2019 Charles Schwab Challenge

[Lagavulin62]

> @caniac6 said:

> I wonder why Kenny Perry is skipping a Senior Major to play in this event?

 

At +9 he may regret it. I see Purtz got the message early and withdrew. Haha Nobody wants to be the next Rod Curl. Go Home!

[flushem]

another (windy) bloodbath

 

Xander +6

Casey -1

Fowler +4

Rahm +5

Rose +4

Molinari +1

DeChambeau +2

 

[lowheel]

> @buckeye440 said:

> > @lowheel said:

> > Jordan with a 65 that includes a double and a bogey... Wow

>

> On a par 70. No that wow

 

come on man... its actually tougher to do without 2 extra par 5s.

[tiderider]

 

 

> @lowheel said:

> > @buckeye440 said:

> > > @lowheel said:

> > > Jordan with a 65 that includes a double and a bogey... Wow

> >

> > On a par 70. No that wow

>

> come on man... its actually tougher to do without 2 extra par 5s.

 

8 birdies ... classic spieth round .. made some long putts ... got up and down a few times ... hit it to 15 ft or so from the rough a few times ... even had a testy exchange with his caddie ... then apologized for it ...

[OldTomMorris]

> @flushem said:

> another (windy) bloodbath

>

> Xander +6

> Casey -1

> Fowler +4

> Rahm +5

> Rose +4

> Molinari +1

> DeChambeau +2

>

 

Rahm has a poor record in tough conditions, weather or setup. Augusta aside his record at majors, WGCs, The Players etc. is poor apart from the odd result here and there. Must be his temperament as he clearly has the skills.

 

[Maximilian]

Dru Love is so close now, I can just feel it! They should definitely continue giving him exemptions.

[OldTomMorris]

> @Maximilian said:

> Dru Love is so close now, I can just feel it! They should definitely continue giving him exemptions.

 

14 MC in 17 PGA Tour starts.

 

[wcbjr]

Good grief, the PGA Tour Live announcers this morning are atrocious.

[Lagavulin62]

Well Kenny left early. Oh what’s with Sabatini? Not good. Nice to see Furyk having a good tournament.

[Maximilian]

> @Lagavulin62 said:

> Oh what’s with Sabatini? Not good.

He's quietly been having a pretty nice season. He's been good for my Fantasy League (and I have him this week too).

[Titleist_PT23]

> @tiderider said:

> > @golftejas said:

> > > @tiderider said:

> > > > @Lagavulin62 said:

> > > > This tournament is starting to suffer with the scheduling. I wonder how much longer it will be around?

> > >

> > > > @Lagavulin62 said:

> > > > > @buckeye440 said:

> > > > > > @Lagavulin62 said:

> > > > > > This tournament is starting to suffer with the scheduling. I wonder how much longer it will be around?

> > > > >

> > > > > Tough to go after a major. Field still have Rose, Molinari, Bryson, Xander and Fowler (half of the top 10) and Rahm at 11. Additionally have others like Spieth, Furyk, Finau that most people who watch some golf know. Then an **** load of good players/former major winners such as Zack Johnson, Kaymer, McDowell, Oosthuizen, Walker, Casey, Poulter, Billy Ho, Kisner, and many others with tour wins and guys often in contention. Overall seems decent to me. I'd buy a ticket if I was in DFW.

> > > >

> > > > They’re not doing it any favors is what I am saying. Don’t forget it’s also the week before Memorial. The players love Colonial as they always have. However they cant be expected to continue 3 weeks straight, and thats considering if they didn’t play the week before the PGA. So if this continues then I just wonder about it.

> > >

> > > you said it's "starting to suffer", meaning the "suffering" began in the past ... when has it suffered in the past, before the new schedule? ...

> > The tournament sponsor has changed to Charles Schwab with I believe a 5-year commitment ... very positive. I think the other thing Colonial really has going for it is the players love the course because it isn't wide-open bomb-and-gouge but rather an old-style tree-lined course requiring more shot making ... allows alot of players to be in the mix. And from an on-site fans perspective it's excellent ... several places with multiple greens and tees close to each other, on both nines.

>

> i agree ... didn't understand or don't know how it has "suffered" previous to the schedule change, nor how one can determine it is suffering now ... people seem to think every tournament must be a tier 1 tournament equal to the memorial ... most are not tier 1 ... but this is one of the better ones, actually ...

