Tour issued Callaway Apex Pro 19' "Dot" Iron Pics and differences (comparison Pics added Page 3)

[Brooks_Cupcake]

Yelp....just got a swap done for these....coming in blind....

4-P

LZ 6.5

Standard Specs across the board

Hoping it shall be miracle sauce....

 

[tbowers2]

The differences in offset seem pretty minimal. In the mid irons Dot vs Pro there is only a difference of .87mm, which is right at 34 THOUSANDTHS of an inch. The short irons offset differences are even less.

[brushie]

These have a flatter ball flight and just feel much better than the standard irons with the cup face. I haven't seen distance differences.

[JGalls]

Anyone prefer the non-dots?

[mxskier]

My dots finally came in and they feel great on the few shots I hit. Just feel a bit softer and not quite as loud as the non-dots but maintained ball speed. Probably not quite as forgiving on the outside-the-groove toe misses, but if I do that, then that's on me... Still will need to get used to the shape of the bottom groove that to me looks rounder on the dots, but I'll give it time.

 

The non-dots hit the BST today. Still absolutely amazing. Hope they go soon!

[ohiohunter2]

> @JGalls said:

> Anyone prefer the non-dots?

 

I actually preferred the non dot 3-7. At the distances I carry those clubs I like the little extra help.

[mxskier]

I take it back, just hit the range with the dots. feel great. miss the zip of the non-dot. non-dots staying, dots to the BST :D

[youngunz5840]

Third round in with my non dots and love them. The long irons are compact and long but forgiving. I find them easier to hit then the ping I series. Had a 100yd into a green and hit a knockdown partial pw that went to 7 feet. I haven’t had a hot ball yet*knock on wood* and even the i200s I had got a few last year.

[Coop88]

Both are nice. The feel of the non dots is different than most clubs and I love the sound! That being said I absolutely love the dots. Have you thought about just keeping the non dot 3 or 4 iron and leaving the rest?> @mxskier said:

> I take it back, just hit the range with the dots. feel great. miss the zip of the non-dot. non-dots staying, dots to the BST :D

 

> @mxskier said:

> I take it back, just hit the range with the dots. feel great. miss the zip of the non-dot. non-dots staying, dots to the BST :D

 

> @mxskier said:

> I take it back, just hit the range with the dots. feel great. miss the zip of the non-dot. non-dots staying, dots to the BST :D

 

> @mxskier said:

> I take it back, just hit the range with the dots. feel great. miss the zip of the non-dot. non-dots staying, dots to the BST :D

 

 

[mxskier]

I have thought about it. I do love the dot short irons. But I’d want to sell what I’m not using and splitting the set makes that more difficult. Maybe I’ll do that..:

 

> @Coop88 said:

> Both are nice. The feel of the non dots is different than most clubs and I love the sound! That being said I absolutely love the dots. Have you thought about just keeping the non dot 3 or 4 iron and leaving the rest?> @mxskier said:

> > I take it back, just hit the range with the dots. feel great. miss the zip of the non-dot. non-dots staying, dots to the BST :D

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> > @mxskier said:

> > I take it back, just hit the range with the dots. feel great. miss the zip of the non-dot. non-dots staying, dots to the BST :D

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> > @mxskier said:

> > I take it back, just hit the range with the dots. feel great. miss the zip of the non-dot. non-dots staying, dots to the BST :D

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> > @mxskier said:

> > I take it back, just hit the range with the dots. feel great. miss the zip of the non-dot. non-dots staying, dots to the BST :D

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[andrevanderpost]

Just some info for others who are thinking about moving from standard Apex Pro 19 to Apex Pro 19 Dots - they have different BBTG measurements. There is a 0.25” difference with the Dots been the greater or higher one (i.e. to get them to play the same finished length you have to cut the shafts of the Dots a quarter inch shorter).

 

I would assume this is by design to change the COG of the Dots.

[Brooks_Cupcake]

Had my first round yesterday with the Dots, and I have to say I’m super impressed.

Took a chance on them based on theories about the extra groove and less offset, as I really liked the standard version but I didn’t really need to hit 200 yard 7 irons, and my buddy who is in the industry was able to help me lock down a set and said that I would really enjoy them.

Different feeling iron than I’m used to, coming from 765’s and recently the 919 Tour (that had the wrong shaft for me), these are soft feeling with a bit more firmness or stability behind the face.

No real issue on flyers with the exception of 1 170 yard PW down wind but it was probably the best shot I hit all day.

