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> @ray9898 said:

> Off all the sports I follow, the golf board has the most whiners by far. It is pro golf, it takes a while, get over it.

 

And that probably also means that the golf board has more people whining about people that they think are whining. It is a forum for people to discuss things and give their opinions. And just because someone has a different opinion doesn't mean that they are whining.

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These guys play a different game, for higher stakes.

Ever watch an MLB game? Takes forever. End of an NBA game can make 2 minutes last for 30, same for NFL. Much more at stake for the pros.

 

Last few years, at the public courses I play, the rounds have been much shorter than 4 hours, most times they are close to 3. I play on weekend afternoons, usually tee off around 3 3:30.

 

Last week I played 9 holes in 1:15.

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> @Outlier said:

> > @golfandfishing said:

> > While I don’t disagree with either of your ultimate points, you arrive at them in a disingenuous fashion. You say the 40 second rule needs to be enforced, but at all times not just when on the clock. Well, that’s not the rule. You also say players are following Scott and Langer by anchoring putters to their chest. Well, they aren’t following either of those guys if they are anchoring, neither anchor.

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> Seriously? ....and so does Scott McCarron. That's what MY EYES tell me, and I happen to believe them. your results may vary, but the truth is they are cheating in "plain site".

 

So based on your eyes the rest of the field is compliant in their charting and are ok with losing money to cheaters.

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> @manku said:

> I like the slow play...it's nice seeing pros get steamy over waiting just like I do at my local muni sometimes!

> I don't find pace of play any worse than 30 years ago...if anything, it's better. Sure, there are the occasionally groups you want to nuke, but for the most part I'd say the POP issues are mainly related to competitive golf.

 

i disagree, but fail to see why people watching tv are irritated by slow play ... they don't show holmes or anyone else going over their entire preshot routine ... they cut to them once they feel they're ready to go, unless it's a tight race on the back 9 on sunday ... no one knows who's playing slow on tv unless announcers mention it ... but slow play for amateurs is pervasive ... might be two to a cart, might be folks trying to emulate what they think a pga tour player does ... but it's a 5 hour round that should take 3, or 3.5 at the most ...

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> @GoGoErky said:

> > @Outlier said:

> > > @golfandfishing said:

> > > While I don’t disagree with either of your ultimate points, you arrive at them in a disingenuous fashion. You say the 40 second rule needs to be enforced, but at all times not just when on the clock. Well, that’s not the rule. You also say players are following Scott and Langer by anchoring putters to their chest. Well, they aren’t following either of those guys if they are anchoring, neither anchor.

> >

> > Seriously? ....and so does Scott McCarron. That's what MY EYES tell me, and I happen to believe them. your results may vary, but the truth is they are cheating in "plain site".

>

> So based on your eyes the rest of the field is compliant in their charting and are ok with losing money to cheaters.

 

Just like with slow play, the other players (for the most part) don't want the onus to be on them to "call out" the culprits, they rather the "authorities" do it. There are exceptions- as we have witnessed recently with Brooks and others finally willing to go on record admonishing the tour to take some concrete action on slow play. Brandel Chamblee did "put his name on it" and specifically called out McCaron and Langer as you know. Chamblee intimated and I believe many others agree but don't want to go on the record.....and finally it seems pretty obvious that the tour is extremely homogeneous and very much like the fictional "**Lake Wobegone**, -where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children are above average." Nobody dares to rock the boat!

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> @"sui generis" said:

> > @2over said:

> > Watching the horror show of slow play that is J.B. Holmes caused this post. The rule that you have 40 seconds to play a shot needs to be enforced. Always. On everyone--and not just when a group is "out of position". They're all out of position because this rule is not enforced! A round of golf with professional players should not ever take longer than 3.5 hours--never, never, no, not ever, no, not once. Slow play is destroying golf, making it horrible to watch as well as play.

> > Also, many players are following Langer and Adam Scott in anchoring long putters to their chests. Several at the Open.

> > While I think the anchoring ban is a dumb rule and poorly written, failing to enforce it invites anarchy in the game. While I'd be OK with just removing the rule (better than having it and letting some players cheat), I think long putters are a bad look and remove an original core skill from the game (controlling the twitchy muscles in your hands/wrists), so my personal preference would be on re-writing the rule this way: "When making a stroke on the putting green, a player may only use the club in his/her bag with the shortest shaft." (this also should prevent chipping on the green; you're welcome :smile:

>

> Why does anyone care how that TV reality show called the PGA Tour conducts its business? Furthermore:

>

> a) Your statement that 40 seconds is a Rule is absolutely false.

> b) You are again completely wrong. Langer, Mc Carron, and Scott are compliant with Rule 10.