Maybe it's perception. I see half of the top 10 are playing and the SOF has changed much y/y and it's up from a few years ago.

 

But it seems like for many years this tournament (and the Byron Nelson) hasn't usually drawn the best of the best (ex-Spieth who plays since they are in DFW). Maybe this is partly just who's more popular

though (DJ, Koepka, Rory, JT, Tiger, Phil, etc don't seem to be here often if at all).

[dalehead]

> @lowheel said:

> > @buckeye440 said:

> > > @lowheel said:

> > > Jordan with a 65 that includes a double and a bogey... Wow

> >

> > On a par 70. No that wow

>

> come on man... its actually tougher to do without 2 extra par 5s.

 

How so? Assume a player birdies all of the par 5's. On a par 70 course that means he has to birdie 3 of the remaining holes, while staying bogey free to shoot 65. Same on a par 72. Birdie the par 5's plus 3 other holes and stay bogey free.

[Lagavulin62]

> @agolf1 said:

> > @tiderider said:

> > > @golftejas said:

> > > > @tiderider said:

> > > > > @Lagavulin62 said:

> > > > > This tournament is starting to suffer with the scheduling. I wonder how much longer it will be around?

> > > >

> > > > > @Lagavulin62 said:

> > > > > > @buckeye440 said:

> > > > > > > @Lagavulin62 said:

> > > > > > > This tournament is starting to suffer with the scheduling. I wonder how much longer it will be around?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Tough to go after a major. Field still have Rose, Molinari, Bryson, Xander and Fowler (half of the top 10) and Rahm at 11. Additionally have others like Spieth, Furyk, Finau that most people who watch some golf know. Then an **** load of good players/former major winners such as Zack Johnson, Kaymer, McDowell, Oosthuizen, Walker, Casey, Poulter, Billy Ho, Kisner, and many others with tour wins and guys often in contention. Overall seems decent to me. I'd buy a ticket if I was in DFW.

> > > > >

> > > > > They’re not doing it any favors is what I am saying. Don’t forget it’s also the week before Memorial. The players love Colonial as they always have. However they cant be expected to continue 3 weeks straight, and thats considering if they didn’t play the week before the PGA. So if this continues then I just wonder about it.

> > > >

> > > > you said it's "starting to suffer", meaning the "suffering" began in the past ... when has it suffered in the past, before the new schedule? ...

> > > The tournament sponsor has changed to Charles Schwab with I believe a 5-year commitment ... very positive. I think the other thing Colonial really has going for it is the players love the course because it isn't wide-open bomb-and-gouge but rather an old-style tree-lined course requiring more shot making ... allows alot of players to be in the mix. And from an on-site fans perspective it's excellent ... several places with multiple greens and tees close to each other, on both nines.

> >

> > i agree ... didn't understand or don't know how it has "suffered" previous to the schedule change, nor how one can determine it is suffering now ... people seem to think every tournament must be a tier 1 tournament equal to the memorial ... most are not tier 1 ... but this is one of the better ones, actually ...

> Maybe it's perception.

 

Probably so. To me it seems not as special as in years past. But just my opinion.

 

I understand from a business POV it’s fine. So no reason to argue that angle. I have no financial stake in this myself.

 

 

[KillerPenguin]

> @agolf1 said:

> > @tiderider said:

> > > @golftejas said:

> > > > @tiderider said:

> > > > > @Lagavulin62 said:

> > > > > This tournament is starting to suffer with the scheduling. I wonder how much longer it will be around?

> > > >

> > > > > @Lagavulin62 said:

> > > > > > @buckeye440 said:

> > > > > > > @Lagavulin62 said:

> > > > > > > This tournament is starting to suffer with the scheduling. I wonder how much longer it will be around?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Tough to go after a major. Field still have Rose, Molinari, Bryson, Xander and Fowler (half of the top 10) and Rahm at 11. Additionally have others like Spieth, Furyk, Finau that most people who watch some golf know. Then an **** load of good players/former major winners such as Zack Johnson, Kaymer, McDowell, Oosthuizen, Walker, Casey, Poulter, Billy Ho, Kisner, and many others with tour wins and guys often in contention. Overall seems decent to me. I'd buy a ticket if I was in DFW.

