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> @jetmech879 said:

> I saw a post from those saying they felt like the fli hi. Those feel pretty darn solid to me. I aggre 100% taylormade nailed the acoustics on the p790, not so much the feel though. I'm hopeful that mizuno would not release a MP iron that sounds hollow, even though it is.

 

Sound is feel, for the most part. To be fair HMB are not competing with p790. Not in the same league.(It's crazy how so many people consider the P790 a player iron) P790 fans need to look at JPX Forged/ Hot Metal Pros for comparability

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> @"Gary Gutful" said:

> What makes HMB and players iron and p790 not? The only difference I can see is loft.

 

I'll admit I am kinda a P790, hater. ;)

 

I guess I can't say for certain, since I haven't hit or seen HMB, but I would say the difference is in their intended design and actual footprint. I feel that in a players iron all the priorities such as looks, feel, feedback, turf interaction, distance-control, etc all trump distance and distance is the least of it's priorities. 790 are kinda big and distance seem to be their first priority. They are nice irons for what they are, but I didn't get the feedback I would from a traditional forged CB(I know that HMB isn't that). They also aren't as nimble. I don't know if HMB will deliver that, but I know p760 was much better in that regard, and I feel is more along the line HMB is going for, at least in the short and mid irons. The long irons seem like driving irons. I'm excited to try them though.

 

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> @"Gary Gutful" said:

> What makes HMB and players iron and p790 not? The only difference I can see is loft.

 

Can't say I'm fully qualified to answer this BUT if the HMB is anything like the MP-18 MMC Fli-Hi in size then I'll tell you that the HMB would be smaller than a P790. The Fli-Hi is every bit smaller than the P790...but again I've never seen a HMB yet to honestly know it's true size comparison. Being part of the MP-20 family though likely means it will retain a smaller overall size footprint.

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> @"Gary Gutful" said:

> Based on the photos it looks to have similar footprint. As for offset, these are the numbers:

>

> HMB - 3 iron = 3.7mm; 6 iron = 3.4mm; 9 iron = 2.8mm.

>

> P790 - 3 iron = 3.9mm; 6 iron = 3.0mm; 9 iron = 2.1mm.

>

> Taylormade has less.

 

Wow, that's surprising on the offset!

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> @PowerCobra98 said:

> > @"Gary Gutful" said:

> > Based on the photos it looks to have similar footprint. As for offset, these are the numbers:

> >

> > HMB - 3 iron = 3.7mm; 6 iron = 3.4mm; 9 iron = 2.8mm.

> >

> > P790 - 3 iron = 3.9mm; 6 iron = 3.0mm; 9 iron = 2.1mm.

> >

> > Taylormade has less.

>

> Wow, that's surprising on the offset!

 

Yeah, Sounds kinda terrible actually. Haha! Has me losing interest.

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> > @jetmech879 said:

> > I saw a post from those saying they felt like the fli hi. Those feel pretty darn solid to me. I aggre 100% taylormade nailed the acoustics on the p790, not so much the feel though. I'm hopeful that mizuno would not release a MP iron that sounds hollow, even though it is.

>

> Sound is feel, for the most part. To be fair HMB are not competing with p790. Not in the same league.(It's crazy how so many people consider the P790 a player iron) P790 fans need to look at JPX Forged/ Hot Metal Pros for comparability

 

No way HMB is better than P790 in all categories, specially feel and looks, I replace my Callaway Legacy Black because I like the feel of P790 better and if you hit the legacy black, that is one of the best irons when it comes to feel.

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> @PowerCobra98 said:

> > @"Gary Gutful" said:

> > Based on the photos it looks to have similar footprint. As for offset, these are the numbers:

> >

> > HMB - 3 iron = 3.7mm; 6 iron = 3.4mm; 9 iron = 2.8mm.

> >

> > P790 - 3 iron = 3.9mm; 6 iron = 3.0mm; 9 iron = 2.1mm.

> >

> > Taylormade has less.

>

> Wow, that's surprising on the offset!

 

The pics are clear and close up. Does not look like much offset to me!

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> @mtex22 said:

> > @PowerCobra98 said:

> > > @"Gary Gutful" said:

> > > Based on the photos it looks to have similar footprint. As for offset, these are the numbers:

> > >

> > > HMB - 3 iron = 3.7mm; 6 iron = 3.4mm; 9 iron = 2.8mm.

