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I've gone an annual outing with 24-36 guys for the last 4 years--the outing overall has been happening for 40 years. The last few years we've gone to a "resort" in western PA (I use the word resort loosely, but we don't really mind the divey accommodations).

The arrangement we have is really good. We get our carts in the morning, we can play as much golf as we want all day Friday and Saturday. We play a few different games--one round we'll do scramble, another we'll do a modified stableford game, one we'll do a Ryder Cup format...so on and so forth. We basically have our run of the place, and that's what keeps us coming back. But, we're also a little bored with the course and wouldn't hate a little nicer rooms. So, I'm seeing what else might be out there that could fill in for us next year. Does anyone know of any places within a 3ish hour drive of Cleveland (give or take) that have the following:

1. Lodging on site: we don't want to have to drive anywhere all weekend, a restaurant on site would be nice as well.

2. Not super strict about normal rules: can play as many holes as we want, bring our own drinks on the course, mix up groups (going over the normal 4 ppl per group is common in the twilight hours only)--worth noting, we're not a-holes. We respect the course, and aren't leaving the places trashed or anything, we just have several drinks and like to mix things up.

3. Probably maximum 4 hour drive from Cleveland, OH.

Honestly, I think that's about it. I haven't really found much online at all, which was a little surprising. Anyone know of anything?

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I don't know of any "resorts" that meet your requirements and would be surprised if anyone with a liquor license would allow you to bring your own drinks on the course - that could put their license in jeopardy. Having said that, several years ago I was part of a similar sized group that did a trip to the New Philadelphia area - several golf courses around, along with bars/restaurants all in a fairly close proximity to our hotel.

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Thanks JD, I use the term "resort" loosely here. The place we've gone last few years called itself a resort because it had both golf and hotel. The accommodations wouldn't qualify as a resort to most haha. Truthfully, they don't particularly care much either way in terms of bringing our own. This is pretty much the policy most places I've ever played really. Every once in a while there's one that runs a tight ship, though.

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> @DrOldSchool said:

> Perhaps Oglebay in Wheeling, WV? 3 courses there and lodging. I played the Jones course and it was decent, the Palmer is supposed to be better.

 

I highly highly doubt theyll get away with sneaking in their own drinks there.

The OP says they respect the course yet, sneak in what obviously is multiple cases or bottles id alcohol.

Why not a f like grown adults and buy the drinks from the course. Save the personal stash for the hotel room.

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> @"Carolina Golfer 2" said:

> > @DrOldSchool said:

> > Perhaps Oglebay in Wheeling, WV? 3 courses there and lodging. I played the Jones course and it was decent, the Palmer is supposed to be better.

>

> I highly highly doubt theyll get away with sneaking in their own drinks there.

> The OP says they respect the course yet, sneak in what obviously is multiple cases or bottles id alcohol.

> Why not a f like grown adults and buy the drinks from the course. Save the personal stash for the hotel room.

 

I wouldn't say we're "sneaking in". They give us the ice for our coolers and don't have beer carts driving around. They know--and it's not exactly a bunch of cases and bottles of alcohol--probably half of us take a cooler with 6-8 beers with us. But, spare me the whole "like grown adults" garbage. "Like a grown adult" I like to drink my own beer as opposed to overpaying for whatever cheap domestic light beers they happen to have on their beer cart.

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> @CoolTrav said:

> > @"Carolina Golfer 2" said:

> > > @DrOldSchool said:

> > > Perhaps Oglebay in Wheeling, WV? 3 courses there and lodging. I played the Jones course and it was decent, the Palmer is supposed to be better.

> >

> > I highly highly doubt theyll get away with sneaking in their own drinks there.

> > The OP says they respect the course yet, sneak in what obviously is multiple cases or bottles id alcohol.

> > Why not a f like grown adults and buy the drinks from the course. Save the personal stash for the hotel room.

>

> I wouldn't say we're "sneaking in". They give us the ice for our coolers and don't have beer carts driving around. They know--and it's not exactly a bunch of cases and bottles of alcohol--probably half of us take a cooler with 6-8 beers with us. But, spare me the whole "like grown adults" garbage. "Like a grown adult" I like to drink my own beer as opposed to overpaying for whatever cheap domestic light beers they happen to have on their beer cart.

 

Well if they look the other way intentionally then thats on them. No respectful course will allow it.

Rules are rules and if you use price to justify breaking them. Then there’s not much more helpful i can say.

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> @"Carolina Golfer 2" said:

> > @CoolTrav said:

> > > @"Carolina Golfer 2" said:

> > > > @DrOldSchool said:

> > > > Perhaps Oglebay in Wheeling, WV? 3 courses there and lodging. I played the Jones course and it was decent, the Palmer is supposed to be better.