> > > > >

> > > > > They’re not doing it any favors is what I am saying. Don’t forget it’s also the week before Memorial. The players love Colonial as they always have. However they cant be expected to continue 3 weeks straight, and thats considering if they didn’t play the week before the PGA. So if this continues then I just wonder about it.

> > > >

> > > > you said it's "starting to suffer", meaning the "suffering" began in the past ... when has it suffered in the past, before the new schedule? ...

> > > The tournament sponsor has changed to Charles Schwab with I believe a 5-year commitment ... very positive. I think the other thing Colonial really has going for it is the players love the course because it isn't wide-open bomb-and-gouge but rather an old-style tree-lined course requiring more shot making ... allows alot of players to be in the mix. And from an on-site fans perspective it's excellent ... several places with multiple greens and tees close to each other, on both nines.

> >

> > i agree ... didn't understand or don't know how it has "suffered" previous to the schedule change, nor how one can determine it is suffering now ... people seem to think every tournament must be a tier 1 tournament equal to the memorial ... most are not tier 1 ... but this is one of the better ones, actually ...

> Maybe it's perception. I see half of the top 10 are playing and the SOF has changed much y/y and it's up from a few years ago.

>

> But it seems like for many years this tournament (and the Byron Nelson) hasn't usually drawn the best of the best (ex-Spieth who plays since they are in DFW). Maybe this is partly just who's more popular

> though (DJ, Koepka, Rory, JT, Tiger, Phil, etc don't seem to be here often if at all).

 

Common theme is none of them are from Texas nor currently live in Texas so there is less personal pull to be there. Also, Colonial was traditionally thought of as a bomber-proof quirky little track, though Tony Finau may be changing some minds with a 64 and only 3 fairways hit (in fairness, I have no idea how far in the rough he was on average). I can't imagine the Texas heat in May makes it anymore attractive for the top tier players who can take a pass on weekly checks. And now that the PGA is in May, it's going to hurt both tournaments even more.

[flushem]

Isn't Blixt Monday qualifier?

 

I see ol' timers creeping up on the leaderboard as of 1:25pm CST.

 

K Na -8

R Sabattini -6

N Watney -5

J Furyk -6

[flushem]

> @OldTomMorris said:

> > @flushem said:

> > another (windy) bloodbath

> >

> > Xander +6

> > Casey -1

> > Fowler +4

> > Rahm +5

> > Rose +4

> > Molinari +1

> > DeChambeau +2

> >

>

> Rahm has a poor record in tough conditions, weather or setup. Augusta aside his record at majors, WGCs, The Players etc. is poor apart from the odd result here and there. Must be his temperament as he clearly has the skills.

>

 

you nailed it.

[Hankshank]

Happy to see the merry Värmländer play well again. Or rather, finding some swing to match that lethal putter. Anti-Westwood.

[lowheel]

> @dalehead said:

> > @lowheel said:

> > > @buckeye440 said:

> > > > @lowheel said:

> > > > Jordan with a 65 that includes a double and a bogey... Wow

> > >

> > > On a par 70. No that wow

> >

> > come on man... its actually tougher to do without 2 extra par 5s.

>

> How so? Assume a player birdies all of the par 5's. On a par 70 course that means he has to birdie 3 of the remaining holes, while staying bogey free to shoot 65. Same on a par 72. Birdie the par 5's plus 3 other holes and stay bogey free.

 

this cant be a serious post... find me a tour player who thinks a par 70 plays easier than a par 72 on tour...

[flushem]

Charles Schwab Challenge updated

 

T Finau 11/4

K Na 5/1

J Blixt 6/1

J Spieth 6/1

R Sabbatini 12/1

C.T. Pan 20/1

J Furyk 20/1

J Dufner 25/1

N Watney 30/1

T Mullinax 40/1

R Palmer 50/1

T Hatton 50/1

S Piercy 60/1

D Berger 100/1

J Rose 100/1

[HitEmTrue]

> @lowheel said:

> > @dalehead said:

> > > @lowheel said:

> > > > @buckeye440 said:

> > > > > @lowheel said:

> > > > > Jordan with a 65 that includes a double and a bogey... Wow

> > > >

> > > > On a par 70. No that wow

> > >

> > > come on man... its actually tougher to do without 2 extra par 5s.