> > >

> > > P790 - 3 iron = 3.9mm; 6 iron = 3.0mm; 9 iron = 2.1mm.

> > >

> > > Taylormade has less.

> >

> > Wow, that's surprising on the offset!

>

> The pics are clear and close up. Does not look like much offset to me!

 

The numbers are even clearer. Not a major surprise that Mizuno has more offset, particularly in 7-PW. They often have a bit more than other players irons. Particularly in their cavity backs.

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> No way > @chinaski said:

> > > @jetmech879 said:

> > > I saw a post from those saying they felt like the fli hi. Those feel pretty darn solid to me. I aggre 100% taylormade nailed the acoustics on the p790, not so much the feel though. I'm hopeful that mizuno would not release a MP iron that sounds hollow, even though it is.

> >

> > Sound is feel, for the most part. To be fair HMB are not competing with p790. Not in the same league.(It's crazy how so many people consider the P790 a player iron) P790 fans need to look at JPX Forged/ Hot Metal Pros for comparability

>

> No way HMB is better than P790 in all categories, specially feel and looks, I replace my Callaway Legacy Black because I like the feel of P790 better and if you hit the legacy black, that is one of the best irons when it comes to feel.

 

 

Obviously feel and looks are subjective, but I just personally can't see why guys are constantly creaming over P790. P760 just look so much better to me in design, shape, etc. I feel like they are a different class.

 

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> @"Gary Gutful" said:

> > @mtex22 said:

> > > @PowerCobra98 said:

> > > > @"Gary Gutful" said:

> > > > Based on the photos it looks to have similar footprint. As for offset, these are the numbers:

> > > >

> > > > HMB - 3 iron = 3.7mm; 6 iron = 3.4mm; 9 iron = 2.8mm.

> > > >

> > > > P790 - 3 iron = 3.9mm; 6 iron = 3.0mm; 9 iron = 2.1mm.

> > > >

> > > > Taylormade has less.

> > >

> > > Wow, that's surprising on the offset!

> >

> > The pics are clear and close up. Does not look like much offset to me!

>

> The numbers are even clearer. Not a major surprise that Mizuno has more offset, particularly in 7-PW. They often have a bit more than other players irons. Particularly in their cavity backs.

 

It does seems a little high compared to other more forgiving MP irons. HMB is looking a lot more like H4/H5 than I had originally anticipated.

 

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It's looking more like a revamp of 2014 lineup.

 

 

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The H4 was a very underrated set IMO, hollow long irons, half hollow mid irons, and one piece full forged 8-P. I thought they all felt nice, and the 8-P had a decent topline. Ideally this set redone with a slightly thinner sole and top line would be exceptional.

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> @mtex22 said:

> > @PowerCobra98 said:

> > > @"Gary Gutful" said:

> > > Based on the photos it looks to have similar footprint. As for offset, these are the numbers:

> > >

> > > HMB - 3 iron = 3.7mm; 6 iron = 3.4mm; 9 iron = 2.8mm.

> > >

> > > P790 - 3 iron = 3.9mm; 6 iron = 3.0mm; 9 iron = 2.1mm.

> > >

> > > Taylormade has less.

> >

> > Wow, that's surprising on the offset!

>

> The pics are clear and close up. Does not look like much offset to me!

 

I agree. It was more just surprise in relation to P790's. It doesn't matter to me, I'm getting a whole set from 4-PW of the HMB's!

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> @PowerCobra98 said:

> > @mtex22 said:

> > > @PowerCobra98 said:

> > > > @"Gary Gutful" said:

> > > > Based on the photos it looks to have similar footprint. As for offset, these are the numbers:

> > > >

> > > > HMB - 3 iron = 3.7mm; 6 iron = 3.4mm; 9 iron = 2.8mm.

> > > >

> > > > P790 - 3 iron = 3.9mm; 6 iron = 3.0mm; 9 iron = 2.1mm.

> > > >

> > > > Taylormade has less.

> > >

> > > Wow, that's surprising on the offset!

> >

> > The pics are clear and close up. Does not look like much offset to me!

>

> I agree. It was more just surprise in relation to P790's. It doesn't matter to me, I'm getting a whole set from 4-PW of the HMB's!