>

> Go away and talk about Ricky's white belts or something you could at least appear to have some knowledge of.

 

The dumb aspect is anyone who actually believes they anchor.

 

But the base problem was that Mike Davis and others focused on anchoring as the cheat, and very few people bothered to notice that non-anchored long putters work perfectly well. Virtually identical. I posted that here years before the rules change, after some experimentation both ways. It actually frees you up to give a more athletic pass, especially on midrange putts. Guys with legitimate yips will have somewhat more trouble on non-anchored short putts.

 

Mike Davis somehow thought he was removing the long putter. Meanwhile all he did was eliminate the belly putter in favor of the arm lock method.

 

Eventually more and more players will switch to the long putter. It is comical right now that only a handful of non-senior pros are using it. Throwing away money.

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> @2over said:

> Watching the horror show of slow play that is J.B. Holmes caused this post. The rule that you have 40 seconds to play a shot needs to be enforced. Always. On everyone--and not just when a group is "out of position". They're all out of position because this rule is not enforced! A round of golf with professional players should not ever take longer than 3.5 hours--never, never, no, not ever, no, not once. Slow play is destroying golf, making it horrible to watch as well as play.

> Also, many players are following Langer and Adam Scott in anchoring long putters to their chests. Several at the Open.

> While I think the anchoring ban is a dumb rule and poorly written, failing to enforce it invites anarchy in the game. While I'd be OK with just removing the rule (better than having it and letting some players cheat), I think long putters are a bad look and remove an original core skill from the game (controlling the twitchy muscles in your hands/wrists), so my personal preference would be on re-writing the rule this way: "When making a stroke on the putting green, a player may only use the club in his/her bag with the shortest shaft." (this also should prevent chipping on the green; you're welcome :smile:

 

Don't forget to throw in there that members on golf forums should at least think a little bit before starting ridiculous threads.

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I’ve always hated long putters and anchoring.

 

The problem is how to write the the rule. I never liked the current anti-anchoring rule and still don’t. I do like the idea of abandoning all attempts to ban the act of anchoring, and instead focusing on putter length. Are there golfers (for instance, with bad backs) who must have a putter of a certain length, even with a normal grip and stroke? How short can we make the limit? I saw a suggestion of 38”. What kind of anchoring can be done with a 38” putter? For a 5’4” LPGA player, that could be a belly putter, right?

 

I’m all in for a workable rule change. The problem is how to write the rule.

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Why the drama about the long putter and why does it really matter if it’s anchored or not?

 

They’re a pain in the arse to use and a last resort for people who can’t figure their brain out. I haven’t seen anyone light it up with a long putter and Langer’s Senior, sorry, Champion’s, Tour success isn’t because of that putter style. He’s not putting any better than he used to with a “regular” putter before his brain lost control of his brain.

 

Let them anchor. BFD

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> @"15th Club" said:

> I’ve always hated long putters and anchoring.

>

> The problem is how to write the the rule. I never liked the current anti-anchoring rule and still don’t. I do like the idea of abandoning all attempts to ban the act of anchoring, and instead focusing on putter length. Are there golfers (for instance, with bad backs) who must have a putter of a certain length, even with a normal grip and stroke? How short can we make the limit? I saw a suggestion of 38”. What kind of anchoring can be done with a 38” putter? For a 5’4” LPGA player, that could be a belly putter, right?

>

> I’m all in for a workable rule change. The problem is how to write the rule.

 

It burns me when I see Bernhard Langer or Scott McCarron make a whole bunch of putts with the cheater stick. I would re-write the rule to define a stroke that is "levered", that is, one in which one hand is stationary and the other contributes the stroke. And I would ban "levering" strokes, just as croquet strokes, pushes and drags are also banned.

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> @gvogel said:

> > @"15th Club" said:

> > I’ve always hated long putters and anchoring.

> >

> > The problem is how to write the the rule. I never liked the current anti-anchoring rule and still don’t. I do like the idea of abandoning all attempts to ban the act of anchoring, and instead focusing on putter length. Are there golfers (for instance, with bad backs) who must have a putter of a certain length, even with a normal grip and stroke? How short can we make the limit? I saw a suggestion of 38”. What kind of anchoring can be done with a 38” putter? For a 5’4” LPGA player, that could be a belly putter, right?

> >

> > I’m all in for a workable rule change. The problem is how to write the rule.

>

> It burns me when I see Bernhard Langer or Scott McCarron make a whole bunch of putts with the cheater stick. I would re-write the rule to define a stroke that is "levered", that is, one in which one hand is stationary and the other contributes the stroke. And I would ban "levering" strokes, just as croquet strokes, pushes and drags are also banned.

