Rose: 4 Majors in 4 months is bad for golf.

[MountainGoat]

No one will care about any of this when football begins.

[BlackDiamondPar5]

> @LICC said:

> > @jimb6golf said:

> > Tend to agree with Rose's assessment. Now that The Open is over there's little to look forward to until next season, other than the FedEx Cup which is ok but not great. And I really hate the condensed schedule because it eliminated the Dell/ EMC tournament at TPC Boston (which I attended every year). We're not even at the end of July and the season is basically over. Too condensed.

>

> How is the season basically over? All the top players will be competing at good events through August.

 

These so-called "Good Events" don't compare to a major. The season is essentially over.

[JaNelson38]

> @jimb6golf said:

> Tend to agree with Rose's assessment. Now that The Open is over there's little to look forward to until next season, other than the FedEx Cup which is ok but not great. And I really hate the condensed schedule because it eliminated the Dell/ EMC tournament at TPC Boston (which I attended every year). We're not even at the end of July and the season is basically over. Too condensed.

 

There's almost $50 million in prize money up for grabs in the final 5 events of the season. If that's not enough to entice some of these players to play, then these guys are making too much money on Tour.

 

I get that these guys build their schedules around the majors, but calling 4 majors in 4 months "too much" is unbelievably weak and soft. Especially coming from Rose, who's played a whopping 6 tournaments since the Masters.

 

Its fair to assess that these guys have it too good on Tour right now.

 

 

[johnnypro]

> @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > @LICC said:

> > > @jimb6golf said:

> > > Tend to agree with Rose's assessment. Now that The Open is over there's little to look forward to until next season, other than the FedEx Cup which is ok but not great. And I really hate the condensed schedule because it eliminated the Dell/ EMC tournament at TPC Boston (which I attended every year). We're not even at the end of July and the season is basically over. Too condensed.

> >

> > How is the season basically over? All the top players will be competing at good events through August.

>

> These so-called "Good Events" don't compare to a major. The season is essentially over.

Totally agree. Here it is July 22nd and I feel like the season is over.

Those "good events"? Unless it's a Ryder Cup year, no one cares. Or, not to exaggerate, not many people care.

Like I said, it's all about the dollars. Finish the FedEx Cup in August and don't go up against football.

One year they're gonna get burned by playing the PGA in the Northeast in May. I guarantee it.

 

 

[juliette91]

> @dcmidnight said:

> Honestly I thought he sounded like a big complainer for absolutely no reason, sounded like he was trying to throw shade at the FedEx Cup. Sorry man, how did your $10M check do, did it deposit OK? Honestly I dont know what he is whining about. The last three majors of the year have ALWAYS been a month apart. So instead of being June/July/August they are now May/June/July. Shut up already.

 

Disagree. of course you feel how you feel and no one can argue with you about how you feel. but always good to throw in some facts to consider, or at least consensus opinion. Rose is well known as not someone who complains, as someone who speaks intelligently and sincerely on issues. To say he can't really state his feelings or to attack his feelings based upon sarcasm about how much money he made on the fed ex cup doesn't add up. I mean why would someone who has benefitted so greatly from the Fedex cup lower its importance to players. that sounds like speaking up against financial interests and usually it's follow the money when you want some truth.

 

[grm24]

> @Titleist99 said:

> > @grm24 said:

> > > @JD3 said:

> > > > @Lamb said:

> > > > Rose 100% correct. Utter joke - no one cares about the fake cup event.

> > >

> > > Players do, $10 million is still a lot to any of them. It's "the players" itself we can do away with. How about moving masters back to march

> >

> > Starting this year the FEC total prize pool doubles to $70 million and will pay $15 million to the winner of the FEC. The date of The Masters isn't going anywhere.

>

> Pga Tour will never get rid of the Players Championship.

 

Where did I say The PGA Tour would get rid of The Players?

 

[Titleist99]

> @grm24 said:

> > @Titleist99 said:

> > > @grm24 said:

> > > > @JD3 said:

> > > > > @Lamb said:

> > > > > Rose 100% correct. Utter joke - no one cares about the fake cup event.

> > > >

> > > > Players do, $10 million is still a lot to any of them. It's "the players" itself we can do away with. How about moving masters back to march

> > >

> > > Starting this year the FEC total prize pool doubles to $70 million and will pay $15 million to the winner of the FEC. The date of The Masters isn't going anywhere.

> >

> > Pga Tour will never get rid of the Players Championship.

>

> Where did I say The PGA Tour would get rid of The Players?

