Jump to content
2024 Houston Open WITB Photos ×

Putter for fast, grainy greens


jh19

Recommended Posts

New home course, new greens, new putting woes! Any suggestions for a putter for some slick bermuda greens? I'm currently using a TP Mills Klassic, after I was frustrated with my PXG Brandon. Had great success with my Brandon on my old greens.

 

Worst I've ever putted in my career, need some help! I'm thinking something counterbalanced?

 

Ping G430 10.5 1k blue 65x
Titleist TS2 16.5* DI7x

Titleist TS2 21* DI8x
Ping Blueprint 4-PW x100
Ping Glide Forged Raw 52/56/60*

LAB DF3 Counter
 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

It may be worth a try with the heavy weights in the Brandon. This may smooth out your swing for the fast greens and loft of that putter should work well with the Bermuda greens. Good luck.

PXG  9* 0811 X  Hazardous Smoke Yellow 60g Stiff

Wishon 929HS 3W  Wishon Black 65g Stiff

Wishon 929HS 7W  Wishon Black 65g R 

PXG 0211 5i DG 105 Regular

Wishon 575MMC  5 - AW  Wishon Superlight Stiff

Ping Glide 3.0  54*  KBS 610 Stiff shaft

Ping Glide 3.0  60*  Z-115 Wedge shaft

PING Anser 3 Goose Neck Putter   

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Putting on slick bermuda greens is just very, very difficult, and probably not about which putter you use. Downhill, down grain putts can get away from you so easily, and the speed difference coming back into the grain can be really frustrating. I've found that the difference from one set of bermuda greens to another can be huge; some places grain is a huge deal, other places it barely matters. If you've been playing on bent grass greens, putting on slick bermuda is just a much different thing, and there are putts on which you have to be VERY defensive. The irony is that if the greens are slower, typically the grain becomes much more influential on what happens to the putt as it slows down.

That's not a good answer for what you are asking, I know. But I just think it's a different type of putting, no matter what putter you use. I've never been a fan of the idea of heavier vs. lighter putters according to green speeds anyway; it takes away from feel.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

get yourself a milled mallet - with low or virtually no milling.

 

due to the shape - it makes the putter 'feel' softer; even if the milling is flat/smooth and the head has enough MOI to keep it relatively stable thru impact. i've always putted better on grainy greens with mallets - so, this is based on personal experience. YRMV

  • Like 1

PING G430 LST / 9* (dialed to 10.5*) / HZRDUS Smoke Green 60 6.5

Dark Speed LS / 3w (dialed to 15.5*) / Denali Blue 70TX

Mizuno Pro 24 Fli-Hi / 3i / HZRDUS Smoke Black RDX 100 6.5
Mizuno Pro 245 / 4-GW / KBS Tour X

SM9 Black / 54,58 / KBS Tour S+

____________________________________________

Odyssey AI-ONE 7CH 35”

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Funny, I was talking to my golf buddies and told them I was going to get a counter balanced mallet next! Makes the most sense to me.

 

I've been putting on bent, so I need to start paying more attention to the grain, still not use to that yet.

 

Ping G430 10.5 1k blue 65x
Titleist TS2 16.5* DI7x

Titleist TS2 21* DI8x
Ping Blueprint 4-PW x100
Ping Glide Forged Raw 52/56/60*

LAB DF3 Counter
 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

There is a certain element of how each putter rolls the ball. Grainy Bermuda can absolutely take the ball off line. And some putters will put a better roll on the ball , whether through face tech or just a better loft fit. Going from bent to Bermuda isn’t as simple as “ hit it softer”. Hit it softer uphill and you’ve got 12 feet left for par. Breathe on it coming downhill and it’s 12 ft coming back for par. I know that and still haven’t mastered those damn greens. Not even close. I’ve read and heard many bogey golfers say “ that type green isn’t that hard “. Sure. I can 3 putt them too. But if you’re talking making 1 putts it’s a whole different ballgame.

Callaway epic max LS 9* GD-M9003 7x 

TM Sim2 max tour  16* GD  ADHD 8x 

srixon zx 19* elements 9F5T 

Cobra king SZ 25.5* KBS TD cat 5 70 

TM p7mc 5-pw Mmt125tx 

Mizuno T22 raw 52-56-60 s400

LAB Mezz Max armlock 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

> @bladehunter said:

> There is a certain element of how each putter rolls the ball. Grainy Bermuda can absolutely take the ball off line. And some putters will put a better roll on the ball , whether through face tech or just a better loft fit. Going from bent to Bermuda isn’t as simple as “ hit it softer”. Hit it softer uphill and you’ve got 12 feet left for par. Breathe on it coming downhill and it’s 12 ft coming back for par. I know that and still haven’t mastered those **** greens. Not even close. I’ve read and heard many bogey golfers say “ that type green isn’t that hard “. Sure. I can 3 putt them too. But if you’re talking making 1 putts it’s a whole different ballgame.

