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I have very interested in this set. But I dont really want to flow them. I am thinking full blade or full cavity. Which would you choose?

Driver: Paradym 3D Ventus black TR 6x

3 wood: Paradym 3d Ventus black TR 7x

19 degree UW: Ventus black TR 8x

Mizuno Pro Fli Hi 4 utility Hazrdus black 90 6.5 X

5 -PW: Callaway Apex MB, KBS $ taper 130X

Wedges - Jaws raw 50, 54, 59 KBS $ taper 130x

Putter- Mutant Wilson Staff 8802 with stroke lab shaft
BALL; Chrome Soft X

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The 19’ full cavity set is amazing, you won’t be disappointed. The tungsten weights in sole and toe really improve stability. Very very solid set of irons, surprisingly long too.

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Irons: 19' Cobra CB's
Drivers: Titleist TS3 & Cobra F9
Fairway: Titleist 917F2
Hybrid: A-Grind
2 iron: Ping Rapture
Wedges: Ping Gorge 2.0 Stealth's
Putter: Evnroll 9.1
Balls: ProV1

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> @"Big Ben" said:

> The 19’ full cavity set is amazing, you won’t be disappointed. The tungsten weights in sole and toe really improve stability. Very very solid set of irons, surprisingly long too.

 

I am a huge fan of the $ - taper shaft. I just worry about the bending that I have been hearing about with KBS shafts.

Driver: Paradym 3D Ventus black TR 6x

3 wood: Paradym 3d Ventus black TR 7x

19 degree UW: Ventus black TR 8x

Mizuno Pro Fli Hi 4 utility Hazrdus black 90 6.5 X

5 -PW: Callaway Apex MB, KBS $ taper 130X

Wedges - Jaws raw 50, 54, 59 KBS $ taper 130x

Putter- Mutant Wilson Staff 8802 with stroke lab shaft
BALL; Chrome Soft X

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> @balls_deep said:

> They look identical from address so I'd just go for the combo honestly. You won't even notice you'll just get help in the long irons which most (if not all of us) could use. Personally, I'd go 4 King utility, 5-7 CB, and 8-PW MB.

 

That is good to know. most flow sets you can really tell the difference from the top.

Driver: Paradym 3D Ventus black TR 6x

3 wood: Paradym 3d Ventus black TR 7x

19 degree UW: Ventus black TR 8x

Mizuno Pro Fli Hi 4 utility Hazrdus black 90 6.5 X

5 -PW: Callaway Apex MB, KBS $ taper 130X

Wedges - Jaws raw 50, 54, 59 KBS $ taper 130x

Putter- Mutant Wilson Staff 8802 with stroke lab shaft
BALL; Chrome Soft X

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> @QuigleyDU said:

> > @balls_deep said:

> > They look identical from address so I'd just go for the combo honestly. You won't even notice you'll just get help in the long irons which most (if not all of us) could use. Personally, I'd go 4 King utility, 5-7 CB, and 8-PW MB.

>

> That is good to know. most flow sets you can really tell the difference from the top.

 

Personally, I'd be going the Ping Blueprint if I was getting a set of true blades. Fondled them in store and oh my gawwwwwwd they're nice.

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> @balls_deep said:

> > @QuigleyDU said:

> > > @balls_deep said:

> > > They look identical from address so I'd just go for the combo honestly. You won't even notice you'll just get help in the long irons which most (if not all of us) could use. Personally, I'd go 4 King utility, 5-7 CB, and 8-PW MB.

> >

> > That is good to know. most flow sets you can really tell the difference from the top.

>

> Personally, I'd be going the Ping Blueprint if I was getting a set of true blades. Fondled them in store and oh my gawwwwwwd they're nice.

 

They are amazing, I love the way they look. They are just soo expensive.

Driver: Paradym 3D Ventus black TR 6x

3 wood: Paradym 3d Ventus black TR 7x

19 degree UW: Ventus black TR 8x

Mizuno Pro Fli Hi 4 utility Hazrdus black 90 6.5 X

5 -PW: Callaway Apex MB, KBS $ taper 130X

Wedges - Jaws raw 50, 54, 59 KBS $ taper 130x

Putter- Mutant Wilson Staff 8802 with stroke lab shaft
BALL; Chrome Soft X

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I have hit both and game a set of Forged Tour's which I feel is a better AP2. As someone who use to game blades since college I don't really see the need any more. The purpose was flighting and control but now with ball advancements and multi material heads there is really no need for a blade anymore outside of looks and comfort. Bryson just went to a blade, at least in the higher lofted irons because the longer shaft launches higher and the blades will allow for lower launch conditions but in traditional lengths it's mostly a moot point. Both feel great, and the CB is sort of a muscly CB. At this point I'd consider 8,9,W in muscleback but that's as far as I'd go personally and really I'd just go CB with a MB gapper if you went that route. They are also surprisingly long for forged blade/cb. it might be the tungsten weighting but the ball seems to spin a bit less than traditional forgings.

