Tiger Woods - WITB 2019 US Open

[Golfrnut]

> @QuigleyDU said:

> Looking back at when these irons first came into his bag. there were no mill marks then either.

>

> I

 

It's the same old folks in here trying to stir the pot over some pics...in the sun no less

 

No milling marks?

 

https://pga-tour-res.cloudinary.com/image/upload/c_fill,f_auto,g_center,h_478,q_auto,w_850/v1/pgatour/editorial/2019/02/13/TigerBag2-847-Tursky.jpg

https://dfdghbz6643ia.cloudfront.net/2019/01/Tiger-Woods-WITB-2019-2.jpg

 

I didn't imbed the images on purpose.....

 

 

 

[JJK947]

> @Valtiel said:

> > @Golfrnut said:

> > > @Valtiel said:

> > > > @Golfrnut said:

> > > > > @Valtiel said:

> > > > > > @cardoustie said:

> > > > > > My goodness another pro with the weights not in the fade setting !

> > > > > > I still see a 2i in my mind's eye when I look at TW's bag. Amazed he doesn't have a hybrid worked into the mix yet

> > > > >

> > > > > Its interesting....he was really striping that UDI last year and it seemed like a sure thing in his bag. Then it went away and came back in the form of the GAPR for the open, which he rarely hit, then back to the UDI with a revolving door of shaft changes until it left the bag completely. He seemed to really have a problem with a two way miss before it left the bag, either tugging it hard left or wiping it to the right. I think **** will freeze over if Tiger puts a hybrid in the bag though, hah!

> > > >

> > > > Keep waiting to see the 2 iron too. He's always given the reasoning that when there is high rough that he usually chosses the fairway wood over the iron. With his schedule being so limited and the tournaments he's been playing favoring the knarley stuff, maybe we are seeing the last of it. Or...maybe it will show back up when it gets back into playoff time in the late summer/fall and the conditions are a little condusive for it.

> > > >

> > > > I find it hard to think he would get any grief over it, but he seemed pretty fond of that UDI, I wonder if he ever gets any pressure to keep the newer models in the bag and just isn't as much of a fan.

> > >

> > > What i'm curious about was all the shaft switching. He had been playing the Project X PXi in his 2-iron even during the Nike period and it made the switch over to the UDI. It was the only reason I even looked at the shaft as a driving iron option and it turned out to be perfect. Then all of the sudden hes got 1-off Tensei hybrid Oranges and Whites and then back to steel but Dynamic Gold instead and then I saw something about a standard Project X Rifle? Seemed like he was really trying to find something and I wonder what made him ever go away from what was working in the first place. Maybe it was True Temper discontinuing the PXi? We'll never know I guess, but its stuff like that that I find interesting.

> >

> > He's always been a fan of wanting to hit the ball high when he feels like he needs to, so perhaps he's lost that ability to reliably do it for whatever reason...hense the searching. Maybe that's another reason we haven't seen it in the bag this year?

>

> Yeah that makes sense, I know hes talked about that in clinics re: attacking par 5s so it could just easily be a concerted effort to keep that attack option in the bag. One thing that has definitely changed in conjunction with the 2-iron leaving the bag is dialing back with the driver too. He was hitting 180mph ball speeds last year and he is down in the high 160's to low 170's now, so the 5w probably makes more sense from a distance standpoint now too.

 

Just watched the replay of his final round at the Players last year. He was 180+ with the driver and 174 a couple times with 3 wood. Seems like he has dialed back quite a bit with the long clubs.

[QuigleyDU]

> @Golfrnut said:

> > @QuigleyDU said:

> > Looking back at when these irons first came into his bag. there were no mill marks then either.

> >

> > I

>

> It's the same old folks in here trying to stir the pot over some pics...in the sun no less

>

> No milling marks?

>

> https://pga-tour-res.cloudinary.com/image/upload/c_fill,f_auto,g_center,h_478,q_auto,w_850/v1/pgatour/editorial/2019/02/13/TigerBag2-847-Tursky.jpg

> https://dfdghbz6643ia.cloudfront.net/2019/01/Tiger-Woods-WITB-2019-2.jpg

>

> I didn't imbed the images on purpose.....

>

>

>

 

Oh, I stand corrected. I was not trying to stir anything up. I looked back at some older pictures and didn't see them. Thank you for the correction.

[bladehunter]

> @Golfrnut said:

> > @QuigleyDU said:

> > Looking back at when these irons first came into his bag. there were no mill marks then either.