> >

> > How so? Assume a player birdies all of the par 5's. On a par 70 course that means he has to birdie 3 of the remaining holes, while staying bogey free to shoot 65. Same on a par 72. Birdie the par 5's plus 3 other holes and stay bogey free.

>

> this cant be a serious post... find me a tour player who thinks a par 70 plays easier than a par 72 on tour...

 

It’s easier to go lower in relation to par on a par 72. But it should be easier to shoot a 65 on a par 70. It’s 5 below par, not 7.

 

[lowheel]

> @tiderider said:

>

>

> > @lowheel said:

> > > @buckeye440 said:

> > > > @lowheel said:

> > > > Jordan with a 65 that includes a double and a bogey... Wow

> > >

> > > On a par 70. No that wow

> >

> > come on man... its actually tougher to do without 2 extra par 5s.

>

> 8 birdies ... classic spieth round .. made some long putts ... got up and down a few times ... hit it to 15 ft or so from the rough a few times ... even had a testy exchange with his caddie ... then apologized for it ...

 

it was like a prime Phil round.Roller coaster with chip ins bombs and doubles

[Lagavulin62]

> @flushem said:

> > @OldTomMorris said:

> > > @flushem said:

> > > another (windy) bloodbath

> > >

> > > Xander +6

> > > Casey -1

> > > Fowler +4

> > > Rahm +5

> > > Rose +4

> > > Molinari +1

> > > DeChambeau +2

> > >

> >

> > Rahm has a poor record in tough conditions, weather or setup. Augusta aside his record at majors, WGCs, The Players etc. is poor apart from the odd result here and there. Must be his temperament as he clearly has the skills.

> >

>

> you nailed it.

 

I guess he will never kiss the jug. Too bad.

[Pent08]

There's an article on golfchannel.com which states that Spieth made 307 ft of putts through the first 36 holes.

[OldTomMorris]

> @OldTomMorris said:

> > @Maximilian said:

> > Dru Love is so close now, I can just feel it! They should definitely continue giving him exemptions.

>

> 14 MC in 17 PGA Tour starts.

>

 

+18 another MC

[OldTomMorris]

> @Pent08 said:

> There's an article on golfchannel.com which states that Spieth made 307 ft of putts through the first 36 holes.

 

He also missed two very makable putts in round 2, one 8 footer and a 5 footer. Obviously holed some long ones too.

[2putttom]

> @Maximilian said:

> Dru Love is so close now, I can just feel it! They should definitely continue giving him exemptions.

 

what university did he play for ?

[Maximilian]

> @2putttom said:

> > @Maximilian said:

> > Dru Love is so close now, I can just feel it! They should definitely continue giving him exemptions.

>

> what university did he play for ?

I don’t know. All I know is he’s obviously not PGA Tour quality and it’s getting more and more embarrassing. He’s played two web.com events and missed the cut in those too. Maybe start there...

 

[Pent08]

Typical Spieth start, holing two birdie putts from 30 ft and 20 ft on #1 and #2.

[starsail85]

40 footer on 7

 

The guy is unreal , I hate his quirky swing and manorisms but he holes 20-40 footers like nobody I’ve seen before

[buckeye440]

> @HitEmTrue said:

> > @lowheel said:

> > > @dalehead said:

> > > > @lowheel said:

> > > > > @buckeye440 said:

> > > > > > @lowheel said:

> > > > > > Jordan with a 65 that includes a double and a bogey... Wow

> > > > >

> > > > > On a par 70. No that wow

> > > >

> > > > come on man... its actually tougher to do without 2 extra par 5s.

> > >

> > > How so? Assume a player birdies all of the par 5's. On a par 70 course that means he has to birdie 3 of the remaining holes, while staying bogey free to shoot 65. Same on a par 72. Birdie the par 5's plus 3 other holes and stay bogey free.

> >

> > this cant be a serious post... find me a tour player who thinks a par 70 plays easier than a par 72 on tour...

>

> It’s easier to go lower in relation to par on a par 72. But it should be easier to shoot a 65 on a par 70. It’s 5 below par, not 7.

>

 

This is it right here. Don't get me a 65 is good either way but nobody really going to call a 67 a wow score on a par 72. It like when you hear somebody shot all rounds in the 60s but played on a par 70 and short 4 rounds of 69.