> > >

> > > I highly highly doubt theyll get away with sneaking in their own drinks there.

> > > The OP says they respect the course yet, sneak in what obviously is multiple cases or bottles id alcohol.

> > > Why not a f like grown adults and buy the drinks from the course. Save the personal stash for the hotel room.

> >

> > I wouldn't say we're "sneaking in". They give us the ice for our coolers and don't have beer carts driving around. They know--and it's not exactly a bunch of cases and bottles of alcohol--probably half of us take a cooler with 6-8 beers with us. But, spare me the whole "like grown adults" garbage. "Like a grown adult" I like to drink my own beer as opposed to overpaying for whatever cheap domestic light beers they happen to have on their beer cart.

>

> Well if they look the other way intentionally then thats on them. No respectful course will allow it.

> Rules are rules and if you use price to justify breaking them. Then there’s not much more helpful i can say.

 

"Rules are rules"...you sound like tons of fun. I've played plenty of respectable courses over the years (in the last 3 years alone: Pinehurst, EagleSticks and Virtues here in Ohio, Nemacolin in PA, Forest Dunes in Michigan). Every single time I've asked if it was OK to bring my own cooler and gotten a "doesn't bother me" shrug. None of them actually care.

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> @"Carolina Golfer 2" said:

> > @DrOldSchool said:

> > Perhaps Oglebay in Wheeling, WV? 3 courses there and lodging. I played the Jones course and it was decent, the Palmer is supposed to be better.

>

> I highly highly doubt theyll get away with sneaking in their own drinks there.

> The OP says they respect the course yet, sneak in what obviously is multiple cases or bottles id alcohol.

> Why not a f like grown adults and buy the drinks from the course. Save the personal stash for the hotel room.

 

I don't know. By my own experience if there's a state where you can get away with just about anything, WV is it.

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> @CoolTrav said:

> > @"Carolina Golfer 2" said:

> > > @CoolTrav said:

> > > > @"Carolina Golfer 2" said:

> > > > > @DrOldSchool said:

> > > > > Perhaps Oglebay in Wheeling, WV? 3 courses there and lodging. I played the Jones course and it was decent, the Palmer is supposed to be better.

> > > >

> > > > I highly highly doubt theyll get away with sneaking in their own drinks there.

> > > > The OP says they respect the course yet, sneak in what obviously is multiple cases or bottles id alcohol.

> > > > Why not a f like grown adults and buy the drinks from the course. Save the personal stash for the hotel room.

> > >

> > > I wouldn't say we're "sneaking in". They give us the ice for our coolers and don't have beer carts driving around. They know--and it's not exactly a bunch of cases and bottles of alcohol--probably half of us take a cooler with 6-8 beers with us. But, spare me the whole "like grown adults" garbage. "Like a grown adult" I like to drink my own beer as opposed to overpaying for whatever cheap domestic light beers they happen to have on their beer cart.

> >

> > Well if they look the other way intentionally then thats on them. No respectful course will allow it.

> > Rules are rules and if you use price to justify breaking them. Then there’s not much more helpful i can say.

>

> "Rules are rules"...you sound like tons of fun. I've played plenty of respectable courses over the years (in the last 3 years alone: Pinehurst, EagleSticks and Virtues here in Ohio, Nemacolin in PA, Forest Dunes in Michigan). Every single time I've asked if it was OK to bring my own cooler and gotten a "doesn't bother me" shrug. None of them actually care.

 

Who told you they didn't care because with their liquor license on the line I guarantee you ownership cares. Yes rules are rules and yes sneaking your own drinks in is a dick move. Do you bring your own food to restaurants? Stop being so cheap and endangering your hosts livelihood.

 

Your group sounds like a royal pain from the other side of the equation so it might be worth it to stick to a course where they let you get away with things that you won't get away with elsewhere. I can't imagine many quality places being ok with your desires.

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OP, sounds like you're talking about either Conley's or Fort Cherry. They both have decent courses and rooms that haven't been remodeled since the Reagan administration.

 

Have you checked out Ogelbay? (WV) Some driving to courses involved

 

Nemicolan (PA) hits both chords but at quite the cost.

 

Kensington (OH) is a beautiful track with nice accommodations, again a financial step or two above from where you are now.

 

Tom's Run/Chestnut Ridge in Blairsville. (PA) Two nice tracks, nice hotel.

 

Also Rocky Gap in Maryland, cute onsite casino if you guys like to gamble. Jack Nicklaus course.

 

My guys have brought their own aiming fluid to all of the above, of course, YMMV.

