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**_Nicklaus, Woods or Hogan? An extremely 'scientific' look at who had golf's most impressive comeback

It would be irresponsible to try to compare one improbable comeback to another. We did so anyway_**

-Shane Ryan

 

Tiger Woods' comeback last year was the talk of the golf world, and deservedly so, but in our secret hearts, we all knew it wouldn't be complete without another major. That last peak still seemed far off in the misty distance, even though he was routinely competing well against the best players in the world, but at Augusta National, he reached the mountaintop yet again.

 

Taken in total, it's certainly the greatest sports comeback of the year, and the decade, and possibly of my sports lifetime. But is it the greatest in the history of golf?

 

To answer that question, we have to compare him to the only other two men worthy of the distinction: Jack Nicklaus and Ben Hogan. And we just treat the question with care—it's not something to be tossed in the chaotic washing machine of loose opinion and removed sopping wet one hour later only to realize we forgot the bleach of cold hard logic and the stain remover of rigorous scientific examination. This puzzle must be hand-washed, air-dried and finally steam-pressed until it gleams with truth.

 

You get the picture.

 

So, using eight categories, let's assign each man a score from 1-3 in each, and at the end we'll tally it up and declare a winner. That's just good science.

 

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Results Below

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**FINAL SCORES

 

It was an intense battle, but here's how it scored out in the end:

 

Tiger Woods: 17 points

 

Jack Nicklaus: 16 points

 

Ben Hogan: 15 points

 

There you have it! Science has proved, once and for all, that Tiger's comeback was the greatest in golf history, and science has never been wrong.**

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Jack’s comeback? Hogan and Woods came back from injury? Did Jack have a similar issue? Honest question as I don’t know what issue Jack came back from.

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Tiger's "comeback" was partially due to injury, but mostly due to self inflicted "mental depths". Also, his "comeback" was aided by 4 of the top 20 in the world rinsing balls on 12 through 15. Make it 5 if you count DJ, but he was just too far back to start, but finished with birdies on 4 of last 5 to come up one short. If he makes one more birdie Sunday (or any day I guess), or Brooks makes his 8 footer for birdie on 18 it's an entirely different scenario? Do we all agree it would've been much more interesting if Tiger had to make par on 18 instead of having a stroke to play with?

 

 

Hogan's "comeback" was from his body being totally mangled by a city bus. In my view of "comebacks", this might rank highest in my opinion? I'm still not sure on this one. In my opinion a "comeback" is someone who has been great, then has a near career ending injury, then comes back to be good for a long time. Hogan was a little before my time, so not sure how long he was good after the accident.

 

 

Nicklaus' win in '86 was sheer determination, shooting lights out on the back 9 on Sunday, and a few guys spitting the bit once he posted that number they knew they had to beat. I don't count that as a "comeback", but more as a guy who knew the course like the back of his hand and caught lightening in a bottle that Sunday, had a number in mind that might put a lump in other people's throats (Seve, Norman, Kite) and shot it. I'm not calling that a "comeback", just something really rare and special. If Watson would've 2 putted (basically) on 18 at Turnberry in '09 would we be calling that a "comeback"?

 

My opinion, Hogan was the greatest physical comeback, Jack was a guy who had one last thing to prove and willed it to be so, Tiger is still in somewhat good form and needed A LOT of help to win, so I personally don't count this a "Great Comeback". Not trying to start an anti-Tiger debate, but willing to have intelligent discussion about it?

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Interesting stuff. I don’t think Jack is in this conversation at all as there really was no comeback.

Also interesting was Hogan. Sounds , like some broken bones and a fairly long recovery period but were his injuries really ever career threatening?

Tiger, state of the art medical care but pretty new stuff at this point.

 

 

 

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Jack had gone through a slump, but that was basically over by '80. '86 was an outlier, but he was still playing at a very high level. Tiger had a lot of self inflicted injuries and personal problems. Hogan nearly died in an awful car wreck. There were serious doubts as to whether he would ever walk again, much less play top level golf. In terms of comebacks, Hogan is by far the most impressive, and unexpected.