 

For sure as long as it looks great to my eye I am good. I am very picky about offset and based on the pics I am ok with what I see. Also happy the blade length looks to be on the shorter side. I hope @Vosh68 will see this and can shed some light on the sound and feel of the HMB. I am very interested in that.

 

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I'm surprised that we haven't seen some of the YouTube guys getting their hands on these for some reviews.

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> @Vosh68 said:

> Happy to!

> Feel is every bit an MP iron. Much more so than the previous MP-18 Fli-Hi and H5s. It's the reason we went to Forged and Copper Underlay (two things neither of those had). H4 was forged, and for those that hit it, had a softer feel than either of the other two mentioned. Closer to that, feel wise, but even softer based on the Copper.

> Regarding on how "Players" it is vs some of the competition, this was designed to fit into the MP family. Offsets, while they "measure" higher in the short irons, offset is a measurement that can be very misleading as the hosel transition plays a huge role in how it actually looks. As was pointed out previously, Mizuno tends to "measure" higher in offset, but the look is hidden. They are designed to flow into a set of muscle backs and MMC in that when the lofts are matched up, the offsets are too. And in terms of face design, these are designed for face consistency vs the max COR designs we see throughout this category in the industry. We want consistent call speeds across the face, not massive in the middle.

> Truly expect this to be the most "players" club in what is beginning to be a very crowded category of hollow forgings. Which, by the way, we may be the only one of those that have a forged face and neck, where the forging really matters.

 

This dude has instant street cred....unreal that he takes the time to speak to us common folk.

 

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> @Vosh68 said:

> Happy to!

> Feel is every bit an MP iron. Much more so than the previous MP-18 Fli-Hi and H5s. It's the reason we went to Forged and Copper Underlay (two things neither of those had). H4 was forged, and for those that hit it, had a softer feel than either of the other two mentioned. Closer to that, feel wise, but even softer based on the Copper.

> Regarding on how "Players" it is vs some of the competition, this was designed to fit into the MP family. Offsets, while they "measure" higher in the short irons, offset is a measurement that can be very misleading as the hosel transition plays a huge role in how it actually looks. As was pointed out previously, Mizuno tends to "measure" higher in offset, but the look is hidden. They are designed to flow into a set of muscle backs and MMC in that when the lofts are matched up, the offsets are too. And in terms of face design, these are designed for face consistency vs the max COR designs we see throughout this category in the industry. We want consistent call speeds across the face, not massive in the middle.

> Truly expect this to be the most "players" club in what is beginning to be a very crowded category of hollow forgings. Which, by the way, we may be the only one of those that have a forged face and neck, where the forging really matters.

 

You the man Vosh! Thank you so much! Just one of the many reasons I love Mizuno and will always have them in the bag!

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> @Vosh68 said:

> Happy to!

> Feel is every bit an MP iron. Much more so than the previous MP-18 Fli-Hi and H5s. It's the reason we went to Forged and Copper Underlay (two things neither of those had). H4 was forged, and for those that hit it, had a softer feel than either of the other two mentioned. Closer to that, feel wise, but even softer based on the Copper.

> Regarding on how "Players" it is vs some of the competition, this was designed to fit into the MP family. Offsets, while they "measure" higher in the short irons, offset is a measurement that can be very misleading as the hosel transition plays a huge role in how it actually looks. As was pointed out previously, Mizuno tends to "measure" higher in offset, but the look is hidden. They are designed to flow into a set of muscle backs and MMC in that when the lofts are matched up, the offsets are too. And in terms of face design, these are designed for face consistency vs the max COR designs we see throughout this category in the industry. We want consistent call speeds across the face, not massive in the middle.

> Truly expect this to be the most "players" club in what is beginning to be a very crowded category of hollow forgings. Which, by the way, we may be the only one of those that have a forged face and neck, where the forging really matters.

 

You just made me want these even more. As much as I love my JPX919 Forged I'm really looking forward to getting a set of these. Can't make a wrong decision any time I decide to take one set or the other to the course!

 

@Vosh68 can you by chance speak to the performance of these HMB's in the 8-PW? Can't say I'm not a little concerned in how they'll perform there...and specifically in relation to my current 919 Forged set.

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> @Vosh68 said:

> Happy to!

