2019 Ping Blueprint Irons - New in hand photos

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> @bladehunter said:

> > @jblough99 said:

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> > > > > @ilikegolf26 said:

> > > > > No offense but you shouldn't be playing either of these sets regardless of what shaft you have in them...

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> > > > Your spin, peak height, and descent angle are all too low for an 8 iron. A shaft change won’t make enough of a difference to bring these numbers into the “optimal” range. A different head design would benefit you more. I think that’s what ilikegolf26 was getting at.

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> > > So you’d suggest a stronger loft 8 iron that produces less spin ? Because that’s exactly what any SGI iron is going to provide.

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> > Never mentioned anything about SGI’s or stronger lofts. There are plenty of cavity back and even bladed irons with traditional lofts that will maintain spin while increasing height and descent angles. Seems the OP is a ping fan, maybe test out the iblades, i know I spun those things off the planet. Titleist AP2 is known for high spin for its loft. I know my Mizuno 919 Tours are some of the highest flying “players irons” I have used.

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> I’m guessing the test subject is just a Low spin player. Because there’s no way that the BP and S55 are super low spin heads. I can bring the BP 7 iron straight down and stop or hit a low cut and pull it back 3-4 feet. I500 wouldn’t do that at all for me. Neither did ap2. Sometimes it’s just a persons limitations being shown. I doubt very seriously If there’s an iron head that will balloon up and stop with the same strike and speed.

 

It might be as simple as not enough ball speed to generate enough launch and spin. On his good strikes he is about 800 rooms short of ideal spin, and maybe a little loft would help that. Ball speed seems too low because some strikes are actually good

[Rcush]

I’m going to film myself so you guys can maybe pick something out and then maybe quickly correct it or at least give me something to work on. I’ll also hit a older iron set of mine. I appreciate all the help and enjoy the discussion.

[golfinguru11]

This went from a blueprint thread to a let’s fix this guys swing. That being said, I don’t even mind it.

[Kball10]

> @Rcush said:

> The other day I played I had an blueprint 8 iron out of the rough from about 160 and spun back about 5 feet on a dumpy course.

> Do you think my golf mat (truestrike mat) is **** up my numbers?

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> Also when I choked up a hair I hit them with more spin.

 

I have a Foresight Sports GCQuad and can tell you that the type of mat you are hitting off of can drastically influence your numbers. This is especially true if you catch the ball a little bit heavy.

 

 

[gambit]

> @Kball10 said:

> > @Rcush said:

> > The other day I played I had an blueprint 8 iron out of the rough from about 160 and spun back about 5 feet on a dumpy course.

> > Do you think my golf mat (truestrike mat) is **** up my numbers?

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> > Also when I choked up a hair I hit them with more spin.

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> I have a Foresight Sports GCQuad and can tell you that the type of mat you are hitting off of can drastically influence your numbers. This is especially true if you catch the ball a little bit heavy.

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That’s true. An older beat up mat will generate less spin. If he played it on course and got 160 out of an 8i that stuck the green he should be fine. Long irons would be a problem holding the green at his peak heights so maybe he just plays the hole so it runs out a bit.

 

[halfsumo]

Finally saw these in person. The store had some used iblades and S55s as well. For me, the Blueprints and iblades are both too small. The S55 looked the best to me at address, and surprisingly, I liked the i210 over all of them. Guess I just like a bigger blade. The Blueprints do look super premium and have a great finish on them. I think PING should scrap the iblade and i210 and merge that product slot into something that is basically a slightly bigger S55 with all the feel/forgiveness of the i210. Easier said than done, but I think it would be a good compliment to the BP's.

[rgk5]

> @halfsumo said:

> Finally saw these in person. The store had some used iblades and S55s as well. For me, the Blueprints and iblades are both too small. The S55 looked the best to me at address, and surprisingly, I liked the i210 over all of them. Guess I just like a bigger blade. The Blueprints do look super premium and have a great finish on them. I think PING should scrap the iblade and i210 and merge that product slot into something that is basically a slightly bigger S55 with all the feel/forgiveness of the i210. Easier said than done, but I think it would be a good compliment to the BP's.