 

Both feel just about the same and as said above are indistinguishable from address. I am a huge Cobra fan and have a bag full of their stuff. My only complaint is the wedges, they're just good. The grind is outstanding but the head is a little rounded for my liking and the sweetspot is a little more toward the heel, which while typical of wedges, is something companies have started to address. With that said I use the wedges and don't really feel like they hurt me.

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> @Hubijerk said:

> I have hit both and game a set of Forged Tour's which I feel is a better AP2. As someone who use to game blades since college I don't really see the need any more. The purpose was flighting and control but now with ball advancements and multi material heads there is really no need for a blade anymore outside of looks and comfort. Bryson just went to a blade, at least in the higher lofted irons because the longer shaft launches higher and the blades will allow for lower launch conditions but in traditional lengths it's mostly a moot point. Both feel great, and the CB is sort of a muscly CB. At this point I'd consider 8,9,W in muscleback but that's as far as I'd go personally and really I'd just go CB with a MB gapper if you went that route. They are also surprisingly long for forged blade/cb. it might be the tungsten weighting but the ball seems to spin a bit less than traditional forgings.

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> Both feel just about the same and as said above are indistinguishable from address. I am a huge Cobra fan and have a bag full of their stuff. My only complaint is the wedges, they're just good. The grind is outstanding but the head is a little rounded for my liking and the sweetspot is a little more toward the heel, which while typical of wedges, is something companies have started to address. With that said I use the wedges and don't really feel like they hurt me.

 

They make great equipment. My F9 is the first club I've gamed from them and it has been nothing short of fantastic thus far. I would definitely consider their woods and utility as well. I like higher spin irons which is why I'm using what I am but would definitely consider gaming the CB down the road.

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> i had 4-GW in the blades and they were super small but really not all that demanding to play. felt great and looked even better with the paintfill removed. stupidly i traded them for some mizuno jpx ez forged that i really liked the shape and feel of but could not use the XP95 shaft. wish i got a mulligan on that one. hopefully these blueprints will make me forget all about those cobra mbs.

Good news is the MBs can be had for pretty cheap. Many buy them and then realize they can't hit them haha. There's a set near me for sale right now, I believe the tag line is "shamefully going back to my AP2 with tail between my legs"

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> @"DFS PFD" said:

> The MB v CB forgiveness is negligible, I'd go with a full set of whichever looks best to you. Can't go wrong with either of the Cobra's.

 

That is kinda my thought. I am guessing there is not much difference.

Driver: Paradym 3D Ventus black TR 6x

3 wood: Paradym 3d Ventus black TR 7x

19 degree UW: Ventus black TR 8x

Mizuno Pro Fli Hi 4 utility Hazrdus black 90 6.5 X

5 -PW: Callaway Apex MB, KBS $ taper 130X

Wedges - Jaws raw 50, 54, 59 KBS $ taper 130x

Putter- Mutant Wilson Staff 8802 with stroke lab shaft
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> @"DFS PFD" said:

> The MB v CB forgiveness is negligible, I'd go with a full set of whichever looks best to you. Can't go wrong with either of the Cobra's.

 

Many threads are turning into this argument. As above they feel and look nearly identical. The CB _will_ give help on miss hits. The 18th hole at a course near my cottage is a tricky little par 3. Perfect 6 or 7 iron distance depending on where the blocks are set up that day. Pond on the left and bunker on the right both guarding the green. You're going into that last hole trying to beat whoever you're playing or card a solid score, you bet your a** that "negligible" amount of help is important for most golfers. Just one guy's opinion.

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> @balls_deep said:

> > @"DFS PFD" said:

> > The MB v CB forgiveness is negligible, I'd go with a full set of whichever looks best to you. Can't go wrong with either of the Cobra's.

