Do You Wish PGA Was in August?

[imakaveli]

If you don’t like the new schedule, the GOAT is with you: https://www.golf-monthly.co.uk/news/tour-news/jack-nicklaus-i-dont-like-the-new-major-schedule-183664

[NJpatbee]

I like the re-sequencing but not the spacing of the Majors. My perference would be the Masters as it is, PGA in late May, US Open in late June, The Open in early August. Cut the Fedex Cup to one elimination round and then the Tour Championship late August.

[bscinstnct]

Is weird. Like

 

Now what?

 

Broncos Atlanta next week, lol.

[BlackDiamondPar5]

Yes August was better. The only pro golf remaining this year is largely contrived pap.

[BlackDiamondPar5]

> @golfer07840 said:

> > @bladehunter said:

> > Yes. Heck I wish the open was in August and the pga in October.

>

> Sure, CBS is going to forgo all NFL coverage in the middle of October for the PGA Championship.

>

> This is a TV thing folks. Nothing more, nothing less. As long as there is a FED EX Cup, no matter how ridiculous you may find it, this is the way it is now. They want as many eyeballs on the TV set as possible and they can't get that going up against football, both College and NFL in September.

Agreed. Over commercialism eventually ruins everything.

 

If they are so afraid of the NFL then run fall golf tournaments Weds - Saturday.

[LICC]

> @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> Yes August was better. The only pro golf remaining this year is largely contrived pap.

 

No one has adequately explained this thinking. The top players all playing for top prizes, on generally terrific courses. But since you can’t read in the news that these are called majors, you can’t enjoy watching them. Makes no sense.

[BlackDiamondPar5]

> @LICC said:

> > @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > Yes August was better. The only pro golf remaining this year is largely contrived pap.

>

> No one has adequately explained this thinking. The top players all playing for top prizes, on generally terrific courses. But since you can’t read in the news that these are called majors, you can’t enjoy watching them. Makes no sense.

 

You have yet to explain why you're lobbying so hard to promote the new schedule even go so far as to denigrate the PGA Championship. Do tell.

[LICC]

> @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > @LICC said:

> > > @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > > Yes August was better. The only pro golf remaining this year is largely contrived pap.

> >

> > No one has adequately explained this thinking. The top players all playing for top prizes, on generally terrific courses. But since you can’t read in the news that these are called majors, you can’t enjoy watching them. Makes no sense.

>

> You have yet to explain why you're lobbying so hard to promote the new schedule even go so far as to denigrate the PGA Championship. Do tell.

 

Lobbying? It's my opinion. You can “lobby” yours. This is a golf discussion forum. It’s kind of the point for people to discuss their opinions on golf topics.

 

And I’m not denigrating the PGA Championship. I’m happy it moved to May to give it more stature.

[ray9898]

The new schedule is fine. Drama queens are going to drama queen though and pretend it is the end of golf as we know it.

[BlackDiamondPar5]

> @LICC said:

> > @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > > @LICC said:

> > > > @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > > > Yes August was better. The only pro golf remaining this year is largely contrived pap.

> > >

> > > No one has adequately explained this thinking. The top players all playing for top prizes, on generally terrific courses. But since you can’t read in the news that these are called majors, you can’t enjoy watching them. Makes no sense.

> >

> > You have yet to explain why you're lobbying so hard to promote the new schedule even go so far as to denigrate the PGA Championship. Do tell.

>

> Lobbying? It's my opinion. You can “lobby” yours. This is a golf discussion forum. It’s kind of the point for people to discuss their opinions on golf topics.

>

> And I’m not denigrating the PGA Championship. I’m happy it moved to May to give it more stature.

 

Agreed its a message board where things get discussed and people express opinions. The part that's broken is that you only seem to challenge or disregard the opinions of others contrary to yours rather than make statements to support your own. You've gone as far as to start a thread questioning why the PGA Championship is even a major. So is your denigrating the PGA Championship done to convince us that these other events in Augusta are better? Seems like lobbying to me.