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I'm a big Jack fan ... But he don't belong in this conversation.

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> @Cwing said:

> Interesting stuff. I don’t think Jack is in this conversation at all as there really was no comeback.

> Also interesting was Hogan. Sounds , like some broken bones and a fairly long recovery period but were his injuries really ever career threatening?

> Tiger, state of the art medical care but pretty new stuff at this point.

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His injuries were life threatening. He was in critical condition. Once his broken bones were set he developed complications which meant more surgery and time in the hospital. It also meant leg problems for the rest of his life:

 

"It was March 29, 1949, before Hogan made it home to Fort Worth. He passed the summer trying to regain his strength. He was too weak to swing a club, and even short walks wore him out. The procedure on his vena cava caused chronic pain, swelling and fatigue—conditions that would plague him for the rest of his life. But he was determined to work as hard on his recovery as he was his golf swing.

 

“It’s going to be a long haul,” he told reporters, “and in my mind, I don’t think that I’ll ever get back the playing edge I had last year. You work for perfection all your life, and then something like this happens. My nervous system has been shot by this, and I don’t see how I can readjust it to competitive golf. But you can bet I’ll be back there swinging.”

 

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/hit-by-a-bus-how-ben-hogan-hit-back-24870580/

 

 

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Shane Ryan?

 

The slack jawed yokel that was hoping Tiger's comeback failed?

 

Article from January 2018

 

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/tiger-fatigue-syndrome-or-why-i-want-the-tiger-woods-comeback-to-fail-shane-ryan

 

How is he even allowed to still comment on the game? I'd rather hear from Skip Bayless at this point.

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Tiger's come back is a total blow to the current golf teaching professionals out there, so called scientific approach to the golf swing. These stack and tilt, bump to the left before turning theories have caused god knows how many lower back injuries.

Glad tiger made it back with a more traditional swing. Good on him

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Glad no one has attacked me for not being on the Tiger bandwagon. Let's keep this civil, and I'll add/ask another question - What is your definition of a "comeback"? Different things to different people. Maybe I should start another thread, but there's already so many it seems pointless?

 

I'll start it off. My definition of "comeback" is reaching greatness, then suffering some type of accident/career ending injury, then WORKING your way back against all odds, and becoming great again. None of these guys meet that to me (Tiger to be determined). Hogan won another major or 2 after being run over by a bus, so give him the nod in this one.

 

Greatest "Sports" comebacks? How about Reggie Miller scoring 8 points in 9 seconds? How about the Cavs coming back from 1-3 against the defending NBA Champs? How about the Indians losing a World Series THE SAME YEAR that THEY held a 3-1 lead? (I'm an Indians fan, and will forever b**** about the rain delay. but have to give it up to the Cubs for persevering).

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> @halliedog said:

> Tiger's "comeback" was partially due to injury, but mostly due to self inflicted "mental depths". Also, his "comeback" was aided by 4 of the top 20 in the world rinsing balls on 12 through 15. Make it 5 if you count DJ, but he was just too far back to start, but finished with birdies on 4 of last 5 to come up one short. If he makes one more birdie Sunday (or any day I guess), or Brooks makes his 8 footer for birdie on 18 it's an entirely different scenario? Do we all agree it would've been much more interesting if Tiger had to make par on 18 instead of having a stroke to play with?

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> Hogan's "comeback" was from his body being totally mangled by a city bus. In my view of "comebacks", this might rank highest in my opinion? I'm still not sure on this one. In my opinion a "comeback" is someone who has been great, then has a near career ending injury, then comes back to be good for a long time. Hogan was a little before my time, so not sure how long he was good after the accident.

>

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> Nicklaus' win in '86 was sheer determination, shooting lights out on the back 9 on Sunday, and a few guys spitting the bit once he posted that number they knew they had to beat. I don't count that as a "comeback", but more as a guy who knew the course like the back of his hand and caught lightening in a bottle that Sunday, had a number in mind that might put a lump in other people's throats (Seve, Norman, Kite) and shot it. I'm not calling that a "comeback", just something really rare and special. If Watson would've 2 putted (basically) on 18 at Turnberry in '09 would we be calling that a "comeback"?

