Quick question- How many are using new OB and Lost Ball Local Rule E-5??

[Augster]

Bumping this to say my men’s club isn’t using E-5 for events.

 

We use it every day in casual play when appropriate, but for events we can’t use it.

 

With all the changes this year at our course, the new rules, new handicapped holes, letting anyone play gold tees in events; explaining E-5 to these ding dongs, and having them execute relief correctly, is a losing battle.

 

With the handicap change coming in 2020, these folks are really going to lose their minds.

[jmkenn0]

Our course has it for casual play - it rarely gets used, but when/if it warms up and stops raining, I'm guessing we'll see more lost balls and more use. We usually play some variety of matchplay, so its a nice to have on those balls that are 50/50 finding it, or you thought it would be fine but just can't find it.

[SNIPERBBB]

We are using it here, even in our money game which is a gross stableford. In that format you're basically out of the hole if you elect to take the option .

[Roadking2003]

> @LeoLeo99 said:

> I've played very few courses that care about local rules. You pay your money and they hand you the keys to the cart and point you to the first tee. Your group is the committee.

 

And that's OK.

[rogolf]

> @SNIPERBBB said:

> We are using it here, even in our money game which is a gross Stableford. In that format **you're basically out of the hole if you elect to take the option .**

Same result usually applies if you hit a provisional on anything but a par three.

 

[nsxguy]

> @Augster said:

> Bumping this to say my men’s club isn’t using E-5 for events.

>

> We use it every day in casual play when appropriate, but for events we can’t use it.

>

> With all the changes this year at our course, the new rules, new handicapped holes, letting anyone play gold tees in events; explaining E-5 to these ding dongs, and having them execute relief correctly, is a losing battle.

>

> With the handicap change coming in 2020, these folks are really going to lose their minds.

 

LOL

 

The 8 out of 20 will be pretty transparent although a lot of people are going to wonder why their handicaps are lower.

 

But the new ESC, for most Americans, is going to cause a fair bit of confusion,,,,,,, "Stableford ? What the heck is THAT ?"

[RickK]

Personally, I am not a fan of that new local rule. I play in 2 different tournament leagues. One has adopted the local rule and the other has not. I am on the rules committee for the one that has not adopted it. Pretty easy to tell that I lobbied not to adopt it and we voted it down. Similarly, I play in MGA and SMGA at 2 different clubs. Sorta the same there. One club did not adopt it and the other one did. Just out playing on my own...I don't play to the local rule unless the course where I am playing says we must.

[LeoLeo99]

> @rogolf said:

> > @SNIPERBBB said:

> > We are using it here, even in our money game which is a gross Stableford. In that format **you're basically out of the hole if you elect to take the option .**

> Same result usually applies if you ~~hit a~~ _have to play your_ provisional on anything but a par three.

>

 

 

[nsxguy]

> @RickKimbrell said:

> Personally, I am not a fan of that new local rule. I play in 2 different tournament leagues. One has adopted the local rule and the other has not. I am on the rules committee for the one that has not adopted it. Pretty easy to tell that I lobbied not to adopt it and we voted it down. Similarly, I play in MGA and SMGA at 2 different clubs. Sorta the same there. One club did not adopt it and the other one did. Just out playing on my own...I don't play to the local rule unless the course where I am playing says we must.

 

Just curious. What is it that you don't like about it, especially for your tournament league ?

 

This is a Local Rule that, IMO, was put in place almost solely to speed up play.

[rogolf]

> @RickKimbrell said:

> Personally, I am not a fan of that new local rule. I play in 2 different tournament leagues. One has adopted the local rule and the other has not. I am on the rules committee for the one that has not adopted it. Pretty easy to tell that I lobbied not to adopt it and we voted it down. Similarly, I play in MGA and SMGA at 2 different clubs. Sorta the same there. One club did not adopt it and the other one did. Just out playing on my own...I don't play to the local rule unless **the course where I am playing says we must**.

Of course, the club has no authority to say that everyone MUST use the Local Rule, that would be modifying the Rules of golf. However.....

 

[Halebopp]

> @nsxguy said:

> > @RickKimbrell said:

> > Personally, I am not a fan of that new local rule. I play in 2 different tournament leagues. One has adopted the local rule and the other has not. I am on the rules committee for the one that has not adopted it. Pretty easy to tell that I lobbied not to adopt it and we voted it down. Similarly, I play in MGA and SMGA at 2 different clubs. Sorta the same there. One club did not adopt it and the other one did. Just out playing on my own...I don't play to the local rule unless the course where I am playing says we must.