> >

> > I

>

> It's the same old folks in here trying to stir the pot over some pics...in the sun no less

>

> No milling marks?

>

> https://pga-tour-res.cloudinary.com/image/upload/c_fill,f_auto,g_center,h_478,q_auto,w_850/v1/pgatour/editorial/2019/02/13/TigerBag2-847-Tursky.jpg

> https://dfdghbz6643ia.cloudfront.net/2019/01/Tiger-Woods-WITB-2019-2.jpg

>

> I didn't imbed the images on purpose.....

>

>

>

 

Neither of which look the same as the retail set of irons. A stock retail pic for comparison.

 

http://images.app.goo.gl/PUN2dC2ckQHm62Uy8

[Golfrnut]

> @QuigleyDU said:

> > @Golfrnut said:

> > > @QuigleyDU said:

> > > Looking back at when these irons first came into his bag. there were no mill marks then either.

> > >

> > > I

> >

> > It's the same old folks in here trying to stir the pot over some pics...in the sun no less

> >

> > No milling marks?

> >

> > https://pga-tour-res.cloudinary.com/image/upload/c_fill,f_auto,g_center,h_478,q_auto,w_850/v1/pgatour/editorial/2019/02/13/TigerBag2-847-Tursky.jpg

> > https://dfdghbz6643ia.cloudfront.net/2019/01/Tiger-Woods-WITB-2019-2.jpg

> >

> > I didn't imbed the images on purpose.....

> >

> >

> >

>

> Oh, I stand corrected. I was not trying to stir anything up. I looked back at some older pictures and didn't see them. Thank you for the correction.

 

It wasn't directed at you ;)

[Golfrnut]

> @JJK947 said:

> > @Valtiel said:

> > > @Golfrnut said:

> > > > @Valtiel said:

> > > > > @Golfrnut said:

> > > > > > @Valtiel said:

> > > > > > > @cardoustie said:

> > > > > > > My goodness another pro with the weights not in the fade setting !

> > > > > > > I still see a 2i in my mind's eye when I look at TW's bag. Amazed he doesn't have a hybrid worked into the mix yet

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Its interesting....he was really striping that UDI last year and it seemed like a sure thing in his bag. Then it went away and came back in the form of the GAPR for the open, which he rarely hit, then back to the UDI with a revolving door of shaft changes until it left the bag completely. He seemed to really have a problem with a two way miss before it left the bag, either tugging it hard left or wiping it to the right. I think **** will freeze over if Tiger puts a hybrid in the bag though, hah!

> > > > >

> > > > > Keep waiting to see the 2 iron too. He's always given the reasoning that when there is high rough that he usually chosses the fairway wood over the iron. With his schedule being so limited and the tournaments he's been playing favoring the knarley stuff, maybe we are seeing the last of it. Or...maybe it will show back up when it gets back into playoff time in the late summer/fall and the conditions are a little condusive for it.

> > > > >

> > > > > I find it hard to think he would get any grief over it, but he seemed pretty fond of that UDI, I wonder if he ever gets any pressure to keep the newer models in the bag and just isn't as much of a fan.

> > > >

> > > > What i'm curious about was all the shaft switching. He had been playing the Project X PXi in his 2-iron even during the Nike period and it made the switch over to the UDI. It was the only reason I even looked at the shaft as a driving iron option and it turned out to be perfect. Then all of the sudden hes got 1-off Tensei hybrid Oranges and Whites and then back to steel but Dynamic Gold instead and then I saw something about a standard Project X Rifle? Seemed like he was really trying to find something and I wonder what made him ever go away from what was working in the first place. Maybe it was True Temper discontinuing the PXi? We'll never know I guess, but its stuff like that that I find interesting.

> > >

> > > He's always been a fan of wanting to hit the ball high when he feels like he needs to, so perhaps he's lost that ability to reliably do it for whatever reason...hense the searching. Maybe that's another reason we haven't seen it in the bag this year?

> >

> > Yeah that makes sense, I know hes talked about that in clinics re: attacking par 5s so it could just easily be a concerted effort to keep that attack option in the bag. One thing that has definitely changed in conjunction with the 2-iron leaving the bag is dialing back with the driver too. He was hitting 180mph ball speeds last year and he is down in the high 160's to low 170's now, so the 5w probably makes more sense from a distance standpoint now too.

>

> Just watched the replay of his final round at the Players last year. He was 180+ with the driver and 174 a couple times with 3 wood. Seems like he has dialed back quite a bit with the long clubs.

