Different Swing Models/Philosophies

[chigolfer1]

> @jc4birdie said:

> Here’s one that has been omitted that is pretty radical: AJ Bonar says there is no correct golf swing, nor fundamentals of the same, just a correct impact.

>

> I don’t really agree for the most part, but there is something to be said for worrying less about swing positions than about properly applying the golf club to the back of the ball to propel it forward.

 

I mean that's hard to argue with. The thing is there are ways to swing before you get to impact that make it easier (or harder) to reach correct impact.

[Krt22]

> @jc4birdie said:

> Here’s one that has been omitted that is pretty radical: AJ Bonar says there is no correct golf swing, nor fundamentals of the same, just a correct impact.

>

> I don’t really agree for the most part, but there is something to be said for worrying less about swing positions than about properly applying the golf club to the back of the ball to propel it forward.

 

The issue is it gets very difficult to "properly" apply the golf club to the back of the ball if you get too much out of position. I agree there is no correct swing but there are lot's of things that all good/elite golfers have in common.

[wrm2120]

> @"Ping's Duck" said:

> still more, from the Land of Youtubeville:

> The Catapult Golf Swing Method

> The Baseball Golf Swing Method

> Hit it Straight as You Can Point Golf Swing,........Hi Dalton!

> The 8.5 Position Golf Swing Method.

> Hope OP appreciates all this hard work for his project, thinking more to be found on the Asian continent.

 

I just want to give Ping's Duck a shoutout for going all in on this topic.

 

As the youths say: "you're the real MVP."

[JeffreySpicoli]

ProGoLow is definitely trolling here. He’s spent his day disagreeing with over 800 of my posts. Obviously he is playing out his existing personal issues.

 

Don’t waste your time or energy on him, @iteachgolf.

[Krt22]

> @matthewb said:

> ProGoLow is definitely trolling here. He’s spent his day disagreeing with over 800 of my posts. Obviously he is playing out his existing personal issues.

>

> Don’t waste your time or energy on him, @iteachgolf.

 

lol how petty. I thought you were being sarcastic, but he really did that to 800 posts! His lesson tee must not be very busy

[JeffreySpicoli]

> @Krt22 said:

> > @matthewb said:

> > ProGoLow is definitely trolling here. He’s spent his day disagreeing with over 800 of my posts. Obviously he is playing out his existing personal issues.

> >

> > Don’t waste your time or energy on him, @iteachgolf.

>

> lol how petty. I thought you were being sarcastic, but he really did that to 800 posts! His lesson tee must not be very busy

 

Truth is stranger than fiction.

 

It’s hard to imagine someone having the time to go through the tedium to disagree with 800+ posts in less than 24 hours. On the other hand, extreme rage evidently provides focus for some individuals.

[LyinEye]

> @wrm2120 said:

> > @"Ping's Duck" said:

> > still more, from the Land of Youtubeville:

> > The Catapult Golf Swing Method

> > The Baseball Golf Swing Method

> > Hit it Straight as You Can Point Golf Swing,........Hi Dalton!

> > The 8.5 Position Golf Swing Method.

> > Hope OP appreciates all this hard work for his project, thinking more to be found on the Asian continent.

>

> I just want to give Ping's Duck a shoutout for going all in on this topic.

>

> As the youths say: "you're the real MVP."

 

Well thank you for the shout, which motivated a deeper dive into the mystery swings, their labels, or catch phrases.

One Move to Better Golf

Bertholy Golf Method

Hogan's Angle Swing- I think the author may be a former bungee jumper

Golf My Way Swing

Maximum Golf

See and Feel the Inside Move the Outside

The Redemptive Golf System.....not kidding, it's out there

Rebellion Golf

21st Century Golf Swing

Mike Austin Golf Swing

Revolution Golf Swing

 

[jc4birdie]

> @Krt22 said:

> > @jc4birdie said:

> > Here’s one that has been omitted that is pretty radical: AJ Bonar says there is no correct golf swing, nor fundamentals of the same, just a correct impact.

> >

> > I don’t really agree for the most part, but there is something to be said for worrying less about swing positions than about properly applying the golf club to the back of the ball to propel it forward.

>

> The issue is it gets very difficult to "properly" apply the golf club to the back of the ball if you get too much out of position. I agree there is no correct swing but there are lot's of things that all good/elite golfers have in common.

 

Totally agree. Hence a guy like Jimmy Ballard talking about “common denominators” in great ballstrikers. I guess the value of Bonar’s ideas is to not get TOO obsessed w/ swing elements to the exclusion of the end goal. Freddy Couples looks way different swinging the club than Rocco Mediate, but both get the job done....and do so w/ more similarity than is visually obvious.

