LPGA distances vs average strong man on wRX

[Argonne69]

> @Shilgy said:

> > @"North Texas" said:

> > > @Shilgy said:

> > > I've always felt, in these type of conversations, that folks confuse "average" drive versus what the typical make "can do".

> > > Amateur golfer hits good ones 250-260 and says that's how far he hits his drives.

> > > LPGA player AVERAGES 265 And folks think that is as far as she can hit it. Her max in other words. But it's her average. So for every into the wind soggy fairway 245 she also hits one 285.

> > > It's just math.

> >

> > I put my drives in two categories.

> > 1. My average drive counting all drives.

> > 2. My average drive counting just my good drives.

> >

> > I only talk about #2 when telling people how far I hit the ball. Am I doing it wrong?

>

> You're doing it normal. But the professional stats include any duck hooks, shanks, 3 woods....

> If they professional stats were done the way #2 works they would most likely all go up 10-20 yards.

 

The daily driving averages are available by looking at the player's full scorecard, but it's not available in bulk. I'd love to get my hands on the full data set, and toss out the low averages for the week. I think you're right that the average would jump close to 10 yds. 20 yds would be possible if two of the four rounds had mishits. For example, Carlota averaged 242, 284, 275, and 267 for the week. Clearly the 242 is an outlier. Remove that, and she averages 275 for the week, and not 267.

 

I'd also like to toss out the long drives for the week, assuming other contributing factors. Morgan averaged 240, 231, 258, and 325 for the WBO. Don't know what she had for breakfast on Sunday, or her post round session with Martin Hull on Saturday was spectacular, but that 325 average was off the charts.

[Tasals]

> @agolf1 said:

> > @MtlJeff said:

> > A WNBA player would destroy me in 1 on 1 and I'm a good athlete who actually played college basketball (I am also 38 now, sooo)

> Interesting question as to what would be a more humbling experience for most. Getting waxed by a 5 foot 6 inch female on the course or getting worked over by some beast in the paint on the court?

 

If he played legitimate college ball, it wouldnt even be fair to the WNBA player if he was still in college shape. You realize that USWNT soccer plays U17 boys and loses, in several sports as well, Canada and the US Womens Hockey teams routinely train against U18 teams and have pretty abysmal records. Testosterone is that much of an advantage.

 

Golf sure because were all playing different tees to equalize genetic advantages, but competitive sports directly against someone, testosterone makes it an incredibly uneven playing field.

[North Texas]

> @Shilgy said:

> > @"North Texas" said:

> > > @Shilgy said:

> > > I've always felt, in these type of conversations, that folks confuse "average" drive versus what the typical make "can do".

> > > Amateur golfer hits good ones 250-260 and says that's how far he hits his drives.

> > > LPGA player AVERAGES 265 And folks think that is as far as she can hit it. Her max in other words. But it's her average. So for every into the wind soggy fairway 245 she also hits one 285.

> > > It's just math.

> >

> > I put my drives in two categories.

> > 1. My average drive counting all drives.

> > 2. My average drive counting just my good drives.

> >

> > I only talk about #2 when telling people how far I hit the ball. Am I doing it wrong?

>

> You're doing it normal. But the professional stats include any duck hooks, shanks, 3 woods....

> If they professional stats were done the way #2 works they would most likely all go up 10-20 yards.

 

I knew I wasn't going to like the answer, lol.

[MtlJeff]

> @Argonne69 said:

> > @Shilgy said:

> > > @"North Texas" said:

> > > > @Shilgy said:

> > > > I've always felt, in these type of conversations, that folks confuse "average" drive versus what the typical make "can do".

> > > > Amateur golfer hits good ones 250-260 and says that's how far he hits his drives.

> > > > LPGA player AVERAGES 265 And folks think that is as far as she can hit it. Her max in other words. But it's her average. So for every into the wind soggy fairway 245 she also hits one 285.

> > > > It's just math.

> > >

> > > I put my drives in two categories.

> > > 1. My average drive counting all drives.

> > > 2. My average drive counting just my good drives.

> > >

> > > I only talk about #2 when telling people how far I hit the ball. Am I doing it wrong?

> >

> > You're doing it normal. But the professional stats include any duck hooks, shanks, 3 woods....

> > If they professional stats were done the way #2 works they would most likely all go up 10-20 yards.

>

> The daily driving averages are available by looking at the player's full scorecard, but it's not available in bulk. I'd love to get my hands on the full data set, and toss out the low averages for the week. I think you're right that the average would jump close to 10 yds. 20 yds would be possible if two of the four rounds had mishits. For example, Carlota averaged 242, 284, 275, and 267 for the week. Clearly the 242 is an outlier. Remove that, and she averages 275 for the week, and not 267.

