PGA Tour China leading money winner suspended

[Dr. Bombay]

> @hell_is_chrome said:

> If he served a suspension and is following the rules there isn't anything the tour can really do so the "bad look" comment doesn't make sense. That said if I was playing with him I would watch him like a hawk and would probably have someone in the gallery watching him too.

>

> > @"Dr. Bombay" said:

> > > @TerpFangolfer said:

> > > I hadn't heard this story...so he will be on the big tour next year - should be interesting

> >

> > Yup. He has a full card locked up.

> > Will be interesting to see how this plays out in the media next year...bad look for the tour. The guy has won 2 events on the Web Tour this year but the media doesn't really lock into anything on that tour. The players are not pleased with his presence.

>

>

 

Depends on whether or not you believe the "suspension" he "served" was an appropriate punishment. I can assure you players on the tour do not think it was, and, they also think there is a LOT more the Tour could have done at the time (in case you are unaware the transgressions took place in tournaments on a tour owned by the PGA Tour).

 

Cheating does not play well in golf and personally I believe this will turn into a huge publicity headache for the Tour next year. You seem to feel otherwise, and that's fine. Let's see what happens!

 

[JAMH03]

> @PowerPlayer said:

> Pretty sad, really. I got paired with him at a Pro Am and the kid is far more talented than anyone else on the Chinese Tour. Not surprising, though. The value system and moral codes here are "different." I wonder whether Nike will rescind his sponsorship. Seems to be a recurring theme with their athletes.

 

Can you explain more please?

[jamie]

So on paper the penalty is an incorrect card but I’m assuming it was actually him cheating (moving ball, etc.) and not adding the appropriate penalties to score?

[Dr. Bombay]

 

> So on paper the penalty is an incorrect card but I’m assuming it was actually him cheating (moving ball, etc.) and not adding the appropriate penalties to score?

 

The 2 documented infractions were strictly related to altered or improperly recorded hole scores on a scorecard --- had nothing to do with a penalty or kicking the ball around in the rough or anything like that.

[hell_is_chrome]

Where on earth did you get that I am fine with a cheater or fine with the situation? The issue is that the tour set forth a consequence and that consequence has been served. The tour IS the PLAYERS. The players can be pissed all they want but their organization did this. At this point unless he gets caught again there is nothing else that can be done, officially. That's literally all I was saying. Well, that and the fact that I would hover over every shot he hits from here to eternity, which should have been your clue that I am not fine with it.

 

> @"Dr. Bombay" said:

> > @hell_is_chrome said:

> > If he served a suspension and is following the rules there isn't anything the tour can really do so the "bad look" comment doesn't make sense. That said if I was playing with him I would watch him like a hawk and would probably have someone in the gallery watching him too.

> >

> > > @"Dr. Bombay" said:

> > > > @TerpFangolfer said:

> > > > I hadn't heard this story...so he will be on the big tour next year - should be interesting

> > >

> > > Yup. He has a full card locked up.

> > > Will be interesting to see how this plays out in the media next year...bad look for the tour. The guy has won 2 events on the Web Tour this year but the media doesn't really lock into anything on that tour. The players are not pleased with his presence.

> >

> >

>

> Depends on whether or not you believe the "suspension" he "served" was an appropriate punishment. I can assure you players on the tour do not think it was, and, they also think there is a LOT more the Tour could have done at the time (in case you are unaware the transgressions took place in tournaments on a tour owned by the PGA Tour).

>

> Cheating does not play well in golf and personally I believe this will turn into a huge publicity headache for the Tour next year. You seem to feel otherwise, and that's fine. Let's see what happens!

>

 

 

[Dr. Bombay]

> @hell_is_chrome said:

> Where on earth did you get that I am fine with a cheater or fine with the situation? The issue is that the tour set forth a consequence and that consequence has been served. The tour IS the PLAYERS. The players can be pissed all they want but their organization did this. At this point unless he gets caught again there is nothing else that can be done, officially. That's literally all I was saying. Well, that and the fact that I would hover over every shot he hits from here to eternity, which should have been your clue that I am not fine with it.