>

 

You didn't say that. I was replying to JDB. Your comment was that the Masters wasn't going anywhere.....and I totally agree with that.

[grm24]

> @Titleist99 said:

> > @grm24 said:

> > > @Titleist99 said:

> > > > @grm24 said:

> > > > > @JD3 said:

> > > > > > @Lamb said:

> > > > > > Rose 100% correct. Utter joke - no one cares about the fake cup event.

> > > > >

> > > > > Players do, $10 million is still a lot to any of them. It's "the players" itself we can do away with. How about moving masters back to march

> > > >

> > > > Starting this year the FEC total prize pool doubles to $70 million and will pay $15 million to the winner of the FEC. The date of The Masters isn't going anywhere.

> > >

> > > Pga Tour will never get rid of the Players Championship.

> >

> > Where did I say The PGA Tour would get rid of The Players?

> >

>

> You didn't say that. I was replying to JDB. Your comment was that the Masters wasn't going anywhere.....and I totally agree with that.

 

Ok. Appears you replied to the wrong post as your reply quoted above was directed to me. All good.

[juliette91]

how do you reply now to a specific post other than quoting it in the "Leave a Comment" box?

[idrive]

They should just play them in four consecutive weeks starting with the Masters. Lets just get them out of the way and then just cancel the rest of these meaningless tournaments.

[OldTomMorris]

Jack Nicklaus is now on the record as not liking the new major schedule.

[wkuo3]

He really meant, the schedule is not "good for him" as heath issue had been .

Golf is a seasonal sport in most of the locations. Maybe he could ask God to change the climate to suit him ?

Wait, the change is already in process.

[Darth Putter]

> @OldTomMorris said:

> Jack Nicklaus is now on the record as not liking the new major schedule.

 

Jack talked to the BBC

https://www.golf-monthly.co.uk/news/tour-news/jack-nicklaus-i-dont-like-the-new-major-schedule-183664

 

And this is a man that won a PGA in February.

[Titleist99]

> @"Darth Putter" said:

> > @OldTomMorris said:

> > Jack Nicklaus is now on the record as not liking the new major schedule.

>

> Jack talked to the BBC

> https://www.golf-monthly.co.uk/news/tour-news/jack-nicklaus-i-dont-like-the-new-major-schedule-183664

>

> And this is a man that won a PGA in February.

 

Spoken like a man that thinks a player is only judged by his major tournament wins.....Half the Tour won't qualify for the majors...LOL!

[OldTomMorris]

> @Titleist99 said:

> > @"Darth Putter" said:

> > > @OldTomMorris said:

> > > Jack Nicklaus is now on the record as not liking the new major schedule.

> >

> > Jack talked to the BBC

> > https://www.golf-monthly.co.uk/news/tour-news/jack-nicklaus-i-dont-like-the-new-major-schedule-183664

> >

> > And this is a man that won a PGA in February.

>

> Spoken like a man that thinks a player is only judged by his major tournament wins.....Half the Tour won't qualify for the majors...LOL!

 

I don't think anyone has ever said its the only way to judge a player but it's the measurement everyone talks about just look the discussions on here: "Best player without a major", "Best player with one major", "How many majors will player X win", "Who wins more majors, player X or player Y" etc. Its the way players from a different era can be compared and its the most common yardstick for measuring the success of the very bast players in the game,

[xxio]

Just too many tournaments all in all. Wrap around season as well.

 

I'll play devil's advocate, they should lower the minimum number of events to keep your card.

 

There are enough 2nd Tier stars to keep Waste Mgt, John Deere, etc interesting.

 

All the major stars can focus on their major prep for those 120 days.

[TMoakley1547]

> @johnnypro said:

> > @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > > @LICC said:

> > > > @jimb6golf said:

> > > > Tend to agree with Rose's assessment. Now that The Open is over there's little to look forward to until next season, other than the FedEx Cup which is ok but not great. And I really hate the condensed schedule because it eliminated the Dell/ EMC tournament at TPC Boston (which I attended every year). We're not even at the end of July and the season is basically over. Too condensed.

> > >

> > > How is the season basically over? All the top players will be competing at good events through August.

> >

> > These so-called "Good Events" don't compare to a major. The season is essentially over.

> Totally agree. Here it is July 22nd and I feel like the season is over.

> Those "good events"? Unless it's a Ryder Cup year, no one cares. Or, not to exaggerate, not many people care.

> Like I said, it's all about the dollars. Finish the FedEx Cup in August and don't go up against football.