>

> I'd also like to toss out the long drives for the week, assuming other contributing factors. Morgan averaged 240, 231, 258, and 325 for the WBO. Don't know what she had for breakfast on Sunday, or her post round session with Martin Hull on Saturday was spectacular, but that 325 average was off the charts.

 

Over the full year though i think that a 10-20yd jump would be on the very high side. They are still pros and don't have a ton of mishits. The bigger issue would be people hitting 3 woods but i'd guess they pick holes where most hit driver.

 

I don't think an LPGA pro is hitting a lot of truly awful shots, like duck hooks that go 175yds or something. I probably only have like 1 or 2 of those all year and these girls are way better than me

[North Texas]

> @MtlJeff said:

> > @Argonne69 said:

> > > @Shilgy said:

> > > > @"North Texas" said:

> > > > > @Shilgy said:

> > > > > I've always felt, in these type of conversations, that folks confuse "average" drive versus what the typical make "can do".

> > > > > Amateur golfer hits good ones 250-260 and says that's how far he hits his drives.

> > > > > LPGA player AVERAGES 265 And folks think that is as far as she can hit it. Her max in other words. But it's her average. So for every into the wind soggy fairway 245 she also hits one 285.

> > > > > It's just math.

> > > >

> > > > I put my drives in two categories.

> > > > 1. My average drive counting all drives.

> > > > 2. My average drive counting just my good drives.

> > > >

> > > > I only talk about #2 when telling people how far I hit the ball. Am I doing it wrong?

> > >

> > > You're doing it normal. But the professional stats include any duck hooks, shanks, 3 woods....

> > > If they professional stats were done the way #2 works they would most likely all go up 10-20 yards.

> >

> > The daily driving averages are available by looking at the player's full scorecard, but it's not available in bulk. I'd love to get my hands on the full data set, and toss out the low averages for the week. I think you're right that the average would jump close to 10 yds. 20 yds would be possible if two of the four rounds had mishits. For example, Carlota averaged 242, 284, 275, and 267 for the week. Clearly the 242 is an outlier. Remove that, and she averages 275 for the week, and not 267.

> >

> > I'd also like to toss out the long drives for the week, assuming other contributing factors. Morgan averaged 240, 231, 258, and 325 for the WBO. Don't know what she had for breakfast on Sunday, or her post round session with Martin Hull on Saturday was spectacular, but that 325 average was off the charts.

>

> Over the full year though i think that a 10-20yd jump would be on the very high side. They are still pros and don't have a ton of mishits. The bigger issue would be people hitting 3 woods but i'd guess they pick holes where most hit driver.

>

> I don't think an LPGA pro is hitting a lot of truly awful shots, like duck hooks that go 175yds or something. I probably only have like 1 or 2 of those all year and these girls are way better than me

 

For me, that 10-20 yard difference is on the low side. Or more accurately, the way low side.

[MtlJeff]

> @Tasals said:

> > @agolf1 said:

> > > @MtlJeff said:

> > > A WNBA player would destroy me in 1 on 1 and I'm a good athlete who actually played college basketball (I am also 38 now, sooo)

> > Interesting question as to what would be a more humbling experience for most. Getting waxed by a 5 foot 6 inch female on the course or getting worked over by some beast in the paint on the court?

>

> If he played legitimate college ball, it wouldnt even be fair to the WNBA player if he was still in college shape. You realize that USWNT soccer plays U17 boys and loses, in several sports as well, Canada and the US Womens Hockey teams routinely train against U18 teams and have pretty abysmal records. Testosterone is that much of an advantage.

>

> Golf sure because were all playing different tees to equalize genetic advantages, but competitive sports directly against someone, testosterone makes it an incredibly uneven playing field.

 

Yes that's correct, i've read up on the subject a lot too (actually a book i've referenced many times here that is getting long in the tooth now called "Andy Roddick beat me with a frying pan" goes into this and a lot of other fun topics).

 

It's true that women's pro teams often play against 16yr old boys to train. I believe the famous USWNT featuring Mia Hamm and co often practiced against the 16 year old men's select teams.

 

BUT , a WNBA player would still murder me i'm guessing. I'm 38 and in really good shape, but i haven't been playing basketball a lot for 15 years. Give me a month to practice maybe i'd score a couple of points LOL. I guess if some chumps can score a few points against Brian Scalabrini in the "scallenge" (fun youtube watch) i might not totally embarrass myself

[MtlJeff]

> @"North Texas" said:

> > @MtlJeff said:

> > > @Argonne69 said:

> > > > @Shilgy said:

> > > > > @"North Texas" said:

> > > > > > @Shilgy said:

> > > > > > I've always felt, in these type of conversations, that folks confuse "average" drive versus what the typical make "can do".