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> Who told you they didn't care because with their liquor license on the line I guarantee you ownership cares. Yes rules are rules and yes sneaking your own drinks in is a dick move. Do you bring your own food to restaurants? Stop being so cheap and endangering your hosts livelihood.

>

> Your group sounds like a royal pain from the other side of the equation so it might be worth it to stick to a course where they let you get away with things that you won't get away with elsewhere. I can't imagine many quality places being ok with your desires.

 

I'm not sure you understand how liquor license holders actually get in trouble. Their liquor license isn't at risk by us bringing our own beer on the course. The reason courses don't allow outside alcohol is because A) money, which is understandable and B ) it's more difficult to moderate and make sure you don't have drunk people leaving the property (which can get them in trouble). The liquor license becomes at risk when we over-consume on the course and take that liability off their property.

 

It's very common for resorts to allow BYOB for those who are staying on the property because that liability doesn't exist considering we don't leave the property (for reference: https://www.penngolf.com/stay-play/golf-packages ). It's funny, actually, that the holier-than-thou crowd is only bringing this up. The BYOB request is the one aspect we've had zero push back from the other places we've talked to and considered using in the past. They've taken exception to us playing additional holes after our daily 36, they've taken exception to our desire to go off in groups of more than 4...they've even told us we can't have single occupancy in rooms (we've got a few snorers). They've never once made a stink about BYOB. ANYWAYS--this has gotten off track from the original request.

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> > Who told you they didn't care because with their liquor license on the line I guarantee you ownership cares. Yes rules are rules and yes sneaking your own drinks in is a dick move. Do you bring your own food to restaurants? Stop being so cheap and endangering your hosts livelihood.

> >

> > Your group sounds like a royal pain from the other side of the equation so it might be worth it to stick to a course where they let you get away with things that you won't get away with elsewhere. I can't imagine many quality places being ok with your desires.

>

> I'm not sure you understand how liquor license holders actually get in trouble. Their liquor license isn't at risk by us bringing our own beer on the course. The reason courses don't allow outside alcohol is because A) money, which is understandable and B ) it's more difficult to moderate and make sure you don't have drunk people leaving the property (which can get them in trouble). The liquor license becomes at risk when we over-consume on the course and take that liability off their property.

>

> It's very common for resorts to allow BYOB for those who are staying on the property because that liability doesn't exist considering we don't leave the property (for reference: https://www.penngolf.com/stay-play/golf-package ). It's funny, actually, that the holier-than-thou crowd is only bringing this up. The BYOB request is the one aspect we've had zero push back from the other places we've talked to and considered using in the past. They've taken exception to us playing additional holes after our daily 36, they've taken exception to our desire to go off in groups of more than 4...they've even told us we can't have single occupancy in rooms (we've got a few snorers). They've never once made a stink about BYOB. ANYWAYS--this has gotten off track from the original request.

 

oh my god. Quit acting like you know the law when you don't.

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That's not Ohio code, it's from the resource directory. That's why it says at the very top that "The directory is not, however, a complete guide". There's an abundance of exceptions to that statement. It's intended as a rule of thumb/erring on the side of caution. If followed exactly as you quote there with zero exception, I couldn't legally bring beer to a hotel pool--s***, you could make the argument that I couldn't even drink my own beer in my hotel room--if the hotel had a bar. There are several different types of permits and exceptions, though, that exist based on permit type.

 

Again, though, this has devolved into sniping about the acceptability of bringing your own drinks to the course and sidetracked from my original question. So, let's keep things cordial if possible.

 

If you actually want Ohio code around alcohol, though, you can find most of it here:

http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/4301

http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/4303

http://codes.ohio.gov/oac/4301%3A1-1

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> oh my god. Quit acting like you know the law when you don't.

I won't act like I know it everywhere or extensively...I know it enough in my area on this specific subject. Sorry my bringing beer with me on the golf course upsets your sensibilities. I never would've anticipated this much passion about that specific part of my post. So, I'll propose again we table the beer convo for the sake of everyone's sanity and so we can all stay friends.

 

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> @"Carolina Golfer 2" said:

> > @CoolTrav said:

> >

> > > Who told you they didn't care because with their liquor license on the line I guarantee you ownership cares. Yes rules are rules and yes sneaking your own drinks in is a dick move. Do you bring your own food to restaurants? Stop being so cheap and endangering your hosts livelihood.

> > >

> > > Your group sounds like a royal pain from the other side of the equation so it might be worth it to stick to a course where they let you get away with things that you won't get away with elsewhere. I can't imagine many quality places being ok with your desires.

