Good takeaway thought?

[FormerBigDaddy]

“Keep club/shaft pointing at the target line”

 

I’ve tried this in the past but went about it the wrong way. Would like feedback on this thought. In my notes I wrote this:

 

“Turn torso on spine angle to start takeaway and begin hinging the wrists upward BEFORE the clubhead starts to come inside the ball/target line”

 

This movement is very unnatural for me and when I look back in a mirror I can do it but when I look down at the ball I find it very difficult timing wise. If I hinge too soon or too much the club/shaft points outside the ball/target line, too late or not enough and it points inside the line. So the thought above about where the club is pointing seems to help me with timing until this thing becomes more natural. The shoulder turn brings the hands in and the hinge keeps the club out and headed in the right direction while keeping it pointing at the ball/target line.

 

With this thought it seems as though I’m able to get into a good position at the end of the takeaway without looking back in a mirror and everything after that in the backswing seems to happen very naturally and ends with very good contact.

 

Thoughts?

 

[Mcgeeno]

I'm not a super technical expert, but I try and think "hands brush the thigh and club head stays out"

 

Similar to this:

 

[Zitlow]

> @FormerBigDaddy said:

> “Keep club/shaft pointing at the target line”

>

> I’ve tried this in the past but went about it the wrong way. Would like feedback on this thought. In my notes I wrote this:

>

> “Turn torso on spine angle to start takeaway and begin hinging the wrists upward BEFORE the clubhead starts to come inside the ball/target line”

>

> This movement is very unnatural for me and when I look back in a mirror I can do it but when I look down at the ball I find it very difficult timing wise. If I hinge too soon or too much the club/shaft points outside the ball/target line, too late or not enough and it points inside the line. So the thought above about where the club is pointing seems to help me with timing until this thing becomes more natural. The shoulder turn brings the hands in and the hinge keeps the club out and headed in the right direction while keeping it pointing at the ball/target line.

>

> With this thought it seems as though I’m able to get into a good position at the end of the takeaway without looking back in a mirror and everything after that in the backswing seems to happen very naturally and ends with very good contact.

>

> Thoughts?

>

 

If it works keep doing it but sounds contrived with no semblance of a blended motion.

[FormerBigDaddy]

> @Mcgeeno said:

> I'm not a super technical expert, but I try and think "hands brush the thigh and club head stays out"

>

> Similar to this:

>

>

 

I’m with you, great video and matches what I’m talking about in terms of execution. The phrase about where the club a pointing seems to help me with timing. I find that when I turn and then hinge up while keeping the club pointed at the target line I can seem to be able to stop my swing whenever for shorter shots. Which for me was nearly impossible before. This works for me even for chipping to half swings.

 

Anyone else think about where the club is pointing in the takeaway and how you do it?

 

 

[glk]

For takeaway club face can be okay to keep pointed a ball ( not target line) - club shaft no good . Danger is you can still move arms away from body doing either of these. Better to focus on tee drill ( or alignment stick as in corgorno video) - do it in pieces - hands to thigh stop then set club parallel. If you have trouble rotating your arms early you just have to do lots of this slow then building speed. Yes you can hit the ball with taking the arm outside but this often leads to too flat going back, arm lift, arms out of synch with body pivot, and too little or too much depth ( depending on how the arms get lifted). One or many of these make a consistent repeatable downswing difficult .

[FormerBigDaddy]

> @glk said:

> For takeaway club face can be okay to keep pointed a ball ( not target line) - club shaft no good . Danger is you can still move arms away from body doing either of these. Better to focus on tee drill ( or alignment stick as in corgorno video) - do it in pieces - hands to thigh stop then set club parallel. If you have trouble rotating your arms early you just have to do lots of this slow then building speed. Yes you can hit the ball with taking the arm outside but this often leads to too flat going back, arm lift, arms out of synch with body pivot, and too little or too much depth ( depending on how the arms get lifted). One or many of these make a consistent repeatable downswing difficult .

 

When I say ball line I mean a line running through the ball parallel to foot line. Target line is misleading. If i keep the club shaft pointing at this line it works out very much the same way as you describe and in the video above.