 

Or they could redefine anchoring. Anchoring would be defined as a stroke during which the top end of the putter doesn't move. That would ban belly and the long stick. Because, even when the hand is held slightly off the chest, the left arm and forearm are anchored.

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> @gvogel said:

> > @gvogel said:

> > > @"15th Club" said:

> > > I’ve always hated long putters and anchoring.

> > >

> > > The problem is how to write the the rule. I never liked the current anti-anchoring rule and still don’t. I do like the idea of abandoning all attempts to ban the act of anchoring, and instead focusing on putter length. Are there golfers (for instance, with bad backs) who must have a putter of a certain length, even with a normal grip and stroke? How short can we make the limit? I saw a suggestion of 38”. What kind of anchoring can be done with a 38” putter? For a 5’4” LPGA player, that could be a belly putter, right?

> > >

> > > I’m all in for a workable rule change. The problem is how to write the rule.

> >

> > It burns me when I see Bernhard Langer or Scott McCarron make a whole bunch of putts with the cheater stick. I would re-write the rule to define a stroke that is "levered", that is, one in which one hand is stationary and the other contributes the stroke. And I would ban "levering" strokes, just as croquet strokes, pushes and drags are also banned.

>

> Or they could redefine anchoring. Anchoring would be defined as a stroke during which the top end of the putter doesn't move. That would ban belly and the long stick. Because, even when the hand is held slightly off the chest, the left arm and forearm are anchored.

 

Can you possibly imagine enforcing a rule like that? Different players hands move differently in the putting stroke. Those that are more wristy, like Arnie back in the day, barely move that top hand. Are they potentially in violation by your rule?

That is what 15 is saying.... It's a nightmare to write a rule that works.

 

PS the guys you mentioned are not cheating, nor is the putter they are using a "cheater stick".

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What the heck do we care how long it takes pro golfers to play? If the camera is on one group for too long, fast forward through it just as with commercials.

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> @Shilgy said:

> > @gvogel said:

> > > @gvogel said:

> > > > @"15th Club" said:

> > > > I’ve always hated long putters and anchoring.

> > > >

> > > > The problem is how to write the the rule. I never liked the current anti-anchoring rule and still don’t. I do like the idea of abandoning all attempts to ban the act of anchoring, and instead focusing on putter length. Are there golfers (for instance, with bad backs) who must have a putter of a certain length, even with a normal grip and stroke? How short can we make the limit? I saw a suggestion of 38”. What kind of anchoring can be done with a 38” putter? For a 5’4” LPGA player, that could be a belly putter, right?

> > > >

> > > > I’m all in for a workable rule change. The problem is how to write the rule.

> > >

> > > It burns me when I see Bernhard Langer or Scott McCarron make a whole bunch of putts with the cheater stick. I would re-write the rule to define a stroke that is "levered", that is, one in which one hand is stationary and the other contributes the stroke. And I would ban "levering" strokes, just as croquet strokes, pushes and drags are also banned.

> >

> > Or they could redefine anchoring. Anchoring would be defined as a stroke during which the top end of the putter doesn't move. That would ban belly and the long stick. Because, even when the hand is held slightly off the chest, the left arm and forearm are anchored.

>

> Can you possibly imagine enforcing a rule like that? Different players hands move differently in the putting stroke. Those that are more wristy, like Arnie back in the day, barely move that top hand. Are they potentially in violation by your rule?

> That is what 15 is saying.... It's a nightmare to write a rule that works.

>

> PS the guys you mentioned are not cheating, nor is the putter they are using a "cheater stick".

 

Agreed, it's not cheating if they're following the rules in place at the time.

 

Anyways, you'd still have the exact same problem as some have right now: They think McCarron and Langher are anchoring, but they're actually leaving a very small gap between chest and club. Hard to see. So imagine trying to see if there's actually any movement at the top end of the putter. What if there's very little movement? I'll bet there's a little movement at the top by both McCarron and Langher even now.

 

Having said that, the whole anchoring thing is still much ado about nothing. I still think they made a mistake allowing mallet putters and it's been downhill ever since.

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> @"15th Club" said:

> About the last two posts on this page...

>

> I had always thought that the best way to express my contempt for long putts was to say to their owners; “I feel so sorry for you; how bad did your putting get, before you reverted to that?”

>

> But I’m not sure how I could ever say that to Langer.

 

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> @Shilgy said:

> > @gvogel said:

> > > @gvogel said:

> > > > @"15th Club" said:

> > > > I’ve always hated long putters and anchoring.