> Feel is every bit an MP iron. Much more so than the previous MP-18 Fli-Hi and H5s. It's the reason we went to Forged and Copper Underlay (two things neither of those had). H4 was forged, and for those that hit it, had a softer feel than either of the other two mentioned. Closer to that, feel wise, but even softer based on the Copper.

> Regarding on how "Players" it is vs some of the competition, this was designed to fit into the MP family. Offsets, while they "measure" higher in the short irons, offset is a measurement that can be very misleading as the hosel transition plays a huge role in how it actually looks. As was pointed out previously, Mizuno tends to "measure" higher in offset, but the look is hidden. They are designed to flow into a set of muscle backs and MMC in that when the lofts are matched up, the offsets are too. And in terms of face design, these are designed for face consistency vs the max COR designs we see throughout this category in the industry. We want consistent call speeds across the face, not massive in the middle.

> Truly expect this to be the most "players" club in what is beginning to be a very crowded category of hollow forgings. Which, by the way, we may be the only one of those that have a forged face and neck, where the forging really matters.

 

The H4’s were my first set of Mizuno irons. Playing 919 Tours in 5-P but sometimes play PXG 5&6. So, I’m really looking forward to these in at least 4-6. May give the Tours to my son and get the HMB’s in 4-P with 7 - P in MP 20’s for my stronger days - you’ll understand when you get old!

 

Can’t wait to try these out.

 

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> @Vosh68 said:

> Happy to!

> Feel is every bit an MP iron. Much more so than the previous MP-18 Fli-Hi and H5s. It's the reason we went to Forged and Copper Underlay (two things neither of those had). H4 was forged, and for those that hit it, had a softer feel than either of the other two mentioned. Closer to that, feel wise, but even softer based on the Copper.

> Regarding on how "Players" it is vs some of the competition, this was designed to fit into the MP family. Offsets, while they "measure" higher in the short irons, offset is a measurement that can be very misleading as the hosel transition plays a huge role in how it actually looks. As was pointed out previously, Mizuno tends to "measure" higher in offset, but the look is hidden. They are designed to flow into a set of muscle backs and MMC in that when the lofts are matched up, the offsets are too. And in terms of face design, these are designed for face consistency vs the max COR designs we see throughout this category in the industry. We want consistent call speeds across the face, not massive in the middle.

> Truly expect this to be the most "players" club in what is beginning to be a very crowded category of hollow forgings. Which, by the way, we may be the only one of those that have a forged face and neck, where the forging really matters.

 

 

@Vosh68 - Thanks for answering my feel question and addressing the offset noise. I am even more so excited! Hopefully we see these in the fitting carts soon. I can't wait to pre-order especially with all the new shaft offering at no upcharge!! Win win

 

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My buddy at the golf shop told me he will be getting heads on August 27th. It will be here before ya know it!

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Wow, can’t say enough about how impressive it is to me that Vosh takes the time to respond in a deep sub forum like this. What a great brand ambassador! Definitely solidified my business for this release. Gonna order a hmb 3 iron and some mmc mid irons to work into a multigenerational Mizuno combo set. I may also order a full set of blades just to mess around with, although I don’t have game to actually make them my real gamers. Thanks Vosh, keep the good stuff coming!

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These in the long irons would be amazing! So beautiful. I think it's the most beautiful hollow type club out there.

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> @Vosh68 said:

> Happy to!

> Feel is every bit an MP iron. Much more so than the previous MP-18 Fli-Hi and H5s. It's the reason we went to Forged and Copper Underlay (two things neither of those had). H4 was forged, and for those that hit it, had a softer feel than either of the other two mentioned. Closer to that, feel wise, but even softer based on the Copper.

> Regarding on how "Players" it is vs some of the competition, this was designed to fit into the MP family. Offsets, while they "measure" higher in the short irons, offset is a measurement that can be very misleading as the hosel transition plays a huge role in how it actually looks. As was pointed out previously, Mizuno tends to "measure" higher in offset, but the look is hidden. They are designed to flow into a set of muscle backs and MMC in that when the lofts are matched up, the offsets are too. And in terms of face design, these are designed for face consistency vs the max COR designs we see throughout this category in the industry. We want consistent call speeds across the face, not massive in the middle.