 

 

[moehogan]

> @"Ping's Duck" said:

> > @wrm2120 said:

> > > @"Ping's Duck" said:

> > > still more, from the Land of Youtubeville:

> > > The Catapult Golf Swing Method

> > > The Baseball Golf Swing Method

> > > Hit it Straight as You Can Point Golf Swing,........Hi Dalton!

> > > The 8.5 Position Golf Swing Method.

> > > Hope OP appreciates all this hard work for his project, thinking more to be found on the Asian continent.

> >

> > I just want to give Ping's Duck a shoutout for going all in on this topic.

> >

> > As the youths say: "you're the real MVP."

>

> Well thank you for the shout, which motivated a deeper dive into the mystery swings, their labels, or catch phrases.

> One Move to Better Golf

> Bertholy Golf Method

> Hogan's Angle Swing- I think the author may be a former bungee jumper

> Golf My Way Swing

> Maximum Golf

> See and Feel the Inside Move the Outside

> The Redemptive Golf System.....not kidding, it's out there

> Rebellion Golf

> 21st Century Golf Swing

> Mike Austin Golf Swing

> Revolution Golf Swing

>

 

PD, one more!

 

[LyinEye]

LOL....great one!

[wrm2120]

Just looking up the stuff you found, it's evident that golf marketing is way too obsessed with Ben Hogan.

 

Almost every one of these books or videos mentions that the author studied under Hogan... watched Hogan... talked with Hogan... so on and so forth.

 

 

[LyinEye]

Hogan is the neon light used for marketing. Rummaging around never know when great content will show up. Here's a nugget found within the search, a free video, but really good analysis, hands hold, feet strike.

https://www.northboundgolf.com/go-north-with-us/videos/the-best-way-to-start-your-swing

[wrm2120]

> @"Ping's Duck" said:

> Hogan is the neon light used for marketing. Rummaging around never know when great content will show up. Here's a nugget found within the search, a free video, but really good analysis, hands hold, feet strike.

> https://www.northboundgolf.com/go-north-with-us/videos/the-best-way-to-start-your-swing

 

Excellent video.

 

 

[nsxguy]

> @ProGoLow said:

> Tough crowd here with some big egos. However the truth of the matter is - people with big egos actually have weak egos, because they are weak internally and their identity feels threatened. Funny how that works!

 

Hmmmmmm,,,,,,,, interesting "psychoanalysis",,,,,,

 

So what does it say to you about someone whose feelings were (apparently) hurt and who goes through the offending person's posts and hits the "disagree" button on over 1,000 of them ?

[musclefront]

> @nsxguy said:

> > @ProGoLow said:

> > Tough crowd here with some big egos. However the truth of the matter is - people with big egos actually have weak egos, because they are weak internally and their identity feels threatened. Funny how that works!

>

> Hmmmmmm,,,,,,,, interesting "psychoanalysis",,,,,,

>

> So what does it say to you about someone whose feelings were (apparently) hurt and who goes through the offending person's posts and hits the "disagree" button on over 1,000 of them ?

 

that's next level nutty

[nsxguy]

 

> @ProGoLow said:

> # Do It Yourself

> # Even instructors agree, the best players are often self-taught ##

> .

> ## Swing your swing," Arnold Palmer famously said. "Not some idea of a swing, not a swing you saw on TV, or swing you wish you had. No, swing your swing." Sound counsel, given the source; Palmer's was far from aesthetically pleasing, but with seven majors and 95 professional wins worldwide, it seemed to do the trick.

> .

> ## The King is not alone. Golf's history glitters with distinctive, self-made motions. Lee Trevino is the poster boy, constructing his function-over-fashion fade from scratch. Moe Norman, arguably the greatest and straightest ball-striker the sport has seen, never took a lesson. Calvin Peete had to be unconventional because of a childhood arm injury; his downswing and follow-through are often cited as influences on David Leadbetter's book, The A Swing. At the moment, Bubba Watson, J.B. Holmes and Jim Herman wave the self-taught flag on tour. "Self-discovery can be more powerful than someone telling you what to do," says Jason Guss, a Golf Digest Best Young Teacher.

> .

> ## A philosophy not only compelling, but proven. The American Psychological Association examined more than 125 studies focused on success from autonomous learning versus external goal-setting. The tasks varied, from shooting a basketball to computer skills and beyond, but the conclusion was clear: The rewards from self-directed exploration outweigh those from outside forces.

> .

> ## Watson, who learned to curve shots swatting wiffle balls around his childhood home, thinks self-taught players can be more resilient. "You'll know what works, and you'll know the simple fixes to get back on track," he says. His only advice: "All you need to worry about is three feet of the swing, from 5 o'clock to 7 o'clock, right before impact and at impact [or 7 o'clock to 5 o'clock, for lefties]. You want to try to get the club square at impact. Don't worry about a full swing." When Watson watches video of his swing, he focuses on this moment of truth.

> .

