Rory & his caddie debate

[JonnyKrasnodar]

The caddie isn't the issue. While I think it's a cop out having a friend on the bag, the issue, from the outside looking in, appears to be attitude.

He destroyed courses for fun, hit incredible irons and wedges and went on daft runs where he sank every putt. There was an aura, a confidence and a desire burning in him.

He's won two big tournaments this year. But the talking point is never how well he won its how much more he could win. I can't think of DJ, Koepka making double, missing a green from 100 yards or missing dozens of makeable putts on such a regular and prolonged period of time.

Now the know it alls are out in force for having an opinion on a golfer on a golf forum of all places but it's not folk just saying stuff about him for the sake of. The broadcasters, online, paper media all highlight how poor aspects of his game can be compared to what it was like 5/6 years ago. Commentators remark "Oh Rory" or "That's a dreadful putt" because his indifferent form IS a thing. To have all the time, money and access to coaches he has, folk that played the game at the highest level can't understand why 1) his weaknesses don't seem to get better and 2) why he seems so blasé about it.

 

I think a strong caddie that would have words with him could be beneficial but he just seems to lack the fire and application he had earlier in his career.

[bladehunter]

> @JonnyKrasnodar said:

> The caddie isn't the issue. While I think it's a cop out having a friend on the bag, the issue, from the outside looking in, appears to be attitude.

> He destroyed courses for fun, hit incredible irons and wedges and went on daft runs where he sank every putt. There was an aura, a confidence and a desire burning in him.

> He's won two big tournaments this year. But the talking point is never how well he won its how much more he could win. I can't think of DJ, Koepka making double, missing a green from 100 yards or missing dozens of makeable putts on such a regular and prolonged period of time.

> Now the know it alls are out in force for having an opinion on a golfer on a golf forum of all places but it's not folk just saying stuff about him for the sake of. The broadcasters, online, paper media all highlight how poor aspects of his game can be compared to what it was like 5/6 years ago. Commentators remark "Oh Rory" or "That's a dreadful putt" because his indifferent form IS a thing. To have all the time, money and access to coaches he has, folk that played the game at the highest level can't understand why 1) his weaknesses don't seem to get better and 2) why he seems so blasé about it.

>

> I think a strong caddie that would have words with him could be beneficial but he just seems to lack the fire and application he had earlier in his career.

 

1000 times this ^

[Shilgy]

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> > > > > > > Lol. I got 2 disagrees. Curious. From those two people. Does that mean you think a caddie change will make him play better ?

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> > > > > > I want one of them but I disagreed. Is it true a bad day for Rory is "running from the fight" and a bad day from Brooks is "fought tough but couldn't get it done today"?

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> > > > > > When you throw crap like "runs away from a fight" on the course about a future hall of famer what do you expect? A bunch of likes?

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> > > > > Well. Take the match recently with tiger . Take the last round of the tour champ with tiger. That’s mentally “ running away “. When you shrink instead of rise to the pressure. It’s not a big thing to say. Everyone has done it at some point. Brooks seems to do the opposite. He doesn’t come up 20 yards short with a wedge or shoot himself out of it early on Sunday.

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> > > > Did Brooks mentally run away when he dumped it in the water on Sunday at Augusta?

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> > > Nope. He came back and nearly tied. That’s the difference. Time and time again Rory will make a double or 3 putt a par 5 away early and then never be seen again.

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> > What about when Rory battled back to make the cut at the PGA and ended up with a top ten finish? Was that mentally running away?

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> > Or when he stood on the tee at Sawgrass on 17 and 18 with a one shot lead, and went on to win?

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> > Or when he won the tour championship and FedEx Cup in a 3 man playoff?

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> I don’t recall saying 100% anything.

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> Battling back at the pga was a good example of what you’re saying.

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> The Fedex cup and players more good examples of him winning when he’s on.

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> Look. Lets not pretend like this is just my opinion. You can find announcers mentioning his “ bouncing step “ when he’s on and “ head hung low” when he’s off at any given event. It’s commonly discussed.

