Koepka on JB Holmes

[jmvargas]

I didn't get to see much of JB Holmes in the back 9 but was shocked when I saw his scorecard shooting a 46(+11)...what happened??

 

[sui generis]

> @OldTomMorris said:

"the 40 second rule (sic)"

is NOT a Rule.

 

 

[bladehunter]

> @NoTalentLefty said:

> We all know slow play exists. JB was not on anyone's clock. Koepka it's getting old. If you are thrown off by slow play, learn to deal with it or you are not a champion golfer.

 

Thought about that too. He just gave notice to everyone how to handle him in match play and /or final group on Sunday.

[BearQ]

Watch JB Holmes plum bob 1-3ft putts, your blood wouldnt boil???!

He's a criminal slow player. Its well known on tour amongst players even if its not voiced on the forums much. He gets characterized as deliberate while Cantlay/others are slow aka worst people in golf lol.

Instead of a punishment or warning, he got +16 on the card. It'll do.

[sui generis]

> @jjl said:

> I don't know JB but can't stand watching him play. But as long as the PGA doesn't enforce time rules it's their fault..

 

Why should they? Professional golf is a money making TV endeavor masquerading as a 501c3.

[ctsgolf]

Something about kicking a man while he is down.

 

I will say one thing though...to wait like he did on the first tee only to pull out a 3 iron and jack it OB was just cringe worthy.

[farmer]

> @EricWGolf said:

> Holmes lost me forever after Riviera. I will likely never root for him again. He is brutally slow and it is unfair for others to have to play with, or behind, him. If fast players can’t force others to play ridiculously fast to throw them off their game, then slow players should not be allowed to have an advantage by playing slower than a snail.

>

> And, if I remember correctly, the issue of him Holmes not starting any part of his routine until it is his turn came up after his win at Riviera and he stated that, yes, that is true and it is intentional. He also said his mental coach told him to do it that way.

>

> His mental coach should be reprimanded by the medical board . . . if he’s even certified.

>

 

For me, it was the Torrey Pines 18th hole fiasco.

[NoTalentLefty]

Do you ever think his surgery on his brain may be causing some of his thinking processes? I like Koepka but he's got to get use to others pace of play. Every great golf does. Didn't hear Lowrey complaining yesterday? Wasn't he playing with JB? You're haters and Koepka is your man, he can do no wrong. You all got your heads so far up your arses you can see the back of you teeth.

[Pent08]

The response here to what Koepka said is exactly why Tour players don't admonish the slow guys.

[mizuno player]

JB should be on his process while the other players is going through theirs and hitting. He would be much quicker.

 

Most "fast" players think everyone is slow and annoying.

[bscinstnct]

Last Jb fan here.

 

Go JB!

[Body_Visions]

> @NoTalentLefty said:

> Do you ever think his surgery on his brain may be causing some of his thinking processes?

 

Didn't hear Lowrey complaining yesterday? Wasn't he playing with JB? <

 

 

 

 

Two very good points here. I have been wondering about the surgery for a long time, but never heard anyone else mention it. No one seemed to complain about his pace of play before.

[jgallant415]

For anyone in the “Brooks has to adjust to slow play” camp, I ask “why?” What good reason is there that everyone else needs to adjust to the pace of the slower players instead of making the sloths hurry the heck up? Slow play sucks, period, and I’m not really sure what argument can be made against playing at a reasonable pace.

[Holy Moses]

Does the European Tour have the same pace of play policy as the PGA Tour?

[tatertot]

> @"sui generis" said:

> > @OldTomMorris said:

> "the 40 second rule (sic)"

> is NOT a Rule.

>

 

Actually, the PGA Tour does have a 40-second rule, which they are allowed to establish under USGA Rule 6-7.

 

The PGA explains the rule thusly:

 

The PGA TOUR rules for pace of play includes the 40-second time limit, but also allows an extra 20 seconds (for a total of 60 seconds) under the following circumstances:

> The first player to play a stroke on a par-3 hole

> The first player to play a second stroke on a par-4 or par-5 hole

> The first player to play a third stroke on a par-5 hole

> The first player to play around the putting green

> The first player to play on a putting green

 

Under both sets of guidelines, the timing of a stroke on the putting green begins after a player has been allowed a reasonable amount of time to mark, lift, clean and replace his ball, repair his ball mark and other ball marks on his line of putt and remove loose impediments on his line of putt.

