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Man those are strong! Pitching wedge looks like an 8 iron

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Is it me or do they have more offset this year. The 7 iron is really noticeable to me

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> @gsrjc said:

> The lofts are really strong. I don’t understand what TM means though in their article when they say the lofts have to be this strong to have a good ball flight. Is it because so much weight is needed by the tungsten but isn’t the overall head weight the same as if they used steel.

 

It's largely marketing with a dash of truth. Comparing loft for loft on these and a similar club from yester-year (maybe the 7 iron in these and a 5 iron in a similarly-intentioned set from the early 00's) will see these peak higher, but only by a few feet, not 20ft like they'd have you believe

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> @"Zach Heusser" said:

> Man those are strong! Pitching wedge looks like an 8 iron

 

Same lofts (3-PW) as the original 2017 P790 irons. Some irons a 1/4 inch longer. Some lies angles slightly different.

http://www.taylormadegolf.com/on/demandware.static/-/Sites-TMaG-Library/default/docs/productspecs/2017/P790%20Irons.pdf

 

https://www.taylormadegolf.com/P790-Irons/DW-AL464.html?lang=default

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Cleaner look especially the T logo, really like that. But lower screw & tungsten weight placement so it should be higher launch & probably a tad more forgiveness. I really don’t need more launch as I am already tweaking my Gen 1 P790 to be lower, damn Modus are too high at the moment. I like this Gen 2 though, well done TM

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> @gsrjc said:

> The lofts are really strong. I don’t understand what TM means though in their article when they say the lofts have to be this strong to have a good ball flight. Is it because so much weight is needed by the tungsten but isn’t the overall head weight the same as if they used steel.

 

These heads naturally have a higher launch angle because of two things: the speed pocket in the sole and the low CG (compared to a traditional irons). The lofts are strengthened to account for those factors so that TM can hit their desired launch window and also ensure an optimal descent angle to offset the reduction in spin.

 

It's not just about marketing. If you weaken the lofts to what everyone considers traditional lofts, these will launch very high and not perform as well as they do near their spec'd loft.

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> @jll62 said:

> > @gsrjc said:

> > The lofts are really strong. I don’t understand what TM means though in their article when they say the lofts have to be this strong to have a good ball flight. Is it because so much weight is needed by the tungsten but isn’t the overall head weight the same as if they used steel.

>

> These heads naturally have a higher launch angle because of two things: the speed pocket in the sole and the low CG (compared to a traditional irons). The lofts are strengthened to account for those factors so that TM can hit their desired launch window and also ensure an optimal descent angle to offset the reduction in spin.

>

> It's not just about marketing. If you weaken the lofts to what everyone considers traditional lofts, these will launch very high and not perform as well as they do near their spec'd loft.

 

Exactly, the lofts counter the tech to optimize flight.

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> @jll62 said:

>The lofts are strengthened to account for those factors so that TM can hit their desired **launch window** and also ensure an optimal **descent angle** to offset the reduction in spin.

 

That’s what always seems to get lost in these discussions about loft: loft is a means to an end, not the end itself. Launch angle and descent angle are the desired outcomes. Loft (along with CG) is just another variable to be manipulated to achieve proper launch and descent.

 

And if TM can manipulate CG and loft so that a 7 iron still launches, peaks, and descends like a 7 iron should, but goes further . . . why wouldn’t they?

 

With the advent of Trackman and multi-material head construction, loft numbers are largely irrelevant except when comparing one model to itself (e.g., M5 9* driver to M5 10.5* driver) for fitting purposes.

There are just too many variables between head models (e.g., blade vs. SGI) and companies (e.g., TM players iron vs Titleist players iron) to view loft as an apples to apples comparison anymore.

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Yes as to the lofts. I remember a designer saying the goal was a 7i that launched as high as a 7, carried like a 6, and was as easy to hit as an 8.

The tech balances the lofts to achieve the desired launch, height, spin, and distance. Shaft of course factors in as well.

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> @hankmoody said:

> I remember a designer saying the goal was a 7i that launched as high as a 7, carried like a 6, and was as easy to hit as an 8.

 

I would add “has a descent angle like a 7 iron.” Descent angle is arguably the most important factor when getting fit for irons. No point in having a 7 iron that flies high and carries far if you can’t stop it over a hazard onto a green with a front pin placement. If a 7 iron rolls out 30 feet past the pin because the angle of descent is too flat, then it’s not really useful as a 7 iron.