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> As for brooks. I’m not a brooks fan at all. But. He doesn’t have any quit in him when he sniffs the lead. Almost to an irritating degree.

 

What, pray tell, is the difference between "Brooks not having quit in him when he sniffs the lead" (means he's playing well) and Rory having a "bouncing step" when he's on. Lol. One guy you're praising and the other damning for the same behavior.

[bladehunter]

> @Shilgy said:

> > @bladehunter said:

> > > @cdnglf said:

> > > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > > @cdnglf said:

> > > > > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > > > > @Shilgy said:

> > > > > > > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > > > > > Lol. I got 2 disagrees. Curious. From those two people. Does that mean you think a caddie change will make him play better ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I want one of them but I disagreed. Is it true a bad day for Rory is "running from the fight" and a bad day from Brooks is "fought tough but couldn't get it done today"?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > When you throw crap like "runs away from a fight" on the course about a future hall of famer what do you expect? A bunch of likes?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Well. Take the match recently with tiger . Take the last round of the tour champ with tiger. That’s mentally “ running away “. When you shrink instead of rise to the pressure. It’s not a big thing to say. Everyone has done it at some point. Brooks seems to do the opposite. He doesn’t come up 20 yards short with a wedge or shoot himself out of it early on Sunday.

> > > > >

> > > > > Did Brooks mentally run away when he dumped it in the water on Sunday at Augusta?

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> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Nope. He came back and nearly tied. That’s the difference. Time and time again Rory will make a double or 3 putt a par 5 away early and then never be seen again.

> > >

> > > What about when Rory battled back to make the cut at the PGA and ended up with a top ten finish? Was that mentally running away?

> > >

> > > Or when he stood on the tee at Sawgrass on 17 and 18 with a one shot lead, and went on to win?

> > >

> > > Or when he won the tour championship and FedEx Cup in a 3 man playoff?

> >

> >

> > I don’t recall saying 100% anything.

> >

> > Battling back at the pga was a good example of what you’re saying.

> >

> > The Fedex cup and players more good examples of him winning when he’s on.

> >

> > Look. Lets not pretend like this is just my opinion. You can find announcers mentioning his “ bouncing step “ when he’s on and “ head hung low” when he’s off at any given event. It’s commonly discussed.

> >

> > As for brooks. I’m not a brooks fan at all. But. He doesn’t have any quit in him when he sniffs the lead. Almost to an irritating degree.

>

> What, pray tell, is the difference between "Brooks not having quite in him when he sniffs the lead" (means he's playing well) and Rory having a "bouncing step" when he's on. Lol. One guy you're praising and the other damning for the same behavior.

 

In my opinion. It’s just the reaction to any adversity. The bounce only stays if it all goes well. Brooks can get a whiff of the lead. Lose it , or not get it. But will keep clawing. I just don’t see Rory do that. He’s known for the big win. Not the run somebody down win , not the battle it out in the final group win. The trading punches for 9 holes win.

[Shilgy]

> @bladehunter said:

> > @Shilgy said:

> > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > @cdnglf said:

> > > > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > > > @cdnglf said:

> > > > > > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > > > > > @Shilgy said:

> > > > > > > > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > > > > > > Lol. I got 2 disagrees. Curious. From those two people. Does that mean you think a caddie change will make him play better ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I want one of them but I disagreed. Is it true a bad day for Rory is "running from the fight" and a bad day from Brooks is "fought tough but couldn't get it done today"?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > When you throw crap like "runs away from a fight" on the course about a future hall of famer what do you expect? A bunch of likes?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Well. Take the match recently with tiger . Take the last round of the tour champ with tiger. That’s mentally “ running away “. When you shrink instead of rise to the pressure. It’s not a big thing to say. Everyone has done it at some point. Brooks seems to do the opposite. He doesn’t come up 20 yards short with a wedge or shoot himself out of it early on Sunday.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Did Brooks mentally run away when he dumped it in the water on Sunday at Augusta?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Nope. He came back and nearly tied. That’s the difference. Time and time again Rory will make a double or 3 putt a par 5 away early and then never be seen again.

