bending black wedges BE CAREFUL

[tyorke1]

Only the second time in 20yrs I broke a club and both were black wedges, this one was a taylor black, took zero pressure snapped like brittle . I have a Scotland loft and lie and have bent thousands, I should have researched , I don't charge and now I am out a young fellas wedge, costly free business, and yes I replaced it.

[gioguy21]

...for 2 clubs in 20 years...can't you chalk that up to accidental?

[aleph]

> @gioguy21 said:

> ...for 2 clubs in 20 years...can't you chalk that up to accidental?

 

No, the black coating is most likely the reason why. Maltby DBM irons and Cobra DBM irons can't be bent more than ~2 degrees either way.

[Wardonation]

not true bent my Cobra mb's 4 degrees no problem

[jasonp87]

> @Wardonation said:

> not true bent my Cobra mb's 4 degrees no problem

The MBs are only a black coating that come off. The new wedges etc are DBM the black is mixed into the metal. Makes it stronger but more brittle.

 

Ive had dbm type clubs ok to bend upto 2* and others snap at .5* for those reasons id never buy DBM

 

[Howard_Jones]

> @tyorke1 said:

> Only the second time in 20yrs I broke a club and both were black wedges, this one was a taylor black, took zero pressure snapped like brittle . I have a Scotland loft and lie and have bent thousands, I should have researched , I don't charge and now I am out a young fellas wedge, costly free business, and yes I replaced it.

 

A club head that cant be adjusted on loft or lie is useless, and TM say they are made of 8620 Carbon steel, the most common for Wedges, and no warnings about "No bending", so this does not sound right at all. Have you tried a mail to TM about it?

https://www.taylormadegolf.eu/Milled-Grind-Wedge-Black/DW-WZ721.html?cgid=taylormade-wedges#start=2&

[indianalawnguy]

I have bent my Black TM milled grind wedges from almost 1 degree up to 2 flat and also bent the 56 strong and they bent like butter! They are carbon steel and very easy to bend.

[tyorke1]

No Howard I did not, it broke so easy it was crazy. The rep looks after me sold me one to replace it at demo price and of course could not get the same black one. I felt bad kid is 18 and a good kid.

[phatchrisrules]

Something is off, I have bent a lot of black TM wedges and never had an issue. Was it a fake maybe? Now the black Adams irons...now we have an issue.

[Krt22]

Yeah I am not seeing how a very thin surface coating will change the material properties of the entire head.

[wkuo3]

I agree with the theory that something is off here.

The DBM is supposed to increase the surface harness but actually will enhance the adjustability of the carbon 1035 according to all the information.

I would also second guess that the wedge could be counterfeit. I hope you did not throw it away.

Contact the OEM to see if they want to exam it.

If the wedge is indeed a counterfeit, then you're off the hook for replacing it.

The boy might be a good kid, but whomever bought that wedge for him might not know to be cautious buying from the internet. If it's bought in a brick and mortar retail store, return it.

[DaveGoodrich]

> @phatchrisrules said:

> Something is off, I have bent a lot of black TM wedges and never had an issue. Was it a fake maybe? Now the black Adams irons...now we have an issue.

 

I recently had my Adams Pro Black MB's and CB1's bent 2* in both loft and lie with no issues. Not even any cracking of the finish.

[Howard_Jones]

> @tyorke1 said:

> No Howard I did not, it broke so easy it was crazy. The rep looks after me sold me one to replace it at demo price and of course could not get the same black one. I felt bad kid is 18 and a good kid.

 

A few times i tried to adjust a low priced no name PUTTER, it snaps almost only by thinking about adjusting it, so the idea of this being a counterfeit head sound as a possible answer for why it happen. Like Krt22 say above, if this is a surface treatment only, there is no reason for why the hosel itself should snap, it should have been cracks on the surface layers, but not all the way strait trough, unless it was so hard to bend that when it started to move, it could not be stopped, but it did not sound like much force was needed, so the counterfeit idea is the one i think is right.

