Nicklaus, Woods or Hogan? An extremely 'scientific' look at who had golf's most impressive comeback.

[hell_is_chrome]

> @halliedog said:

My definition of "comeback" is reaching greatness, then suffering some type of accident/career ending injury, then WORKING your way back against all odds, and becoming great again...Hogan won another major or 2 after being run over by a bus, so give him the nod in this one.

 

***EDITORIAL NOTE: THE ABOVE SHOULD HAVE BEEN INSIDE THE QUOTE BOX. CARRY ON***

 

Time for a history lesson. Ben Hogan won 6 of his 9 majors AFTER the accident. He was pretty damned good before the accident with 53 wins and 3 majors. After the accident he didn't win as many regular tournaments but he could only physically play a hand full of times per year. In 1953 I think he played in something like 6 events but won 5 including 3 majors.

 

Please tell me you are not trolling. You have minimized Hogan's post accident accomplishments, and said Tiger didn't play for 5 years because of "personal issues" when it was obviously physical.

[Ferguson]

Hogan - car accident. Happens every single day.

 

[Itsjustagame]

Given Tigers stature and impact on golf globally his comeback may be the most impactful and therefore the greatest.

[RobotDoctor]

I would think anyone rational would place Ben Hogan on the top of the list, considering he almost died and there was a good chance he wouldn't walk again. What many people don't realize is that Hogan sacrificed his life to save his wife's during that accident by placing his body in front of hers as impact was going to happen. That completely selfless act might have added to the severity of his injuries. Then again, his car was hit head on by a bus that veered into his lane on an isolated stretch of highway. Also consider that medical techniques back in the 40s were not nearly what they are today. Tiger Woods came back from debilitating spinal cord/back issues as well as knee issues. Jack Nicklaus came back from a period of less than stellar play. To put Nicklaus head of Ben Hogan and to place Ben Hogan last on this comparison is simply ludicrous. Ben Hogan first followed by Tiger Woods, several points below Hogan, followed by Nicklaus many points below that.

[RobotDoctor]

> @hell_is_chrome said:

> > @halliedog said:

> My definition of "comeback" is reaching greatness, then suffering some type of accident/career ending injury, then WORKING your way back against all odds, and becoming great again...Hogan won another major or 2 after being run over by a bus, so give him the nod in this one.

>

> ***EDITORIAL NOTE: THE ABOVE SHOULD HAVE BEEN INSIDE THE QUOTE BOX. CARRY ON***

>

> Time for a history lesson. Ben Hogan won 6 of his 9 majors AFTER the accident. He was pretty damned good before the accident with 53 wins and 3 majors. After the accident he didn't win as many regular tournaments but he could only physically play a hand full of times per year. In 1953 I think he played in something like 6 events but won 5 including 3 majors.

>

> Please tell me you are not trolling. You have minimized Hogan's post accident accomplishments, and said Tiger didn't play for 5 years because of "personal issues" when it was obviously physical.

 

That's correct, Hogan won 5 tournaments in 1953 (Masters Tournament, Pan American Open, Colonial National Invitation, U.S. Open, The Open Championship). The reason he did not play in the PGA Championship in 1953 was due to a scheduling conflict with the PGA and the British Open. Remember travel back then was primarily on ocean liner, not private plane like today. To me, there is a very good argument to say Ben Hogan might be the GOAT. What if .........

[gioguy21]

archive pic of Shane doing the thorough analysis:

 

[tiderider]

> @Cwing said:

> Interesting stuff. I don’t think Jack is in this conversation at all as there really was no comeback.

> Also interesting was Hogan. Sounds , like some broken bones and a fairly long recovery period but were his injuries really ever career threatening?

> Tiger, state of the art medical care but pretty new stuff at this point.

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his car was hit by a BUS ... he almost died from the accident ... multiple surgeries on his legs/knees ... had to have his legs taped before each 18 ... i'm no doctor, but that sounds "career threatening" ...