[JAMH03]

> @SCalGolfer said:

> Do you wish the PGA was in August? There are no more majors until April. There is no Ryder Cup or important tournaments for eight months. It is what it is. I don't see them moving it back.

 

Not at all.

[Hankshank]

Were there any real disadvantages with pga in august, apart from the fact that some years get jammed with big tournaments in the fall?

 

But what I really can regret this year is, From september to february, from East lake until Mexico, Five months, there will no tournament ”where all the big names meet”. But in the period of march to august, each and every week is like that. Guess there is some commercial reason for that.

[LICC]

> @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > @LICC said:

> > > @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > > > @LICC said:

> > > > > @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > > > > Yes August was better. The only pro golf remaining this year is largely contrived pap.

> > > >

> > > > No one has adequately explained this thinking. The top players all playing for top prizes, on generally terrific courses. But since you can’t read in the news that these are called majors, you can’t enjoy watching them. Makes no sense.

> > >

> > > You have yet to explain why you're lobbying so hard to promote the new schedule even go so far as to denigrate the PGA Championship. Do tell.

> >

> > Lobbying? It's my opinion. You can “lobby” yours. This is a golf discussion forum. It’s kind of the point for people to discuss their opinions on golf topics.

> >

> > And I’m not denigrating the PGA Championship. I’m happy it moved to May to give it more stature.

>

> Agreed its a message board where things get discussed and people express opinions. The part that's broken is that you only seem to challenge or disregard the opinions of others contrary to yours rather than make statements to support your own. You've gone as far as to start a thread questioning why the PGA Championship is even a major. So is your denigrating the PGA Championship done to convince us that these other events in Augusta are better? Seems like lobbying to me.

 

Why would anyone challenge an opinion they agree with? And I give reasons and factual support for my positions.

 

I’m not denigrating the PGA Championship. But you are denigrating the Northern Trust and the BMW. Why is that? These are good tournaments with long histories, with the top players, on good courses and are fun to watch. Why are you insulting and dismissing them?

[bladehunter]

> @LICC said:

> > @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > Yes August was better. The only pro golf remaining this year is largely contrived pap.

>

> No one has adequately explained this thinking. The top players all playing for top prizes, on generally terrific courses. But since you can’t read in the news that these are called majors, you can’t enjoy watching them. Makes no sense.

 

It’s a handicapped sequence of events. And it starts on a po-dunk TPC course in Memphis. It’s going to be hard to stay interested unless someone big gets out front. Even then depends who.

 

The fallout has already begun by the way. Sunday open ratings down 42% this year. People won’t watch just because golf is on. It has to be the right names and actual competition. Giving Bruce 6 shots on a Sunday isn’t going to draw viewers. It’s going to increase rounds played at local courses.

[BlackDiamondPar5]

> @LICC said:

> > @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > > @LICC said:

> > > > @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > > > > @LICC said:

> > > > > > @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > > > > > Yes August was better. The only pro golf remaining this year is largely contrived pap.

> > > > >

> > > > > No one has adequately explained this thinking. The top players all playing for top prizes, on generally terrific courses. But since you can’t read in the news that these are called majors, you can’t enjoy watching them. Makes no sense.

> > > >

> > > > You have yet to explain why you're lobbying so hard to promote the new schedule even go so far as to denigrate the PGA Championship. Do tell.

> > >

> > > Lobbying? It's my opinion. You can “lobby” yours. This is a golf discussion forum. It’s kind of the point for people to discuss their opinions on golf topics.

> > >

> > > And I’m not denigrating the PGA Championship. I’m happy it moved to May to give it more stature.

> >

> > Agreed its a message board where things get discussed and people express opinions. The part that's broken is that you only seem to challenge or disregard the opinions of others contrary to yours rather than make statements to support your own. You've gone as far as to start a thread questioning why the PGA Championship is even a major. So is your denigrating the PGA Championship done to convince us that these other events in Augusta are better? Seems like lobbying to me.

>

> Why would anyone challenge an opinion they agree with? And I give reasons and factual support for my positions.