They’re definitely the straightest irons I’ve ever hit, and now it’s getting comfortable with the new LZ 6.5’s and also different starting lines as my ball would typically draw more with the KBS shafts

[gioguy21]

paging @tdk8180 on his 'tour' rusted apex pros...??? pics?

[tdk8180]

> @gioguy21 said:

> paging @tdk8180 on his 'tour' rusted apex pros...??? pics?

 

Ya...they are wonderful. The finish really became more like Xanders after a few rounds and some light steel wool.

[JStang]

For those of you who play these, how would you compare them to 718 CB's? They look like they would potentially be more forgiving. The lies are flatter, less offset and same lofts but other than that can anyone provide additional comparison in playability?

 

[brushie]

> @JStang said:

> For those of you who play these, how would you compare them to 718 CB's? They look like they would potentially be more forgiving. The lies are flatter, less offset and same lofts but other than that can anyone provide additional comparison in playability?

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The dots feel better. More forgiving generally, but dots not as forgiving as CB on thin hits.

 

 

[speeder757]

> @jci13 said:

> I didn’t realize it but my set of Apex Pro Smoke irons I ordered and received back in February are the “dot” version. I ordered my set with DG120 S400 tour issue shafts and 2* weak on lofts and was sent the “dot” version. They are beautiful and play great. I’ve only been able to play 2 rounds with them so far due to cold/wet weather up here in northern Indiana.

 

 

really? They have a smoke dot version?

 

 

[mxtitleistgolfer]

> @speeder757 said:

> > @jci13 said:

> > I didn’t realize it but my set of Apex Pro Smoke irons I ordered and received back in February are the “dot” version. I ordered my set with DG120 S400 tour issue shafts and 2* weak on lofts and was sent the “dot” version. They are beautiful and play great. I’ve only been able to play 2 rounds with them so far due to cold/wet weather up here in northern Indiana.

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> really? They have a smoke dot version?

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I think some people are confused because of the “dot” under the iron number on the sole. But the actual tour version iron has a dot next to the hosel marking.

[speeder757]

> @andrevanderpost said:

> Just some info for others who are thinking about moving from standard Apex Pro 19 to Apex Pro 19 Dots - they have different BBTG measurements. There is a 0.25” difference with the Dots been the greater or higher one (i.e. to get them to play the same finished length you have to cut the shafts of the Dots a quarter inch shorter).

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> I would assume this is by design to change the COG of the Dots.

 

What is a BBTG measurement? Hosel Depth? So you are saying a 38" 5 iron will be longer than a 38" 5 iron on any other Callaway set? I am planning on ordering a set and want to make sure i get the correct length as no one carries the dot version in store...... Thanks

 

 

[Golfingfanatic]

Question for the group: Do you think it makes sense to combo the Apex Pros and the Dots? I thought about going Dots 5-PW and regular pros for the 3 and 4 iron

[DustlnTheWind]

One complaint I have about my Apex CF 16's is that if I hit one absolutely flush it goes 5-10 yards further than I want. They can get a bit jumpy in the 5, 6, 7 iron. The only reason I would switch irons in the next few years would be to eliminate the jumpiness.

[DustlnTheWind]

> @Golfingfanatic said:

> Question for the group: Do you think it makes sense to combo the Apex Pros and the Dots? I thought about going Dots 5-PW and regular pros for the 3 and 4 iron

 

I would do regular pros 3,4,5,6 and Dots 7-P ? Depends on how far you hit those I guess but I would get the dots closer to my "scoring clubs" and keep the forgiveness a little longer in the set.

[JStang]

I went ahead and picked up a set of 5-PW heads and am going to build a set of these in the next week. A couple of questions, what do you guys think of the 4 iron? I am going to have to order one so I'm not sure if I should go with the standard Apex Pro or the dot? For reference, I have been hitting my 718 CB really well.

 

Also, could someone do me a solid and measure the ferrule length and diameter and do you know if they are collared or not? I am just trying to get everything on order that I need for the build.

 

Thanks in advance.

[bsquared25]

Well fellas y’all got me all confused now on these. So I live out in West Texas and wind is a big issue for me. I am currently gaming some JPX900 tour(6-p) and forged (4-5) with c-taper 130x. I went to CC in FT Worth today and I went in with the idea since being a 0hc with 9 irons ss at 90+ I wanted a blade. Well after hitting everything he fixed me up the 19 pros regular but did talk heavily about the dots. He didn’t have them for me to hit and never gave me a true direction kinda just whichever you want to do. Either way these irons were leaps and bounds better for me. I have no issues hitting my longer irons just really want the forgiveness and tighten my game inside 165 yards and be able to control my ball better in the wind. I have attached a pic of my gamer and my apex pro averages from CC and a ball flight. Let me know if I should just stay with the regulars or go with the dots.