> > > >

> > > > The problem is how to write the the rule. I never liked the current anti-anchoring rule and still don’t. I do like the idea of abandoning all attempts to ban the act of anchoring, and instead focusing on putter length. Are there golfers (for instance, with bad backs) who must have a putter of a certain length, even with a normal grip and stroke? How short can we make the limit? I saw a suggestion of 38”. What kind of anchoring can be done with a 38” putter? For a 5’4” LPGA player, that could be a belly putter, right?

> > > >

> > > > I’m all in for a workable rule change. The problem is how to write the rule.

> > >

> > > It burns me when I see Bernhard Langer or Scott McCarron make a whole bunch of putts with the cheater stick. I would re-write the rule to define a stroke that is "levered", that is, one in which one hand is stationary and the other contributes the stroke. And I would ban "levering" strokes, just as croquet strokes, pushes and drags are also banned.

> >

> > Or they could redefine anchoring. Anchoring would be defined as a stroke during which the top end of the putter doesn't move. That would ban belly and the long stick. Because, even when the hand is held slightly off the chest, the left arm and forearm are anchored.

>

> Can you possibly imagine enforcing a rule like that? Different players hands move differently in the putting stroke. Those that are more wristy, like Arnie back in the day, barely move that top hand. Are they potentially in violation by your rule?

> That is what 15 is saying.... It's a nightmare to write a rule that works.

>

> PS the guys you mentioned are not cheating, nor is the putter they are using a "cheater stick".

 

Look, if you can't see the difference between Arnie back in the day with his wristy stroke, and Langer and McCarron today with the broom stick, I have pity on you.

 

There must be a way to define a rule that will allow Arnie, and not allow what Langer and McCarron are doing.

 

Arnie was playing a golf stroke. Langer is doing something else. I remember having brunch with my son and a former girlfriend during Sunday at the Masters. She saw Adam Scott with his long putter, and asked "is that legal?" Out of the mouth of babes.

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Ban the claw/pencil grip. I don't like how it looks and it takes the twitchy trail hand muscles out of the stroke.

 

Ban 460 cc driver heads. They look ridiculous and are way too easy to hit.

 

Ban lob wedges. They make flop shots too easy.

 

See how dumb this sounds?

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> @MaineMariner said:

> Ban the claw/pencil grip. I don't like how it looks and it takes the twitchy trail hand muscles out of the stroke.

>

> Ban 460 cc driver heads. They look ridiculous and are way too easy to hit.

>

> Ban lob wedges. They make flop shots too easy.

>

> See how dumb this sounds?

 

You're off point. If I use a claw/pencil grip, both of my hands are involved with making the stroke. Same as left hand low, or pointer finger down the shaft - any number of grips. Both hands are working together.

 

Ban 460 cc driver heads? I'm all for that. Bifurcate the rules. See who wants to play the more difficult drivers that the pros will have to play. You're on your own there. It will take more talent to play consistently, which is what we expect from elite golfers.

 

Ban lob wedges? Who cares. It's one of 14 clubs, and few have the talent to use them.

 

I say ban the long putter in some way, because it isn't a golf stroke. Maybe they will find their way to putt-putt.

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How about you get 40 seconds to play a shot, and you get a "bank" of an additional 5 or 10 minutes that you can use however you see fit?

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> @AndersUK said:

> The easiest way to define the rule is to make it compulsory for the right hand to be in contact with the left hand at the moment the club makes contact with the ball.

> This would eliminate conventional anchoring and the anchoring of the the arm with the opposite hand.

>

This bans the claw grip or any variation of it.

 

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Why does anyone think R10.1b needs fixing? It's been around for several years and survived intact in the 2019 Rules modernization effort. The unanchored long putter is a pretty rare sight, generally only employed by a very small group of older folks with bad backs or an essential tremor. Furthermore, those tasked with the Rules enforcement don't seem bothered by the language of the Rule. The Rule as written seems to have solved the problem, the anchored belly method, that it was aimed at.

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I think one reason slow play has become such an issue is a result of how networks deliver their coverage. If the networks didn't show guys like JB taking 2 minutes to make a stroke, we probably would know he took 2 minutes to make a stroke.

 

I've been to numerous tour events and a 5+ hour round is normal, especially with threesomes. In my observation groups move around the course rather quickly. They tend to take the most time on and around the greens, and on par 3 tee boxes. They all walk briskly from shot to shot and don't spend a lot of time teeing off on par 4s and 5s - they usually know what club they are going to hit; they pull it, line up and let it rip.

 

One thing that seems to cause back-ups on the course at tour events is the need for a rules official every time a player has a rules question. I suppose past incidents of viewers calling in rules infractions has made many players gun-shy. I've seen players request a rules official for simple things like where to drop along a hazard margin. It grinds play to a halt.