> > > >

> > > > What about when Rory battled back to make the cut at the PGA and ended up with a top ten finish? Was that mentally running away?

> > > >

> > > > Or when he stood on the tee at Sawgrass on 17 and 18 with a one shot lead, and went on to win?

> > > >

> > > > Or when he won the tour championship and FedEx Cup in a 3 man playoff?

> > >

> > >

> > > I don’t recall saying 100% anything.

> > >

> > > Battling back at the pga was a good example of what you’re saying.

> > >

> > > The Fedex cup and players more good examples of him winning when he’s on.

> > >

> > > Look. Lets not pretend like this is just my opinion. You can find announcers mentioning his “ bouncing step “ when he’s on and “ head hung low” when he’s off at any given event. It’s commonly discussed.

> > >

> > > As for brooks. I’m not a brooks fan at all. But. He doesn’t have any quit in him when he sniffs the lead. Almost to an irritating degree.

> >

> > What, pray tell, is the difference between "Brooks not having quite in him when he sniffs the lead" (means he's playing well) and Rory having a "bouncing step" when he's on. Lol. One guy you're praising and the other damning for the same behavior.

>

> In my opinion. It’s just the reaction to any adversity. The bounce only stays if it all goes well. Brooks can get a whiff of the lead. Lose it , or not get it. But will keep clawing. I just don’t see Rory do that. He’s known for the big win. Not the run somebody down win , not the battle it out in the final group win. The trading punches for 9 holes win.

 

But you don't like Rory only doing it when he feels like it and Brooks does the same.

 

Does Koepka bring it every week or just when he feels like he has an easier win? He's the one that claims it's easier to win a major and that's all he tries to win.

[bladehunter]

> @Shilgy said:

> > @bladehunter said:

> > > @Shilgy said:

> > > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > > @cdnglf said:

> > > > > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > > > > @cdnglf said:

> > > > > > > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > > > > > > @Shilgy said:

> > > > > > > > > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > > > > > > > Lol. I got 2 disagrees. Curious. From those two people. Does that mean you think a caddie change will make him play better ?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I want one of them but I disagreed. Is it true a bad day for Rory is "running from the fight" and a bad day from Brooks is "fought tough but couldn't get it done today"?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > When you throw crap like "runs away from a fight" on the course about a future hall of famer what do you expect? A bunch of likes?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Well. Take the match recently with tiger . Take the last round of the tour champ with tiger. That’s mentally “ running away “. When you shrink instead of rise to the pressure. It’s not a big thing to say. Everyone has done it at some point. Brooks seems to do the opposite. He doesn’t come up 20 yards short with a wedge or shoot himself out of it early on Sunday.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Did Brooks mentally run away when he dumped it in the water on Sunday at Augusta?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nope. He came back and nearly tied. That’s the difference. Time and time again Rory will make a double or 3 putt a par 5 away early and then never be seen again.

> > > > >

> > > > > What about when Rory battled back to make the cut at the PGA and ended up with a top ten finish? Was that mentally running away?

> > > > >

> > > > > Or when he stood on the tee at Sawgrass on 17 and 18 with a one shot lead, and went on to win?

> > > > >

> > > > > Or when he won the tour championship and FedEx Cup in a 3 man playoff?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I don’t recall saying 100% anything.

> > > >

> > > > Battling back at the pga was a good example of what you’re saying.

> > > >

> > > > The Fedex cup and players more good examples of him winning when he’s on.

> > > >

> > > > Look. Lets not pretend like this is just my opinion. You can find announcers mentioning his “ bouncing step “ when he’s on and “ head hung low” when he’s off at any given event. It’s commonly discussed.

