Soft, straight ball for high SS??

Hammer22 · June 10, 2019

> @lcdzombie said:

> SS ~ 110. I switched to Project A last year and love it

Same here. Love this ball, especially for what I've been getting them for versus all the other "premium" balls that are stupidly overpriced. Still can crank it off the tee over 290, so I don't feel like it's amounted to anything negative. Great distance on irons, love the feel off the putter, and the spin is phenomenal. Have compared it to many other balls on a launch monitor and it still performs.

Z1ggy16 · June 10, 2019

> @nsxguy said:

> > @Z1ggy16 said:

> > > @nsxguy said:

> > > > @Z1ggy16 said:

> > > > > @Tblythe said:

> > > > > My SS is in the 110-115 range but I love the feeling of a really soft golf ball. I’m always afraid I’m giving up some distance with a ball with compression under 75. I can get a little loose at times too so I don’t need anything that spins too much and will magnify my flaws. Thoughts?

> > > >

> > > > If you play a soft ball at 115mph, you're going to lose distance, simple as that.

> > > >

> > > > Do you want to have a "soft feel" or play your best golf? I'm sure balls like AVX provide a middle ground but why give up yards over something like softness. I'm sure pro's love a squishy soft pillow feel too but do you see much (if any?) guys playing in the big leagues with soft compression balls?

> > > >

> > > > Just play TP5/ProV etc and forget the rest.

> > >

> > > Much about playing one's best golf is about "feel".

> > >

> > > Not surprisingly, the ball test on that other site brought forth a lot of controversy, especially about "soft" balls being "slow".

> > >

> > > Mickelson is all about distance and he plays the Chrome Soft - OK, OK, I know. He's a Cally guy so what is he going to say ? It's short ? LOL

> > >

> > > Nevertheless, and I admit I have a very average swing speed, I don't think anybody is "giving up distance" with the AVX. I hit it further than both the V1, the V1x, & the Chrome Soft - but maybe that's just me.

> > >

> > > And not that I think anybody should notice but I'm obviously a big supporter of the AVX. I moved to it about 10 months or so ago from the Chrome Soft because of the extra 1/2 club off the irons with more or less the same short game control, and the more penetrating flight and lower spin off the driver. And if I want it to fly high off the driver,,,,,,,, I just tee it higher and there it goes. Also, in my experience, is almost impossible to "balloon" into the wind.

> > >

> > > So I would just say "Test 'em all",,,,,,,,,,,,,

> > >

> >

> > Phil never played the CS ball that was sold at retail. Maybe the one he plays now is the same but up until this year, I'm pretty sure it wasn't.

> >

> > But anyway... I don't get why having a "nicer feeling" ball would make me play better. How does ball softness get my face square at impact? And... going even further, why would softness or lack thereof even affect confidence levels? It's just a nice, squishy soft feeling that makes you giddy. Sure, it's fun... but wouldn't you have more fun shooting a few strokes less on average?? Idk maybe that's just me. If AVX works for somebody and they play well, then hey whatever, you play what fits your game and what you like.

>

> Zigster, most sports require not only "smarts" but very quick reflex/reaction times. Golf is different. It is played, some would say, mostly in that space between your ears.

>

> Ball "feels" too hard ? Shaft feels too soft ? Alignment aid on the top of a club looks ridiculous ? Ever try to play with your buddy's clubs ?

>

> And everything comes into play in those 6 inches. LOL

I agree, golf is very mental. But your shaft analogy is a dynamic thing... you _feel_ the shaft or club head during your swing, which affects how you deliver the club. Once I hit the ball, it's too late to do or change anything that's happening. My brain probably can't even register "oh that feels soft!" until the ball is already well off the club face.

For ME personally, the feel of a ball won't effect how I deliver my club. It may for some. Knowing how the ball will fly can certainly impact my swing but that isn't necessarily what's being discussed.

nsxguy · June 10, 2019

> @Z1ggy16 said:

> > @nsxguy said:

> > > @Z1ggy16 said:

> > > > @nsxguy said:

> > > > > @Z1ggy16 said:

> > > > > > @Tblythe said:

> > > > > > My SS is in the 110-115 range but I love the feeling of a really soft golf ball. I’m always afraid I’m giving up some distance with a ball with compression under 75. I can get a little loose at times too so I don’t need anything that spins too much and will magnify my flaws. Thoughts?

> > > > >

> > > > > If you play a soft ball at 115mph, you're going to lose distance, simple as that.

> > > > >

> > > > > Do you want to have a "soft feel" or play your best golf? I'm sure balls like AVX provide a middle ground but why give up yards over something like softness. I'm sure pro's love a squishy soft pillow feel too but do you see much (if any?) guys playing in the big leagues with soft compression balls?

> > > > >

> > > > > Just play TP5/ProV etc and forget the rest.

> > > >

> > > > Much about playing one's best golf is about "feel".

> > > >

> > > > Not surprisingly, the ball test on that other site brought forth a lot of controversy, especially about "soft" balls being "slow".

> > > >

> > > > Mickelson is all about distance and he plays the Chrome Soft - OK, OK, I know. He's a Cally guy so what is he going to say ? It's short ? LOL

> > > >

> > > > Nevertheless, and I admit I have a very average swing speed, I don't think anybody is "giving up distance" with the AVX. I hit it further than both the V1, the V1x, & the Chrome Soft - but maybe that's just me.

> > > >

> > > > And not that I think anybody should notice but I'm obviously a big supporter of the AVX. I moved to it about 10 months or so ago from the Chrome Soft because of the extra 1/2 club off the irons with more or less the same short game control, and the more penetrating flight and lower spin off the driver. And if I want it to fly high off the driver,,,,,,,, I just tee it higher and there it goes. Also, in my experience, is almost impossible to "balloon" into the wind.