 

 

Here is some news and not fake. The i210, and S55 are not blades, nor are the IBlades. Real blades have no cavity. I do agree that the S55 is a great iron.

[denvergolf]

> @rgk5 said:

> > @halfsumo said:

> > Finally saw these in person. The store had some used iblades and S55s as well. For me, the Blueprints and iblades are both too small. The S55 looked the best to me at address, and surprisingly, I liked the i210 over all of them. Guess I just like a bigger blade. The Blueprints do look super premium and have a great finish on them. I think PING should scrap the iblade and i210 and merge that product slot into something that is basically a slightly bigger S55 with all the feel/forgiveness of the i210. Easier said than done, but I think it would be a good compliment to the BP's.

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> Here is some news and not fake. The i210, and S55 are not blades, nor are the IBlades. Real blades have no cavity. I do agree that the S55 is a great iron.

 

I feel they have already made the club you want and it’s the iBlade ( I read what you wrote on that)

 

 

[halfsumo]

> @rgk5 said:

> > @halfsumo said:

> > Finally saw these in person. The store had some used iblades and S55s as well. For me, the Blueprints and iblades are both too small. The S55 looked the best to me at address, and surprisingly, I liked the i210 over all of them. Guess I just like a bigger blade. The Blueprints do look super premium and have a great finish on them. I think PING should scrap the iblade and i210 and merge that product slot into something that is basically a slightly bigger S55 with all the feel/forgiveness of the i210. Easier said than done, but I think it would be a good compliment to the BP's.

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> Here is some news and not fake. The i210, and S55 are not blades, nor are the IBlades. Real blades have no cavity. I do agree that the S55 is a great iron.

 

Lol, thanks for the education, silly old me has been referring to the part of the iron attached to the hosel as the "blade" forever.

[soap1984]

It's a bit of a stretch to tell someone they shouldn't be playing either set because their numbers aren't what would be optimal for that loft of club; the guy obviously doesn't swing it pga speed like everyone else on here and is a lower spin player. I hit my 8 iron a bit further than the guy who posted his numbers, but I'm a low spinner as well and can play with pretty much any club without much difference at all. 5 extra feet of peak height aren't going to make that much of a difference if you find a club you can middle more often that spins a bit too low, I'd go with that.

 

I'm looking forward to hitting these at some point, I played s55 a few years ago and really liked them. There are a shocking number of good reviews of the BP it's crazy

[Rcush]

I appreciate your reassurance Soap! I know that if I don’t get my numbers where they’re suppose to be the Blueprint Nazis will be on the prowl.

 

> @soap1984 said:

> It's a bit of a stretch to tell someone they shouldn't be playing either set because their numbers aren't what would be optimal for that loft of club; the guy obviously doesn't swing it pga speed like everyone else on here and is a lower spin player. I hit my 8 iron a bit further than the guy who posted his numbers, but I'm a low spinner as well and can play with pretty much any club without much difference at all. 5 extra feet of peak height aren't going to make that much of a difference if you find a club you can middle more often that spins a bit too low, I'd go with that.

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> I'm looking forward to hitting these at some point, I played s55 a few years ago and really liked them. There are a shocking number of good reviews of the BP it's crazy

 

 

[matchavez]

> @soap1984 said:

> It's a bit of a stretch to tell someone they shouldn't be playing either set because their numbers aren't what would be optimal for that loft of club; the guy obviously doesn't swing it pga speed like everyone else on here and is a lower spin player. I hit my 8 iron a bit further than the guy who posted his numbers, but I'm a low spinner as well and can play with pretty much any club without much difference at all. 5 extra feet of peak height aren't going to make that much of a difference if you find a club you can middle more often that spins a bit too low, I'd go with that.

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> I'm looking forward to hitting these at some point, I played s55 a few years ago and really liked them. There are a shocking number of good reviews of the BP it's crazy

 

I'm on this train of thought... the guy is hitting low. He'd probably hit anything too low. Fitters always think they can fit someone into a fix, but sometimes you have to fit to the person and give them a chance to be right when they make the fix.