[MooJersey]

Haha the TM sold you another one. That is crazy. They should of replaced that free of charge.

[tyorke1]

I have bent hundreds if not thousands of clubs, I know what force is needed, this took nothing, most likely is the blackening or it was cracked .

[tyorke1]

wedge came straight from taylormade .

[Nessism]

> @wkuo3 said:

> I agree with the theory that something is off here.

> The DBM is supposed to increase the surface harness but actually will enhance the adjustability of the carbon 1035 according to all the information.

> I would also second guess that the wedge could be counterfeit. I hope you did not throw it away.

> Contact the OEM to see if they want to exam it.

> If the wedge is indeed a counterfeit, then you're off the hook for replacing it.

> The boy might be a good kid, but whomever bought that wedge for him might not know to be cautious buying from the internet. If it's bought in a brick and mortar retail store, return it.

 

Golfworks had a problem where a good many of the early DMB clubs where breaking while bending. There are threads about it in the archives.

[wkuo3]

> @Nessism said:

> > @wkuo3 said:

> > I agree with the theory that something is off here.

> > The DBM is supposed to increase the surface harness but actually will enhance the adjustability of the carbon 1035 according to all the information.

> > I would also second guess that the wedge could be counterfeit. I hope you did not throw it away.

> > Contact the OEM to see if they want to exam it.

> > If the wedge is indeed a counterfeit, then you're off the hook for replacing it.

> > The boy might be a good kid, but whomever bought that wedge for him might not know to be cautious buying from the internet. If it's bought in a brick and mortar retail store, return it.

>

> Golfworks had a problem where a good many of the early DMB clubs where breaking while bending. There are threads about it in the archives.

 

I missed the thread, will look it up.

[Noodler]

I recently had a newly purchased set of Maltby DBMs and snapped the #5 iron. I thought it was a fluke, but reading this thread I'm now wondering if it's more common with irons that have this finish.

[DaveGoodrich]

I sold my buddy a set of the Maltby MMB Blacks that I built (with the DBM finish). The 7-iron snapped when he tried to have it bent a couple degrees. These were sold as sets only, so needless to say, he is bummed. The shop is hoping they can find him a matching head.

[wcbjr]

Bringing up an old thread.

I snapped a DBM gap wedge last week trying to bend 2*. There is no way that club is forged. The metal looked and felt like a die cast model after examination.

[BB28403]

Lots of cast stuff out there these days. My MD4 60's are.

[tyorke1]

I heat first now if I am not sure

[Hawkeye77]

Always good to see folks do the right thing.

[Nessism]

Heating won't do anything unless you heat to red hot.

Regarding you guys busting those Maltby's, my condolences. I'd be really bummed if a club busted. No way a forged club should do that bending 2 degrees. That blacking process must be seriously affecting the molecular structure of the metal.

[ChaosTheory]

I tried to bend a Maltby black Tricept wedge, and it snapped like a dry stick of spaghetti. No more DBM finishes for me.

[PhlashPhace]

This is craziness. I've bent literally thousands of clubs and have never broken one.

[HitaHouse]

I adjusted a black Maltby HDI hybrid head a degree or two and it did not break. However, it was insanely hard to adjust. I knew I was putting enough force on it to break it but was ok with that because I didn't like it at the flatter lie. I later got a newer black HDI head and it was much easier to move.

[tyorke1]

I did a cally hybrid 2 actaually . They moved at least 4 or 5. A buddy plays Bryson lie angles. I used a lot of heat

[Howard_Jones]

Do you really believe the heat made a difference?

304 Stainless steel alloy retains 100% of its structural integrity at 870°C (1679°F), but at 1000°C (1832°F) it loses 50% of its tensile strength, so we need more than 870 C* on the hosel to make it softer for bending, simply forget it, heating of Golf club heads before bending is a MYTH, dont keep it alive with posts like this.