 

Thanks boys!

 

 

 

 

 

[Divot2]

> @bsquared25 said:

> Well fellas y’all got me all confused now on these. So I live out in West Texas and wind is a big issue for me. I am currently gaming some JPX900 tour(6-p) and forged (4-5) with c-taper 130x. I went to CC in FT Worth today and I went in with the idea since being a 0hc with 9 irons ss at 90+ I wanted a blade. Well after hitting everything he fixed me up the 19 pros regular but did talk heavily about the dots. He didn’t have them for me to hit and never gave me a true direction kinda just whichever you want to do. Either way these irons were leaps and bounds better for me. I have no issues hitting my longer irons just really want the forgiveness and tighten my game inside 165 yards and be able to control my ball better in the wind. I have attached a pic of my gamer and my apex pro averages from CC and a ball flight. Let me know if I should just stay with the regulars or go with the dots.

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> Thanks boys

 

Apparently speed isn’t an issue for you, I would go with dots since you can handle the weaker lofts. I have hit the dots versus the standard pro and definitely prefer the dots. The feel is about the same but looks are better. Although it’s golf so whatever you want you mind to perceive is usually what you tend to think. Not to say the standard is not good cause it’s phenomenal but, I think you will like the dots better. I just picked up a set of tour Issue Dots but haven’t hit them yet due to knee surgery a few weeks ago and still recovering. Wondering if there really is a difference in the retail dot vs Tour Issue and the wait time for recovery is killing me.

 

 

[Brooks_Cupcake]

> @bsquared25 said:

> Well fellas y’all got me all confused now on these. So I live out in West Texas and wind is a big issue for me. I am currently gaming some JPX900 tour(6-p) and forged (4-5) with c-taper 130x. I went to CC in FT Worth today and I went in with the idea since being a 0hc with 9 irons ss at 90+ I wanted a blade. Well after hitting everything he fixed me up the 19 pros regular but did talk heavily about the dots. He didn’t have them for me to hit and never gave me a true direction kinda just whichever you want to do. Either way these irons were leaps and bounds better for me. I have no issues hitting my longer irons just really want the forgiveness and tighten my game inside 165 yards and be able to control my ball better in the wind. I have attached a pic of my gamer and my apex pro averages from CC and a ball flight. Let me know if I should just stay with the regulars or go with the dots.

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> Thanks boys!

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You will definitely benefit with the extra groove of the Dots, creating extra spin for your 6 iron.

Sub 5000 is really low, especially with a fade

 

I love my Dots, and really the only loss of ball speed is on thin shots which is about 5 yards judging from my on course play.

 

[bsquared25]

> @HackATK said:

> > @bsquared25 said:

> > Well fellas y’all got me all confused now on these. So I live out in West Texas and wind is a big issue for me. I am currently gaming some JPX900 tour(6-p) and forged (4-5) with c-taper 130x. I went to CC in FT Worth today and I went in with the idea since being a 0hc with 9 irons ss at 90+ I wanted a blade. Well after hitting everything he fixed me up the 19 pros regular but did talk heavily about the dots. He didn’t have them for me to hit and never gave me a true direction kinda just whichever you want to do. Either way these irons were leaps and bounds better for me. I have no issues hitting my longer irons just really want the forgiveness and tighten my game inside 165 yards and be able to control my ball better in the wind. I have attached a pic of my gamer and my apex pro averages from CC and a ball flight. Let me know if I should just stay with the regulars or go with the dots.

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> > Thanks boys

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> Apparently speed isn’t an issue for you, I would go with dots since you can handle the weaker lofts. I have hit the dots versus the standard pro and definitely prefer the dots. The feel is about the same but looks are better. Although it’s golf so whatever you want you mind to perceive is usually what you tend to think. Not to say the standard is not good cause it’s phenomenal but, I think you will like the dots better. I just picked up a set of tour Issue Dots but haven’t hit them yet due to knee surgery a few weeks ago and still recovering. Wondering if there really is a difference in the retail dot vs Tour Issue and the wait time for recovery is killing me.

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As for the weaker lofts...I currently play a 22* 4 iron and 26* 5 iron 30* 6 and so on. Do you think it would be the best of both worlds to get the DOTS and then just strength the lofts on them? And what degree lofts are y'all playing with the dots?