All of the fitting advice here would be giving the dude moon balls if he fixes a swing flaw. How smart is it to correct for height in this situation? I'd say it's not. You want to help someone get good contact. Would I put him in an x100? No. But the choice of head for someone who can hit centre is relatively moot.

 

Want blades? Well, you hit it too low. Here's some gigantic shovels to get your apex up 10 ft. Hope that helps. See you after you knock down a drone with your 9-iron. Ugh.

[duffer987]

> @halfsumo said:

> > @rgk5 said:

> > > @halfsumo said:

> > > Finally saw these in person. The store had some used iblades and S55s as well. For me, the Blueprints and iblades are both too small. The S55 looked the best to me at address, and surprisingly, I liked the i210 over all of them. Guess I just like a bigger blade. The Blueprints do look super premium and have a great finish on them. I think PING should scrap the iblade and i210 and merge that product slot into something that is basically a slightly bigger S55 with all the feel/forgiveness of the i210. Easier said than done, but I think it would be a good compliment to the BP's.

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> > Here is some news and not fake. The i210, and S55 are not blades, nor are the IBlades. Real blades have no cavity. I do agree that the S55 is a great iron.

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> Lol, thanks for the education, silly old me has been referring to the part of the iron attached to the hosel as the "blade" forever.

 

Indeed - you should have used head or metal bit for ball hitting - to keep the pedantic patronisers at bay.

[kcsf]

Jerry, try some punctuation so we can understand WTH you're talking about! Your run-on sentences make it really difficult to grasp your intent. Thanks.

[Rcush]

Ok analyze this. All 7 Irons...

 

BP awt 2.0 stiff

I500 tru temper 120 stiff

S55 cfs stuff

G700 ust recoil f3 reg (Dad’s club)

 

 

 

[Rcush]

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[YoungJedi]

> @Rcush said:

> Ok analyze this. All 7 Irons...

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There’s definitely A lot of manipulation going on with the club. But just working off of what you have, and going with best numbers. Blueprints are best fit IMO

 

When looking at a proper fit, I look at smash factor, height, land angle, and spin rate. (To keep thing simple, obviously there is more to look at)

 

Your height and land angle are all fine (and similar). Looking for 45° land angle, and 30 height. All are right there.

 

G700 you get the most ball speed (and highest smash factor). But the spin is too low. Same with i500.

 

Blueprints and s55 are about identical. But you hit blueprints better.

 

Stick with the blueprints. Jury adjourned.

[JerryTBall]

> @kcsf said:

> Jerry, try some punctuation so we can understand WTH you're talking about! Your run-on sentences make it really difficult to grasp your intent. Thanks.

 

Sorry, basically I’m having to accept I’m not that skilled of a 8 hdcp to be consistent enough to own the BP’s.

I’m trading in but they are too new for a trade in price, so going to another set and the shop in raleigh has them if anybody local wanted at probably half cost, along with my Bruzer putter.

[gambit]

> @YoungJedi said:

> > @Rcush said:

> > Ok analyze this. All 7 Irons...

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> > G700 ust recoil f3 reg (Dad’s club)

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> There’s definitely A lot of manipulation going on with the club. But just working off of what you have, and going with best numbers. Blueprints are best fit IMO

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> When looking at a proper fit, I look at smash factor, height, land angle, and spin rate. (To keep thing simple, obviously there is more to look at)

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> Your height and land angle are all fine (and similar). Looking for 45° land angle, and 30 height. All are right there.

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> G700 you get the most ball speed (and highest smash factor). But the spin is too low. Same with i500.

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> Blueprints and s55 are about identical. But you hit blueprints better.

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> Stick with the blueprints. Jury adjourned.

 

BPs with a higher spinning shaft. 5800 rpm is low for a 7i.

[duffer987]

> @JerryTBall said:

> > @kcsf said:

> > Jerry, try some punctuation so we can understand WTH you're talking about! Your run-on sentences make it really difficult to grasp your intent. Thanks.