 

I think a good bit of that happened before the end of the year last year. Don't know how much is swing speed related and how much is the other changes he made searching more more spin/control. It just doens't seem like he's adopted the new ways of not spinning the ball off the long clubs and trying to keep it straight, he still likes to move it around. Problem is, his wants don't seem to match the technology that is currently the new "norm" of today.

[born4golf77]

> @TROPICALWIFI said:

> > @brooky333 said:

> > I wonder if he will send that Scotty back to the shop for a clean up!

> > that thing has seen some action

> > brooky333

>

> No chance. Doing that would make it lighter, which is why you will never see Tiger or Spieth do a putter "restoration".

 

Tiger had his putter restored once for sure not a major rehaul but cleaned up with no re-milling. Maybe 2x. Said he won't do it again tho. Also I think it's been reshafted a few times as well.

[QuigleyDU]

> @Golfrnut said:

> > @JJK947 said:

> > > @Valtiel said:

> > > > @Golfrnut said:

> > > > > @Valtiel said:

> > > > > > @Golfrnut said:

> > > > > > > @Valtiel said:

> > > > > > > > @cardoustie said:

> > > > > > > > My goodness another pro with the weights not in the fade setting !

> > > > > > > > I still see a 2i in my mind's eye when I look at TW's bag. Amazed he doesn't have a hybrid worked into the mix yet

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Its interesting....he was really striping that UDI last year and it seemed like a sure thing in his bag. Then it went away and came back in the form of the GAPR for the open, which he rarely hit, then back to the UDI with a revolving door of shaft changes until it left the bag completely. He seemed to really have a problem with a two way miss before it left the bag, either tugging it hard left or wiping it to the right. I think **** will freeze over if Tiger puts a hybrid in the bag though, hah!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Keep waiting to see the 2 iron too. He's always given the reasoning that when there is high rough that he usually chosses the fairway wood over the iron. With his schedule being so limited and the tournaments he's been playing favoring the knarley stuff, maybe we are seeing the last of it. Or...maybe it will show back up when it gets back into playoff time in the late summer/fall and the conditions are a little condusive for it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I find it hard to think he would get any grief over it, but he seemed pretty fond of that UDI, I wonder if he ever gets any pressure to keep the newer models in the bag and just isn't as much of a fan.

> > > > >

> > > > > What i'm curious about was all the shaft switching. He had been playing the Project X PXi in his 2-iron even during the Nike period and it made the switch over to the UDI. It was the only reason I even looked at the shaft as a driving iron option and it turned out to be perfect. Then all of the sudden hes got 1-off Tensei hybrid Oranges and Whites and then back to steel but Dynamic Gold instead and then I saw something about a standard Project X Rifle? Seemed like he was really trying to find something and I wonder what made him ever go away from what was working in the first place. Maybe it was True Temper discontinuing the PXi? We'll never know I guess, but its stuff like that that I find interesting.

> > > >

> > > > He's always been a fan of wanting to hit the ball high when he feels like he needs to, so perhaps he's lost that ability to reliably do it for whatever reason...hense the searching. Maybe that's another reason we haven't seen it in the bag this year?

> > >

> > > Yeah that makes sense, I know hes talked about that in clinics re: attacking par 5s so it could just easily be a concerted effort to keep that attack option in the bag. One thing that has definitely changed in conjunction with the 2-iron leaving the bag is dialing back with the driver too. He was hitting 180mph ball speeds last year and he is down in the high 160's to low 170's now, so the 5w probably makes more sense from a distance standpoint now too.

> >

> > Just watched the replay of his final round at the Players last year. He was 180+ with the driver and 174 a couple times with 3 wood. Seems like he has dialed back quite a bit with the long clubs.

>

> I think a good bit of that happened before the end of the year last year. Don't know how much is swing speed related and how much is the other changes he made searching more more spin/control. It just doens't seem like he's adopted the new ways of not spinning the ball off the long clubs and trying to keep it straight, he still likes to move it around. Problem is, his wants don't seem to match the technology that is currently the new "norm" of today.

 

I don't know if he is much "slower" in terms of swing speed, but his efficiency in terms of ball speed is much lower. With is driver he is in the low 170s tops now. That could be intentional as he want a ball that stays in play. Or maybe he just cannot generate the power any more. I dunno the reason, but whatever it is he is much shorter off the tee. The rest seems to be about the same.

[dasams]

No gap wedge? I wonder what the full swing gap is between his pitching wedge and sand wedge.