>

> > @"Dr. Bombay" said:

> > > @hell_is_chrome said:

> > > If he served a suspension and is following the rules there isn't anything the tour can really do so the "bad look" comment doesn't make sense. That said if I was playing with him I would watch him like a hawk and would probably have someone in the gallery watching him too.

> > >

> > > > @"Dr. Bombay" said:

> > > > > @TerpFangolfer said:

> > > > > I hadn't heard this story...so he will be on the big tour next year - should be interesting

> > > >

> > > > Yup. He has a full card locked up.

> > > > Will be interesting to see how this plays out in the media next year...bad look for the tour. The guy has won 2 events on the Web Tour this year but the media doesn't really lock into anything on that tour. The players are not pleased with his presence.

> > >

> > >

> >

> > Depends on whether or not you believe the "suspension" he "served" was an appropriate punishment. I can assure you players on the tour do not think it was, and, they also think there is a LOT more the Tour could have done at the time (in case you are unaware the transgressions took place in tournaments on a tour owned by the PGA Tour).

> >

> > Cheating does not play well in golf and personally I believe this will turn into a huge publicity headache for the Tour next year. You seem to feel otherwise, and that's fine. Let's see what happens!

> >

>

>

 

You seem to be OK with the 6-month suspension and now it's all good. Is this not the case?

[the bishop]

> @"Dr. Bombay" said:

> > @hell_is_chrome said:

> > Where on earth did you get that I am fine with a cheater or fine with the situation? The issue is that the tour set forth a consequence and that consequence has been served. The tour IS the PLAYERS. The players can be pissed all they want but their organization did this. At this point unless he gets caught again there is nothing else that can be done, officially. That's literally all I was saying. Well, that and the fact that I would hover over every shot he hits from here to eternity, which should have been your clue that I am not fine with it.

> >

> > > @"Dr. Bombay" said:

> > > > @hell_is_chrome said:

> > > > If he served a suspension and is following the rules there isn't anything the tour can really do so the "bad look" comment doesn't make sense. That said if I was playing with him I would watch him like a hawk and would probably have someone in the gallery watching him too.

> > > >

> > > > > @"Dr. Bombay" said:

> > > > > > @TerpFangolfer said:

> > > > > > I hadn't heard this story...so he will be on the big tour next year - should be interesting

> > > > >

> > > > > Yup. He has a full card locked up.

> > > > > Will be interesting to see how this plays out in the media next year...bad look for the tour. The guy has won 2 events on the Web Tour this year but the media doesn't really lock into anything on that tour. The players are not pleased with his presence.

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > Depends on whether or not you believe the "suspension" he "served" was an appropriate punishment. I can assure you players on the tour do not think it was, and, they also think there is a LOT more the Tour could have done at the time (in case you are unaware the transgressions took place in tournaments on a tour owned by the PGA Tour).

> > >

> > > Cheating does not play well in golf and personally I believe this will turn into a huge publicity headache for the Tour next year. You seem to feel otherwise, and that's fine. Let's see what happens!

> > >

> >

> >

>

> You seem to be OK with the 6-month suspension and now it's all good. Is this not the case?

 

Well I think what he is saying is that it doesn't matter whether he is fine with it or not. It's the suspension that was imposed by the Tour and he served it. So to that extent he (the player) is allowed to compete again whether he agrees with the punishment or not. He's not the only guy to get caught violating rules and allowed to return to competition. Simon Dyson got suspended for tamping down spike marks (before it was permitted). Not the same level infraction you could argue but the Tours have due process procedures in place and players serve suspensions/banishment as appropriate. Not all are going to agree with it all the time. But as h_i_c said, I'd be watching him like a hawk as well.

[Hawkeye77]

> @"Dr. Bombay" said:

> > @hell_is_chrome said:

> > Where on earth did you get that I am fine with a cheater or fine with the situation? The issue is that the tour set forth a consequence and that consequence has been served. The tour IS the PLAYERS. The players can be pissed all they want but their organization did this. At this point unless he gets caught again there is nothing else that can be done, officially. That's literally all I was saying. Well, that and the fact that I would hover over every shot he hits from here to eternity, which should have been your clue that I am not fine with it.