>

> I’m not denigrating the PGA Championship. But you are denigrating the Northern Trust and the BMW. Why is that? These are good tournaments with long histories, with the top players, on good courses and are fun to watch. Why are you insulting and dismissing them?

 

You've been light to non existent on details as to why you are touting the new schedule as good and actively lobbying.

You started a thread questioning whether the PGA Championship should be a major--- That's denigration.

I never said that the BMW and NT etc aren't could tournaments, just that it's nonsense to put them on the same level as a major. So stop with that nonsense.

 

 

[LICC]

> @bladehunter said:

> > @LICC said:

> > > @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > > Yes August was better. The only pro golf remaining this year is largely contrived pap.

> >

> > No one has adequately explained this thinking. The top players all playing for top prizes, on generally terrific courses. But since you can’t read in the news that these are called majors, you can’t enjoy watching them. Makes no sense.

>

> It’s a handicapped sequence of events. And it starts on a po-dunk TPC course in Memphis. It’s going to be hard to stay interested unless someone big gets out front. Even then depends who.

>

> The fallout has already begun by the way. Sunday open ratings down 42% this year. People won’t watch just because golf is on. It has to be the right names and actual competition. Giving Bruce 6 shots on a Sunday isn’t going to draw viewers. It’s going to increase rounds played at local courses.

 

The Open is in the same calendar spot it has been. Ratings were probably more affected by Tiger having been in the hunt last year and out of it this year than anything else.

[LICC]

 

> @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > @LICC said:

> > > @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > > > @LICC said:

> > > > > @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > > > > > @LICC said:

> > > > > > > @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > > > > > > Yes August was better. The only pro golf remaining this year is largely contrived pap.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > No one has adequately explained this thinking. The top players all playing for top prizes, on generally terrific courses. But since you can’t read in the news that these are called majors, you can’t enjoy watching them. Makes no sense.

> > > > >

> > > > > You have yet to explain why you're lobbying so hard to promote the new schedule even go so far as to denigrate the PGA Championship. Do tell.

> > > >

> > > > Lobbying? It's my opinion. You can “lobby” yours. This is a golf discussion forum. It’s kind of the point for people to discuss their opinions on golf topics.

> > > >

> > > > And I’m not denigrating the PGA Championship. I’m happy it moved to May to give it more stature.

> > >

> > > Agreed its a message board where things get discussed and people express opinions. The part that's broken is that you only seem to challenge or disregard the opinions of others contrary to yours rather than make statements to support your own. You've gone as far as to start a thread questioning why the PGA Championship is even a major. So is your denigrating the PGA Championship done to convince us that these other events in Augusta are better? Seems like lobbying to me.

> >

> > Why would anyone challenge an opinion they agree with? And I give reasons and factual support for my positions.

> >

> > I’m not denigrating the PGA Championship. But you are denigrating the Northern Trust and the BMW. Why is that? These are good tournaments with long histories, with the top players, on good courses and are fun to watch. Why are you insulting and dismissing them?

>

> You've been light to non existent on details as to why you are touting the new schedule as good and actively lobbying.

> You started a thread questioning whether the PGA Championship should be a major--- That's denigration.

> I never said that the BMW and NT etc aren't could tournaments, just that it's nonsense to put them on the same level as a major. So stop with that nonsense.

>

>

Your exact words: “The only pro golf remaining this year is largely contrived pap.”

 

The NT and BMW are remaining pro golf tournaments this year. Your statement clearly denigrates them.

[CAT GOLFER]

It would be nice to see a larger buffer in between sets of majors, maybe try masters and PGA closer to open a break between a later US open and Open championship. But in the end, I agree with above, head to head with football is not a good advertising position to be in, fewer eyeballs now to watch.

[BlackDiamondPar5]

> @LICC said:

>

> > @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > > @LICC said:

> > > > @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > > > > @LICC said:

> > > > > > @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > > > > > > @LICC said:

> > > > > > > > @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > > > > > > > Yes August was better. The only pro golf remaining this year is largely contrived pap.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > No one has adequately explained this thinking. The top players all playing for top prizes, on generally terrific courses. But since you can’t read in the news that these are called majors, you can’t enjoy watching them. Makes no sense.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You have yet to explain why you're lobbying so hard to promote the new schedule even go so far as to denigrate the PGA Championship. Do tell.