 

[tiderider]

> @Pent08 said:

> The response here to what Koepka said is exactly why Tour players don't admonish the slow guys.

 

seriously ... koepka didn't say it made him play poorly ... he's just pointing out that, yes, holmes is a SLOW player ... and he is a slow player ... don't understand why people are piling on bk here for being one of the few guys to call out slow play, esp when there is so much complaining about slow play in general, esp on this forum ... it ain't gonna change if no one calls out the guilty ...

[LICC]

Holmes is just impossible to root for given his slow play is just rude. Pick your club while you are waiting to take your shot. Be ready when your turn comes.

[NoTalentLefty]

> @jgallant415 said:

> For anyone in the “Brooks has to adjust to slow play” camp, I ask “why?” What good reason is there that everyone else needs to adjust to the pace of the slower players instead of making the sloths hurry the heck up? Slow play sucks, period, and I’m not really sure what argument can be made against playing at a reasonable pace.

 

Because every generation had slow players that the greats have overcome. Not saying slow play isn’t a problem but

1) JB sucked today

2) The group was not behind.

3) JB may have a medical condition that can cause difficulty in his focus.

 

 

 

 

[idrive]

Pace of play is basically determined by the group in front of you. If you're pushing them then you might as well slow it down just a bit just as you need to pick up the pace if you're falling behind.

 

More times than not... folks that are complaining about slow play are looking for an excuse for their own poor play. I'm anything but a slow pace guy but how do we know that JB's game isn't the game that suffered from watching BK pointing to his non existent watch every time he went by an official. It can go both ways.

[hell_is_chrome]

Nah J.B. is just famously slow.

 

> @chrismikayla said:

> A little gamesmanship from JB? He had to know slow play would get under his skin

 

 

[sbjinx]

Made me smile when he pulled his first shot OB. I’m with BK on the slow play issue and glad he called him out.

[Fireballer]

@clubproguy at his best

[shortstop20]

> @bladehunter said:

> > @PZero said:

> > > @bladehunter said:

> > > Bruce is dead right here. But. What does irk me is that if several other guys said the same it would be deemed “ whining because he didn’t play well today “.

> >

> > John's slow play isn't a real secret and he is hated around here specifically because of that.

>

> Oh I know that. And even agree. But. I know that given the circumstances , If say Rahm or Sergio said “ I could have won today if JB wasn’t holding up the world “ this place would have imploded on him. “ whiner “ this and that . Brooks said pretty much the same just now in so many words and is being heralded for it. It’s cool. I just notice the double standard.

 

Maybe that's because Sergio(and less so Rahm) has a documented history of acting like a petulant child that can't take responsibility for their play and Brooks doesn't?

 

[hell_is_chrome]

LOL

 

> @NoTalentLefty said:

> We all know slow play exists. JB was not on anyone's clock. Koepka it's getting old. If you are thrown off by slow play, learn to deal with it or you are not a champion golfer.

 

 

[00steven]

Becoming more of a Koepka fan as the days go on.

[MMB1500]

 

 

[00steven]

> @bladehunter said:

> Bruce is dead right here. But. What does irk me is that if several other guys said the same it would be deemed “ whining because he didn’t play well today “.

 

When you win 4 majors you earn the right to say things.

[NoTalentLefty]

The whole problem is the news today should be on Lowry not what Koepka said.

[idrive]

> @00steven said:

> Becoming more of a Koepka fan as the days go on.

 

Just the opposite for me. Whiners drop straight to the bottom of the I'm a fan of list.

[tannyhoban]

> @Lagavulin62 said:

> That makes sense because when I watched him he didn't seem slow to me. But I see now where the problem is. I read once where Nicklaus had a similar problem when he first came on tour. He said he was trying to be respectful and not disturb his partners. That's why he wouldn't start anything until it was his turn. So one day Jack got called on that by some head of the tour and he adjusted. Maybe that's all JB needs?

>

 

Nic> @Lagavulin62 said:

> That makes sense because when I watched him he didn't seem slow to me. But I see now where the problem is. I read once where Nicklaus had a similar problem when he first came on tour. He said he was trying to be respectful and not disturb his partners. That's why he wouldn't start anything until it was his turn. So one day Jack got called on that by some head of the tour and he adjusted. Maybe that's all JB needs?

>

 

NicKlaus was slow all the way through his career. I hated watching him play because of it. Good for Brooks.