 

 

and back then, 36 holes on the final day was required for the US Open ... he couldn't play in the pga anymore due to the format that required so many holes (stroke play qualifier plus match play/36 holes a day, multiple days) ... he had literally reached his prime and was the best player in the game; seriously doubt he would not have won at least 3-4 more majors ...

 

[otw]

History lesson for Shane Ryan

[hogans71]

> @RobotDoctor said:

> I would think anyone rational would place Ben Hogan on the top of the list, considering he almost died and there was a good chance he wouldn't walk again. What many people don't realize is that Hogan sacrificed his life to save his wife's during that accident by placing his body in front of hers as impact was going to happen. That completely selfless act might have added to the severity of his injuries. Then again, his car was hit head on by a bus that veered into his lane on an isolated stretch of highway. Also consider that medical techniques back in the 40s were not nearly what they are today. Tiger Woods came back from debilitating spinal cord/back issues as well as knee issues. Jack Nicklaus came back from a period of less than stellar play. To put Nicklaus head of Ben Hogan and to place Ben Hogan last on this comparison is simply ludicrous. Ben Hogan first followed by Tiger Woods, several points below Hogan, followed by Nicklaus many points below that.

 

This. End of conversation.

 

I can't believe any of this is up for debate. What Hogan went through was epically more difficult than what TW went through. Not only that, what he endured on a daily basis just to WALK, let alone play the game was a lesson in incredible grit and determination.

 

It was an amazing comeback for TW. Everything that took place in his life, then to find himself back on top is an incredible display. But it pales in comparison to Hogan's return.

 

I'm as big a fan of Nicklaus as anyone but he does not belong on this list. AT ALL.

[tiderider]

> @"Mr. Hogan" said:

> Laughing out loud at Shane Ryan.

 

it's an asinine article, no doubt ...

[bscinstnct]

> @hogans71 said:

> > @RobotDoctor said:

> > I would think anyone rational would place Ben Hogan on the top of the list, considering he almost died and there was a good chance he wouldn't walk again. What many people don't realize is that Hogan sacrificed his life to save his wife's during that accident by placing his body in front of hers as impact was going to happen. That completely selfless act might have added to the severity of his injuries. Then again, his car was hit head on by a bus that veered into his lane on an isolated stretch of highway. Also consider that medical techniques back in the 40s were not nearly what they are today. Tiger Woods came back from debilitating spinal cord/back issues as well as knee issues. Jack Nicklaus came back from a period of less than stellar play. To put Nicklaus head of Ben Hogan and to place Ben Hogan last on this comparison is simply ludicrous. Ben Hogan first followed by Tiger Woods, several points below Hogan, followed by Nicklaus many points below that.

>

> This. End of conversation.

>

> I can't believe any of this is up for debate. What Hogan went through was epically more difficult than what TW went through. Not only that, what he endured on a daily basis just to WALK, let alone play the game was a lesson in incredible grit and determination.

>

> It was an amazing comeback for TW. Everything that took place in his life, then to find himself back on top is an incredible display. But it pales in comparison to Hogan's return.

>

> I'm as big a fan of Nicklaus as anyone but he does not belong on this list. AT ALL.

 

I don't like compare the two but seems like TW was in pretty bad shape himself and were it not for the surgery, he'd still would be.

 

"In order to actually come to the dinner, I had to get a nerve block just to be able to walk and come to the dinner. It meant so much to me to be part of the Masters and come to the Champions Diner. I didn't want to miss it. It was tough and uncomfortable. I ended up going to England that night, saw a specialist there, [and] they recommended unfortunately for me the only way to get rid of the pain I was living in was to have the spinal fusion surgery. So I decided to go to Dr. Richard Guyer in Texas and had the surgery."

 

The surgery took place roughly two weeks later on April 19, 2017, at the Center for Disc Replacement at the Texas Back Institute. Woods was not allowed to swing a club for six months.

 

"It was not a fun time," Woods said. "Tough couple of years there. But I was able to start to walk again. I was able to participate in life. I was able to be around my kids again, be at their games and their practices. Got to take them to school again. These were all things I couldn't do for a very long time. Golf was not in my future or even in my distant future. Playing the game again, I couldn't even do that with my son Charlie. I couldn't do that in my backyard. After the surgery, I started to feel a lot better."