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> My opinion, Hogan was the greatest physical comeback, Jack was a guy who had one last thing to prove and willed it to be so, Tiger is still in somewhat good form and needed A LOT of help to win, so I personally don't count this a "Great Comeback". Not trying to start an anti-Tiger debate, but willing to have intelligent discussion about it?

 

The man was ranked 1,199 not very long ago. If this isn't a great comeback, then nothing is. And by the way, he was by far the #1 ranked player in summer 2013 before the injuries started. So it was primarily a physical issue for him.

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Assume you are speaking to Tiger? Was it injuries that started the decline, or his lack of playing for nearly 5 years due to "personal issues"? Everyone gets a trophy in your world I guess.

 

Maybe I'm doing it wrong, but I never see him dropping below 656 in OWGR? http://www.owgr.com/en/Ranking/PlayerProfile.aspx?playerID=5321

 

When was he ranked 1199, and what ranking was that? He ended 2018 at #13, hardly a long-shot to win. What were his Vegas odds to win starting Sunday playing in the next to last group? (3-1) Hardly a long shot or surprise. And I'll respectfully disagree that the start of his downfall was physical instead of mental, but that made a convenient excuse for him didn't it?

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> @halliedog said:

> Assume you are speaking to Tiger? Was it injuries that started the decline, or his lack of playing for nearly 5 years due to "personal issues"? Everyone gets a trophy in your world I guess.

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> Maybe I'm doing it wrong, but I never see him dropping below 656 in OWGR? http://www.owgr.com/en/Ranking/PlayerProfile.aspx?playerID=5321

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> When was he ranked 1199, and what ranking was that? He ended 2018 at #13, hardly a long-shot to win. What were his Vegas odds to win starting Sunday playing in the next to last group? (3-1) Hardly a long shot or surprise. And I'll respectfully disagree that the start of his downfall was physical instead of mental, but that made a convenient excuse for him didn't it?

He was 1199 in November of 2017.

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> > @halliedog said:

> > Assume you are speaking to Tiger? Was it injuries that started the decline, or his lack of playing for nearly 5 years due to "personal issues"? Everyone gets a trophy in your world I guess.

> >

> > Maybe I'm doing it wrong, but I never see him dropping below 656 in OWGR? http://www.owgr.com/en/Ranking/PlayerProfile.aspx?playerID=5321

> >

> > When was he ranked 1199, and what ranking was that? He ended 2018 at #13, hardly a long-shot to win. What were his Vegas odds to win starting Sunday playing in the next to last group? (3-1) Hardly a long shot or surprise. And I'll respectfully disagree that the start of his downfall was physical instead of mental, but that made a convenient excuse for him didn't it?

> He was 1199 in November of 2017.

 

Point taken, can you provide a link for educational purposes so I don't stick my foot in my mouth in the future?

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> @halliedog said:

> Assume you are speaking to Tiger? Was it injuries that started the decline, or his lack of playing for nearly 5 years due to "personal issues"? Everyone gets a trophy in your world I guess.

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> Maybe I'm doing it wrong, but I never see him dropping below 656 in OWGR? http://www.owgr.com/en/Ranking/PlayerProfile.aspx?playerID=5321

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> When was he ranked 1199, and what ranking was that? He ended 2018 at #13, hardly a long-shot to win. What were his Vegas odds to win starting Sunday playing in t he next to last group? (3-1) Hardly a long shot or surprise. And I'll respectfully disagree that the start of his downfall was physical instead of mental, but that made a convenient excuse for him didn't it?

 

He **did not** sit out for 5 years due to "personal issues." These are the facts, no matter how you want to spin it...

 

He won 6 times in 2009. The adultery scandal in the media happened in late 2009 to early 2010. He played plenty of golf in 2010 and 2011, but didn't win. Had some high finishes in 2010 such as 4th at the Masters and Top 10 at the U.S. Open. Made a pretty good run at The Masters in 2011 but faded on the back nine Sunday.