[newportbeach]

Love his putter. It is so clean at address. And one of the biggest money making putters in history. If putters could talk B)

[preshotroutine]

Why are there no milling on the face of the putter like stock select putters have?

[SBH9458]

Very. Very. Cool.

[jonn443]

> @newportbeach said:

> Love his putter. It is so clean at address. And one of the biggest money making putters in history. If putters could talk B)

 

THE biggest money making putter...Uncontested.

[Valtiel]

> @dasams said:

> No gap wedge? I wonder what the full swing gap is between his pitching wedge and sand wedge.

 

His pitching wedge is 49* and he has never played a gap wedge. He has said he feels more comfortable feeling out the shots in the gap, whether that is nuking a sand wedge or taking something off the PW.

[Valtiel]

> @preshotroutine said:

> Why are there no milling on the face of the putter like stock select putters have?

 

Because its not a stock select putter?

[rukahs]

> @preshotroutine said:

> Why are there no milling on the face of the putter like stock select putters have?

 

More importantly why have you got a Leopard photoshopped over Tiger's face?

[BearQ]

 

 

 

 

 

[rukahs]

:lol:

[bladehunter]

> @BearQ said:

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With the “ skills” this man has I’m sure he does fine with the ladies.

[mmack067]

> @QuigleyDU said:

> > @Golfrnut said:

> > > @JJK947 said:

> > > > @Valtiel said:

> > > > > @Golfrnut said:

> > > > > > @Valtiel said:

> > > > > > > @Golfrnut said:

> > > > > > > > @Valtiel said:

> > > > > > > > > @cardoustie said:

> > > > > > > > > My goodness another pro with the weights not in the fade setting !

> > > > > > > > > I still see a 2i in my mind's eye when I look at TW's bag. Amazed he doesn't have a hybrid worked into the mix yet

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Its interesting....he was really striping that UDI last year and it seemed like a sure thing in his bag. Then it went away and came back in the form of the GAPR for the open, which he rarely hit, then back to the UDI with a revolving door of shaft changes until it left the bag completely. He seemed to really have a problem with a two way miss before it left the bag, either tugging it hard left or wiping it to the right. I think **** will freeze over if Tiger puts a hybrid in the bag though, hah!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Keep waiting to see the 2 iron too. He's always given the reasoning that when there is high rough that he usually chosses the fairway wood over the iron. With his schedule being so limited and the tournaments he's been playing favoring the knarley stuff, maybe we are seeing the last of it. Or...maybe it will show back up when it gets back into playoff time in the late summer/fall and the conditions are a little condusive for it.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I find it hard to think he would get any grief over it, but he seemed pretty fond of that UDI, I wonder if he ever gets any pressure to keep the newer models in the bag and just isn't as much of a fan.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What i'm curious about was all the shaft switching. He had been playing the Project X PXi in his 2-iron even during the Nike period and it made the switch over to the UDI. It was the only reason I even looked at the shaft as a driving iron option and it turned out to be perfect. Then all of the sudden hes got 1-off Tensei hybrid Oranges and Whites and then back to steel but Dynamic Gold instead and then I saw something about a standard Project X Rifle? Seemed like he was really trying to find something and I wonder what made him ever go away from what was working in the first place. Maybe it was True Temper discontinuing the PXi? We'll never know I guess, but its stuff like that that I find interesting.

> > > > >

> > > > > He's always been a fan of wanting to hit the ball high when he feels like he needs to, so perhaps he's lost that ability to reliably do it for whatever reason...hense the searching. Maybe that's another reason we haven't seen it in the bag this year?

> > > >

> > > > Yeah that makes sense, I know hes talked about that in clinics re: attacking par 5s so it could just easily be a concerted effort to keep that attack option in the bag. One thing that has definitely changed in conjunction with the 2-iron leaving the bag is dialing back with the driver too. He was hitting 180mph ball speeds last year and he is down in the high 160's to low 170's now, so the 5w probably makes more sense from a distance standpoint now too.

> > >

> > > Just watched the replay of his final round at the Players last year. He was 180+ with the driver and 174 a couple times with 3 wood. Seems like he has dialed back quite a bit with the long clubs.

> >

> > I think a good bit of that happened before the end of the year last year. Don't know how much is swing speed related and how much is the other changes he made searching more more spin/control. It just doens't seem like he's adopted the new ways of not spinning the ball off the long clubs and trying to keep it straight, he still likes to move it around. Problem is, his wants don't seem to match the technology that is currently the new "norm" of today.

