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> @reechard said:

> > @Popeye64 said:

> > > @reechard said:

> > > Popeye maybe you can answer this for me since it seems you have a very good understanding of ts1/ts2.

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> > > any idea on what OEM brand compares closest to this ? I wanna head down to the local shop and see if I can shaft compare with the most similar head. Currently gaming Cobra Amp Cell Pro's with S300's but I'm at the point where I want more forgiveness and the T1's seem extremely appealing.

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> > > I wanna see how these pair with an PX6.0 or Modus Tour 120 without having to pay the Canadian shipping and prices first.

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> > I found the the P790 was about as close of a comparison as you would find. Loft for loft the TS-2 matchup better and in launch monitor testing, launch and ball speed were nearly identical yet the TS-2 spun more by almost 350-400 rpm. The TS-1 have weaker lofts. I had those against a PXG and found those to be very similar in almost all data.

> > If I were to do shaft searching right now I would find a Mizuno dealer that had the new 3d shaft optimizer. Then I would try any of their game improvement forged heads. That will give you the best shart for you. In my tinkering with gear I have found that your best fit shaft travels very well to different head designs.

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> I'm currently in an s300. 7 iron is around 180. I believe the Cobra Amp cell pro 7 iron is @ 31*. From what I gather the TS1 is @ 32* so the 1* difference seems minuscule to me. I don't think I'll be able to try PXG clubs to compare. I was hoping possibly a Srixon 785 or Mizuno jpx 919 forged would be similar as I know the local Golftown Shop has those in the demo set that I could try to figure out the shaft situation.

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> The s300 is nice but working with coach to smoothen the swing. I've noticed the s300 is having a little bit of issues loading with a much smoother transition lately. Good information tho !

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> I'll report back the findings, incase anybody else is curious.

 

I dont have any experience with the 919 but the 785 would be a close fit, especially with the very similar sole design. There is a chance the TS-1 7 iron is coming out of rotation in my bag. I have that shafted with a DG 105 S300 flex. Years back the S300 were my go too shafts but a ton of graphite shaft testing showed me the benefits of lighter weight. I might be able to let you do some testing with that club.

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> @alarsen726 said:

> Hey popeye I’ve never owned any Maltby irons but I am gaming some mp25 right now and they don’t have the forgiveness I’m looking for. Would a ts2, ptm or dbm be a better more forgiving iron? Which would you rank the most forgiving?

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> Thanks

Most forgiving - PTM, then TS2, then DBM...but not significant enough difference in forgiveness to worry about.

 

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> > @alarsen726 said:

> > Hey popeye I’ve never owned any Maltby irons but I am gaming some mp25 right now and they don’t have the forgiveness I’m looking for. Would a ts2, ptm or dbm be a better more forgiving iron? Which would you rank the most forgiving?

> >

> > Thanks

> Most forgiving - PTM, then TS2, then DBM...but not significant enough difference in forgiveness to worry about.

>

 

Would you say the ts2 is worth the extra money over the ptm?

 

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Tough call on the value aspect. I found the PTM to be a bit more game improvement than I like, but 6 months after I think the Recoil shafts I had may not have been best for me. The TS2 are sweet, no doubt. If you prefer the looks and specs of the TS2, I wouldn't be bothered spending $100 more to get them. And I'd also be OK with spending $150 less for the TE Forged. They are all nice heads, and all perform well.

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> @alarsen726 said:

> Hey popeye I’ve never owned any Maltby irons but I am gaming some mp25 right now and they don’t have the forgiveness I’m looking for. Would a ts2, ptm or dbm be a better more forgiving iron? Which would you rank the most forgiving?

>

> Thanks

 

That's not a cut and dry question really. A lot of times its personal preference. The DBM has the smallest head but a very low COG and will really get the ball up quickly. The PTM has an over all head size fairly similar to the TS-2. The PTM has a wider sole and a lower COG. Visually the PTM looks a lot bigger for some reason.

I personally like the TS-2 better so I have some bias. If I had to rank them I would Go.. PTM, TS-2, and DBM. There is an argument for shuffling the PTM and the TS-2. For me it feels like you can hit the TS-2 all over the face and do pretty well. I feel the hollow head keeps ball speeds up as you really dont lose much distance on miss hits.

 

As a side not I had the TS-1s in play for a while and I just haven't fallen in love with them. I'll give them some more time but I'm going to work in some MMBs with graphite shafts.. TS-1s are Good irons but I find the TS-2 to just do things better with no drama and plenty of accuracy. The TS-1s definitely stay on the players side of the line.

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> @alarsen726 said:

> > @Sparky14 said:

> > > @alarsen726 said:

> > > Hey popeye I’ve never owned any Maltby irons but I am gaming some mp25 right now and they don’t have the forgiveness I’m looking for. Would a ts2, ptm or dbm be a better more forgiving iron? Which would you rank the most forgiving?