> > > > >

> > > > > Lobbying? It's my opinion. You can “lobby” yours. This is a golf discussion forum. It’s kind of the point for people to discuss their opinions on golf topics.

> > > > >

> > > > > And I’m not denigrating the PGA Championship. I’m happy it moved to May to give it more stature.

> > > >

> > > > Agreed its a message board where things get discussed and people express opinions. The part that's broken is that you only seem to challenge or disregard the opinions of others contrary to yours rather than make statements to support your own. You've gone as far as to start a thread questioning why the PGA Championship is even a major. So is your denigrating the PGA Championship done to convince us that these other events in Augusta are better? Seems like lobbying to me.

> > >

> > > Why would anyone challenge an opinion they agree with? And I give reasons and factual support for my positions.

> > >

> > > I’m not denigrating the PGA Championship. But you are denigrating the Northern Trust and the BMW. Why is that? These are good tournaments with long histories, with the top players, on good courses and are fun to watch. Why are you insulting and dismissing them?

> >

> > You've been light to non existent on details as to why you are touting the new schedule as good and actively lobbying.

> > You started a thread questioning whether the PGA Championship should be a major--- That's denigration.

> > I never said that the BMW and NT etc aren't could tournaments, just that it's nonsense to put them on the same level as a major. So stop with that nonsense.

> >

> >

> Your exact words: “The only pro golf remaining this year is largely contrived pap.”

>

> The NT and BMW are remaining pro golf tournaments this year. Your statement clearly denigrates them.

 

Contrived pap as compared to a major and those selling it like it's a major, you included. It's like telling someone they're going get a prime beef dinner and serving a hot dog. Hot dogs are good but they aren't prime beef. But you called out the PGA questioning whether it should be a major. Backup your words or you're just trolling.

[golfortennis]

> @Hankshank said:

> Were there any real disadvantages with pga in august, apart from the fact that some years get jammed with big tournaments in the fall?

>

> But what I really can regret this year is, From september to february, from East lake until Mexico, Five months, **there will no tournament ”where all the big names meet”**. But in the period of march to august, each and every week is like that. Guess there is some commercial reason for that.

 

Frankly, that is what has been the problem in all of this. In the push to make money, the idea was "all the big names meet" more often. Except when they do it all the time, guess what, it doesn't mean as much, because there is another one next week. Just like no one cares who wins a division in baseball anymore, or no one ever cared who won one in football. More bucks for someone body on one hand, but it waters down the product long term, and then the piper must be paid. The WGC's, except for the match play, need to go. They've bastardized the schedule, are very PGA Tour-centric, and close shop even more(no cut and ranking points just because you got into it).

 

And don't get me started on the "playoffs." NASCAR was the inspiration for this idea. How are they doing now?

[bladehunter]

> @Bluefan75 said:

> > @Hankshank said:

> > Were there any real disadvantages with pga in august, apart from the fact that some years get jammed with big tournaments in the fall?

> >

> > But what I really can regret this year is, From september to february, from East lake until Mexico, Five months, **there will no tournament ”where all the big names meet”**. But in the period of march to august, each and every week is like that. Guess there is some commercial reason for that.

>

> Frankly, that is what has been the problem in all of this. In the push to make money, the idea was "all the big names meet" more often. Except when they do it all the time, guess what, it doesn't mean as much, because there is another one next week. Just like no one cares who wins a division in baseball anymore, or no one ever cared who won one in football. More bucks for someone body on one hand, but it waters down the product long term, and then the piper must be paid. The WGC's, except for the match play, need to go. They've bastardized the schedule, are very PGA Tour-centric, and close shop even more(no cut and ranking points just because you got into it).

>

> And don't get me started on the "playoffs." NASCAR was the inspiration for this idea. How are they doing now?

 

Absolutely. Following the nascar and pro wrestling pathway is a pure mistake. You lose your base and gain the dregs who are fair weather watchers .