>

> I don't know if he is much "slower" in terms of swing speed, but his efficiency in terms of ball speed is much lower. With is driver he is in the low 170s tops now. That could be intentional as he want a ball that stays in play. Or maybe he just cannot generate the power any more. I dunno the reason, but whatever it is he is much shorter off the tee. The rest seems to be about the same.

 

The ball speeds reported on TV were especially bad when he came back last year and earlier this year. There were a bunch that didn't make sense at all so I wouldn't assume he's lost 10+mph of ball speed. That's just not going to happen.

[QuigleyDU]

> @mmack067 said:

> > @QuigleyDU said:

> > > @Golfrnut said:

> > > > @JJK947 said:

> > > > > @Valtiel said:

> > > > > > @Golfrnut said:

> > > > > > > @Valtiel said:

> > > > > > > > @Golfrnut said:

> > > > > > > > > @Valtiel said:

> > > > > > > > > > @cardoustie said:

> > > > > > > > > > My goodness another pro with the weights not in the fade setting !

> > > > > > > > > > I still see a 2i in my mind's eye when I look at TW's bag. Amazed he doesn't have a hybrid worked into the mix yet

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Its interesting....he was really striping that UDI last year and it seemed like a sure thing in his bag. Then it went away and came back in the form of the GAPR for the open, which he rarely hit, then back to the UDI with a revolving door of shaft changes until it left the bag completely. He seemed to really have a problem with a two way miss before it left the bag, either tugging it hard left or wiping it to the right. I think **** will freeze over if Tiger puts a hybrid in the bag though, hah!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Keep waiting to see the 2 iron too. He's always given the reasoning that when there is high rough that he usually chosses the fairway wood over the iron. With his schedule being so limited and the tournaments he's been playing favoring the knarley stuff, maybe we are seeing the last of it. Or...maybe it will show back up when it gets back into playoff time in the late summer/fall and the conditions are a little condusive for it.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I find it hard to think he would get any grief over it, but he seemed pretty fond of that UDI, I wonder if he ever gets any pressure to keep the newer models in the bag and just isn't as much of a fan.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What i'm curious about was all the shaft switching. He had been playing the Project X PXi in his 2-iron even during the Nike period and it made the switch over to the UDI. It was the only reason I even looked at the shaft as a driving iron option and it turned out to be perfect. Then all of the sudden hes got 1-off Tensei hybrid Oranges and Whites and then back to steel but Dynamic Gold instead and then I saw something about a standard Project X Rifle? Seemed like he was really trying to find something and I wonder what made him ever go away from what was working in the first place. Maybe it was True Temper discontinuing the PXi? We'll never know I guess, but its stuff like that that I find interesting.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > He's always been a fan of wanting to hit the ball high when he feels like he needs to, so perhaps he's lost that ability to reliably do it for whatever reason...hense the searching. Maybe that's another reason we haven't seen it in the bag this year?

> > > > >

> > > > > Yeah that makes sense, I know hes talked about that in clinics re: attacking par 5s so it could just easily be a concerted effort to keep that attack option in the bag. One thing that has definitely changed in conjunction with the 2-iron leaving the bag is dialing back with the driver too. He was hitting 180mph ball speeds last year and he is down in the high 160's to low 170's now, so the 5w probably makes more sense from a distance standpoint now too.

> > > >

> > > > Just watched the replay of his final round at the Players last year. He was 180+ with the driver and 174 a couple times with 3 wood. Seems like he has dialed back quite a bit with the long clubs.

> > >

> > > I think a good bit of that happened before the end of the year last year. Don't know how much is swing speed related and how much is the other changes he made searching more more spin/control. It just doens't seem like he's adopted the new ways of not spinning the ball off the long clubs and trying to keep it straight, he still likes to move it around. Problem is, his wants don't seem to match the technology that is currently the new "norm" of today.

> >

> > I don't know if he is much "slower" in terms of swing speed, but his efficiency in terms of ball speed is much lower. With is driver he is in the low 170s tops now. That could be intentional as he want a ball that stays in play. Or maybe he just cannot generate the power any more. I dunno the reason, but whatever it is he is much shorter off the tee. The rest seems to be about the same.

>

> The ball speeds reported on TV were especially bad when he came back last year and earlier this year. There were a bunch that didn't make sense at all so I wouldn't assume he's lost 10+mph of ball speed. That's just not going to happen.