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> > > Thanks

> > Most forgiving - PTM, then TS2, then DBM...but not significant enough difference in forgiveness to worry about.

> >

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> Would you say the ts2 is worth the extra money over the ptm?

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My vote is Yes.

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I replaced my PTM's with TS-2. The PTM looks larger, has a thinner topline, and is less forgiving high on the face but more forgiving low on the face. The blade length and thinner topline makes it look longer than the TS-2 even through they are the same length. The proportions look better with the TS-2 unless you absolutely can't look at a thick topline. I used to fall into that category, but I don't even notice the topline now. I hit more toe shots with the PTM due to the longer looking blade. I can flight the TS-2's down way easier. The sole design is magical, rivalled only by Srixon.

 

The TS-2 is the best iron I've ever played and I've played a bunch in every category (my 3 favorite of all time are Macgregor 1025M blades, Taylormade R7's, and new all time favorite TS-2).

 

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> @"T.B." said:

> Was at golf works and these irons look and feel wonderful. They look so much better in person than the do in catalog. Looking forward to getting a set soon. I also heard they have a new driver out this summer that is going to make a big splash,,,according to some employees who’ve seen it and hit proto types

 

Are you referring to the ISO-T currently on the website but not yet released?

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Rather than create a new thread I'm curious in this main Maltby thread if anyone can help me decode Maltby MPF measurements and understand how the MMB-17 for example compares to 716 AP2 that I already own.

 

MMB-17 #6 - 1.391" C dim, 0.495" actual Rcog, 0.741" actual Vcog, MOI 11.4, blade length is 3.103" per Golfworks

716 AP2 #6 - 1.138" C-dim, 0.489" actual Rcog, 0.779" actual Vcog, MOI 14.1, blade length is 78.5mm / 3.090" per another site

 

I'm not concerned with the actual MPF bottom line number. I'm curious how the members here would assess playability of the sets. My take away is that Vcog, Rcog, and blade length are practically the same. The AP2 has much higher MOI and the MMB has the sweet spot much farther away from the hosel. My general observation through photos and reading is the MMB has a sharper leading edge and the AP2 is more rounded. Playability appears to be a push. Is this right?

 

I read Howard Jones', obviously a very respected member here, comments in post #10 at the link, [https://forums.golfwrx.com/discussion/476991/maltby-playability-factor/p1](https://forums.golfwrx.com/discussion/476991/maltby-playability-factor/p1 "https://forums.golfwrx.com/discussion/476991/maltby-playability-factor/p1"), Howard basically thought Rcog and Vcog were the most important measurements regarding toe hits over the MOI or C dimension.

 

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Dave

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I believe Maltby puts a big emphasis on the C-Dimension, I.e. the distance of the COG from the hosel. I think the bigger C-dimension, the better you are going to be out of a toe strike, because you'll have more mass closer to the impact, and less gear effect. I think if your miss is out of the toe you want to pay attention to Rcog (MOI) and C-Dimm.

 

Unless I've completely misunderstood C-dimm.

 

> @BogeyParBogey said:

> Rather than create a new thread I'm curious in this main Maltby thread if anyone can help me decode Maltby MPF measurements and understand how the MMB-17 for example compares to 716 AP2 that I already own.

>

> MMB-17 #6 - 1.391" C dim, 0.495" actual Rcog, 0.741" actual Vcog, MOI 11.4, blade length is 3.103" per Golfworks

> 716 AP2 #6 - 1.138" C-dim, 0.489" actual Rcog, 0.779" actual Vcog, MOI 14.1, blade length is 78.5mm / 3.090" per another site

>

> I'm not concerned with the actual MPF bottom line number. I'm curious how the members here would assess playability of the sets. My take away is that Vcog, Rcog, and blade length are practically the same. The AP2 has much higher MOI and the MMB has the sweet spot much farther away from the hosel. My general observation through photos and reading is the MMB has a sharper leading edge and the AP2 is more rounded. Playability appears to be a push. Is this right?

>

> I read Howard Jones', obviously a very respected member here, comments in post #10 at the link, [https://forums.golfwrx.com/discussion/476991/maltby-playability-factor/p1](https://forums.golfwrx.com/discussion/476991/maltby-playability-factor/p1 "https://forums.golfwrx.com/discussion/476991/maltby-playability-factor/p1"), Howard basically thought Rcog and Vcog were the most important measurements regarding toe hits over the MOI or C dimension.

>

> Regards

> Dave

 

 

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I just have to say after really trying to work in the TS-1s as a split set I just cant commit to them. They are good but the TS-2s just outshine them. In feel, forgiveness, consistency. I actually am doing far better with the MMBs in the short irons. I just cant get comfortable with the TS-1s.