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> @GoGoErky said:

> > @AndersUK said:

> > The easiest way to define the rule is to make it compulsory for the right hand to be in contact with the left hand at the moment the club makes contact with the ball.

> > This would eliminate conventional anchoring and the anchoring of the the arm with the opposite hand.

> >

> This bans the claw grip or any variation of it.

>

 

That is not correct. Many already have hands touching with that grip and for those that don't touching the top of the right hand with the the bottom of the left would not be that big a change.

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For the most part I like this, and for us folks playing our golf pretty reasonable to enforce/monitor. But when galleries are involved it’s subjective when that clock starts. If Rickie Fowler hits it to 2 feet on 16 in Scottsdale on Saturday the place is going to nutso and it would take 15 minutes to clear the green of the bras and panties that got thrown. He’s playing with everyone’s favorite Ian Poulter who catches a rash of sh— from the inebriated bros when he tees it up. When does his 40 seconds start?

 

> @Obee said:

> How about you get 40 seconds to play a shot, and you get a "bank" of an additional 5 or 10 minutes that you can use however you see fit?

 

 

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      Ping putter - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Kevin Dougherty's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Bettinardi putter - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Cameron putter - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Erik Barnes testing an all-black Axis1 putter – 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Tony Finau's new driver shaft – 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
       
       
       
       
       
      • 7 replies
    • 2024 Valspar Championship WITB Photos (Thanks to bvmagic)- Discussion & Links to Photos
      This weeks WITB Pics are from member bvmagic (Brian). Brian's first event for WRX was in 2008 at Bayhill while in college. Thanks so much bv.
       
      Please put your comments or question on this thread. Links to all the threads are below...
       
       
       
       
      • 31 replies
    • 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational - Discussion and Links to Photos
      Please put any questions or comments here
       
       
       
      General Albums
       
      2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational - Monday #1
      2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational - Monday #2
      2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational - Monday #3
       
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
      Matt (LFG) Every - WITB - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
      Sahith Theegala - WITB - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
       
       
       
       
       
      Pullout Albums
       
      New Cameron putters (and new "LD" grip) - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
      New Bettinardi MB & CB irons - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
      Custom Bettinardi API putter cover - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
      Custom Swag API covers - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
      New Golf Pride Reverse Taper grips - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
      • 15 replies
    • 2024 Cognizant Classic - Discussion and Links to Photos
      Please put any questions or comments here
       
       
       
       
      General Albums
       
      2024 Cognizant Classic - Monday #1
      2024 Cognizant Classic - Monday #2
      2024 Cognizant Classic - Monday #3
      2024 Cognizant Classic - Monday #4
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
      Brandt Snedeker - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Max Greyserman - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Eric Cole - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Carl Yuan - WITb - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Russell Henley - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Justin Sun - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Alex Noren - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Shane Lowry - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Taylor Montgomery - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Jake Knapp (KnappTime_ltd) - WITB - - 2024 Cognizant Classic
       
       
       
      Pullout Albums
       
      New Super Stoke Pistol Lock 1.0 & 2.0 grips - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      LA Golf new insert putter - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      New Garsen Quad Tour 15 grip - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      New Swag covers - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Jacob Bridgeman's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Bud Cauley's custom Cameron putters - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Ryo Hisatsune's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Chris Kirk - new black Callaway Apex CB irons and a few Odyssey putters - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Alejandro Tosti's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Cognizant Classic
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
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    • 2024 Genesis Invitational - Discussion and Links to Photos
      Please put any questions or comments here
       
       
       
      General Albums
       
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Monday #1
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Monday #2
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Tuesday #1
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Tuesday #2
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Tuesday #3
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Tuesday #4
       
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
      Rory McIlroy - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Sepp Straka - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Patrick Rodgers - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Brendon Todd - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Denny McCarthy - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Corey Conners - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Chase Johnson - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tommy Fleetwood - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Matt Fitzpatrick - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Si Woo Kim - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Viktor Hovland - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Wyndham Clark - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Cam Davis - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Nick Taylor - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Ben Baller WITB update (New putter, driver, hybrid and shafts) – 2024 Genesis Invitational
       
       
       
       
       
      Pullout Albums
       
      New Vortex Golf rangefinder - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      New Fujikura Ventus shaft - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods & TaylorMade "Sun Day Red" apparel launch event, product photos – 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods Sun Day Red golf shoes - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Aretera shafts - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      New Toulon putters - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods' new white "Sun Day Red" golf shoe prototypes – 2024 Genesis Invitational
       
       
       
       
       
      • 22 replies

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