> > > >

> > > > As for brooks. I’m not a brooks fan at all. But. He doesn’t have any quit in him when he sniffs the lead. Almost to an irritating degree.

> > >

> > > What, pray tell, is the difference between "Brooks not having quite in him when he sniffs the lead" (means he's playing well) and Rory having a "bouncing step" when he's on. Lol. One guy you're praising and the other damning for the same behavior.

> >

> > In my opinion. It’s just the reaction to any adversity. The bounce only stays if it all goes well. Brooks can get a whiff of the lead. Lose it , or not get it. But will keep clawing. I just don’t see Rory do that. He’s known for the big win. Not the run somebody down win , not the battle it out in the final group win. The trading punches for 9 holes win.

>

> But you don't like Rory only doing it when he feels like it and Brooks does the same.

>

> Does Koepka bring it every week or just when he feels like he has an easier win? He's the one that claims it's easier to win a major and that's all he tries to win.

 

But I don’t like brooks either. Just more than Rory. Like saying a size 12 fits better than an 11 when I wear a 13. Lol

[Constandse]

What about Koepka missing the birdie putt on 18 to put some pressure on Woodland. If Rory had done that you would be saying he ran away from the fight

[MilkyButterCuts]

> @Constandse said:

> What about Koepka missing the birdie putt on 18 to put some pressure on Woodland. If Rory had done that you would be saying he ran away from the fight

 

Rory would have had to put himself in that position in the first place.

[bladehunter]

> @Constandse said:

> What about Koepka missing the birdie putt on 18 to put some pressure on Woodland. If Rory had done that you would be saying he ran away from the fight

 

Nope. I’d say he fought and came up short. I don’t recall Rory putting well all day then missing one on 18 to get to within 1 . Rory misses his usually on 2-5 or so. Ending it before it begins.

[aliikane]

Not a caddie issue. His caddie seems to be good. Rory isn't a player that needs a lot of input from caddie. Some players need more than others, but Rory is not one of them.

[Kevinnz]

Jason day thinks well ahead of rory.

[rafal]

> @Kevinnz said:

> Jason day thinks well ahead of rory.

 

Can you imagine Stevie caddying for a spoiled unfocused manchild? Epic scenes.

[gvogel]

> @ImagineThat said:

> I think Rory is having the time of his life and isn't too concerned about much of anything, which even includes his golf game.

 

Life turned out pretty well for the kid. His success got ex-bartender Dad into Seminole - where he seems to be the life of the party. Kid got himself a lovely wife. From time to time he gets hot on the course and wins a tournament. Having a fine year.

 

Will he ever win a major again? Perhaps not. He will still be the player that I follow, just because. Will it frustrate me that he doesn't win the big ones? Not in the least, at this point.

[tsecor]

Harry Diamond doesn't make Rory miss 4 footers..........Diamond is an excellent player, is Rory's great friend and he trusts him. With Rorys resume this year, everything is a-ok

[Kevinnz]

> @tsecor said:

> Harry Diamond doesn't make Rory miss 4 footers..........Diamond is an excellent player, is Rory's great friend and he trusts him. With Rorys resume this year, everything is a-ok

 

With Rorys swing he should be up there leading every event, not just 'ok'

[Kevinnz]

> @rafal said:

> > @Kevinnz said:

> > Jason day thinks well ahead of rory.

>

> Can you imagine Stevie caddying for a spoiled unfocused manchild? Epic scenes.

 

Well rory is quite focused judging from his interviews, he wants to win but just havent found the way focus on the right point. Well experienced caddie can certainly lead him to it, thats what jason day is doing, just be diciplined.

[tsecor]

have you followed him at all this year? one more win and he wins golfer of the year....> @Kevinnz said:

> > @tsecor said:

> > Harry Diamond doesn't make Rory miss 4 footers..........Diamond is an excellent player, is Rory's great friend and he trusts him. With Rorys resume this year, everything is a-ok

>

> With Rorys swing he should be up there leading every event, not just 'ok'