 

http://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/26497754/tiger-thought-was-done-golf-2017

[tatertot]

It's come down to this. We're arguing over who was having a harder time walking. Can't we just appreciate greatness for what it is without tearing down what others have/are accomplished/accomplishing?

[Paintman]

> @tatertot said:

> It's come down to this. We're arguing over who was having a harder time walking. Can't we just appreciate greatness for what it is without tearing down what others have/are accomplished/accomplishing?

 

Agree, and may add, never ever compare pain. Especially when it's between two other people.

[KillerPenguin]

> @hogans71 said:

> > @RobotDoctor said:

> > I would think anyone rational would place Ben Hogan on the top of the list, considering he almost died and there was a good chance he wouldn't walk again. What many people don't realize is that Hogan sacrificed his life to save his wife's during that accident by placing his body in front of hers as impact was going to happen. That completely selfless act might have added to the severity of his injuries. Then again, his car was hit head on by a bus that veered into his lane on an isolated stretch of highway. Also consider that medical techniques back in the 40s were not nearly what they are today. Tiger Woods came back from debilitating spinal cord/back issues as well as knee issues. Jack Nicklaus came back from a period of less than stellar play. To put Nicklaus head of Ben Hogan and to place Ben Hogan last on this comparison is simply ludicrous. Ben Hogan first followed by Tiger Woods, several points below Hogan, followed by Nicklaus many points below that.

>

> This. End of conversation.

>

> I can't believe any of this is up for debate. What Hogan went through was epically more difficult than what TW went through. Not only that, what he endured on a daily basis just to WALK, let alone play the game was a lesson in incredible grit and determination.

>

> It was an amazing comeback for TW. Everything that took place in his life, then to find himself back on top is an incredible display. But it pales in comparison to Hogan's return.

>

> I'm as big a fan of Nicklaus as anyone but he does not belong on this list. AT ALL.

 

Amen, amen, and amen. And I actively root for Tiger.

[MelloYello]

A few cynical thoughts about the first two:

 

**Nicklaus:**

Jack didn't have a comeback so he's not even in the conversation. He was fading out in the mid-80s but still had every reason to show up and give it a shot. The '86 Masters simply marked one last (albeit unexpected) major triumph. That's not a comeback as much as a random historical moment.

 

It's also another major that Greg Norman very obviously should've won. That was maybe Norman's worst choke-job of all time having given it away on the last 2 holes with inexplicably awful shots. So congrats to Jack, _I guess_.

 

**Hogan:**

I admire Hogan, but then again, how much is this inflated by time? If you suffer the worst accident imaginable and 9 months later you're playing golf then maybe it wasn't as bad as first imagined? The relatively short duration of Hogan's absence and the fact that broken bones do heal makes this seem plausible enough that it's not as heroic the more one zooms in. And moreover, Hogan had every reason in the world to return to golf after healing up. Not only was he in his prime the previous year but players had to keep making money.

 

As one of the above posters points out, Hogan was a force after the accident which begs the question...how bad was the setback if Hogan marched right through it and returned immediately to glory?

 

Great story, but maybe not automatically #1.

 

Now on to Tiger...

 

**Woods:**

On the one hand, TW's fall from grace had a lot to do with his own poor decisions. Should that factor in? I mean, getting hit by a bus is a lot more noble than Wood's indiscretions! Then again, Woods is bolstered by the fact that unlike the other two, he didn't have _any real reason_ to come back. It's a wonder he tried at all. I think 99.9% of people would've called it a career and exited the game given Woods' legacy of shear dominance coming out of 2008.

 

And zooming in further, a lot of Woods' comeback is probably watered-down by virtue of 24/7 coverage of where he's at and what he's doing. Videos on Twitter showed him swinging when some thought he wasn't. He regularly competed before his Masters win a few weeks ago. His 5th green jacket was clearly icing on a cake that was long in the making and we watched every step of it.

 

It's impossible for anything to surprise us today. At best, things are a slow crescendo. Imagine if you stood there and watched every day of Hogan's return. If it happened right in front of you it wouldn't seem so mythical.

