My experience gaming clubs that were designed for my handicap range

[nsxguy]

> @MelloYello said:

> It's funny to me to hear you guys argue against video and how it will lead to obsessing about positions and all that jazz.

>

> I understand what you're getting at but consider that 99% of golfers at your local range have _never_ seen their swing on video before _at all_.

>

>

 

The main problem is that 99% of those 99% wouldn't have the first idea how good or bad their swing was and, IF they realized it wasn't all that good, wouldn't have the first clue how to go about correcting it.

 

Video of one's swing coupled with instruction is one thing. Some instructional videos are worthwhile as well, but otherwise watching video of one's own swing would probably just lead to (even more) confusion.

[cliffhanger]

The main problem is that people continue to toss around ridiculous stats in this thread. Blades are awesome, get over it.

[nsxguy]

LOL

[BIG STU]

> @nsxguy said:

> > @bodhi555 said:

> > > @pinestreetgolf said:

> > > > @gvogel said:

> > > > > @dciccoritti said:

> > > > > > @IamMarkMac said:

> > > > > > The analogy is good. Another follow up question is, between a 1 inch diameter hammer and an 8 inch cast iron pan, what will the nail better if you're off center by 2 inches?

> > > > >

> > > > > Doesn't happen. EVER! I've been in the construction business for 30 years and NO ONE misses the nail EVER! Like NEVER! And in all these years with some talking about ideas to improve tools, NOT ONCE has anyone EVER mentioned the idea of a larger headed hammer. EVER! Never been an issue and never been a discussion. And this across all skill levels.

> > > > >

> > > > > And if anyone ever came to work with a frying pan, they would be escorted off the property immediately.

> > > > >

> > > > > This in an industry (like many) where time is money and precision matters.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > So why do most all elite professional golfers use 460 cc or 450 cc driver heads? Say, as compared to something the size of a mini driver?

> > >

> > > Good question. I played tennis in college. At no point did anyone suggest that we use a tennis racket with a head the size of a milk saucer to improve our focus. We used heart monitors to check if we were feeling pressure, we used sophisticated (for the time) technology to "map" our serves for velocity and spin, but nobody every suggested using inferior equipment to improve focus.

> > >

> > > We should have hired some of the guys in this thread as consultants: if I had practiced with a rock superglued to handle I could have won the national championship. I would have been focused AF.

> >

> > Cool story bro. Not sure the relevance, given tennis is a completely different game. I'm sure of I had to hit a 7 iron with the ball bouncing at waist height then some shovels would be the way forwards, but I don't. So they aren't.

> >

> > But if you must bring another sport into it pool would be a much better example. You can use the stubby cueues that the pub provide, or bring your own with a finer tip. Harder to use, but gives more control over the cueue ball for those who can.

>

> Actually there's an excellent correlation of tennis rackets to golf irons.

>

> Way back when (when there were only blades in golf) there were also only small, unforgiving "blade-like" (if you will) tennis rackets as well. Small and unforgiving.

>

> Then someone realized that by making the rackets larger improved forgiveness and made the racket more powerful as well.

>

> And larger still not only improved forgiveness even more but also made the racket even more powerful for seniors and other weaker players. For the pros however, as the oversize rackets were too powerful and hard to control, the mid-sized/"PCB" racket, turned out to be the best combination of power and accuracy.

>

> Now, I hardly watch any tennis at all anymore but I'm betting that most, if not all pros and other highly skilled players, are playing mid-size/"PCB" type rackets. Possibly a few are playing oversize/"GI" type rackets. I doubt there are any "small/"blade" type racket on the Pro Tennis circuit.

 

I do not know squat about tennis period. The only thing I know about tennis is sometimes they use lead tape on the rackets. LOL when I was in the wrecker business this kid worked part time dispatch was an avid tennis player. He was real shy too. One day he came to me and asked shyly if I had any lead tape. How much do you need ? as I retrieved a roll out of the door pocket of my pick up. I told him use as much as he wanted I had plenty. He put several pieces on a racket and explained to me why and what he was doing. Like I said I do not know squat about tennis but the physics of what he was doing and why made perfect sense to me. And no I have no idea what size the racket was or the brand

[BIG STU]

> @bladehunter said:

> > @MelloYello said:

> > It's funny to me to hear you guys argue against video and how it will lead to obsessing about positions and all that jazz.

> >

> > I understand what you're getting at but consider that 99% of golfers at your local range have _never_ seen their swing on video before _at all_.