 

You could be right, but with a fused back I would say it couldn't. Plus equipment changes. You never now.

[Kylekoz17]

> @mmack067 said:

> > @QuigleyDU said:

> > > @Golfrnut said:

> > > > @JJK947 said:

> > > > > @Valtiel said:

> > > > > > @Golfrnut said:

> > > > > > > @Valtiel said:

> > > > > > > > @Golfrnut said:

> > > > > > > > > @Valtiel said:

> > > > > > > > > > @cardoustie said:

> > > > > > > > > > My goodness another pro with the weights not in the fade setting !

> > > > > > > > > > I still see a 2i in my mind's eye when I look at TW's bag. Amazed he doesn't have a hybrid worked into the mix yet

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Its interesting....he was really striping that UDI last year and it seemed like a sure thing in his bag. Then it went away and came back in the form of the GAPR for the open, which he rarely hit, then back to the UDI with a revolving door of shaft changes until it left the bag completely. He seemed to really have a problem with a two way miss before it left the bag, either tugging it hard left or wiping it to the right. I think **** will freeze over if Tiger puts a hybrid in the bag though, hah!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Keep waiting to see the 2 iron too. He's always given the reasoning that when there is high rough that he usually chosses the fairway wood over the iron. With his schedule being so limited and the tournaments he's been playing favoring the knarley stuff, maybe we are seeing the last of it. Or...maybe it will show back up when it gets back into playoff time in the late summer/fall and the conditions are a little condusive for it.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I find it hard to think he would get any grief over it, but he seemed pretty fond of that UDI, I wonder if he ever gets any pressure to keep the newer models in the bag and just isn't as much of a fan.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What i'm curious about was all the shaft switching. He had been playing the Project X PXi in his 2-iron even during the Nike period and it made the switch over to the UDI. It was the only reason I even looked at the shaft as a driving iron option and it turned out to be perfect. Then all of the sudden hes got 1-off Tensei hybrid Oranges and Whites and then back to steel but Dynamic Gold instead and then I saw something about a standard Project X Rifle? Seemed like he was really trying to find something and I wonder what made him ever go away from what was working in the first place. Maybe it was True Temper discontinuing the PXi? We'll never know I guess, but its stuff like that that I find interesting.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > He's always been a fan of wanting to hit the ball high when he feels like he needs to, so perhaps he's lost that ability to reliably do it for whatever reason...hense the searching. Maybe that's another reason we haven't seen it in the bag this year?

> > > > >

> > > > > Yeah that makes sense, I know hes talked about that in clinics re: attacking par 5s so it could just easily be a concerted effort to keep that attack option in the bag. One thing that has definitely changed in conjunction with the 2-iron leaving the bag is dialing back with the driver too. He was hitting 180mph ball speeds last year and he is down in the high 160's to low 170's now, so the 5w probably makes more sense from a distance standpoint now too.

> > > >

> > > > Just watched the replay of his final round at the Players last year. He was 180+ with the driver and 174 a couple times with 3 wood. Seems like he has dialed back quite a bit with the long clubs.

> > >

> > > I think a good bit of that happened before the end of the year last year. Don't know how much is swing speed related and how much is the other changes he made searching more more spin/control. It just doens't seem like he's adopted the new ways of not spinning the ball off the long clubs and trying to keep it straight, he still likes to move it around. Problem is, his wants don't seem to match the technology that is currently the new "norm" of today.

> >

> > I don't know if he is much "slower" in terms of swing speed, but his efficiency in terms of ball speed is much lower. With is driver he is in the low 170s tops now. That could be intentional as he want a ball that stays in play. Or maybe he just cannot generate the power any more. I dunno the reason, but whatever it is he is much shorter off the tee. The rest seems to be about the same.

>

> The ball speeds reported on TV were especially bad when he came back last year and earlier this year. There were a bunch that didn't make sense at all so I wouldn't assume he's lost 10+mph of ball speed. That's just not going to happen.

 

This is not accurate. Ball speeds shown were correct. It was the reported high swing speed numbers (129) that people took issue with for one reason or another. He has definitely dialed it back for accuracy but can still turn it up if he wants.

[preshotroutine]

> @Valtiel said:

> > @preshotroutine said:

> > Why are there no milling on the face of the putter like stock select putters have?

>

> Because its not a stock select putter?

 

> @Valtiel said:

> > @preshotroutine said:

> > Why are there no milling on the face of the putter like stock select putters have?

>

> Because its not a stock select putter?