> > > > > > Amateur golfer hits good ones 250-260 and says that's how far he hits his drives.

> > > > > > LPGA player AVERAGES 265 And folks think that is as far as she can hit it. Her max in other words. But it's her average. So for every into the wind soggy fairway 245 she also hits one 285.

> > > > > > It's just math.

> > > > >

> > > > > I put my drives in two categories.

> > > > > 1. My average drive counting all drives.

> > > > > 2. My average drive counting just my good drives.

> > > > >

> > > > > I only talk about #2 when telling people how far I hit the ball. Am I doing it wrong?

> > > >

> > > > You're doing it normal. But the professional stats include any duck hooks, shanks, 3 woods....

> > > > If they professional stats were done the way #2 works they would most likely all go up 10-20 yards.

> > >

> > > The daily driving averages are available by looking at the player's full scorecard, but it's not available in bulk. I'd love to get my hands on the full data set, and toss out the low averages for the week. I think you're right that the average would jump close to 10 yds. 20 yds would be possible if two of the four rounds had mishits. For example, Carlota averaged 242, 284, 275, and 267 for the week. Clearly the 242 is an outlier. Remove that, and she averages 275 for the week, and not 267.

> > >

> > > I'd also like to toss out the long drives for the week, assuming other contributing factors. Morgan averaged 240, 231, 258, and 325 for the WBO. Don't know what she had for breakfast on Sunday, or her post round session with Martin Hull on Saturday was spectacular, but that 325 average was off the charts.

> >

> > Over the full year though i think that a 10-20yd jump would be on the very high side. They are still pros and don't have a ton of mishits. The bigger issue would be people hitting 3 woods but i'd guess they pick holes where most hit driver.

> >

> > I don't think an LPGA pro is hitting a lot of truly awful shots, like duck hooks that go 175yds or something. I probably only have like 1 or 2 of those all year and these girls are way better than me

>

> For me, that 10-20 yard difference is on the low side. Or more accurately, the way low side.

 

I have a friend where if he took away bad shots it would probably jump 100yds LOL. But he is a 14 index right now i think. Hits a mammoth ball but several duck hooks

[Argonne69]

> @MtlJeff said:

> > @Argonne69 said:

> > > @Shilgy said:

> > > > @"North Texas" said:

> > > > > @Shilgy said:

> > > > > I've always felt, in these type of conversations, that folks confuse "average" drive versus what the typical make "can do".

> > > > > Amateur golfer hits good ones 250-260 and says that's how far he hits his drives.

> > > > > LPGA player AVERAGES 265 And folks think that is as far as she can hit it. Her max in other words. But it's her average. So for every into the wind soggy fairway 245 she also hits one 285.

> > > > > It's just math.

> > > >

> > > > I put my drives in two categories.

> > > > 1. My average drive counting all drives.

> > > > 2. My average drive counting just my good drives.

> > > >

> > > > I only talk about #2 when telling people how far I hit the ball. Am I doing it wrong?

> > >

> > > You're doing it normal. But the professional stats include any duck hooks, shanks, 3 woods....

> > > If they professional stats were done the way #2 works they would most likely all go up 10-20 yards.

> >

> > The daily driving averages are available by looking at the player's full scorecard, but it's not available in bulk. I'd love to get my hands on the full data set, and toss out the low averages for the week. I think you're right that the average would jump close to 10 yds. 20 yds would be possible if two of the four rounds had mishits. For example, Carlota averaged 242, 284, 275, and 267 for the week. Clearly the 242 is an outlier. Remove that, and she averages 275 for the week, and not 267.

> >

> > I'd also like to toss out the long drives for the week, assuming other contributing factors. Morgan averaged 240, 231, 258, and 325 for the WBO. Don't know what she had for breakfast on Sunday, or her post round session with Martin Hull on Saturday was spectacular, but that 325 average was off the charts.

>

> Over the full year though i think that a 10-20yd jump would be on the very high side. They are still pros and don't have a ton of mishits. The bigger issue would be people hitting 3 woods but i'd guess they pick holes where most hit driver.