> > > >

> > > > So I would just say "Test 'em all",,,,,,,,,,,,,

> > > >

> > >

> > > Phil never played the CS ball that was sold at retail. Maybe the one he plays now is the same but up until this year, I'm pretty sure it wasn't.

> > >

> > > But anyway... I don't get why having a "nicer feeling" ball would make me play better. How does ball softness get my face square at impact? And... going even further, why would softness or lack thereof even affect confidence levels? It's just a nice, squishy soft feeling that makes you giddy. Sure, it's fun... but wouldn't you have more fun shooting a few strokes less on average?? Idk maybe that's just me. If AVX works for somebody and they play well, then hey whatever, you play what fits your game and what you like.

> >

> > Zigster, most sports require not only "smarts" but very quick reflex/reaction times. Golf is different. It is played, some would say, mostly in that space between your ears.

> >

> > Ball "feels" too hard ? Shaft feels too soft ? Alignment aid on the top of a club looks ridiculous ? Ever try to play with your buddy's clubs ?

> >

> > And everything comes into play in those 6 inches. LOL

>

> I agree, golf is very mental. But your shaft analogy is a dynamic thing... you _feel_ the shaft or club head during your swing, which affects how you deliver the club. **Once I hit the ball, it's too late to do or change anything that's happening. My brain probably can't even register "oh that feels soft!" until the ball is already well off the club face**.

>

> For ME personally, the feel of a ball won't effect how I deliver my club. It may for some. Knowing how the ball will fly can certainly impact my swing but that isn't necessarily what's being discussed.

>

I agree the ball will be already gone but do you want to hit it again ? LOL

And if/when you do, the next time you're about to hit it aren't you going to think about how it (shaft/ball/looks/whatever) felt the last time ?

North Butte · June 10, 2019

> @nsxguy said:

> > @Z1ggy16 said:

> > For ME personally, the feel of a ball won't effect how I deliver my club. It may for some. Knowing how the ball will fly can certainly impact my swing but that isn't necessarily what's being discussed.

>

> I agree the ball will be already gone but do you want to hit it again ? LOL

>

> And if/when you do, the next time you're about to hit it aren't you going to think about how it (shaft/ball/looks/whatever) felt the last time ?

It's the idea as turf interaction needing to be right with the sole design of irons. People will say on a properly hit shot, the ball is already gone by the time the club interacts with the turf. Which is true. But you certain experience impact as a single event, your body can't separate out that millisecond between "ball is gone" and "sole digs into the turf". It's all one moment.

Which most certainly affects how you swing on the next shot and the one after that and the one after that. It's why practicing for hours on driving-range mats you'll get very different results when you go actually play golf on turf. Your hands and brain and body have adjusted that that mat effect at impact.

nsxguy · June 10, 2019

> @"North Butte" said:

> > @nsxguy said:

> > > @Z1ggy16 said:

> > > For ME personally, the feel of a ball won't effect how I deliver my club. It may for some. Knowing how the ball will fly can certainly impact my swing but that isn't necessarily what's being discussed.

> >

> > I agree the ball will be already gone but do you want to hit it again ? LOL

> >

> > And if/when you do, the next time you're about to hit it aren't you going to think about how it (shaft/ball/looks/whatever) felt the last time ?

>

> It's the idea as turf interaction needing to be right with the sole design of irons. People will say on a properly hit shot, the ball is already gone by the time the club interacts with the turf. Which is true. But you certain experience impact as a single event, your body can't separate out that millisecond between "ball is gone" and "sole digs into the turf". It's all one moment.

>

> Which most certainly affects how you swing on the next shot and the one after that and the one after that. It's why practicing for hours on driving-range mats you'll get very different results when you go actually play golf on turf. Your hands and brain and body have adjusted that that mat effect at impact.

As always the thread has morphed a bit.

The OP prefers a softer feeling ball which the AVX actually is. I get it. I've played the mid-90's Tour Edition (very hard) and the Chrome Soft. Haven't played anything softer than that. My favorite ball was the TM LDP Tour Red. IIRC that ball was somewhere in the middle.

I guess my only point was that everything is connected to everything. If you're not comfortable with your equipment, and the ball IS the single most used equipment, you're probably not going to play your best.

The mind is a terrible thing,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, LOL

North Butte · June 10, 2019

These threads just make me thankful that I'm some combination of half-deaf and hands of stone. Can't feel 1/10 of the differences in golf balls or even clubs that some people are burdened with. For instance I will never have to buy a "German Stainless Steel" putter for umpteen hundreds of dollars because to me the "plain old steel" ones and the "bronze" ones and all the others feel exactly the same.

Now the thread is well and truly "morphed"!

Z1ggy16 · June 10, 2019

> @"North Butte" said:

> These threads just make me thankful that I'm some combination of half-deaf and hands of stone. Can't feel 1/10 of the differences in golf balls or even clubs that some people are burdened with. For instance I will never have to buy a "German Stainless Steel" putter for umpteen hundreds of dollars because to me the "plain old steel" ones and the "bronze" ones and all the others feel exactly the same.

>

> Now the thread is well and truly "morphed"!

It can be good and bad. I can 100% tell between something like Srixon XV and a Supersoft. Some shafts I can feel major differences in, others I can't.

The whole GSS is just a trademark name, I believe the metallurgy is the same as regular ol SS (although not sure which type, 304/314/316 etc).

Anywayyyy, OP should try AVX and then also try ProV1x and TP5X. Compare results, compare feels... play the one he likes most, for whichever reasons he deems valid for his game.