 

So the milling on Scotty Cameron putters is not done to improve ball roll? Is it purely aesthetic? Tigers putter is as smooth as the porn stars ? he ? and he rolls it fine?

 

[bladehunter]

> @preshotroutine said:

> > @Valtiel said:

> > > @preshotroutine said:

> > > Why are there no milling on the face of the putter like stock select putters have?

> >

> > Because its not a stock select putter?

>

> > @Valtiel said:

> > > @preshotroutine said:

> > > Why are there no milling on the face of the putter like stock select putters have?

> >

> > Because its not a stock select putter?

>

> So the milling on Scotty Cameron putters is not done to improve ball roll? Is it purely aesthetic? Tigers putter is as smooth as the **** stars ? he ? and he rolls it fine?

>

 

Faces were milled originally for a perfectly flat surface. I’m sure this one was Milled. Then probably sanded off per his preference for feel ? Not sure. Less milling depth the firmer it will feel.

 

Milling has never been for a better roll. Unless you’re talking about horizontal grooves.

[Valtiel]

> @mmack067 said:

> > @QuigleyDU said:

> > > @Golfrnut said:

> > > > @JJK947 said:

> > > > > @Valtiel said:

> > > > > > @Golfrnut said:

> > > > > > > @Valtiel said:

> > > > > > > > @Golfrnut said:

> > > > > > > > > @Valtiel said:

> > > > > > > > > > @cardoustie said:

> > > > > > > > > > My goodness another pro with the weights not in the fade setting !

> > > > > > > > > > I still see a 2i in my mind's eye when I look at TW's bag. Amazed he doesn't have a hybrid worked into the mix yet

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Its interesting....he was really striping that UDI last year and it seemed like a sure thing in his bag. Then it went away and came back in the form of the GAPR for the open, which he rarely hit, then back to the UDI with a revolving door of shaft changes until it left the bag completely. He seemed to really have a problem with a two way miss before it left the bag, either tugging it hard left or wiping it to the right. I think **** will freeze over if Tiger puts a hybrid in the bag though, hah!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Keep waiting to see the 2 iron too. He's always given the reasoning that when there is high rough that he usually chosses the fairway wood over the iron. With his schedule being so limited and the tournaments he's been playing favoring the knarley stuff, maybe we are seeing the last of it. Or...maybe it will show back up when it gets back into playoff time in the late summer/fall and the conditions are a little condusive for it.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I find it hard to think he would get any grief over it, but he seemed pretty fond of that UDI, I wonder if he ever gets any pressure to keep the newer models in the bag and just isn't as much of a fan.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What i'm curious about was all the shaft switching. He had been playing the Project X PXi in his 2-iron even during the Nike period and it made the switch over to the UDI. It was the only reason I even looked at the shaft as a driving iron option and it turned out to be perfect. Then all of the sudden hes got 1-off Tensei hybrid Oranges and Whites and then back to steel but Dynamic Gold instead and then I saw something about a standard Project X Rifle? Seemed like he was really trying to find something and I wonder what made him ever go away from what was working in the first place. Maybe it was True Temper discontinuing the PXi? We'll never know I guess, but its stuff like that that I find interesting.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > He's always been a fan of wanting to hit the ball high when he feels like he needs to, so perhaps he's lost that ability to reliably do it for whatever reason...hense the searching. Maybe that's another reason we haven't seen it in the bag this year?

> > > > >

> > > > > Yeah that makes sense, I know hes talked about that in clinics re: attacking par 5s so it could just easily be a concerted effort to keep that attack option in the bag. One thing that has definitely changed in conjunction with the 2-iron leaving the bag is dialing back with the driver too. He was hitting 180mph ball speeds last year and he is down in the high 160's to low 170's now, so the 5w probably makes more sense from a distance standpoint now too.

> > > >

> > > > Just watched the replay of his final round at the Players last year. He was 180+ with the driver and 174 a couple times with 3 wood. Seems like he has dialed back quite a bit with the long clubs.

> > >

> > > I think a good bit of that happened before the end of the year last year. Don't know how much is swing speed related and how much is the other changes he made searching more more spin/control. It just doens't seem like he's adopted the new ways of not spinning the ball off the long clubs and trying to keep it straight, he still likes to move it around. Problem is, his wants don't seem to match the technology that is currently the new "norm" of today.