 

 

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> @EricWGolf said:

> > @hankmoody said:

> > I remember a designer saying the goal was a 7i that launched as high as a 7, carried like a 6, and was as easy to hit as an 8.

>

> I would add “has a descent angle like a 7 iron.” Descent angle is arguably the most important factor when getting fit for irons. No point in having a 7 iron that flies high and carries far if you can’t stop it over a hazard onto a green with a front pin placement. If a 7 iron rolls out 30 feet past the pin because the angle of descent is too flat, then it’s not really useful as a 7 iron.

>

>

 

100%. Eventually players are going to realize that the way to stop shots on the green is via descent angle, rather than spin. The OEMs already know this.

 

Every year I debate switching to what I like to call "point and shoot" irons like the P790. I've yet to pull the trigger, partially because I had a poor experience many years ago with the Callaway X-14 Pro and its hot spots, but mainly because I'm a plus handicap and my stupid ego is getting in the way. I am looking forward to hitting the new P790. I doubt I'd game it, but I want to give them a shot.

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Look really good...especially in the address position. My daughter plays a combo set of 770s/790s. I've hit last year's 790 model and was very impressed with flight, and especially feel considering they're a hollow bodied iron.

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Heard so many rave reviews of the original 790 but missed out on demo days. These look so similar but TM R &D continues to improve upon the face and overall construction. The $$$$ may keep me in the standard as opposed to the titanium 790.

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> @jll62 said:

> > @EricWGolf said:

> > > @hankmoody said:

> > > I remember a designer saying the goal was a 7i that launched as high as a 7, carried like a 6, and was as easy to hit as an 8.

> >

> > I would add “has a descent angle like a 7 iron.” Descent angle is arguably the most important factor when getting fit for irons. No point in having a 7 iron that flies high and carries far if you can’t stop it over a hazard onto a green with a front pin placement. If a 7 iron rolls out 30 feet past the pin because the angle of descent is too flat, then it’s not really useful as a 7 iron.

> >

> >

>

> 100%. Eventually players are going to realize that the way to stop shots on the green is via descent angle, rather than spin. The OEMs already know this.

>

> Every year I debate switching to what I like to call "point and shoot" irons like the P790. I've yet to pull the trigger, partially because I had a poor experience many years ago with the Callaway X-14 Pro and its hot spots, but mainly because I'm a plus handicap and my stupid ego is getting in the way. I am looking forward to hitting the new P790. I doubt I'd game it, but I want to give them a shot.

 

I know we’ve chatted before but I do think you get some workability with the P790, just nowhere near the amount you’d get with the 730 or 750, or the ones you’re currently gaming. For me, as my life has changed with a family now, I don’t get nearly the practice I used to, and the “point and shoot” when it needs to be works pretty well. With all the launch angle talk and them lowering the CG, I’m REALLY intrigued to try out the new UDI compared to my original. I currently use it off the tee but also it’s been a go-to second shot club into par 5’s and having a little higher launch might be right in my wheelhouse.

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These really look great, just not sure they are the best option for me unfortunately. Wish they made forgiving irons like these in a P760/770 profile with more normal lofts and higher cgs. It still cracks me up any time I think of P790s I just remember being at my local gg when these came out 2 years ago and a guy asked them to bend his set 3 degrees strong. Didn't think much of it at the time until I learned about insane lofts. Now I just have to laugh so hard at that any time I see these.

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> @Djuga06 said:

> I know we’ve chatted before but I do think you get some workability with the P790, just nowhere near the amount you’d get with the 730 or 750, or the ones you’re currently gaming. For me, as my life has changed with a family now, I don’t get nearly the practice I used to, and the “point and shoot” when it needs to be works pretty well. With all the launch angle talk and them lowering the CG, I’m REALLY intrigued to try out the new UDI compared to my original. I currently use it off the tee but also it’s been a go-to second shot club into par 5’s and having a little higher launch might be right in my wheelhouse.

 

The thing is, I'm basically a straight ball hitter. I don't see much curve and try not to work the ball too much, so on paper I should consider something along the lines of a P790. But I have a visual thing that's hard for me to get past. When I see that much club behind the ball, it doesn't end well. Maybe someday.

 

I've had the original UDI and this season the P790 UDI, but I'm definitely getting the new one. I also use it occasionally on second shots into par 5s, so I'll take a bit of higher launch if I can get it.