>

> Many threads are turning into this argument. As above they feel and look nearly identical. The CB _will_ give help on miss hits. The 18th hole at a course near my cottage is a tricky little par 3. Perfect 6 or 7 iron distance depending on where the blocks are set up that day. Pond on the left and bunker on the right both guarding the green. You're going into that last hole trying to beat whoever you're playing or card a solid score, you bet your a** that "negligible" amount of help is important for most golfers. Just one guy's opinion.

 

I agree with this as well. haha. I am thinking about doing what you said. CB's till about the 8-9 iron.

Driver: Paradym 3D Ventus black TR 6x

3 wood: Paradym 3d Ventus black TR 7x

19 degree UW: Ventus black TR 8x

Mizuno Pro Fli Hi 4 utility Hazrdus black 90 6.5 X

5 -PW: Callaway Apex MB, KBS $ taper 130X

Wedges - Jaws raw 50, 54, 59 KBS $ taper 130x

Putter- Mutant Wilson Staff 8802 with stroke lab shaft
BALL; Chrome Soft X

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> @balls_deep said:

> > @"DFS PFD" said:

> > The MB v CB forgiveness is negligible, I'd go with a full set of whichever looks best to you. Can't go wrong with either of the Cobra's.

>

> Many threads are turning into this argument. As above they feel and look nearly identical. The CB _will_ give help on miss hits. The 18th hole at a course near my cottage is a tricky little par 3. Perfect 6 or 7 iron distance depending on where the blocks are set up that day. Pond on the left and bunker on the right both guarding the green. You're going into that last hole trying to beat whoever you're playing or card a solid score, you bet your a** that "negligible" amount of help is important for most golfers. Just one guy's opinion.

 

That mental confidence alone is worth a lot. We're talking less than a yard or two in actual forgiveness would be my guess (which yes can be in the water or not). Just giving my .02. Would be interesting for someone to provide actual performance metrics for comparison of different mishits.

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I have a hard time buying the full MB set will play marginally less forging than my full CB’s. Just one mans opinion. I’ve played many many sets of both. Granted my cap is no longer 1.5 it’s more like 5!!

Irons: 19' Cobra CB's
Drivers: Titleist TS3 & Cobra F9
Fairway: Titleist 917F2
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> @"Big Ben" said:

> I have a hard time buying the full MB set will play marginally less forging than my full CB’s. Just one mans opinion. I’ve played many many sets of both....

 

Agreed. I feel like the 8-PW there will be literally no difference though.

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> @balls_deep said:

> > @gbartwrx said:

> > i had 4-GW in the blades and they were super small but really not all that demanding to play. felt great and looked even better with the paintfill removed. stupidly i traded them for some mizuno jpx ez forged that i really liked the shape and feel of but could not use the XP95 shaft. wish i got a mulligan on that one. hopefully these blueprints will make me forget all about those cobra mbs.

> Good news is the MBs can be had for pretty cheap. Many buy them and then realize they can't hit them haha. There's a set near me for sale right now, I believe the tag line is "shamefully going back to my AP2 with tail between my legs"

 

Haha that was basically my experience with a Cobra combo set I used for a few weeks. They are noticably smaller and I am back to AP2's. :)

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The tungsten weight in the toe and the heal of these irons makes them pretty forgiving for a traditional looking blade and Cavity. Moving all that weight out to the toe adds so much forgiveness for off center hits towards the toe that you may only see a 5 yard difference.. Say, compared to a MP18 or an MP4 blade with no tungsten the sweet spot will be center and in towards the heel.. Toe it and you are dead by 15 yards. No add the CB effect and you probably minimize your misses even more... I went from 718MB last season to MP18s for a short stint to 919 Tours.. The tours although having no tungsten in the toe has all its weight in the toe mimicking the torsional effect of having tungsten in the toe.. That being said my 919 Tours are light years more forgiving than my passed muscle backs.. I love blades, always will and will always have a set in the backup back... But I realize if i wanna shoot in the high 70 low 80 consistently I need a little bit of forgiveness where i can get it without compromising what I like to look down at address.. Lastly, I am always keeping an eye out for Cobra MB/CBs and will jump at a set if they price is right.. I am really coming around to Cobra as i understand the tech that goes into them.. Currently gamming F8+ Driver, and 3/5 wood and cant believe I didn't try them in the past. Rant over LOL

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> @giogolf said:

> Oh, one more thing to add.. Titleist 716/18 CBs have tungsten in the tow and heel down to the 7 iron and are super forgiving.. Srixon 745 and 765 same thing.. All of these forged cavities are super forgiving and 745/65 Blades have the tungsten as well..