 

He said fast greens not uphill putts. We live in the same area and there’s not many if any bent greens left that I can think of. However there’s plenty courses with some sort of Bermuda or the growing in popularity diamond zoysia. I much prefer Bermuda and the grainier the better but use the same putter for both.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

How many 1 putts do you have a round ? Say at village. That’s the greens he’s talking about. Part of the issue is the grain into and away. Sometimes a putter that moves the ball farther with less stroke works better. You have to put less hit into it to hold the line. Curious. What putter do yo use ?

 

Zoysia is by far the worst putting surface to learn speed on ice ever seen. I hate links o tryon and river falls for that very reason. Like putting on Velcro with a Velcro ball.

  • Like 1

Callaway epic max LS 9* GD-M9003 7x 

TM Sim2 max tour  16* GD  ADHD 8x 

srixon zx 19* elements 9F5T 

Cobra king SZ 25.5* KBS TD cat 5 70 

TM p7mc 5-pw Mmt125tx 

Mizuno T22 raw 52-56-60 s400

LAB Mezz Max armlock 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

> @bladehunter said:

> How many 1 putts do you have a round ? Say at village. That’s the greens he’s talking about. Part of the issue is the grain into and away. As in speed.

 

That’s a hard stat to track and I think it matters if it’s to save par or for birdie or better. Those greens are some of the grainiest at their peak but like other courses they can be faster when they’re dormant (same with zoysia). I have however played village in the summer with the greens in optimum condition and fast. The front right hole position on hole 1 can make it easily possible to putt a short putt off the green and it’s not a super severe slope. Of course when Bermuda greens are super fast I don’t think grain matters as much as when they’re at an average speed in which case you know shiny is down grain and dull is into. After that it just takes practice to allow for the dying break or a little more run out.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

> @BiggErn said:

> > @bladehunter said:

> > How many 1 putts do you have a round ? Say at village. That’s the greens he’s talking about. Part of the issue is the grain into and away. As in speed.

>

> That’s a hard stat to track and I think it matters if it’s to save par or for birdie or better. Those greens are some of the grainiest at their peak but like other courses they can be faster when they’re dormant (same with zoysia). I have however played village in the summer with the greens in optimum condition and fast. The front right hole position on hole 1 can make it easily possible to putt a short putt off the green and it’s not a super severe slope. Of course when Bermuda greens are super fast I don’t think grain matters as much as when they’re at an average speed in which case you know shiny is down grain and dull is into. After that it just takes practice to allow for the dying break or a little more run out.

 

All true. It’s such a multi faceted deal. And like you said. Those greens change with moisture, temp, and time of year about 12 different versions. Wasn’t really trying to argue. I just share the OPs frustration.

Callaway epic max LS 9* GD-M9003 7x 

TM Sim2 max tour  16* GD  ADHD 8x 

srixon zx 19* elements 9F5T 

Cobra king SZ 25.5* KBS TD cat 5 70 

TM p7mc 5-pw Mmt125tx 

Mizuno T22 raw 52-56-60 s400

LAB Mezz Max armlock 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

The best thing for Bermuda is to just practice until you get the hang of it. I see lines better and make more putts on Bermuda then I do bent but I’ve also putted on Bermuda most of my 4-5 yrs of playing.

TSR3 9 | VentusTR Blue 7x

Paradym 3W | S 83tx

Covert 5W | S 103 x

716 MB 4-P | PX 6.5

MG3 52 | S400

MG4 56 | S400

SM8 60 |S400

Phantom 5.5 

Z-star XV

Link to comment
Share on other sites

> @bladehunter said:

> > @BiggErn said:

> > > @bladehunter said:

> > > How many 1 putts do you have a round ? Say at village. That’s the greens he’s talking about. Part of the issue is the grain into and away. As in speed.

> >

> > That’s a hard stat to track and I think it matters if it’s to save par or for birdie or better. Those greens are some of the grainiest at their peak but like other courses they can be faster when they’re dormant (same with zoysia). I have however played village in the summer with the greens in optimum condition and fast. The front right hole position on hole 1 can make it easily possible to putt a short putt off the green and it’s not a super severe slope. Of course when Bermuda greens are super fast I don’t think grain matters as much as when they’re at an average speed in which case you know shiny is down grain and dull is into. After that it just takes practice to allow for the dying break or a little more run out.