 

He started winning again in December 2011 with his unofficial charity tournament. Then he won 3 times in 2012 (including Jack/Arnold events) and 5 victories in 2013, including The Players Championship and 2 WGC events. In August 2013, he won the WGC Bridgestone event by 7 shots. He was by far the #1 ranked player in summer 2013.

 

http://dps.endavadigital.net/owgr/doc/content/archive/2013/owgr35f2013.pdf

 

Then the back injuries started. He had 4 back surgeries from 2014 to 2017. As a result of barely playing any golf due to the back injuries, he dropped down from #1 in summer 2013 to #1,199 in Fall 2017. Finally was healthy enough to play in 2018 and 2019. Had a lot of good finishes in 2018 (including a victory in September) which pushed him up to the #13 ranking at the end of the year that you mentioned.

 

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> @Hawkeye77 said:

> > @halliedog said:

> > Assume you are speaking to Tiger? Was it injuries that started the decline, or his lack of playing for nearly 5 years due to "personal issues"? Everyone gets a trophy in your world I guess.

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> > Maybe I'm doing it wrong, but I never see him dropping below 656 in OWGR? http://www.owgr.com/en/Ranking/PlayerProfile.aspx?playerID=5321

> >

> > When was he ranked 1199, and what ranking was that? He ended 2018 at #13, hardly a long-shot to win. What were his Vegas odds to win starting Sunday playing in the next to last group? (3-1) Hardly a long shot or surprise. And I'll respectfully disagree that the start of his downfall was physical instead of mental, but that made a convenient excuse for him didn't it?

> He was 1199 in November of 2017.

 

And battled back 500 spots in a single week, thanks to an invite he gave himself to the Charity OWGR Points for Tiger Challenge. Talk about overcoming adversity!

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> @cdnglf said:

> > @Hawkeye77 said:

> > > @halliedog said:

> > > Assume you are speaking to Tiger? Was it injuries that started the decline, or his lack of playing for nearly 5 years due to "personal issues"? Everyone gets a trophy in your world I guess.

> > >

> > > Maybe I'm doing it wrong, but I never see him dropping below 656 in OWGR? http://www.owgr.com/en/Ranking/PlayerProfile.aspx?playerID=5321

> > >

> > > When was he ranked 1199, and what ranking was that? He ended 2018 at #13, hardly a long-shot to win. What were his Vegas odds to win starting Sunday playing in the next to last group? (3-1) Hardly a long shot or surprise. And I'll respectfully disagree that the start of his downfall was physical instead of mental, but that made a convenient excuse for him didn't it?

> > He was 1199 in November of 2017.

>

> And battled back 500 spots in a single week, thanks to an invite he gave himself to the Charity OWGR Points for Tiger Challenge. Talk about overcoming adversity!

 

While I agree it's a very silly event and **should not have any ranking points**, I'm also quite sure that this December 2017 event had zero to do with him winning The 2018 Tour Championship or The 2019 Masters. He is a lifetime member of the Tour and earned his way into the Tour Championship with his performances in numerous 2018 full field events on the Tour. He's got an invitation to Augusta until age 60+ as well.

 

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> > @cdnglf said:

> > > @Hawkeye77 said:

> > > > @halliedog said:

> > > > Assume you are speaking to Tiger? Was it injuries that started the decline, or his lack of playing for nearly 5 years due to "personal issues"? Everyone gets a trophy in your world I guess.

> > > >

> > > > Maybe I'm doing it wrong, but I never see him dropping below 656 in OWGR? http://www.owgr.com/en/Ranking/PlayerProfile.aspx?playerID=5321

> > > >

> > > > When was he ranked 1199, and what ranking was that? He ended 2018 at #13, hardly a long-shot to win. What were his Vegas odds to win starting Sunday playing in the next to last group? (3-1) Hardly a long shot or surprise. And I'll respectfully disagree that the start of his downfall was physical instead of mental, but that made a convenient excuse for him didn't it?

> > > He was 1199 in November of 2017.

> >

> > And battled back 500 spots in a single week, thanks to an invite he gave himself to the Charity OWGR Points for Tiger Challenge. Talk about overcoming adversity!