> >

> > I'm not sure you understand how liquor license holders actually get in trouble. Their liquor license isn't at risk by us bringing our own beer on the course. The reason courses don't allow outside alcohol is because A) money, which is understandable and B ) it's more difficult to moderate and make sure you don't have drunk people leaving the property (which can get them in trouble). The liquor license becomes at risk when we over-consume on the course and take that liability off their property.

> >

> > It's very common for resorts to allow BYOB for those who are staying on the property because that liability doesn't exist considering we don't leave the property (for reference: https://www.penngolf.com/stay-play/golf-package ). It's funny, actually, that the holier-than-thou crowd is only bringing this up. The BYOB request is the one aspect we've had zero push back from the other places we've talked to and considered using in the past. They've taken exception to us playing additional holes after our daily 36, they've taken exception to our desire to go off in groups of more than 4...they've even told us we can't have single occupancy in rooms (we've got a few snorers). They've never once made a stink about BYOB. ANYWAYS--this has gotten off track from the original request.

>

> oh my god. Quit acting like you know the law when you don't.

 

Hole in one.

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> @CoolTrav said:

> > oh my god. Quit acting like you know the law when you don't.

> I won't act like I know it everywhere or extensively...I know it enough in my area on this specific subject. Sorry my bringing beer with me on the golf course upsets your sensibilities. I never would've anticipated this much passion about that specific part of my post. So, I'll propose again we table the beer convo for the sake of everyone's sanity and so we can all stay frien

>

 

No you really dont and all of the exceptions are listed but i didnt copy them to save space. Good luck on your search. Hopefully you find what you are looking for along with being able to admit when you are wrong. As i stated i doubt you are going to find a better deal for what you are looking for if you are honest with the facility.

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I just received an email from The VIrtues (formerly Longaberger) for a stay a play package. I don't recall seeing anyplace on the property to stay, but maybe they have lodging or have arranged for a deal at a motel in/around Zanesville or Newark. You may also find other area courses to play such as Denison, Eaglesticks or possibly the Zanesville Country Club or Moundbuilders.

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Lakeview in Morgantown has 2 courses and hotel on the premises and would be about 3 hours or so from Cleveland. There is a restaurant on the premises as well and you can walk down the 7th fairway from the hotel to a bar that's not owned by the course. I think its less than $200 for two days. Its not exactly "new" accommodations but it's nicer than Conley's.

There's also a stay and play package in the Youngstown area that a bunch of courses belong to but the Julia's B&B is on Pine Lakes GC. From there, there are 3 courses less than a 10 minute drive away. They probably meet most of your criteria. Every place else I can think of would be a big price difference from Conley.

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> No you really dont and all of the exceptions are listed but i didnt copy them to save space. Good luck on your search. Hopefully you find what you are looking for along with being able to admit when you are wrong. As i stated i doubt you are going to find a better deal for what you are looking for if you are honest with the facility.

 

You do realize I showed you an example that, clear as day, lists on its website that it offers what I'm looking for right (despite claims from you legal eagles that it's illegal and no respectable course would offer it)? "Guests & customers are permitted to BYOB on the golf courses and at the Inn." So, now that I know what I'm looking for is in fact legal and out there, I need to find a place that is a little bit closer--Penn National is probably just too far that a few of our group would balk at the drive. But, it's definitely on the list.

 

Thanks for the feedback JD. Virtues does in fact just use a local hotel, so it requires driving to the courses and whatnot. Definitely a great track, though not quite what we need.

Thanks Hellstorm, I'll definitely take a look at Lakeview. We like the idea of 2 courses on the property to get a little more variety. Their packages seem reasonable--we'd want to add a couple rounds to what their base packages offer, but I'll definitely reach out.

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> @buckeyefl said:

> Give me an address so I can shoot you a map so you can tell the difference between Ohio and PA. I know you are to all knowing to realize it but that is an exception in one state and very uncommon. Again, if you are upfront about your intentions you list shrinks dramatically.

 

Will this map show that PA is well within a 3 hour drive from Cleveland? (Meaning half of the states I mentioned clearly allows it?) Yeah? Cool. As uncommon as it may be in your experience (my experience says differently) it's clearly not universally illegal and there's clearly respectable courses doing it--which is what I was asking for in the first place. Why you ever felt the need to jump in pretending to know that this one thing is so abhorrent that no place would ever offer it (despite evidence to the contrary) is beyond me.

 

But, as a fellow Buckeye, I'll change the topic...do you think Justin Fields will be able to excel in Ryan Day's offense? I think he's going to struggle with accuracy but get bailed out by his athleticism. I don't think Day will actively pursue guys like him in the future, but he was too good to pass up in this situation.

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