>

> All true. It’s such a multi faceted deal. And like you said. Those greens change with moisture, temp, and time of year about 12 different versions. Wasn’t really trying to argue. I just share the OPs frustration.

 

I get it I just don’t think a certain putter matters.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Not sure I can relate to all of the details above, but generally speaking I've found greater success with very light putters on faster greens. Specifically early model PING manganese bronze putters, probably in the 315 gram head weight range, if that.

  • Like 1

PING i20 10.5*

Adams a7 19*, 22*

Maltby TS3 Forged 5-9

Vokey SM7 46F, 52F, 58M

PING BeCu Anser

Srixon QST

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Your new to the course, how about some practice and getting used to them?

Im a ho like the next guy but come on lol

Taylormade Sim 9° (set to 7°) - Fuji 53k X 

Cobra Rad Speed Tour 5 Wood 16° - Speeder 757 Evo TS X

Mizuno MP Fli Hi 18° - C Taper 125 S+
Mizuno MP Fli Hi 23° - C Taper 120 S
Srixon z785 5-PW - KBS TourV X

Cleveland ZipCore 50° - Tour S400
Ping Glide Pro Forged 54°/ Eye Toe 59°  - Tour S400
Seemore mFGP2 
Podcast - "Rough Fairways - A Journey to the PGA Tour" available on Spotify - Pandora - Apple

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Well, I've been there about a year now, so something should have clicked by now! LOL

 

Update, broke down and bought an arm lock, shot 69 with 26 putts, very pleased. Greens were slow, so really struggled with the speed, thinking once they get quick, I should have some success!

 

Ping G430 10.5 1k blue 65x
Titleist TS2 16.5* DI7x

Titleist TS2 21* DI8x
Ping Blueprint 4-PW x100
Ping Glide Forged Raw 52/56/60*

LAB DF3 Counter
 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Putter for fast grainy greens..... I think I'd go with Ben Crenshaw.

 

 

But seriously, grain is all about reading the grain, which I can't help you with because I $uck at it, badly so. However, I do have a suggestion for the speed issue, if you haven't tried this. When the greens, or a specific downhiller is really fast, I hit the putt out on the toe. This softens the impact and allows a longer, more affirmative "stroke" through impact which I find helps get the ball rolling on line.

I apologize if this is so elementary that it shouldn't have even been brought up, but I often forget to do it. When I remember, it helps quite a bit.

Best of luck.

(I hate grain)

FORE RIGHT!!!!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I find that I modify my stroke a tad on faster greens, I seem to get a touch more "pop strokey" on faster greens

Taylormade Sim 9° (set to 7°) - Fuji 53k X 

Cobra Rad Speed Tour 5 Wood 16° - Speeder 757 Evo TS X

Mizuno MP Fli Hi 18° - C Taper 125 S+
Mizuno MP Fli Hi 23° - C Taper 120 S
Srixon z785 5-PW - KBS TourV X

Cleveland ZipCore 50° - Tour S400
Ping Glide Pro Forged 54°/ Eye Toe 59°  - Tour S400
Seemore mFGP2 
Podcast - "Rough Fairways - A Journey to the PGA Tour" available on Spotify - Pandora - Apple

Link to comment
Share on other sites

> @Lodestone said:

> Putter for fast grainy greens..... I think I'd go with Ben Crenshaw.

>

>

> But seriously, grain is all about reading the grain, which I can't help you with because I $uck at it, badly so. However, I do have a suggestion for the speed issue, if you haven't tried this. When the greens, or a specific downhiller is really fast, I hit the putt out on the toe. This softens the impact and allows a longer, more affirmative "stroke" through impact which I find helps get the ball rolling on line.

> I apologize if this is so elementary that it shouldn't have even been brought up, but I often forget to do it. When I remember, it helps quite a bit.

> Best of luck.

> (I hate grain)

 

There's nothing elementary about your advice. It's a good technique that works.