> >

> > I don't know if he is much "slower" in terms of swing speed, but his efficiency in terms of ball speed is much lower. With is driver he is in the low 170s tops now. That could be intentional as he want a ball that stays in play. Or maybe he just cannot generate the power any more. I dunno the reason, but whatever it is he is much shorter off the tee. The rest seems to be about the same.

>

> The ball speeds reported on TV were especially bad when he came back last year and earlier this year. There were a bunch that didn't make sense at all so I wouldn't assume he's lost 10+mph of ball speed. That's just not going to happen.

 

I was thinking the same thing, but the other week at Bethpage when he was playing with Koepka had him sitting at 168mph followed immediately by Koepka hitting 180mph. Regardless of the actual accuracy of the numbers, the difference is still there.

[preshotroutine]

> @bladehunter said:

> > @preshotroutine said:

> > > @Valtiel said:

> > > > @preshotroutine said:

> > > > Why are there no milling on the face of the putter like stock select putters have?

> > >

> > > Because its not a stock select putter?

> >

> > > @Valtiel said:

> > > > @preshotroutine said:

> > > > Why are there no milling on the face of the putter like stock select putters have?

> > >

> > > Because its not a stock select putter?

> >

> > So the milling on Scotty Cameron putters is not done to improve ball roll? Is it purely aesthetic? Tigers putter is as smooth as the **** stars ? he ? and he rolls it fine?

> >

>

> Faces were milled originally for a perfectly flat surface. I’m sure this one was Milled. Then probably sanded off per his preference for feel ? Not sure. Less milling depth the firmer it will feel.

>

> Milling has never been for a better roll. Unless you’re talking about horizontal grooves.

 

Thanks for that info about milling! As to my knowledge Scotty does not have or never has used horizontal groves on his putters. Is this because there really is no merit to horizontal groves improving roll?

[QuigleyDU]

> @preshotroutine said:

> > @bladehunter said:

> > > @preshotroutine said:

> > > > @Valtiel said:

> > > > > @preshotroutine said:

> > > > > Why are there no milling on the face of the putter like stock select putters have?

> > > >

> > > > Because its not a stock select putter?

> > >

> > > > @Valtiel said:

> > > > > @preshotroutine said:

> > > > > Why are there no milling on the face of the putter like stock select putters have?

> > > >

> > > > Because its not a stock select putter?

> > >

> > > So the milling on Scotty Cameron putters is not done to improve ball roll? Is it purely aesthetic? Tigers putter is as smooth as the **** stars ? he ? and he rolls it fine?

> > >

> >

> > Faces were milled originally for a perfectly flat surface. I’m sure this one was Milled. Then probably sanded off per his preference for feel ? Not sure. Less milling depth the firmer it will feel.

> >

> > Milling has never been for a better roll. Unless you’re talking about horizontal grooves.

>

> Thanks for that info about milling! As to my knowledge Scotty does not have or never has used horizontal groves on his putters. Is this because there really is no merit to horizontal groves improving roll?

 

I think there has been pretty reasonable and accepted research to show that horizontal milling like that of evnroll putters does work.

[jll62]

Milled grind soles on Tiger's irons. When I take pictures of my P7TW in similar lighting, there is no difference in the milling marks. The soles of the 8-iron in the GolfWRX pics in this thread were overexposed and lost detail.

 

[NRJyzr]

> @preshotroutine said:

> > @bladehunter said:

> > > @preshotroutine said:

> > > > @Valtiel said:

> > > > > @preshotroutine said:

> > > > > Why are there no milling on the face of the putter like stock select putters have?

> > > >

> > > > Because its not a stock select putter?

> > >

> > > > @Valtiel said:

> > > > > @preshotroutine said:

> > > > > Why are there no milling on the face of the putter like stock select putters have?

> > > >

> > > > Because its not a stock select putter?

> > >

> > > So the milling on Scotty Cameron putters is not done to improve ball roll? Is it purely aesthetic? Tigers putter is as smooth as the **** stars ? he ? and he rolls it fine?

> > >

> >

> > Faces were milled originally for a perfectly flat surface. I’m sure this one was Milled. Then probably sanded off per his preference for feel ? Not sure. Less milling depth the firmer it will feel.

> >

> > Milling has never been for a better roll. Unless you’re talking about horizontal grooves.

>

> Thanks for that info about milling! As to my knowledge Scotty does not have or never has used horizontal groves on his putters. Is this because there really is no merit to horizontal groves improving roll?

 

Possibly because he'd have to license it? {shrug}

[youngwaldo]

Here are some more comparison pictures of my 730 and tigers.