[Divot2]

 

 

These are the lofts of the dots. Pretty standard when it comes to players irons on the weaker side. As far as strengthening them, that’s your call and how you want them to play. Really don’t think you will lose much distance at all, maybe half a club but test and find out. I’m going to play them at these standard lofts cause workability, apex, and holding fast hard greens is more important to me.

[Tree Levino]

> @bsquared25 said:

> > @HackATK said:

> > > @bsquared25 said:

> > > Well fellas y’all got me all confused now on these. So I live out in West Texas and wind is a big issue for me. I am currently gaming some JPX900 tour(6-p) and forged (4-5) with c-taper 130x. I went to CC in FT Worth today and I went in with the idea since being a 0hc with 9 irons ss at 90+ I wanted a blade. Well after hitting everything he fixed me up the 19 pros regular but did talk heavily about the dots. He didn’t have them for me to hit and never gave me a true direction kinda just whichever you want to do. Either way these irons were leaps and bounds better for me. I have no issues hitting my longer irons just really want the forgiveness and tighten my game inside 165 yards and be able to control my ball better in the wind. I have attached a pic of my gamer and my apex pro averages from CC and a ball flight. Let me know if I should just stay with the regulars or go with the dots.

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> > > Thanks boys

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> > Apparently speed isn’t an issue for you, I would go with dots since you can handle the weaker lofts. I have hit the dots versus the standard pro and definitely prefer the dots. The feel is about the same but looks are better. Although it’s golf so whatever you want you mind to perceive is usually what you tend to think. Not to say the standard is not good cause it’s phenomenal but, I think you will like the dots better. I just picked up a set of tour Issue Dots but haven’t hit them yet due to knee surgery a few weeks ago and still recovering. Wondering if there really is a difference in the retail dot vs Tour Issue and the wait time for recovery is killing me.

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> As for the weaker lofts...I currently play a 22* 4 iron and 26* 5 iron 30* 6 and so on. Do you think it would be the best of both worlds to get the DOTS and then just strength the lofts on them? And what degree lofts are y'all playing with the dots?

 

From what I've seen the distance control on the pros is quite good generally. At your speed though, I'd say you don't need the distance help so gained consistency of the DOT might be helpful. With an expensive set like this you'd might as well gap test the irons either way on monitor and get them adjusted to ensure the numbers are right through the set.

[bsquared25]

> @balls_deep said:

> > @bsquared25 said:

> > > @HackATK said:

> > > > @bsquared25 said:

> > > > Well fellas y’all got me all confused now on these. So I live out in West Texas and wind is a big issue for me. I am currently gaming some JPX900 tour(6-p) and forged (4-5) with c-taper 130x. I went to CC in FT Worth today and I went in with the idea since being a 0hc with 9 irons ss at 90+ I wanted a blade. Well after hitting everything he fixed me up the 19 pros regular but did talk heavily about the dots. He didn’t have them for me to hit and never gave me a true direction kinda just whichever you want to do. Either way these irons were leaps and bounds better for me. I have no issues hitting my longer irons just really want the forgiveness and tighten my game inside 165 yards and be able to control my ball better in the wind. I have attached a pic of my gamer and my apex pro averages from CC and a ball flight. Let me know if I should just stay with the regulars or go with the dots.

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> > > > Thanks boys

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> > > Apparently speed isn’t an issue for you, I would go with dots since you can handle the weaker lofts. I have hit the dots versus the standard pro and definitely prefer the dots. The feel is about the same but looks are better. Although it’s golf so whatever you want you mind to perceive is usually what you tend to think. Not to say the standard is not good cause it’s phenomenal but, I think you will like the dots better. I just picked up a set of tour Issue Dots but haven’t hit them yet due to knee surgery a few weeks ago and still recovering. Wondering if there really is a difference in the retail dot vs Tour Issue and the wait time for recovery is killing me.

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> > As for the weaker lofts...I currently play a 22* 4 iron and 26* 5 iron 30* 6 and so on. Do you think it would be the best of both worlds to get the DOTS and then just strength the lofts on them? And what degree lofts are y'all playing with the dots?

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> From what I've seen the distance control on the pros is quite good generally. At your speed though, I'd say you don't need the distance help so gained consistency of the DOT might be helpful. With an expensive set like this you'd might as well gap test the irons either way on monitor and get them adjusted to ensure the numbers are right through the set.

 

Yeah for sure. I'm probably pulling the trigger here soon. I am in between the DOTs and ap2s....anyone compare?