>

> I don't think an LPGA pro is hitting a lot of truly awful shots, like duck hooks that go 175yds or something. I probably only have like 1 or 2 of those all year and these girls are way better than me

 

It's more likely a drive that finds the rough, and not a hook. They can get a ton of rollout in the fairway, but the rough can eat up the ball. That's why I think we see 20 to 30 yd differences between days when conditions are more or less the same.

[ChronicSlicer]

> @GoGoErky said:

> Ariya Jutanagarn doesn’t carry driver at all.

 

And she smokes her 3 wood farther than most hit driver, she also hits her 2 iron farther than some opponents drivers. Of course you can debate it, or just tune in sometime and watch for yourself ( Not intended for you GoGo )

[ChronicSlicer]

> @munichop said:

> Two weeks back when Lexi was in the mix they had shot tracer on and she carried a 3 wd 235 in the air. I looked at my wife and said it's official Lexi carries her 3 wd as far as I fly my driver. I think that is one reason why men don't watch women's golf. They don't want to be reminded how inadequate they are.

 

Back at the Meijer, Lexi's averages where 304,287,291 and 282 for an average of 291yds.

[Shilgy]

> @ChronicSlicer said:

> > @munichop said:

> > Two weeks back when Lexi was in the mix they had shot tracer on and she carried a 3 wd 235 in the air. I looked at my wife and said it's official Lexi carries her 3 wd as far as I fly my driver. I think that is one reason why men don't watch women's golf. They don't want to be reminded how inadequate they are.

>

> Back at the Meijer, Lexi's averages where 304,287,291 and 282 for an average of 291yds.

 

My manhood is offended.... The fairways must have been crispy and the tees up.

[North Texas]

> @Shilgy said:

> > @ChronicSlicer said:

> > > @munichop said:

> > > Two weeks back when Lexi was in the mix they had shot tracer on and she carried a 3 wd 235 in the air. I looked at my wife and said it's official Lexi carries her 3 wd as far as I fly my driver. I think that is one reason why men don't watch women's golf. They don't want to be reminded how inadequate they are.

> >

> > Back at the Meijer, Lexi's averages where 304,287,291 and 282 for an average of 291yds.

>

> My manhood is offended.... The fairways must have been crispy and the tees up.

 

The only time I've ever seen Lexi hit a ball in person was at Demo Day during the PGA Merchandise Show. I have never seen a female hit the ball like that. My mouth absolutely dropped. It was that impressive.

[munichop]

I watch the LPGA at Desert Ridge in March; the Founders- resort courses- 18 holes designed by Faldo, 18 by Palmer design. They use 9 from each course. The pros regularly shred par there. I have played both course. They are not as easy as the pros make them look. Golf is a lot easier when you hit it in the middle of the club face 90 % of the time. Their wedges are crazy good. Some times a 3 some will all have wedges and the worst shot will be 8 ft from the hole.

[cardoustie]

isn't Lexi one of the longest. Doesn't she swing 107 ish?

The math is easy. Lots of solid male am's swing 107 and carry it 265.

Longer top male pro's, 115-225

How much longer was Finau than Lexi in the Shark shootout when they were partners? 40 yards?

[grm24]

> @Argonne69 said:

> Another point about LPGA stats. Given that the driving average is calculated from only 2 holes, they use both drives each day regardless if it finds the fairway. This has a big effect on the overall average. **The men have ShotLink, and all drives are used.** >

 

The PGA Tour still uses two drives each round for their average driving distance. This is the number that is qouted when talking about PGA Tour driving distance leaders. Distance - Measured Drives.

https://www.pgatour.com/stats/stat.101.html

 

They do measure all tee shots and have a separate distance stati for that. Driving Distance - All Drives.

https://www.pgatour.com/stats/stat.317.html

 

 

 

[musclefront]

> @cardoustie said:

> isn't Lexi one of the longest. Doesn't she swing 107 ish?

> The math is easy. Lots of solid male am's swing 107 and carry it 265.

> Longer top male pro's, 115-225

> How much longer was Finau than Lexi in the Shark shootout when they were partners? 40 yards?

 

More like 100. But people can’t accept women hit it shorter than men. Facts hurt.

[Shilgy]

> @musclefront said:

> > @cardoustie said:

> > isn't Lexi one of the longest. Doesn't she swing 107 ish?

> > The math is easy. Lots of solid male am's swing 107 and carry it 265.

> > Longer top male pro's, 115-225

> > How much longer was Finau than Lexi in the Shark shootout when they were partners? 40 yards?

>

> More like 100. But people can’t accept women hit it shorter than men. Facts hurt.

 

L. O. L

Yes the women are shorter than their professional brethren on the PGA Tour. Shocking I know. And I know you're trolling with this comment. You do not AVERAGE 276 plus with 100mph club speed.