> >

> > > @"Dr. Bombay" said:

> > > > @hell_is_chrome said:

> > > > If he served a suspension and is following the rules there isn't anything the tour can really do so the "bad look" comment doesn't make sense. That said if I was playing with him I would watch him like a hawk and would probably have someone in the gallery watching him too.

> > > >

> > > > > @"Dr. Bombay" said:

> > > > > > @TerpFangolfer said:

> > > > > > I hadn't heard this story...so he will be on the big tour next year - should be interesting

> > > > >

> > > > > Yup. He has a full card locked up.

> > > > > Will be interesting to see how this plays out in the media next year...bad look for the tour. The guy has won 2 events on the Web Tour this year but the media doesn't really lock into anything on that tour. The players are not pleased with his presence.

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > Depends on whether or not you believe the "suspension" he "served" was an appropriate punishment. I can assure you players on the tour do not think it was, and, they also think there is a LOT more the Tour could have done at the time (in case you are unaware the transgressions took place in tournaments on a tour owned by the PGA Tour).

> > >

> > > Cheating does not play well in golf and personally I believe this will turn into a huge publicity headache for the Tour next year. You seem to feel otherwise, and that's fine. Let's see what happens!

> > >

> >

> >

>

> You seem to be OK with the 6-month suspension and now it's all good. Is this not the case?

 

I'm trying to figure out what difference it makes whether someone acknowledges, agrees with (for x reason), disagrees with (for x reasons) or just doesn't care - why would you "need" to sort that out?

 

Some appropriate decision maker handed out a punishment almost 5 years ago, this was apparently over about 4 1/2 years ago, and he will suffer whatever stigma there is in whatever way he suffers it.

 

Put me in the camp of it just doesn't affect me at all so I don't care.

[jamie]

> @"Dr. Bombay" said:

>

> > So on paper the penalty is an incorrect card but I’m assuming it was actually him cheating (moving ball, etc.) and not adding the appropriate penalties to score?

>

> The 2 documented infractions were strictly related to altered or improperly recorded hole scores on a scorecard --- had nothing to do with a penalty or kicking the ball around in the rough or anything like that.

 

How is that possible with another player keeping his score? They should be suspended if they’re marking the wrong scores.

 

[MattyO1984]

Golfers have a long memory when it comes to this kind of thing...from a European Tour perspective the likes of Simon Dyson and Elliot Saltman never recovered (in terms of their career) after being found to have cheated.

[rafal]

Bad reputation from some early events has followed VJ Singh his whole career.

[Vindog]

> @rafal said:

> Bad reputation from some early events has followed VJ Singh his whole career.

 

Sure it might have followed him, but that was all it did. It never prevented him from any success nor did it preclude him from entering events an eventually working his was to the top.

 

I’m with HIC on this one. He got caught. He did the punishment, and that’s that. Not sure what kind of publicity headache the tour is in for, my guess is none. Right now he is a no-name over here.

[MidwestGolfBum]

> @Hawkeye77 said:

> > @"Dr. Bombay" said:

> > > @hell_is_chrome said:

> > > Where on earth did you get that I am fine with a cheater or fine with the situation? The issue is that the tour set forth a consequence and that consequence has been served. The tour IS the PLAYERS. The players can be pissed all they want but their organization did this. At this point unless he gets caught again there is nothing else that can be done, officially. That's literally all I was saying. Well, that and the fact that I would hover over every shot he hits from here to eternity, which should have been your clue that I am not fine with it.

> > >

> > > > @"Dr. Bombay" said:

> > > > > @hell_is_chrome said:

> > > > > If he served a suspension and is following the rules there isn't anything the tour can really do so the "bad look" comment doesn't make sense. That said if I was playing with him I would watch him like a hawk and would probably have someone in the gallery watching him too.

> > > > >

> > > > > > @"Dr. Bombay" said:

> > > > > > > @TerpFangolfer said:

> > > > > > > I hadn't heard this story...so he will be on the big tour next year - should be interesting

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yup. He has a full card locked up.