 

 

 

**So I give the edge to Tiger because of 2 things:**

 

First would be the fact that he didn't have any reason to do it.

 

Second would be what Chamblee has said, he transformed his personality, his image and his relationships throughout the game. He is a totally different guy now, one that is far more...likable. He seems like a legitimately good dude.

 

 

To change for the better simply because it's the right thing to do all the while showing you can reach the pinnacle of your sport seems hard to beat.

 

Even at the end, Hogan was still a curmudgeon. Maybe if Hogan warmed up he'd have more respect.

 

In that way, Tiger did something Hogan never could.

 

 

[redfirebird08]

> @RobotDoctor said:

> I would think anyone rational would place Ben Hogan on the top of the list, considering he almost died and there was a good chance he wouldn't walk again. What many people don't realize is that Hogan sacrificed his life to save his wife's during that accident by placing his body in front of hers as impact was going to happen. That completely selfless act might have added to the severity of his injuries. Then again, his car was hit head on by a bus that veered into his lane on an isolated stretch of highway. Also consider that medical techniques back in the 40s were not nearly what they are today. Tiger Woods came back from debilitating spinal cord/back issues as well as knee issues. Jack Nicklaus came back from a period of less than stellar play. To put Nicklaus head of Ben Hogan and to place Ben Hogan last on this comparison is simply ludicrous. Ben Hogan first followed by Tiger Woods, several points below Hogan, followed by Nicklaus many points below that.

 

Agree 100% with how you ranked them on the comebacks. I would say it's also possible that Hogan accidentally saved his own life by moving away from the driver's seat. Steering wheel could have crushed him if he stayed there and it was pushed up against the driver's seat.

 

For a horrible situation, it worked out about as well as possible for him and his wife. It is absolutely incredible he was able to win any golf tournament, never mind 6 out of 8 major attempts! Simply jawdropping. They both lived into pretty old age as well despite the accident, which is great.

[3jacker]

Shane Ryan has done for golf writers what John Wayne Gacy did for clowns.

 

The guy is pathetic. Crippling egomania combined with an inferiority complex, and he puts it all out there on a daily/weekly basis for the world to see. Good on him I guess for finding a way to profit off his mental disability.

[Birdie Mac]

> @3jacker said:

> Shane Ryan has done for golf writers what John Wayne Gacy did for clowns.

>

> The guy is pathetic. Crippling egomania combined with an inferiority complex, and he puts it all out there on a daily/weekly basis for the world to see. Good on him I guess for finding a way to profit off his mental disability.

Your first sentence seriously made me LOL!

 

[legitimategolf]

> @bscinstnct said:

> "It was not a fun time," Woods said. "Tough couple of years there. But I was able to start to walk again. I was able to participate in life. I was able to be around my kids again, be at their games and their practices. Got to take them to school again. These were all things I couldn't do for a very long time. Golf was not in my future or even in my distant future. Playing the game again, I couldn't even do that with my son Charlie. I couldn't do that in my backyard. After the surgery, I started to feel a lot better."

>

> http://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/26497754/tiger-thought-was-done-golf-2017

 

Feel bad for little Charlie while Tiger was laid up. Imagine that your dad's TW, AND you have the world's best practice green in your backyard... but you can't really enjoy either.

[Golfnutgalen]

I don't think you guys read the article. Hard to blame you there because it's pretty dumb. Hogan won the first and I would argue most important category, but did not overall because of a bunch of minor inclusions.

 

Here's all the categories for good measure:

1. The Lowest Low: Hogan (3), Tiger (2), Jack (3)

2. The Previous High: Jack (3), Tiger (2), Hogan (1)

3. Haters: Tiger (3), Jack (2), Hogan (1)

4. Time In Hell: Tiger (3), Jack (2), Hogan (1)

5. Post comeback domination: Hogan (3), Tiger (2), Jack (1)

6. Oldness: Jack (3), Tiger (2), Hogan (1)

7. Drama of the comeback: Jack (3), Hogan (2), Tiger (1)

8. The Celebration: Hogan (3), Tiger (2), Jack (1)

 

Final Scores:

Tiger (17), Jack (16), Hogan (15)

 

[Darth Putter]

> @MelloYello said:

> A few cynical thoughts about the first two:

>

> **Nicklaus:**

> Jack didn't have a comeback so he's not even in the conversation. He was fading out in the mid-80s but still had every reason to show up and give it a shot. The '86 Masters simply marked one last (albeit unexpected) major triumph. That's not a comeback as much as a random historical moment.