> **One year they're gonna get burned by playing the PGA in the Northeast in May. I guarantee it.**

>

>

 

And four of the next 10 PGA's are in either New Jersey, New York, or Pennsylvania.

[Titleist99]

> @xxio said:

> Just too many tournaments all in all. Wrap around season as well.

>

> I'll play devil's advocate, they should lower the minimum number of events to keep your card.

>

> There are enough 2nd Tier stars to keep Waste Mgt, John Deere, etc interesting.

>

> All the major stars can focus on their major prep for those 120 days.

 

Yep, …...close to 300 tour member and only about 20 build their schedule and total existence around the majors. The rest is just trying to keep their card or make a living...

[KRAMER1997]

Players supported the PGA moving to May a few years ago, I wonder what changed. I agree from a fans standpoint the rest of the season is kind of mundane.

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/the-pga-championship-is-moving-to-may-and-players-are-on-board

[juliette91]

"Players supported the PGA moving to May a few years ago, I wonder what changed. I agree from a fans standpoint the rest of the season is kind of mundane."

 

And like Rory said today (I think it was today?) if media only emphasizes majors majors majors then the other 48 weekly tournaments (or close to that number) become worse than second class citizens, they become irrelevant for the most part until their points awards are important--at year's end.

 

[grm24]

> @juliette91 said:

> And like Rory said today (I think it was today?) **if media only emphasizes majors majors majors then the other 48 weekly tournaments (or close to that number) become worse than second class citizens,**

>

It's not just the media that over emphasizes the majors over every other tour event. It happens here and other golf forums all the time. Nothing matters but majors many people here and other places preach. Golf is all about the majors blah blah blah. Doesn't matter if you win 5 other tournaments. If it's not a major it doesn't matter. Then what happens when a player like Brooks starts winning nothing but majors? You get some of the same people whining that he needs to win more regular tour events. Can't have it both ways.

 

[LICC]

> @grm24 said:

> > @juliette91 said:

> > And like Rory said today (I think it was today?) **if media only emphasizes majors majors majors then the other 48 weekly tournaments (or close to that number) become worse than second class citizens,**

> >

> It's not just the media that over emphasizes the majors over every other tour event. It happens here and other golf forums all the time. Nothing matters but majors many people here and other places preach. Golf is all about the majors blah blah blah. Doesn't matter if you win 5 other tournaments. If it's not a major it doesn't matter. Then what happens when a player like Brooks starts winning nothing but majors? You get some of the same people whining that he needs to win more regular tour events. Can't have it both ways.

>

There are some posters here who are way too fascinated with majors and too dismissive of other tournaments. I get no greater excitement watching the PGA Championship than the Players or the FedEx playoffs. Those that do can’t explain any reason other than they are told the PGA is a major.

 

"If the narrative becomes that the majors are the only important thing in golf, then that’s dangerous because are fans not going to care for the other 48 weeks of the year?" - Rory McIlroy

[OldTomMorris]

> @LICC said:

> > @grm24 said:

> > > @juliette91 said:

> > > And like Rory said today (I think it was today?) **if media only emphasizes majors majors majors then the other 48 weekly tournaments (or close to that number) become worse than second class citizens,**

> > >

> > It's not just the media that over emphasizes the majors over every other tour event. It happens here and other golf forums all the time. Nothing matters but majors many people here and other places preach. Golf is all about the majors blah blah blah. Doesn't matter if you win 5 other tournaments. If it's not a major it doesn't matter. Then what happens when a player like Brooks starts winning nothing but majors? You get some of the same people whining that he needs to win more regular tour events. Can't have it both ways.

> >

> There are some posters here who are way too fascinated with majors and too dismissive of other tournaments. I get no greater excitement watching the PGA Championship than the Players or the FedEx playoffs. Those that do can’t explain any reason other than they are told the PGA is a major.

>

> "If the narrative becomes that the majors are the only important thing in golf, then that’s dangerous because are fans not going to care for the other 48 weeks of the year?" - Rory McIlroy

 

I agree, I really enjoy watching many other tournaments just as much as say the US Open and PGA. I watch at least some part of every tournament I can.

[https://golfchannel.com/news/rory-mcilroy-defends-his-2019-performance-questions-golfs-new-major-calendar](https://www.golfchannel.com/news/rory-mcilroy-defends-his-2019-performance-questions-golfs-new-major-calendar "https://golfchannel.com/news/rory-mcilroy-defends-his-2019-performance-questions-golfs-new-major-calendar")

 

The PGA Tour are desperate to get the new schedule locked down into the forthcoming TV deal. It's basically the last big deal with Tiger.