> ## Doing it yourself also gives the freedom to mold something that feels natural, rather than striving for—and at times, fighting against—the cues of an instructed swing. "Sometimes homegrown swings are the kind that hold up the best down the road," says Erika Larkin, who initially taught herself to play before getting lessons and eventually becoming a Golf Digest Best Young Teacher. "A swing that is comfortable and works naturally for your body can be better than trying to fit into a mold of what an instructor is trying to get you to do."

> .

> ## Herman, who learned the game with daily reps at Shawnee Lookout Golf Course in North Bend, Ohio, thanks to an all-day junior rate, thinks formal teaching often starts in the wrong place. "Things like course management and strategy get ignored in the beginning stages of instruction," he says.

> .

> ## Which isn't to say you should just pick up a club and start hacking. Pick any swing across the professional spectrum—from the effortless sway of Louis Oosthuizen to Jim Furyk's caught-in-a-spider-web motion—and certain principles are universal. Guss recognizes the four major tenets:

> ## ▶ Parallel alignment among the shoulders, hips, knees and feet.

> ## ▶ Turning the body during the backswing.

> ## ▶ Moving laterally and rotationally on the downswing (which helps maintain proper wrist angles).

> ## ▶ Extending the arms during the backswing and through-swing.

> .

> ## Another focal point should be on tension—specifically, a lack thereof. With an instructed swing, making the directed movements can feel foreign, causing agitation and stress on the takeaway, which are swing-killers. Though you want to keep the above fundamentals in mind, they shouldn't come at the cost of natural agility. "Remaining athletic and using your feel and touch is more important than being technically perfect," Larkin says.

> .

> ## Keep it about outcome, even in the beginning. "Everyone should be thinking about where they want the ball to go while they're standing over a shot, not how or what technique to use to get it there," Herman says.

> .

> ## That said, thanks to a recent proliferation of fairly unobtrusive digital diagnostic devices, self-taught golfers can choose to dive further into the weeds than ever. Arccos, Zepp and Swingbyte are three examples of modern hardware that pair with a phone app to deliver instant data about your swings and strokes, and they highlight the areas of your game in need of improvement.

> .

> ## As with any undertaking, you can't be naive to the possible pitfalls. The biggest is time. It's going to take longer to sort out what does and doesn't work, and the range between the ups and downs could be extreme.

> .

> ## "Not having someone to guide you can take you down the wrong road, leading to patches of struggle," Guss says. "It could also create damaging flaws that can be hard to eliminate." In essence, your sovereignty comes with a price.

> .

> ## When contemplating a fix or alteration of any kind, do it because of results, not what others think of your swing. "Make any changes based on where the ball is going," Herman says, "versus trying to make your swing look perfect on an iPad."

> .

> ## And just because you've decided to be self-taught, don't let that stop you from seeking help if you're in a rut. They are professionals for a reason. But with a little bit of fortitude, testing and discernment, you can achieve an optimal swing on your own.

> .

> ## "Always remember it's a process," Watson says. Know that, as with all quests, it's not the grail you seek, but the ride to it.

> .

> ## "Relax, enjoy the journey and swing freely!" Larkin says. Or, as Mr. Palmer would say, "Swing your swing."

> .

> .

> Reference Link: https://www.golfdigest.com/story/do-it-yourself-swings

>

>

>

 

Firstly PGL, published article or not, exceptions do not prove ~~the~~ your "rule"

 

One need only point to the 2 best professional golfers ever to play the game to "prove" the benefit of instruction.

 

Secondly, see below. Remarks often need to be examined further to see that they're not incorrectly taken out of context.

 

> @MonteScheinblum said:

 

>** I asked Mr. Palmer what he meant by that. “I meant when you get to the course that day, that’s the swing you have, I didn’t mean keep your crappy swing.”**

>

 

[Krt22]

> @matthewb said:

> > @Krt22 said:

> > > @matthewb said:

> > > ProGoLow is definitely trolling here. He’s spent his day disagreeing with over 800 of my posts. Obviously he is playing out his existing personal issues.

> > >

> > > Don’t waste your time or energy on him, @iteachgolf.

> >

> > lol how petty. I thought you were being sarcastic, but he really did that to 800 posts! His lesson tee must not be very busy

>

> Truth is stranger than fiction.

>

> It’s hard to imagine someone having the time to go through the tedium to disagree with 800+ posts in less than 24 hours. On the other hand, extreme rage evidently provides focus for some individuals.

 

 

He's up to 1.6K now. He literally disliked every single one of your posts lol. What a nut job!

[JeffreySpicoli]

> @Krt22 said:

> > @matthewb said:

> > > @Krt22 said:

> > > > @matthewb said:

> > > > ProGoLow is definitely trolling here. He’s spent his day disagreeing with over 800 of my posts. Obviously he is playing out his existing personal issues.