However, if anyone is good enough to hit a putt out of toe and keep it online they are good enough to realize they don't need to change the putter they are using just because they're on Bermuda grass.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
  • Our picks

    • 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open - Discussion and links to Photos
      Please put any questions or Comments here
       
       
       
      General Albums
       
      2024 Texas Children's Houston Open - Monday #1
      2024 Texas Children's Houston Open - Monday #2
      2024 Texas Children's Houston Open - Tuesday #1
      2024 Texas Children's Houston Open - Tuesday #2
      2024 Texas Children's Houston Open - Tuesday #3
       
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
      Thorbjorn Olesen - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Ben Silverman - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Jesse Droemer - SoTX PGA Section POY - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      David Lipsky - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Martin Trainer - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Zac Blair - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Jacob Bridgeman - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Trace Crowe - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Jimmy Walker - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Daniel Berger - WITB(very mini) - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Chesson Hadley - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Callum McNeill - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Rhein Gibson - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Patrick Fishburn - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Peter Malnati - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Raul Pereda - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Gary Woodland WITB (New driver, iron shafts) – 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Padraig Harrington WITB – 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
       
       
       
       
      Pullout Albums
       
      Tom Hoge's custom Cameron - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Cameron putter - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Piretti putters - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Ping putter - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Kevin Dougherty's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Bettinardi putter - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Cameron putter - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Erik Barnes testing an all-black Axis1 putter – 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Tony Finau's new driver shaft – 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
       
       
       
       
       
      • 9 replies
    • 2024 Valspar Championship WITB Photos (Thanks to bvmagic)- Discussion & Links to Photos
      This weeks WITB Pics are from member bvmagic (Brian). Brian's first event for WRX was in 2008 at Bayhill while in college. Thanks so much bv.
       
      Please put your comments or question on this thread. Links to all the threads are below...
       
       
       
       
        • Like
      • 31 replies
    • 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational - Discussion and Links to Photos
      Please put any questions or comments here
       
       
       
      General Albums
       
      2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational - Monday #1
      2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational - Monday #2
      2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational - Monday #3
       
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
      Matt (LFG) Every - WITB - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
      Sahith Theegala - WITB - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
       
       
       
       
       
      Pullout Albums
       
      New Cameron putters (and new "LD" grip) - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
      New Bettinardi MB & CB irons - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
      Custom Bettinardi API putter cover - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
      Custom Swag API covers - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
      New Golf Pride Reverse Taper grips - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
        • Like
      • 15 replies
    • 2024 Cognizant Classic - Discussion and Links to Photos
      Please put any questions or comments here
       
       
       
       
      General Albums
       
      2024 Cognizant Classic - Monday #1
      2024 Cognizant Classic - Monday #2
      2024 Cognizant Classic - Monday #3
      2024 Cognizant Classic - Monday #4
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
      Brandt Snedeker - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Max Greyserman - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Eric Cole - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Carl Yuan - WITb - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Russell Henley - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Justin Sun - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Alex Noren - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Shane Lowry - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Taylor Montgomery - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Jake Knapp (KnappTime_ltd) - WITB - - 2024 Cognizant Classic
       
       
       
      Pullout Albums
       
      New Super Stoke Pistol Lock 1.0 & 2.0 grips - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      LA Golf new insert putter - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      New Garsen Quad Tour 15 grip - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      New Swag covers - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Jacob Bridgeman's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Bud Cauley's custom Cameron putters - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Ryo Hisatsune's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Chris Kirk - new black Callaway Apex CB irons and a few Odyssey putters - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Alejandro Tosti's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Cognizant Classic
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
        • Like
      • 2 replies
    • 2024 Genesis Invitational - Discussion and Links to Photos
      Please put any questions or comments here
       
       
       
      General Albums
       
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Monday #1
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Monday #2
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Tuesday #1
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Tuesday #2
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Tuesday #3
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Tuesday #4
       
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
      Rory McIlroy - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Sepp Straka - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Patrick Rodgers - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Brendon Todd - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Denny McCarthy - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Corey Conners - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Chase Johnson - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tommy Fleetwood - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Matt Fitzpatrick - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Si Woo Kim - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Viktor Hovland - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Wyndham Clark - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Cam Davis - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Nick Taylor - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Ben Baller WITB update (New putter, driver, hybrid and shafts) – 2024 Genesis Invitational
       
       
       
       
       
      Pullout Albums
       
      New Vortex Golf rangefinder - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      New Fujikura Ventus shaft - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods & TaylorMade "Sun Day Red" apparel launch event, product photos – 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods Sun Day Red golf shoes - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Aretera shafts - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      New Toulon putters - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods' new white "Sun Day Red" golf shoe prototypes – 2024 Genesis Invitational
       
       
       
       
       
      • 22 replies

×
×
  • Create New...