> Truly expect this to be the most "players" club in what is beginning to be a very crowded category of hollow forgings. Which, by the way, we may be the only one of those that have a forged face and neck, where the forging really matters.

 

Quality info...thankyou for your time and added value to this thread. Love ya work ;-)

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@Vosh68 Awesome. Great post. Kind of forgot how the MP18 designed offset to blend with lofts. Got me all excited again.

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      Trace Crowe - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Jimmy Walker - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Daniel Berger - WITB(very mini) - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Chesson Hadley - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Callum McNeill - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Rhein Gibson - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Patrick Fishburn - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Peter Malnati - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Raul Pereda - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Gary Woodland WITB (New driver, iron shafts) – 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Padraig Harrington WITB – 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
       
       
       
       
      Pullout Albums
       
      Tom Hoge's custom Cameron - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Cameron putter - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Piretti putters - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Ping putter - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Kevin Dougherty's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Bettinardi putter - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Cameron putter - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Erik Barnes testing an all-black Axis1 putter – 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Tony Finau's new driver shaft – 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
       
       
       
       
       
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    • 2024 Valspar Championship WITB Photos (Thanks to bvmagic)- Discussion & Links to Photos
      This weeks WITB Pics are from member bvmagic (Brian). Brian's first event for WRX was in 2008 at Bayhill while in college. Thanks so much bv.
       
      Please put your comments or question on this thread. Links to all the threads are below...
       
       
       
       
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    • 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational - Discussion and Links to Photos
      Please put any questions or comments here
       
       
       
      General Albums
       
      2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational - Monday #1
      2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational - Monday #2
      2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational - Monday #3
       
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
      Matt (LFG) Every - WITB - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
      Sahith Theegala - WITB - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
       
       
       
       
       
      Pullout Albums
       
      New Cameron putters (and new "LD" grip) - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
      New Bettinardi MB & CB irons - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
      Custom Bettinardi API putter cover - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
      Custom Swag API covers - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
      New Golf Pride Reverse Taper grips - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
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    • 2024 Cognizant Classic - Discussion and Links to Photos
      Please put any questions or comments here
       
       
       
       
      General Albums
       
      2024 Cognizant Classic - Monday #1
      2024 Cognizant Classic - Monday #2
      2024 Cognizant Classic - Monday #3
      2024 Cognizant Classic - Monday #4
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
      Brandt Snedeker - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Max Greyserman - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Eric Cole - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Carl Yuan - WITb - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Russell Henley - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Justin Sun - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Alex Noren - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Shane Lowry - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Taylor Montgomery - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Jake Knapp (KnappTime_ltd) - WITB - - 2024 Cognizant Classic
       
       
       
      Pullout Albums
       
      New Super Stoke Pistol Lock 1.0 & 2.0 grips - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      LA Golf new insert putter - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      New Garsen Quad Tour 15 grip - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      New Swag covers - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Jacob Bridgeman's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Bud Cauley's custom Cameron putters - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Ryo Hisatsune's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Chris Kirk - new black Callaway Apex CB irons and a few Odyssey putters - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Alejandro Tosti's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Cognizant Classic
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
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    • 2024 Genesis Invitational - Discussion and Links to Photos
      Please put any questions or comments here
       
       
       
      General Albums
       
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Monday #1
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Monday #2
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Tuesday #1
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Tuesday #2
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Tuesday #3
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Tuesday #4
       
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
      Rory McIlroy - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Sepp Straka - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Patrick Rodgers - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Brendon Todd - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Denny McCarthy - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Corey Conners - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Chase Johnson - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tommy Fleetwood - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Matt Fitzpatrick - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Si Woo Kim - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Viktor Hovland - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Wyndham Clark - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Cam Davis - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Nick Taylor - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Ben Baller WITB update (New putter, driver, hybrid and shafts) – 2024 Genesis Invitational
       
       
       
       
       
      Pullout Albums
       
      New Vortex Golf rangefinder - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      New Fujikura Ventus shaft - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods & TaylorMade "Sun Day Red" apparel launch event, product photos – 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods Sun Day Red golf shoes - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Aretera shafts - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      New Toulon putters - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods' new white "Sun Day Red" golf shoe prototypes – 2024 Genesis Invitational
       
       
       
       
       
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