 

The CBs are pretty much as forgiving as the AP2 IMO - I played both for quite a few rounds last year. That said, the Srixons were MUCH more accurate for me but the spin was too low. My current set is worlds better accuracy wise than the Titleists and I'm still getting the spin I need. Testing is key to whatever you buy.

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> @balls_deep said:

> > @"DFS PFD" said:

> > The MB v CB forgiveness is negligible, I'd go with a full set of whichever looks best to you. Can't go wrong with either of the Cobra's.

>

> Many threads are turning into this argument. As above they feel and look nearly identical. The CB _will_ give help on miss hits. The 18th hole at a course near my cottage is a tricky little par 3. Perfect 6 or 7 iron distance depending on where the blocks are set up that day. Pond on the left and bunker on the right both guarding the green. You're going into that last hole trying to beat whoever you're playing or card a solid score, you bet your a** that "negligible" amount of help is important for most golfers. Just one guy's opinion.

 

 

The difference in MOI between the CB and MB is really not much at all, only 100-110 gm-cm2. If we did a double blind test between iron sets with similar MOI gaps, I'd be surprised if anyone could consistently pick the set with the higher MOI.

 

The biggest difference between the two is the CG, the blade' s CG is considerably higher; .883 vs .802. Pretty healthy gap IMHO. For some, that higher CG in the blade clubhead could be a problem once one gets to the longer clubs.

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> @NRJyzr said:

> > @balls_deep said:

> > > @"DFS PFD" said:

> > > The MB v CB forgiveness is negligible, I'd go with a full set of whichever looks best to you. Can't go wrong with either of the Cobra's.

> >

> > Many threads are turning into this argument. As above they feel and look nearly identical. The CB _will_ give help on miss hits. The 18th hole at a course near my cottage is a tricky little par 3. Perfect 6 or 7 iron distance depending on where the blocks are set up that day. Pond on the left and bunker on the right both guarding the green. You're going into that last hole trying to beat whoever you're playing or card a solid score, you bet your a** that "negligible" amount of help is important for most golfers. Just one guy's opinion.

>

>

> The difference in MOI between the CB and MB is really not much at all, only 100-110 gm-cm2. If we did a double blind test between iron sets with similar MOI gaps, I'd be surprised if anyone could consistently pick the set with the higher MOI.

>

> The biggest difference between the two is the CG, the blade' s CG is considerably higher; .883 vs .802. Pretty healthy gap IMHO. For some, that higher CG in the blade clubhead could be a problem once one gets to the longer clubs.

 

That is some good info. Thank you.

Driver: Paradym 3D Ventus black TR 6x

3 wood: Paradym 3d Ventus black TR 7x

19 degree UW: Ventus black TR 8x

Mizuno Pro Fli Hi 4 utility Hazrdus black 90 6.5 X

5 -PW: Callaway Apex MB, KBS $ taper 130X

Wedges - Jaws raw 50, 54, 59 KBS $ taper 130x

Putter- Mutant Wilson Staff 8802 with stroke lab shaft
BALL; Chrome Soft X

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I agree on the KBS $ Taper being a super shaft. I have not heard of bending tips with that shaft and have had no issues. I like it more than the C Taper, which is the only KBS shaft I’ve heard of having tips bend and that was some years ago, perhaps just a certain batch.

I find the $Taper works well for me with blades. It is really my favorite shaft with blades. More of a mid-launch shaft.

I also think higher COG on the 8-P can be an advantage. It’s better for me on the 9 and P for sure. I lose distance on those irons if they launch too high. Really do not need launch help on those lofts. I only care about a lower COG on longer irons.

For me I would probably play the CB set and maybe swap out the 9 and P, depending on how the CB’s play. I usually end up blending a set because it works better for my game. I love blades, but when I compare how my JPX919 Forged 4 iron plays versus an MP18, for example, there is no doubt the 919F is far easier to play for me.

Cobra is intriguing. I am playing the F9 3 wood and it really is the best FW wood I have played. Super playable, sounds and feels fantastic.

 

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I went 5-pw in CB with $-taper. Tested both for quite awhile and chose the cb because the sole provided me better turf action. Absolutely love ‘um !

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