>

> While I agree it's a very silly event and **should not have any ranking points**, I'm also quite sure that this December 2017 event had zero to do with him winning The 2018 Tour Championship or The 2019 Masters. He is a lifetime member of the Tour and earned his way into the Tour Championship with his performances in numerous 2018 full field events on the Tour. He's got an invitation to Augusta until age 60+ as well.

>

 

I know. Just can’t help myself when it comes to the Hypocrite World Challenge.

 

 

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I'm not doubting his rank of 1199, but can someone provide the link so I know where to look in the future?

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> I'm not doubting his rank of 1199, but can someone provide the link so I know where to look in the future?

 

Below is an article from 11/27/2017. You won't be able to find him at 1199 on the OWGR website because their archives only show the Top 300 players for any given week in past years. Do a Google search for "Tiger Woods 1199" and you will find a ton of articles that mention it.

 

http://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/21494172/golf-tiger-woods-remains-exempt-many-events-play-anywhere-wants

 

"While everyone else in the 18-player field will be ranked among the top 50 in the world, **Woods (ranked 1,199th)** will be making his first tournament start since withdrawing from the Dubai Desert Classic prior to the second round on Feb. 3. Since then, he underwent his fourth back surgery. Stalled on 79 PGA Tour titles since 2013, Woods, 41, has made just 19 worldwide starts since the first of his back surgeries on March 31, 2014."

 

Below is another article from 12/3/2017. He jumped more than 500 spots in the ranking based on the 18-man unofficial event. Total joke of a tournament that should not give out ranking points.

 

https://www.cbssports.com/golf/news/tiger-woods-moves-up-more-than-500-spots-in-official-world-golf-rankings/

 

"As somebody pointed out to me earlier this week, **Tiger Woods' Official World Golf Ranking coming into the Hero World Golf Challenge (1,199) was closer to Steph Curry's (1,928) than it was to Dustin Johnson's (No. 1).** That changed on Sunday when Woods finished T9 with Matt Kuchar in the Bahamas. As a result, Woods will move to around No. 659 in the world."

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      2024 Cognizant Classic - Monday #4
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
      Brandt Snedeker - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Max Greyserman - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Eric Cole - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Carl Yuan - WITb - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Russell Henley - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Justin Sun - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Alex Noren - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Shane Lowry - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Taylor Montgomery - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Jake Knapp (KnappTime_ltd) - WITB - - 2024 Cognizant Classic
       
       
       
      Pullout Albums
       
      New Super Stoke Pistol Lock 1.0 & 2.0 grips - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      LA Golf new insert putter - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      New Garsen Quad Tour 15 grip - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      New Swag covers - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Jacob Bridgeman's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Bud Cauley's custom Cameron putters - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Ryo Hisatsune's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Chris Kirk - new black Callaway Apex CB irons and a few Odyssey putters - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Alejandro Tosti's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Cognizant Classic
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
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    • 2024 Genesis Invitational - Discussion and Links to Photos
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      General Albums
       
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Monday #1
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Monday #2
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Tuesday #1
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Tuesday #2
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Tuesday #3
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Tuesday #4
       
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
      Rory McIlroy - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Sepp Straka - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Patrick Rodgers - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Brendon Todd - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Denny McCarthy - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Corey Conners - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Chase Johnson - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tommy Fleetwood - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Matt Fitzpatrick - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Si Woo Kim - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Viktor Hovland - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Wyndham Clark - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Cam Davis - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Nick Taylor - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Ben Baller WITB update (New putter, driver, hybrid and shafts) – 2024 Genesis Invitational
       
       
       
       
       
      Pullout Albums
       
      New Vortex Golf rangefinder - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      New Fujikura Ventus shaft - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods & TaylorMade "Sun Day Red" apparel launch event, product photos – 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods Sun Day Red golf shoes - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Aretera shafts - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      New Toulon putters - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods' new white "Sun Day Red" golf shoe prototypes – 2024 Genesis Invitational
       
       
       
       
       
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