The TS-2s in the top of the bag continue to be amazing. I actually have a pretty interesting mixed bag right now. Maltby M+ mid sole 58 and 54. MMB Black Gw-6 iron. 6 and 5 TS-2. (TS-2 6 iron is the loft of the MMB 5 iron.) The only chage I will make is adding the TS-2 7 iron. Right now those irons blend perfectly with lofting and the MMbs have some very tight gapping in play. Adding the 7 iron TS-2 is a 3.5° loft gap to the MMB 6 so its close enough. I have been able to hammer my irons dead on the numbers with great consistency. It's not that the TS1s were bad for me..Its just that the MMBs are THAT good still. The MMBs are a little tough at the 6 iron and up so that's where the change happens. An HDI 3 iron sits above the 5 iron before I go to 4 wood and driver. So far scoring extremely well with this setup.

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> @Golf4lifer said:

> I played my second round with the TS1’s and I am more than impressed. Even though it wasn’t my best ball striking day, my misses were more than playable. After today’s round I might go with the TS1 4 iron instead of the TS2.

 

I'd take a good look at your top iron gaps, you may want the 3iron instead of the 4 iron. 3/4/5 irons in TS1 only have 2.5* gaps, for me I would go from 5iron to 3 iron to get appropriate gaps in TS1 (also my 5iron is bent a bit strong to 23.5* from 25). I would imagine you would need a really high swing speed to make 2.5* gaps functional.

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> > @Golf4lifer said:

> > I played my second round with the TS1’s and I am more than impressed. Even though it wasn’t my best ball striking day, my misses were more than playable. After today’s round I might go with the TS1 4 iron instead of the TS2.

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> I'd take a good look at your top iron gaps, you may want the 3iron instead of the 4 iron. 3/4/5 irons in TS1 only have 2.5* gaps, for me I would go from 5iron to 3 iron to get appropriate gaps in TS1 (also my 5iron is bent a bit strong to 23.5* from 25). I would imagine you would need a really high swing speed to make 2.5* gaps functional.

 

Thanks for the heads up. I will definitely take a look at the gapings.

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> @CROUSE99 said:

> Can anyone compare the size of the TS-2's to the new Callaway Apex 19? The 19's are about as large as I want an iron head to be and it would be nice to know the size of the Maltby's in comparison.

 

I don't think the TS-2's are for you if the Apex 19 is your benchmark for size. Topline on the TS-2 is significantly thicker and overall head size is noticeably larger, both in length and toe height. The thick topline makes the TS-2 look more stubby/compact than it actually is. Offset is about the same in the short to mid irons, TS-2 has less in the longer irons.

 

Having said all that, I've just shafted up a TS-2 7 iron and am really impressed by how solid it feels. Great ball flight and very consistent on distance. A full club longer than my G25's, but to be fair my G25 is 2* weaker, so the TS-2 is more likely 1/2 a club longer.

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> @Tommyj said:

> > @CROUSE99 said:

> > Can anyone compare the size of the TS-2's to the new Callaway Apex 19? The 19's are about as large as I want an iron head to be and it would be nice to know the size of the Maltby's in comparison.

>

> I don't think the TS-2's are for you if the Apex 19 is your benchmark for size. Topline on the TS-2 is significantly thicker and overall head size is noticeably larger, both in length and toe height. The thick topline makes the TS-2 look more stubby/compact than it actually is. Offset is about the same in the short to mid irons, TS-2 has less in the longer irons.

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> Having said all that, I've just shafted up a TS-2 7 iron and am really impressed by how solid it feels. Great ball flight and very consistent on distance. A full club longer than my G25's, but to be fair my G25 is 2* weaker, so the TS-2 is more likely 1/2 a club longer.

 

Thanks Tommy. The TS-1 might be a better size for my liking.

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> @CROUSE99 said:

> > @Tommyj said:

> > > @CROUSE99 said:

> > > Can anyone compare the size of the TS-2's to the new Callaway Apex 19? The 19's are about as large as I want an iron head to be and it would be nice to know the size of the Maltby's in comparison.

> >

> > I don't think the TS-2's are for you if the Apex 19 is your benchmark for size. Topline on the TS-2 is significantly thicker and overall head size is noticeably larger, both in length and toe height. The thick topline makes the TS-2 look more stubby/compact than it actually is. Offset is about the same in the short to mid irons, TS-2 has less in the longer irons.

> >

> > Having said all that, I've just shafted up a TS-2 7 iron and am really impressed by how solid it feels. Great ball flight and very consistent on distance. A full club longer than my G25's, but to be fair my G25 is 2* weaker, so the TS-2 is more likely 1/2 a club longer.

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> Thanks Tommy. The TS-1 might be a better size for my liking.

 

To my eye, the TS-1 is slightly larger heel to toe than the Apex Pro 16’s I used to play. They are much smaller than the CF 16’s to me as well. I have not looked at the new Apex 19’s as the TS-1’s are that good.

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