[glk]

> @FormerBigDaddy said:

> > @glk said:

> > For takeaway club face can be okay to keep pointed a ball ( not target line) - club shaft no good . Danger is you can still move arms away from body doing either of these. Better to focus on tee drill ( or alignment stick as in corgorno video) - do it in pieces - hands to thigh stop then set club parallel. If you have trouble rotating your arms early you just have to do lots of this slow then building speed. Yes you can hit the ball with taking the arm outside but this often leads to too flat going back, arm lift, arms out of synch with body pivot, and too little or too much depth ( depending on how the arms get lifted). One or many of these make a consistent repeatable downswing difficult .

>

> When I say ball line I mean a line running through the ball parallel to foot line. Target line is misleading. If i keep the club shaft pointing at this line it works out very much the same way as you describe and in the video above

 

Sounds like target line to me. Line thru ball parallel to feet - I assumed you line up square to the ball - unless you set the feet up open or closed to the target line or open or close face at setup ? I’m confused.

 

 

[FormerBigDaddy]

When viewed from behind, the shaft/club pointing at the target/ball line or whatever you want to call it would be traveling directing on the shaft plane established at address. Like I said I can do this no problem in a mirror but when looking down I need the visual reference for timing. So thinking about the club pointing at the ball/target line seems to work for me until the shaft is parallel to the ground. Then we should now be talking about the butt end pointing at the ball/target line. Yes?

[DaveMc82]

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I just imagine using the training aid as shown in the video. The imagined feel of the resistance is enough for me to maintain the correct angles.

 

There’s far more complicated ways to do it but I’ve found this by far and away the most effective.

[FormerBigDaddy]

> @Zitlow said:

> > @FormerBigDaddy said:

> > “Keep club/shaft pointing at the target line”

> >

> > I’ve tried this in the past but went about it the wrong way. Would like feedback on this thought. In my notes I wrote this:

> >

> > “Turn torso on spine angle to start takeaway and begin hinging the wrists upward BEFORE the clubhead starts to come inside the ball/target line”

> >

> > This movement is very unnatural for me and when I look back in a mirror I can do it but when I look down at the ball I find it very difficult timing wise. If I hinge too soon or too much the club/shaft points outside the ball/target line, too late or not enough and it points inside the line. So the thought above about where the club is pointing seems to help me with timing until this thing becomes more natural. The shoulder turn brings the hands in and the hinge keeps the club out and headed in the right direction while keeping it pointing at the ball/target line.

> >

> > With this thought it seems as though I’m able to get into a good position at the end of the takeaway without looking back in a mirror and everything after that in the backswing seems to happen very naturally and ends with very good contact.

> >

> > Thoughts?

> >

>

> If it works keep doing it but sounds contrived with no semblance of a blended motion.

 

I’m with you. It’s gonna take some time before it’s a blended motion. It really only feels blended when I practice in a mirror. I probably just need to take a million more swings that way and hope it becomes something ingrained and natural when I look down at the ball.

 

[benhays98]

I use a drill similar this move Mike Bender describes. A checkpoint for me, was a mirror check that no space appeared between my hands and hips from a DTL view, if that makes sense.

 

[LyinEye]

You are, or you are not.

[MountainGoat]

> @FormerBigDaddy said:

> “Turn torso on spine angle to start takeaway and begin hinging the wrists upward BEFORE the clubhead starts to come inside the ball/target line”

 

If I had to think of all that, I'd never be able to hit the ball. As far as I'm concerned, good takeaway is a function of good setup. That's it.

 

[FormerBigDaddy]

> @MountainGoat said:

> > @FormerBigDaddy said:

> > “Turn torso on spine angle to start takeaway and begin hinging the wrists upward BEFORE the clubhead starts to come inside the ball/target line”

>

> If I had to think of all that, I'd never be able to hit the ball. As far as I'm concerned, good takeaway is a function of good setup. That's it.

>

 

Well it’s not as easy for some of us. I wish it was.

[MountainGoat]

> @FormerBigDaddy said:

> > @MountainGoat said:

> > > @FormerBigDaddy said:

> > > “Turn torso on spine angle to start takeaway and begin hinging the wrists upward BEFORE the clubhead starts to come inside the ball/target line”

> >

> > If I had to think of all that, I'd never be able to hit the ball. As far as I'm concerned, good takeaway is a function of good setup. That's it.

> >

>

> Well it’s not as easy for some of us. I wish it was.

No, it's not. But, wait until you've had a few lessons and your helpful PGA Professional tells you how you "think too much".

 

[moehogan]