[https://geoffshackelford.com/homepage/2019/8/28/add-rory-to-the-list-of-players-not-liking-the-new-major-championship-pacing](https://www.geoffshackelford.com/homepage/2019/8/28/add-rory-to-the-list-of-players-not-liking-the-new-major-championship-pacing "https://geoffshackelford.com/homepage/2019/8/28/add-rory-to-the-list-of-players-not-liking-the-new-major-championship-pacing")

[Gautama]

To me the FedEx Cup has always felt like a 90s silly season event on steroids. (Mostly because it is, lol)

[widow-maker]

> @juliette91 said:

> "Players supported the PGA moving to May a few years ago, I wonder what changed. I agree from a fans standpoint the rest of the season is kind of mundane."

>

> And like Rory said today (I think it was today?) if media only emphasizes majors majors majors then the other 48 weekly tournaments (or close to that number) become worse than second class citizens, they become irrelevant for the most part until their points awards are important--at year's end.

>

 

Rory is also the same guy that decided not to play Euro Tour events this year so that he could stay in the US and properly prepare for the bigger events. He's just as guilty as the rest of the top players who build their schedules around the Majors. I didn't see him skipping the US Open or the Open Championship so that he could play in Detroit or Minneapolis. The media is taking their cue from the actions of the players, not the other way around.

[GoGoErky]

> @xxio said:

> Just too many tournaments all in all. Wrap around season as well.

>

> I'll play devil's advocate, they should lower the minimum number of events to keep your card.

>

> There are enough 2nd Tier stars to keep Waste Mgt, John Deere, etc interesting.

>

> All the major stars can focus on their major prep for those 120 days.

 

The minimum is 15 starts unless a player doesn’t add a new event to their schedule then it’s 25. There’s 40 some tournaments to choose from it isn’t that hard to only play in 15.

[ExTrumpet]

I like it. Rose is wrong. The important part of the season is now outside of all college football games.

[OrangeGravy]

> @LICC said:

> > @grm24 said:

> > > @juliette91 said:

> > > And like Rory said today (I think it was today?) **if media only emphasizes majors majors majors then the other 48 weekly tournaments (or close to that number) become worse than second class citizens,**

> > >

> > It's not just the media that over emphasizes the majors over every other tour event. It happens here and other golf forums all the time. Nothing matters but majors many people here and other places preach. Golf is all about the majors blah blah blah. Doesn't matter if you win 5 other tournaments. If it's not a major it doesn't matter. Then what happens when a player like Brooks starts winning nothing but majors? You get some of the same people whining that he needs to win more regular tour events. Can't have it both ways.

> >

> There are some posters here who are way too fascinated with majors and too dismissive of other tournaments. I get no greater excitement watching the PGA Championship than the Players or the FedEx playoffs. Those that do can’t explain any reason other than they are told the PGA is a major.

>

> "If the narrative becomes that the majors are the only important thing in golf, then that’s dangerous because are fans not going to care for the other 48 weeks of the year?" - Rory McIlroy

 

Too me, the majors are a better watch because everything is more intense from hole 1 of the tournament. There are so many "regular" tournaments that they come off more casual to the viewer. The pressure of tournament golf doesn't translate through the screen like it does in the majors. There's always next week if you don't play well in a particular tournament. There are only 4 so called majors and you can feel the sense of urgency from the players while watching it. If they dropped 10-15 tournaments off the schedule ( I know it wouldn't make sense financially ), each "regular" tournament would mean that much more to all the players. There are so many tournaments now that a lot of golf fans just passively check in on regular tournaments if they have nothing else going on. There's always another tournament next week. Only special circumstances push a tournament into must watch territory. Look at baseball. I love baseball, but there's 162 games. I'm not watching anything on tv until September. I love golf, but I'd rather play it than watch a regular tournament. What makes football king, both college and NFL, is the number of games. There are so few that each one feels like life or death for the season. Any sport that goes over the sweet spot for number of events, pushes the majority of viewing fans to the more important events leaving only the most hardcore fans to watch the regular events.