>

> Just curious. What is it that you don't like about it, especially for your tournament league ?

>

> This is a Local Rule that, IMO, was put in place almost solely to speed up play.

 

You didn't ask me but I don't like the fact it can change the way you play a hole. It might be worth the risk of losing your ball with a driver off the tee and having a wedge on to the green. The wedge shot might be your second, third or fourth shot, depending on if you found the fairway/rough, needed to chip back to the fairway or actually lost the ball. Hitting a long iron/hybrid off the tee to ensure you keep your ball in play but leaving you another long/mid iron on to the green might give you a worse expected score (you might lose a ball on both shots). If that were the case (and the LR was in effect), we'd spend a longer time to wait for the fairway to clear and spend more time looking for the errant shots as there would be more of them.

 

Secondly, it completely screws the player who finds his/her ball in an unplayable lie. There's no guarantee the ball is playable even after the drop or that the player can get it back to the fairway. Returning to the tee might also be the best option but there's no guarantee the third shot off the tee will find the fairway. All the while the person who made an even worse stroke (the ball went OB or wasn't even found) is lying 3 safely on the fairway.

[Roadking2003]

> @Halebopp said:

> You didn't ask me but I don't like the fact it can change the way you play a hole. It might be worth the risk of losing your ball with a driver off the tee and having a wedge on to the green. The wedge shot might be your second, third or fourth shot, depending on if you found the fairway/rough, needed to chip back to the fairway or actually lost the ball. Hitting a long iron/hybrid off the tee to ensure you keep your ball in play but leaving you another long/mid iron on to the green might give you a worse expected score (you might lose a ball on both shots). If that were the case (and the LR was in effect), we'd spend a longer time to wait for the fairway to clear and spend more time looking for the errant shots as there would be more of them.

>

> Secondly, it completely screws the player who finds his/her ball in an unplayable lie. There's no guarantee the ball is playable even after the drop or that the player can get it back to the fairway. Returning to the tee might also be the best option but there's no guarantee the third shot off the tee will find the fairway. All the while the person who made an even worse stroke (the ball went OB or wasn't even found) is lying 3 safely on the fairway.

 

You lost me on both counts. I cannot imagine standing on a tee and thinking that the new LR would cause me to change my strategy.

 

There has been and always will be an element of luck regarding unplayable balls. In some cases it's better to lose the ball, others it's better to have an unplayable.

[RickK]

> @nsxguy said:

> > @RickKimbrell said:

> > Personally, I am not a fan of that new local rule. I play in 2 different tournament leagues. One has adopted the local rule and the other has not. I am on the rules committee for the one that has not adopted it. Pretty easy to tell that I lobbied not to adopt it and we voted it down. Similarly, I play in MGA and SMGA at 2 different clubs. Sorta the same there. One club did not adopt it and the other one did. Just out playing on my own...I don't play to the local rule unless the course where I am playing says we must.

>

> Just curious. What is it that you don't like about it, especially for your tournament league ?

>

> This is a Local Rule that, IMO, was put in place almost solely to speed up play.

 

Yes, I agree it was made available to speed up play. What I don't like about it...these are not professionals, they are amateurs just like me. Before the rule change, I have seen many a amateur player blow a ball OB, tee up another one and blow it OB also.

[Newby]

> @RickKimbrell said:

> > @nsxguy said:

> > > @RickKimbrell said:

> > > Personally, I am not a fan of that new local rule. I play in 2 different tournament leagues. One has adopted the local rule and the other has not. I am on the rules committee for the one that has not adopted it. Pretty easy to tell that I lobbied not to adopt it and we voted it down. Similarly, I play in MGA and SMGA at 2 different clubs. Sorta the same there. One club did not adopt it and the other one did. Just out playing on my own...I don't play to the local rule unless the course where I am playing says we must.

> >

> > Just curious. What is it that you don't like about it, especially for your tournament league ?

> >

> > This is a Local Rule that, IMO, was put in place almost solely to speed up play.

>

> Yes, I agree it was made available to speed up play. What I don't like about it...these are not professionals, they are amateurs just like me. Before the rule change, I have seen many a amateur player blow a ball OB, tee up another one and blow it OB also.

That's why it speeds up play for amateurs. Pros don't do that