You remind me of a buddy here that averages about 240. Here is adamant that "no woman is longer" than he is.

[ChronicSlicer]

> @musclefront said:

 

> But people can’t accept women hit it shorter than men. Facts hurt.

 

I think what you meant to say was " Some men can't accept that women hit it farther than they do". Facts Hurt Pride.

[Bingo1976]

> @Shilgy said:

> I've always felt, in these type of conversations, that folks confuse "average" drive versus what the typical make "can do".

> Amateur golfer hits good ones 250-260 and says that's how far he hits his drives.

> LPGA player AVERAGES 265 And folks think that is as far as she can hit it. Her max in other words. But it's her average. So for every into the wind soggy fairway 245 she also hits one 285.

> It's just math.

 

I've always said that your real driving distance is what you would feel comfortable taking on as a forced carry....

[Raving Shanker]

In this discussion it is rarely asked whether we are talking average or best. A 2-handicapper at my club hits a decent share of stinkers. His usual best is probably 280 or so, but he hits a few 220's and less, and it is NOT intended. I think the female pros play the hole, and are not always interested in distance.

On my handicap of 47, my best is 270ish, but that's about 3 times a year (including twice yesterday!).

[MtlJeff]

These threads when we start talking about averages, I feel like we think pros never mishit balls , and that even good amateurs hit every second ball 75yds duck hooked into a tree.

 

If you are a decent player and play a course with no overhanging tree branches on the tee boxes etc....its really not that crazy to go a full season with maybe only 1 or 2 really skunky drives.

 

I have hit some overhanging trees, beyond that my shortest drive all year is maybe like 220.

[Shilgy]

> @MtlJeff said:

> These threads when we start talking about averages, I feel like we think pros never mishit balls , and that even good amateurs hit every second ball 75yds duck hooked into a tree.

>

> If you are a decent player and play a course with no overhanging tree branches on the tee boxes etc....its really not that crazy to go a full season with maybe only 1 or 2 really skunky drives.

>

> I have hit some overhanging trees, beyond that my shortest drive all year is maybe like 220.

 

Could be your for some of you. I'm currently at 3.8 index and probably have one or two per round. I know you're a good player but the long ladies, those over 270 average let's say, has guys saying "I can hit it that far" when they forget that that is not the ladies max, it's the average.

Not saying you but there are some very insecure men out there.

[musclefront]

> @ChronicSlicer said:

> > @musclefront said:

>

> > But people can’t accept women hit it shorter than men. Facts hurt.

>

> I think what you meant to say was " Some men can't accept that women hit it farther than they do". Facts Hurt Pride.

 

If that’s what I meant to say I would’ve said that but that is true for some men

[MtlJeff]

> @Shilgy said:

> > @MtlJeff said:

> > These threads when we start talking about averages, I feel like we think pros never mishit balls , and that even good amateurs hit every second ball 75yds duck hooked into a tree.

> >

> > If you are a decent player and play a course with no overhanging tree branches on the tee boxes etc....its really not that crazy to go a full season with maybe only 1 or 2 really skunky drives.

> >

> > I have hit some overhanging trees, beyond that my shortest drive all year is maybe like 220.

>

> Could be your for some of you. I'm currently at 3.8 index and probably have one or two per round. I know you're a good player but the long ladies, those over 270 average let's say, has guys saying "I can hit it that far" when they forget that that is not the ladies max, it's the average.

> Not saying you but there are some very insecure men out there.

 

I'm secure enough to say I'd hit it further than most women on the LPGA tour but they all would kick my a** at the end of the day!

[Shilgy]

> @MtlJeff said:

> > @Shilgy said:

> > > @MtlJeff said:

> > > These threads when we start talking about averages, I feel like we think pros never mishit balls , and that even good amateurs hit every second ball 75yds duck hooked into a tree.

> > >

> > > If you are a decent player and play a course with no overhanging tree branches on the tee boxes etc....its really not that crazy to go a full season with maybe only 1 or 2 really skunky drives.

> > >

> > > I have hit some overhanging trees, beyond that my shortest drive all year is maybe like 220.

> >

> > Could be your for some of you. I'm currently at 3.8 index and probably have one or two per round. I know you're a good player but the long ladies, those over 270 average let's say, has guys saying "I can hit it that far" when they forget that that is not the ladies max, it's the average.

> > Not saying you but there are some very insecure men out there.

>

> I'm secure enough to say I'd hit it further than most women on the LPGA tour but they all would kick my a** at the end of the day!

 

And we 100% believe you on both!!