[LICC]

> @OrangeGravy said:

> > @LICC said:

> > > @grm24 said:

> > > > @juliette91 said:

> > > > And like Rory said today (I think it was today?) **if media only emphasizes majors majors majors then the other 48 weekly tournaments (or close to that number) become worse than second class citizens,**

> > > >

> > > It's not just the media that over emphasizes the majors over every other tour event. It happens here and other golf forums all the time. Nothing matters but majors many people here and other places preach. Golf is all about the majors blah blah blah. Doesn't matter if you win 5 other tournaments. If it's not a major it doesn't matter. Then what happens when a player like Brooks starts winning nothing but majors? You get some of the same people whining that he needs to win more regular tour events. Can't have it both ways.

> > >

> > There are some posters here who are way too fascinated with majors and too dismissive of other tournaments. I get no greater excitement watching the PGA Championship than the Players or the FedEx playoffs. Those that do can’t explain any reason other than they are told the PGA is a major.

> >

> > "If the narrative becomes that the majors are the only important thing in golf, then that’s dangerous because are fans not going to care for the other 48 weeks of the year?" - Rory McIlroy

>

> Too me, the majors are a better watch because everything is more intense from hole 1 of the tournament. There are so many "regular" tournaments that they come off more casual to the viewer. The pressure of tournament golf doesn't translate through the screen like it does in the majors. There's always next week if you don't play well in a particular tournament. There are only 4 so called majors and you can feel the sense of urgency from the players while watching it. If they dropped 10-15 tournaments off the schedule ( I know it wouldn't make sense financially ), each "regular" tournament would mean that much more to all the players. There are so many tournaments now that a lot of golf fans just passively check in on regular tournaments if they have nothing else going on. There's always another tournament next week. Only special circumstances push a tournament into must watch territory. Look at baseball. I love baseball, but there's 162 games. I'm not watching anything on tv until September. I love golf, but I'd rather play it than watch a regular tournament. What makes football king, both college and NFL, is the number of games. There are so few that each one feels like life or death for the season. Any sport that goes over the sweet spot for number of events, pushes the majority of viewing fans to the more important events leaving only the most hardcore fans to watch the regular events.

 

That’s a bit of a straw man. No one said EVERY tournament is the same. I don’t see less intensity for the Players Championship or the FedEx events than for the PGA Championship.

[GoGoErky]

> @OrangeGravy said:

> > @LICC said:

> > > @grm24 said:

> > > > @juliette91 said:

> > > > And like Rory said today (I think it was today?) **if media only emphasizes majors majors majors then the other 48 weekly tournaments (or close to that number) become worse than second class citizens,**

> > > >

> > > It's not just the media that over emphasizes the majors over every other tour event. It happens here and other golf forums all the time. Nothing matters but majors many people here and other places preach. Golf is all about the majors blah blah blah. Doesn't matter if you win 5 other tournaments. If it's not a major it doesn't matter. Then what happens when a player like Brooks starts winning nothing but majors? You get some of the same people whining that he needs to win more regular tour events. Can't have it both ways.

> > >

> > There are some posters here who are way too fascinated with majors and too dismissive of other tournaments. I get no greater excitement watching the PGA Championship than the Players or the FedEx playoffs. Those that do can’t explain any reason other than they are told the PGA is a major.

> >

> > "If the narrative becomes that the majors are the only important thing in golf, then that’s dangerous because are fans not going to care for the other 48 weeks of the year?" - Rory McIlroy

>

> Too me, the majors are a better watch because everything is more intense from hole 1 of the tournament. There are so many "regular" tournaments that they come off more casual to the viewer. The pressure of tournament golf doesn't translate through the screen like it does in the majors. There's always next week if you don't play well in a particular tournament. There are only 4 so called majors and you can feel the sense of urgency from the players while watching it. If they dropped 10-15 tournaments off the schedule ( I know it wouldn't make sense financially ), each "regular" tournament would mean that much more to all the players. There are so many tournaments now that a lot of golf fans just passively check in on regular tournaments if they have nothing else going on. There's always another tournament next week. Only special circumstances push a tournament into must watch territory. Look at baseball. I love baseball, but there's 162 games. I'm not watching anything on tv until September. I love golf, but I'd rather play it than watch a regular tournament. What makes football king, both college and NFL, is the number of games. There are so few that each one feels like life or death for the season. Any sport that goes over the sweet spot for number of events, pushes the majority of viewing fans to the more important events leaving only the most hardcore fans to watch the regular events.

 

I think you might be confusing the actions or reactions of the players Smith how the commentators are presenting the action. A regular event outside of the players, wgc maybe one or two others the commentators aren’t constantly reiterating the pressure or that it’s a major or this persons record and so on.

 

Do players grind more in bigger events of course but that’s as much about course setup as the situation. How many shots have we’ve seen players miss badly in regular events or short putts?