - 338

i500 - 188

[gvogel]

According to Maltby MOI:

 

i500 - 15.680

i210 - 14.957

AP2 - 14.768

i200 - 14.296

Cobra - 13.51

Z585 - 13.226

Z785 - 13.089

 

[Nessism]

Forget Playability Factor, look at MOI, and temper that with the sole grind you prefer.

 

i500 - 15.68

i210 - 14.96

AP2 718 - 14.77

i200 - 14.30

Cobra Forged TEC - 13.44

Z585 - 13.22

Z785 - 13.09

 

 

[chigolfer1]

> @Nessism said:

> Forget Playability Factor, look at MOI, and temper that with the sole grind you prefer.

>

> i500 - 15.68

> i210 - 14.96

> AP2 718 - 14.77

> i200 - 14.30

> Cobra Forged TEC - 13.44

> Z585 - 13.22

> Z785 - 13.09

>

>

 

What does MOI do for a club and the playability?

[PixlPutterman]

Why aren't HiBore Irons a choice? ;)

[Nessism]

> @chigolfer1 said:

> > @Nessism said:

> > Forget Playability Factor, look at MOI, and temper that with the sole grind you prefer.

> >

> > i500 - 15.68

> > i210 - 14.96

> > AP2 718 - 14.77

> > i200 - 14.30

> > Cobra Forged TEC - 13.44

> > Z585 - 13.22

> > Z785 - 13.09

> >

> >

>

> What does MOI do for a club and the playability?

 

MOI reduces the tendency for the club to twist when contact is off the center of gravity of the head, such as out on the toe, so more energy is transferred to the ball.

[chigolfer1]

> @Nessism said:

> > @chigolfer1 said:

> > > @Nessism said:

> > > Forget Playability Factor, look at MOI, and temper that with the sole grind you prefer.

> > >

> > > i500 - 15.68

> > > i210 - 14.96

> > > AP2 718 - 14.77

> > > i200 - 14.30

> > > Cobra Forged TEC - 13.44

> > > Z585 - 13.22

> > > Z785 - 13.09

> > >

> > >

> >

> > What does MOI do for a club and the playability?

>

> MOI reduces the tendency for the club to twist when contact is off the center of gravity of the head, such as out on the toe, so more energy is transferred to the ball.

 

Got it and thanks! These maltby ratings and the differences of opinion on COG vs. MOI are really enlightening.

[gvogel]

> @Nessism said:

> Forget Playability Factor, look at MOI, and temper that with the sole grind you prefer.

>

> i500 - 15.68

> i210 - 14.96

> AP2 718 - 14.77

> i200 - 14.30

> Cobra Forged TEC - 13.44

> Z585 - 13.22

> Z785 - 13.09

>

>

 

IT is interesting to me that the 718 AP1 has an MOI of 14.60, while the AP2 has an MOI of 14.77. You would think that it would be the other way around.

[chigolfer1]

> @gvogel said:

> > @Nessism said:

> > Forget Playability Factor, look at MOI, and temper that with the sole grind you prefer.

> >

> > i500 - 15.68

> > i210 - 14.96

> > AP2 718 - 14.77

> > i200 - 14.30

> > Cobra Forged TEC - 13.44

> > Z585 - 13.22

> > Z785 - 13.09

> >

> >

>

> IT is interesting to me that the 718 AP1 has an MOI of 14.60, while the AP2 has an MOI of 14.77. You would think that it would be the other way around.

 

Well AP1 has lower VCOG:

 

AP1

VCOG: .755

 

AP2

VCOG: .803

 

But that doesn't seem like that much of a difference to account for a maltby rating of 813 for the 1s and 508 for the 2s.

 

BUT, the MOI CF is 29 for the 1s and 15 for the 2. First of all, what is that? The MOI in the center of the face? Two, why is that so important and, apparently, it almost accounts for all of the huge difference in Maltby rating?

 

edit: wait a second, the MOI CF for Ping 410s is 0? I don't get it then why the AP2 is rated so much lower than the AP1 in Maltby playability

[SwingBlade]

Maltby rated the TM P730’s at an MPF of 15. That just illustrates the severe rigidity of his system and why sometimes a given MPF rating seems quite logical while at other times it misses the mark by a mile becoming completely irrelevant or meaningless. This is particularly true of players cb’s and blades.