>

> It's also another major that Greg Norman very obviously should've won. That was maybe Norman's worst choke-job of all time having given it away on the last 2 holes with inexplicably awful shots. So congrats to Jack, _I guess_.

>

> **Hogan:**

> I admire Hogan, but then again, how much is this inflated by time? If you suffer the worst accident imaginable and 9 months later you're playing golf then maybe it wasn't as bad as first imagined? The relatively short duration of Hogan's absence and the fact that broken bones do heal makes this seem plausible enough that it's not as heroic the more one zooms in. And moreover, Hogan had every reason in the world to return to golf after healing up. Not only was he in his prime the previous year but players had to keep making money.

>

> As one of the above posters points out, Hogan was a force after the accident which begs the question...how bad was the setback if Hogan marched right through it and returned immediately to glory?

>

> Great story, but maybe not automatically #1.

 

 

Did Shane Ryan write this?

 

 

 

Slight correction to Norman first. He birdied #17 for his fourth straight to tie Nicklaus and only blew it with a bad 4 iron on #18.

 

Now on to Hogan...

 

Injuries to overcome with 1949 medicine, double fractures in the pelvis, broken collarbone, fractured left ankle, cracked ribs and near fatal blood clots.

 

Seriously, go take a look at that car again.

 

Broken bones do heal, but it was the blood clots that were the long term damage. The doctors had to tie off one of his veins to prevent the blood clots reaching his lungs and killing him. Unfortunately, this meant that for the rest of his life he would suffer swelling and pain in his legs from walking due to low blood circulation. The pain caused him to only play eight times in 1950 and never more than 6 times in any year after. Playoffs were 18 holes back then and he lost 4 out of 5 of them after the wreck because he just couldn't do it physically.

 

Was he really better after the accident? Hogan didn't think so.

from Golf Digest...https://www.golfdigest.com/story/usopen_benhogan_diaz

 

Hogan might have held up Merion as his proudest achievement and called Carnoustie his greatest pleasure, but as an artist of the game, he believed that his pre-accident golf was his finest work. In a 1983 interview on CBS with Ken Venturi, Hogan was describing his 11-month recovery from the accident when he said, "Finally, I got to where I could play a little bit. Not as good as I could before. And I don't think I will ever play as good -- or ever have since -- even though I won some tournaments. But I was better in 1948 and '49 than I've ever been."

 

 

Tiger is getting very close to playing the same number of tournaments since his return in November 2017 that Ben Hogan played from 1950-1953 when he won ten times and six majors. After the triple crown in 1953, Hogan only won one more time.

 

No need to be cynical, Hogan's comeback really was that great.

 

 

 

 

[tatertot]

> @Golfnutgalen said:

> I don't think you guys read the article. Hard to blame you there because it's pretty dumb. Hogan won the first and I would argue most important category, but did not overall because of a bunch of minor inclusions.

>

> Here's all the categories for good measure:

> 1. The Lowest Low: Hogan (3), Tiger (2), Jack (3)

> 2. The Previous High: Jack (3), Tiger (2), Hogan (1)

> 3. Haters: Tiger (3), Jack (2), Hogan (1)

> 4. Time In ****: Tiger (3), Jack (2), Hogan (1)

> 5. Post comeback domination: Hogan (3), Tiger (2), Jack (1)

> 6. Oldness: Jack (3), Tiger (2), Hogan (1)

> 7. Drama of the comeback: Jack (3), Hogan (2), Tiger (1)

> 8. The Celebration: Hogan (3), Tiger (2), Jack (1)

>

> Final Scores:

> Tiger (17), Jack (16), Hogan (15)

>

 

So ... Jack and Ben tied for lowest low because Jack hadn't won in while and Ben almost died and was facing a lifetime of nagging pain plus months of miserable rehab? Yeah, that seems right.