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> Sorry, basically I’m having to accept I’m not that skilled of a 8 hdcp to be consistent enough to own the BP’s.

> I’m trading in but they are too new for a trade in price, so going to another set and the shop in raleigh has them if anybody local wanted at probably half cost, along with my Bruzer putter.

 

So out on the course you saw a definite difference between the BPs and the 919Ts?

Do you typically have a consistent miss that the BPs don't help with that the Mizzys do? Asking as I have 919Ts along with S55s and with an index in and around yours.

[JerryTBall]

> @duffer987 said:

> > @JerryTBall said:

> > > @kcsf said:

> > > Jerry, try some punctuation so we can understand WTH you're talking about! Your run-on sentences make it really difficult to grasp your intent. Thanks.

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> > Sorry, basically I’m having to accept I’m not that skilled of a 8 hdcp to be consistent enough to own the BP’s.

> > I’m trading in but they are too new for a trade in price, so going to another set and the shop in raleigh has them if anybody local wanted at probably half cost, along with my Bruzer putter.

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> So out on the course you saw a definite difference between the BPs and the 919Ts?

> Do you typically have a consistent miss that the BPs don't help with that the Mizzys do? Asking as I have 919Ts along with S55s and with an index in and around yours.

 

Sorry Duff, I have as backup set Srixon Z Forged and Z785, the misses with those were more off line but did not give up much distance. Now I can say I had the 919 and mp 18 mmc, the Srixon are more forgiving IMO. Let me add I regret not putting same shafts in the BP’s I have in my Srixon’s cause it could be the difference. I feel the PX lz’s Load where the DG’s I lose the head.

[Rcush]

Which shafts?

> @gambit said:

> > @YoungJedi said:

> > > @Rcush said:

> > > Ok analyze this. All 7 Irons...

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> > > BP awt 2.0 stiff

> > > I500 tru temper 120 stiff

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> > When looking at a proper fit, I look at smash factor, height, land angle, and spin rate. (To keep thing simple, obviously there is more to look at)

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> > Your height and land angle are all fine (and similar). Looking for 45° land angle, and 30 height. All are right there.

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> > G700 you get the most ball speed (and highest smash factor). But the spin is too low. Same with i500.

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> > Blueprints and s55 are about identical. But you hit blueprints better.

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> > Stick with the blueprints. Jury adjourned.

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> BPs with a higher spinning shaft. 5800 rpm is low for a 7i.

 

 

[duffer987]

> @JerryTBall said:

> > @duffer987 said:

> > > @JerryTBall said:

> > > > @kcsf said:

> > > > Jerry, try some punctuation so we can understand WTH you're talking about! Your run-on sentences make it really difficult to grasp your intent. Thanks.

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> > > Sorry, basically I’m having to accept I’m not that skilled of a 8 hdcp to be consistent enough to own the BP’s.

> > > I’m trading in but they are too new for a trade in price, so going to another set and the shop in raleigh has them if anybody local wanted at probably half cost, along with my Bruzer putter.

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> > So out on the course you saw a definite difference between the BPs and the 919Ts?

> > Do you typically have a consistent miss that the BPs don't help with that the Mizzys do? Asking as I have 919Ts along with S55s and with an index in and around yours.

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> Sorry Duff, I have as backup set Srixon Z Forged and Z785, the misses with those were more off line but did not give up much distance. Now I can say I had the 919 and mp 18 mmc, the Srixon are more forgiving IMO. Let me add I regret not putting same shafts in the BP’s I have in my Srixon’s cause it could be the difference. I feel the PX lz’s Load where the DG’s I lose the head.

 

Thanks for the reply. I used to play z745s and those are about as big/'forgiving' a CB I've played, so makes sense they would be and if the Z Forged are similar to z9s can imagine they are quite playable too.

[jmkenn0]

@Rcush - Were you hitting those off a tee? I'd definitely want to see some turf interaction if I were you, especially with the teeny sole on the BP.