[smashdn]

So I just checked the PGA Tour schedule as I posted I wasn't sure where the tournament the week after was being held. Does the season really end at the end of August? That is freaking absurd!

 

There really needs to be a tournament somewhere in the mid-west or northeast that takes advantage of the cool season grasses and the leaves changing. Can you imagine that visual on tv? Tour players in light jackets and 1/4 zips, maybe a boggin hat here and there playing on a verdant green course with the trees on fire on crisp morning or afternoon.

[bladehunter]

> @smashdn said:

> So I just checked the PGA Tour schedule as I posted I wasn't sure where the tournament the week after was being held. Does the season really end at the end of August? That is freaking absurd!

>

> There really needs to be a tournament somewhere in the mid-west or northeast that takes advantage of the cool season grasses and the leaves changing. Can you imagine that visual on tv? Tour players in light jackets and 1/4 zips, maybe a boggin hat here and there playing on a verdant green course with the trees on fire on crisp morning or afternoon.

 

The excuse is “ but football”. As if all golf fans watch football.

[BlackDiamondPar5]

> @bladehunter said:

> > @smashdn said:

> > So I just checked the PGA Tour schedule as I posted I wasn't sure where the tournament the week after was being held. Does the season really end at the end of August? That is freaking absurd!

> >

> > There really needs to be a tournament somewhere in the mid-west or northeast that takes advantage of the cool season grasses and the leaves changing. Can you imagine that visual on tv? Tour players in light jackets and 1/4 zips, maybe a boggin hat here and there playing on a verdant green course with the trees on fire on crisp morning or afternoon.

>

> The excuse is “ but football”. As if all golf fans watch football.

 

Problem for golf is that too many watch football. Additionally the US golf broadcasts have really become annoying to watch. Too many commercials and too many broadcast personalities babbling nothing. I'd suggest that rather than compress the whole seasons schedule like they have, I'd suggest reduce the season (sometimes less is more). Also don't go up against the NFL and maybe have fall golf tournaments Wednesday - Saturday. Sadly the focus TV money is degrading the product.

 

[ScottJN]

I like it in August more. Gives more time for storylines to develop.

[gvogel]

I wish the US Open was in late August as the culminating event of the year.

 

To heck with the Fed-X Cup.

[dlygrisse]

yes

 

[irvnasty]

I think it's been great for my interest in the PGA Championship itself, it may end up being great for my interest in the Tour Championship to have it not compete with football, and, given that I quite like the Players Championship, it doesn't actually change the time from last big event to first for me.

So I don't mind it too much, although I think it's squeezing out some of the in between events, and the Tour could use shuffling some stuff around or adding an additional week of space between the majors. But generally, I don't think it's bad.

 

On a different subject, I don't like criticism of the handicapped Tour Championship. I've been waiting all season to see if Smylie Kaufman or Steven Bowditch will win the C-flight.

[BlackDiamondPar5]

Jack Nicklaus is voting for August...

- "I don't like the new Major schedule, from the stand point that if you have an injury, or if you're struggling with one tournament, all of a sudden the other one follows too closely, to get it back," 18-time Major winner Jack Nicklaus told BBC Radio 5 Live."

- "I'm not sure that that's really a good thing for the game of golf, to have all your tournaments in about three and a half months. And I don't think it's good for the other tournaments on the Tour.

- "The guys have got to skip a lot of tournaments - you saw that this year - guys weren't playing in between Majors. And I think that's a shame for the Tour."

- "I know that the all-mighty dollar is important, but I don't think it's so important that you really lose out on the tradition of the great tournaments that have been played for years and years and years."

[Choclab]

> @smashdn said:

> Flow is good. Rhythm is good. This season has had neither. Felt like a sprint. Like we were rushing golf through instead of taking the time to build anticipation and enjoy the tournaments along the way.

> I like the defined "swings." The West Coast/Early Season swing, the Florida Swing, the Texas Swing, the East Coast Swing. I think this makes it easier for the players to play more events because the travel is less demanding and it really makes it seem like a Tour of tournaments, not just random tournaments sprinkled about.

 

Well said.