[Birdie Mac]

> @hogans71 said:

> > @RobotDoctor said:

> > I would think anyone rational would place Ben Hogan on the top of the list, considering he almost died and there was a good chance he wouldn't walk again. What many people don't realize is that Hogan sacrificed his life to save his wife's during that accident by placing his body in front of hers as impact was going to happen. That completely selfless act might have added to the severity of his injuries. Then again, his car was hit head on by a bus that veered into his lane on an isolated stretch of highway. Also consider that medical techniques back in the 40s were not nearly what they are today. Tiger Woods came back from debilitating spinal cord/back issues as well as knee issues. Jack Nicklaus came back from a period of less than stellar play. To put Nicklaus head of Ben Hogan and to place Ben Hogan last on this comparison is simply ludicrous. Ben Hogan first followed by Tiger Woods, several points below Hogan, followed by Nicklaus many points below that.

>

> **This. End of conversation**.

>

> I can't believe any of this is up for debate. What Hogan went through was epically more difficult than what TW went through. Not only that, what he endured on a daily basis just to WALK, let alone play the game was a lesson in incredible grit and determination.

>

> It was an amazing comeback for TW. Everything that took place in his life, then to find himself back on top is an incredible display. But it pales in comparison to Hogan's return.

>

> I'm as big a fan of Nicklaus as anyone but he does not belong on this list. AT ALL.

Hogan, check me if I'm wrong, but I don't think anyone took your 'end of conversation' statement seriously.

 

Both men endured potentially career ending events. Hogan had one catastrophic event that would have broken a lesser man; Tiger endured a series of personal and physical failures that would also have broken a lesser man. Both dug deep within themselves and found something that made them get out of bed every day and work hard to get back on track.

 

Only winners among these men. We cam learn something from all three.

 

 

 

[starsail85]

Hogan got seriously injured but never lost his game and came back and had a great run

 

Nicklaus played Abit poorly for a few years and won the masters

 

Woods lost his complete game , his body fell apart along with other parts of his life, all in the public eye with intense scrutiny and negative chatter non stop

 

 

[Ferguson]

From Darth: No need to be cynical, Hogan's comeback really was that great.

 

Better stated, it was great for the time and the given medical technology.

 

Hogan's injuries would be consistent or typical with an accident of today of the same speed and directional impact. However, his "full-frame" car did not absorb any energy essentially making his injuries worse when compared to the same accident involving a "uni-body" car of today. However, it was just an accident. His body healed and he came back. The doctors and trauma surgeons of today would have handled things differently possibly making Hogan's return even faster.

 

Tiger's comeback was nothing short of miraculous. He faced challenges in all segments of his life - mental, personal, marital, family, addiction, physical and emotional. That dude was a train wreck.

 

 

All things being equal:

 

If two separate groups of 100 people faced the circumstances - one group Hogan and one group Tiger, I truly believe we would see the following results:

 

Hogan accident: 75-80% would recover

Tiger issue: 1-3% would recover

 

 

 

 

 

[tatertot]

> @Ferguson said:

> From Darth: No need to be cynical, Hogan's comeback really was that great.

>

> Better stated, it was great for the time and the given medical technology.

>

> Hogan's injuries would be consistent or typical with an accident of today of the same speed and directional impact. However, his "full-frame" car did not absorb any energy essentially making his injuries worse when compared to the same accident involving a "uni-body" car of today. However, it was just an accident. His body healed and he came back. The doctors and trauma surgeons of today would have handled things differently possibly making Hogan's return even faster.

>

> Tiger's comeback was nothing short of miraculous. He faced challenges in all segments of his life - mental, personal, marital, family, addiction, physical and emotional. That dude was a train wreck.