> > > > > > Will be interesting to see how this plays out in the media next year...bad look for the tour. The guy has won 2 events on the Web Tour this year but the media doesn't really lock into anything on that tour. The players are not pleased with his presence.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Depends on whether or not you believe the "suspension" he "served" was an appropriate punishment. I can assure you players on the tour do not think it was, and, they also think there is a LOT more the Tour could have done at the time (in case you are unaware the transgressions took place in tournaments on a tour owned by the PGA Tour).

> > > >

> > > > Cheating does not play well in golf and personally I believe this will turn into a huge publicity headache for the Tour next year. You seem to feel otherwise, and that's fine. Let's see what happens!

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> > You seem to be OK with the 6-month suspension and now it's all good. Is this not the case?

>

> I'm trying to figure out what difference it makes whether someone acknowledges, agrees with (for x reason), disagrees with (for x reasons) or just doesn't care - why would you "need" to sort that out?

>

> Some appropriate decision maker handed out a punishment almost 5 years ago, this was apparently over about 4 1/2 years ago, and he will suffer whatever stigma there is in whatever way he suffers it.

>

> Put me in the camp of it just doesn't affect me at all so I don't care.

 

Agree with both HIC and Hawk here. He served his suspension that was handed to him, over 4 years ago, and has gotten on with his career in golf since. I have no doubt that his playing competitors watch him even harder now, but that's something he brought on to himself.

 

There's also the fact that he was able to have a card, which presumably was filled out by a competitor, that was incorrect when signed and turned in is amazing to me. Any large events that I have ever played in (state opens, USGA qualifiers, etc.) you are generally going over the card at a scorers table with several people present when signing them. I also don't know if I can remember a time that either me or a competitor haven't filled out a card with either a sharpie or a pen, making it even harder to alter it. I can't believe there wasn't some kind of help in this, but I could be way off base.

[Man_O_War]

> @drbonesvt said:

> Lance Armstrong school of scoring

 

recycling

[creasy54]

I've never understood how a player who cheats in the professional game is allowed to play tournament golf within a 5 year window of being suspended. There could have been multiple players whose careers were affected by someone 'winning' events, resulting in other players not making it into top5/10 at the end of the season, qschool exemptions, or even just earning enough money after the cut to keep going. Secondly, if the tour in question had any balls, you would be banned from taking part in ANY of their events for life. No Canada, Latino America, Web or PGA Tour events... Cheat = consequences. Cheaters on your tour = take a strong stand and ignore the risks of losing sponsors, because integrity.

[ctmason_98]

> @"Dr. Bombay" said:

> Depends on whether or not you believe the "suspension" he "served" was an appropriate punishment. I can assure you players on the tour do not think it was, and, they also think there is a LOT more the Tour could have done at the time (in case you are unaware the transgressions took place in tournaments on a tour owned by the PGA Tour).

>

> Cheating does not play well in golf and personally I believe this will turn into a huge publicity headache for the Tour next year. You seem to feel otherwise, and that's fine. Let's see what happens!

>

 

Again....for like the third time now....the guy was on the big tour last year. It was in no way a headache for the Tour.

 

Despite your best efforts to convey that you have a deep level of insider knowledge on players innermost thoughts on the subject....you appear to be completely unaware of this. Curious.

 

 

 

 

[titleistprov1man]

Wonder if he was altering his score, or the player's score he was keeping? It never said which one. With them switching cards, could that be the case? I can't make my score lower by two, but I can make yours higher by two. At any rate, they should be keeping their own score, along with your competitors score, so you can validate in the scorers tent. No idea how that would happen.

[Aaronwilson_95]

There’s a small tear off section at the bottom or top off every tournament card that you cross check to your card. My guess is he signed for a few holes that his marker didn’t see him take a drop or compelrtely spaced out that he refers and wrote down the 2nd ball score. One off the most common mistakes because guys are so focused on their own game they forget you hit 2 off the tee & you have to remind them in the scoring area > @titleistprov1man said:

> Wonder if he was altering his score, or the player's score he was keeping? It never said which one. With them switching cards, could that be the case? I can't make my score lower by two, but I can make yours higher by two. At any rate, they should be keeping their own score, along with your competitors score, so you can validate in the scorers tent. No idea how that would happen.

 

 

[imakaveli]

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