> >

> >

>

> I don’t disagree totally. I just think that for me anyway. It’s a double edged sword. It can (can) bind me up. When in playing well likely have for last 2-4 months. I want to be free. Without a swing thought at all. If he train falls all the way off. Then sure I guess nothing could hurt. I just don’t like it as a maintenance tool. I prefer to concentrate on path , face and tempo. If my setup is right the others I can manipulate to get the ball in the hole.

 

I agree 110% ---- I do not want to think over the ball period---- I am a classic example of paralysis by analysis----- My favorite saying "Just hit the ball stupid"---- Of course I will admit I am a feel and instinct player

[Stuart_G]

> @nostatic said:

> > @Stuart_G said:

> > > @revanant said:

> > > The only real difference I’ve noticed is that I might save the rare toe hit with the 716 cb, but those shots are pretty uncommon—maybe one or two in an hour of practice. The other item is the less consistent contact, where the 716 cb seems to fight my shallow swing a little—which was why I was thinking it might be a lie angle issue.

> >

> > I'd think the lighter shaft weight (and maybe lighter swing weight) would be a much more likely cause for that kind of inconsistency.

> >

> >

>

> I have some lead tape showing up today to experiment with. I moved to graphite to try and get some joint relief, but I've had more inconsistency than it feels like I should given where I am working with a coach. Was originally in DG120, now am in PX LX Tour graphite which are a lot lighter. Seems like an easy test to add some mass to the heads and see how the swing reacts.

 

Lead tape can be used to not just play with swing weight but to mess around with simulating a heavier shaft weight as well. Instead of putting the lead tape on the head, wrap it around the shaft a little bit below the grip. In fact it's usually easier to figure out the best shaft weight first - then play around with swing weight second.

 

[pinestreetgolf]

> @bladehunter said:

> > @MelloYello said:

> > It's funny to me to hear you guys argue against video and how it will lead to obsessing about positions and all that jazz.

> >

> > I understand what you're getting at but consider that 99% of golfers at your local range have _never_ seen their swing on video before _at all_.

> >

> >

>

> I don’t disagree totally. I just think that for me anyway. It’s a double edged sword. It can (can) bind me up. When in playing well likely have for last 2-4 months. I want to be free. Without a swing thought at all. If he train falls all the way off. Then sure I guess nothing could hurt. I just don’t like it as a maintenance tool. I prefer to concentrate on path , face and tempo. If my setup is right the others I can manipulate to get the ball in the hole.

 

After all, tempo swing thoughts are the glue that holds a bad swing together. How else can you time all the compensations?

 

Not wanting to see your swing on video on the grounds that it will make you over-analyze things is really silly. I mean, I get it I guess, but its really, really silly.

 

LOOK AWAY I'M HIDEOUS

[bladehunter]

> @pinestreetgolf said:

> > @bladehunter said:

> > > @MelloYello said:

> > > It's funny to me to hear you guys argue against video and how it will lead to obsessing about positions and all that jazz.

> > >

> > > I understand what you're getting at but consider that 99% of golfers at your local range have _never_ seen their swing on video before _at all_.

> > >

> > >

> >

> > I don’t disagree totally. I just think that for me anyway. It’s a double edged sword. It can (can) bind me up. When in playing well likely have for last 2-4 months. I want to be free. Without a swing thought at all. If he train falls all the way off. Then sure I guess nothing could hurt. I just don’t like it as a maintenance tool. I prefer to concentrate on path , face and tempo. If my setup is right the others I can manipulate to get the ball in the hole.

>

> After all, tempo swing thoughts are the glue that holds a bad swing together. How else can you time all the compensations?

>

> Not wanting to see your swing on video on the grounds that it will make you over-analyze things is really silly. I mean, I get it I guess, but its really, really silly.

>

> LOOK AWAY I'M HIDEOUS

 

Well. I’m trying to shoot 67-69 every time I tee it up. Don’t succeed often. But a scoring average of 72.6 as of today says I’m not in possession of a “ bad swing “.

 

I’m certain you didn’t mean that as it sounded. So no harm done.

 

But I’ll add. Tempo is the glue that holds any swing together . Don’t believe it. Try speeding yours up, or if it’s fast naturally Pause at the top. Do it for a whole round. I’d bet you go 10 shots over your average. Tempo doesn’t mean slow. It means being aware of YOUR correct speed. Everybody has one.

[dciccoritti]

Well since comments are disabled....blades > CB's :-P

[Tree Levino]

> @dciccoritti said:

> Well since comments are disabled....blades > CB's :-P

Fake blades (iblades) feeling nice.