> > > >

> > > > Don’t waste your time or energy on him, @iteachgolf.

> > >

> > > lol how petty. I thought you were being sarcastic, but he really did that to 800 posts! His lesson tee must not be very busy

> >

> > Truth is stranger than fiction.

> >

> > It’s hard to imagine someone having the time to go through the tedium to disagree with 800+ posts in less than 24 hours. On the other hand, extreme rage evidently provides focus for some individuals.

>

>

> He's up to 1.6K now. He literally disliked every single one of your posts lol. What a nut job!

 

I’m hoping that’s earned me badges for 100 Disagrees, 500 Disagrees, 1000 Disagrees, etc.

 

Is there a Golfwrx Cup prize for most Disagrees at the end of the year?

 

(Who in the heck has the time to click all those Disagrees? Better yet, how does one get that upset to even do that? That’s a pretty twisted world to be trapped in. Yowsah.)

[jut111]

That is serial killer stuff. I’d be nice to him if I were you.

 

Just kidding totally rational behavior. Love ya progolow

[chigolfer1]

> @Krt22 said:

> > @matthewb said:

> > > @Krt22 said:

> > > > @matthewb said:

> > > > ProGoLow is definitely trolling here. He’s spent his day disagreeing with over 800 of my posts. Obviously he is playing out his existing personal issues.

> > > >

> > > > Don’t waste your time or energy on him, @iteachgolf.

> > >

> > > lol how petty. I thought you were being sarcastic, but he really did that to 800 posts! His lesson tee must not be very busy

> >

> > Truth is stranger than fiction.

> >

> > It’s hard to imagine someone having the time to go through the tedium to disagree with 800+ posts in less than 24 hours. On the other hand, extreme rage evidently provides focus for some individuals.

>

>

> He's up to 1.6K now. He literally disliked every single one of your posts lol. What a nut job!

 

The really crazy thing is it's such a meaningless action. I don't even know where to see if a post was liked or disliked and I can guarantee 99% of the board couldn't care less one way or another. I mean, if after 1,000 dislikes, you couldn't post for a week or something, at least you could see it "accomplishing" something.

[Krt22]

I can see PGL up late last night, with a bottle of wild turkey and 2 packs american spirits, giggling to himself with each and every disagree click

[robert lind]

Really strange, are there really so manny different ways to swing a club?

And why is the most important one missing?

I mean the one you could name "this is the way most professional golfplayers do it"

The strange thing is you cant find that here or otherplace on internet, not even in any golfmagazine. Actually you cant find an article about how to make a normal full swing anywhere. Please prove me wrong.

[chigolfer1]

> @"robert lind" said:

 

> And why is the most important one missing?

> I mean the one you could name "this is the way most professional golfplayers do it"

> The strange thing is you cant find that here or otherplace on internet, not even in any golfmagazine. Actually you cant find an article about how to make a normal full swing anywhere. Please prove me wrong.

 

That is basically what these guys are all about:

https://www.instagram.com/athletic_motion_golf/?hl=en

 

 

[LyinEye]

> @"robert lind" said:

> Really strange, are there really so manny different ways to swing a club?

> And why is the most important one missing?

> I mean the one you could name "this is the way most professional golfplayers do it"

> The strange thing is you cant find that here or otherplace on internet, not even in any golfmagazine. Actually you cant find an article about how to make a normal full swing anywhere. Please prove me wrong.

 

Because there is not one single way to become efficient with a swing sequence. It's an effort in matching and sequencing components against an overall structure. If attached properly, even with parts seemingly out of compliance with the structural form, can lead to a nice drive.

 

[Babydaddy]

> @Krt22 said:

> I can see PGL up late last night, with a bottle of wild turkey and 2 packs american spirits, giggling to himself with each and every disagree click

 

That's one of the funnier things I've read in a while- well done!

[Golf_Goof]

> @"robert lind" said:

> Really strange, are there really so manny different ways to swing a club?

> And why is the most important one missing?

> I mean the one you could name "this is the way most professional golfplayers do it"

> The strange thing is you cant find that here or otherplace on internet, not even in any golfmagazine. Actually you cant find an article about how to make a normal full swing anywhere. Please prove me wrong.

The closest I've seen and tried is the Manuel De La Torre method. Never played better since adopting it.

 

[putts]

I pulled this site up expecting thoughtful avid players to discuss current swing philosophies be taught by top teachers teaching pros.  What a disappointment!  A total waste of 15 minutes!
 

[nsxguy]

On 10/23/2022 at 11:38 AM, putts said:

I pulled this site up expecting thoughtful avid players to discuss current swing philosophies be taught by top teachers teaching pros.  What a disappointment!  A total waste of 15 minutes!
 

 

"Current" swing philosophies ?

 

You woke up a 3 YEAR old thread.