BP update - attempted to hit a PW about 90% to an uphill pin placement, caught it a groove low, backed it up 3 feet. These things are great!

[Rcush]

> @jmkenn0 said:

> @Rcush - Were you hitting those off a tee? I'd definitely want to see some turf interaction if I were you, especially with the teeny sole on the BP.

> BP update - attempted to hit a PW about 90% to an uphill pin placement, caught it a groove low, backed it up 3 feet. These things are great!

 

hitting off truestrike mat off the turf. Ill make a video shortly of that in slow motion.

[Rcush]

Turf interaction not sure if it caught it.

https://twitter.com/rcush88/status/1145751262723551233?s=21> @jmkenn0 said:

> @Rcush - Were you hitting those off a tee? I'd definitely want to see some turf interaction if I were you, especially with the teeny sole on the BP.

> BP update - attempted to hit a PW about 90% to an uphill pin placement, caught it a groove low, backed it up 3 feet. These things are great!

 

 

[gambit]

> @Rcush said:

> Which shafts?

> > @gambit said:

> > > @YoungJedi said:

> > > > @Rcush said:

> > > > Ok analyze this. All 7 Irons...

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> > > When looking at a proper fit, I look at smash factor, height, land angle, and spin rate. (To keep thing simple, obviously there is more to look at)

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> > > Your height and land angle are all fine (and similar). Looking for 45° land angle, and 30 height. All are right there.

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> > > G700 you get the most ball speed (and highest smash factor). But the spin is too low. Same with i500.

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> > > Blueprints and s55 are about identical. But you hit blueprints better.

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> > > Stick with the blueprints. Jury adjourned.

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> > BPs with a higher spinning shaft. 5800 rpm is low for a 7i.

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I would say if you're looking at stock shafts with no upcharge then I'd start with the PX LZ and Modus 105 shafts. Your peak height looks much better with 7i. Looks like you possibly caught a couple low off the face?

[matchavez]

> @JerryTBall said:

> Sorry Duff, I have as backup set Srixon Z Forged and Z785, the misses with those were more off line but did not give up much distance. Now I can say I had the 919 and mp 18 mmc, the Srixon are more forgiving IMO. Let me add I regret not putting same shafts in the BP’s I have in my Srixon’s cause it could be the difference. I feel the PX lz’s Load where the DG’s I lose the head.

 

I think it's fair to say that if you're going to start playing these guys, you better have the shaft that fits you, without exception. There's little margin for error, and while that results in a lot of good feel, if you don't have the feel dead on it's gonna make for a bad experience.

 

[JerryTBall]

> @matchavez said:

> > @JerryTBall said:

> > Sorry Duff, I have as backup set Srixon Z Forged and Z785, the misses with those were more off line but did not give up much distance. Now I can say I had the 919 and mp 18 mmc, the Srixon are more forgiving IMO. Let me add I regret not putting same shafts in the BP’s I have in my Srixon’s cause it could be the difference. I feel the PX lz’s Load where the DG’s I lose the head.

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> I think it's fair to say that if you're going to start playing these guys, you better have the shaft that fits you, without exception. There's little margin for error, and while that results in a lot of good feel, if you don't have the feel dead on it's gonna make for a bad experience.

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I totally agree with that and I was a little bit taken back when the guy that fits me all the time disagreed I’d see much of a difference with the loading zone shaft, I really disagree with that. If you’ve never hit the project X loading zone shaft, it’s really hard to explain The feeling, it’s almost like when you take your backswing you can feel that head set and then when you come down it just follows right through, it’s a great feeling, that’s why I love that shaft.

I feel I can go after the ball as hard as I want with that especially when I had it hard stepped one time.

 

[Kball10]

> @JerryTBall said:

> The shaft in them is the dynamic gold 105 Tour standard although they were adjusted one and a half° upright recently but did the black dot they’re hardly worn at all and they sell for over $200 and iron if you can get them from them for 100 $125 you get yourself a real good deal

 

Jerry - what happened? You have been raving about how much you like them? What are you switching to?