>

>

> All things being equal:

>

> If two separate groups of 100 people faced the circumstances - one group Hogan and one group Tiger, I truly believe we would see the following results:

>

> Hogan accident: 75-80% would recover

> Tiger issue: 1-3% would recover

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If you think 75% of people who went through what Hogan did would have come back to be a professional athlete, you're nuts.

[DFS PFD]

Hogan's injuries were limited to hip/ankle fractures, rib chipping, and life threatening blood clots? While amazing, the only real threat to life was the blood clots. The fractures can heal unimpeded.

 

**I may be very wrong about the injuries listed, that's all I've found as well as severity so no need for an emotional rebuttal, I wouldn't mind being linked to better data***

[Ferguson]

> @tatertot said:

> > @Ferguson said:

> > From Darth: No need to be cynical, Hogan's comeback really was that great.

> >

> > Better stated, it was great for the time and the given medical technology.

> >

> > Hogan's injuries would be consistent or typical with an accident of today of the same speed and directional impact. However, his "full-frame" car did not absorb any energy essentially making his injuries worse when compared to the same accident involving a "uni-body" car of today. However, it was just an accident. His body healed and he came back. The doctors and trauma surgeons of today would have handled things differently possibly making Hogan's return even faster.

> >

> > Tiger's comeback was nothing short of miraculous. He faced challenges in all segments of his life - mental, personal, marital, family, addiction, physical and emotional. That dude was a train wreck.

> >

> >

> > All things being equal:

> >

> > If two separate groups of 100 people faced the circumstances - one group Hogan and one group Tiger, I truly believe we would see the following results:

> >

> > Hogan accident: 75-80% would recover

> > Tiger issue: 1-3% would recover

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>

> If you think 75% of people who went through what Hogan did would have come back to be a professional athlete, you're nuts.

 

It was a car accident, period. It's depiction was embellished given the era in the same manner as a campfire story. The human body is designed to heal.

 

Look at what happened last year when Finau twisted his ankle and everyone freaked out. We had every "web forum doctor" giving his 2 cents worth. In the end was just a twisted ankle and he went on to play really well in that tournament.

Again, the human body is designed to heal.

 

 

[cdnglf]

In Hogan’s day, the fix for Tiger’s problem was RUB A535 and whisky.

[tatertot]

> @Ferguson said:

> > @tatertot said:

> > > @Ferguson said:

> > > From Darth: No need to be cynical, Hogan's comeback really was that great.

> > >

> > > Better stated, it was great for the time and the given medical technology.

> > >

> > > Hogan's injuries would be consistent or typical with an accident of today of the same speed and directional impact. However, his "full-frame" car did not absorb any energy essentially making his injuries worse when compared to the same accident involving a "uni-body" car of today. However, it was just an accident. His body healed and he came back. The doctors and trauma surgeons of today would have handled things differently possibly making Hogan's return even faster.

> > >

> > > Tiger's comeback was nothing short of miraculous. He faced challenges in all segments of his life - mental, personal, marital, family, addiction, physical and emotional. That dude was a train wreck.

> > >

> > >

> > > All things being equal:

> > >

> > > If two separate groups of 100 people faced the circumstances - one group Hogan and one group Tiger, I truly believe we would see the following results:

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> > > Hogan accident: 75-80% would recover

> > > Tiger issue: 1-3% would recover

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> > If you think 75% of people who went through what Hogan did would have come back to be a professional athlete, you're nuts.

>

> It was a car accident, period. It's depiction was embellished given the era in the same manner as a campfire story. The human body is designed to heal.

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> Look at what happened last year when Finau twisted his ankle and everyone freaked out. We had every "web forum doctor" giving his 2 cents worth. In the end was just a twisted ankle and he went on to play really well in that tournament.

> Again, the human body is designed to heal.

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You realize people were twice as likely to die from a car accident in 1949 as they are today, right? No air bags, no shoulder seatbelts, no crash zones.

 

And while you assume Hogan's wreck was "embellished" (take a look at the wreck again), you assume Tiger's was on the up and up, even though there are photos of him deep sea fishing while he supposedly couldn't walk.

 

This is pathetic ... both men accomplished great things. Why degrade one to build up the other one?