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> @jll62 said:

> > @Djuga06 said:

> > I know we’ve chatted before but I do think you get some workability with the P790, just nowhere near the amount you’d get with the 730 or 750, or the ones you’re currently gaming. For me, as my life has changed with a family now, I don’t get nearly the practice I used to, and the “point and shoot” when it needs to be works pretty well. With all the launch angle talk and them lowering the CG, I’m REALLY intrigued to try out the new UDI compared to my original. I currently use it off the tee but also it’s been a go-to second shot club into par 5’s and having a little higher launch might be right in my wheelhouse.

>

> The thing is, I'm basically a straight ball hitter. I don't see much curve and try not to work the ball too much, so on paper I should consider something along the lines of a P790. But I have a visual thing that's hard for me to get past. When I see that much club behind the ball, it doesn't end well. Maybe someday.

>

> I've had the original UDI and this season the P790 UDI, but I'm definitely getting the new one. I also use it occasionally on second shots into par 5s, so I'll take a bit of higher launch if I can get it.

 

How do you hit the udi if you can’t hit the other irons?

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> @BiggErn said:

> > @jll62 said:

> > The thing is, I'm basically a straight ball hitter. I don't see much curve and try not to work the ball too much, so on paper I should consider something along the lines of a P790. But I have a visual thing that's hard for me to get past. When I see that much club behind the ball, it doesn't end well. Maybe someday.

> >

> > I've had the original UDI and this season the P790 UDI, but I'm definitely getting the new one. I also use it occasionally on second shots into par 5s, so I'll take a bit of higher launch if I can get it.

>

> How do you hit the udi if you can’t hit the other irons?

 

Just a guess, but the same way that several of the staff guys hit the UDI and any one of several different player offerings for the rest of their irons?

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> @EricWGolf said:

> > @hankmoody said:

> > I remember a designer saying the goal was a 7i that launched as high as a 7, carried like a 6, and was as easy to hit as an 8.

>

> I would add “has a descent angle like a 7 iron.” Descent angle is arguably the most important factor when getting fit for irons. No point in having a 7 iron that flies high and carries far if you can’t stop it over a hazard onto a green with a front pin placement. If a 7 iron rolls out 30 feet past the pin because the angle of descent is too flat, then it’s not really useful as a 7 iron.

>

>

 

100% agree with this, but would like to add another question. If 7 flies like a 6, there are 2 ways to get there...either the PW flies like a 9 or the gaps are slightly larger. But because of the physics reasons stated in this thread, I agree that if you deloft these to match lofts with a combo, they'll just balloon and won't perform as expected.

I've never hit anything other than the demo 7 iron they have in stores, so I don't know how the 9 and PW perform, feel. I typically like to use my 9 and PW for chips, runners, flighted 3/4's, etc. quite a bit and like combo-ing a different smaller iron. For example, in 2014, I got 4-8 in MP54 and 9-PW in MP64.

So with the P790's, a 7 iron carries like a 7, flies like a 6 with a loft of 30.5. The P730 6 iron has a loft of....31. Is the answer to play PW, 9, 8, 7, 7, 6, 5?

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> @Djuga06 said:

> > @BiggErn said:

> > > @jll62 said:

> > > The thing is, I'm basically a straight ball hitter. I don't see much curve and try not to work the ball too much, so on paper I should consider something along the lines of a P790. But I have a visual thing that's hard for me to get past. When I see that much club behind the ball, it doesn't end well. Maybe someday.

> > >

> > > I've had the original UDI and this season the P790 UDI, but I'm definitely getting the new one. I also use it occasionally on second shots into par 5s, so I'll take a bit of higher launch if I can get it.

> >

> > How do you hit the udi if you can’t hit the other irons?

>

> Just a guess, but the same way that several of the staff guys hit the UDI and any one of several different player offerings for the rest of their irons?

 

I’m sure the staff guys don’t have supposed mental issues when it comes to hitting any club especially when it’s the same size as others that are supposedly “too big”.

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> @BiggErn said:

> > @Djuga06 said:

> > > @BiggErn said:

> > > > @jll62

> > > > I've had the original UDI and this season the P790 UDI, but I'm definitely getting the new one. I also use it occasionally on second shots into par 5s, so I'll take a bit of higher launch if I can get it.

> > >

> > > How do you hit the udi if you can’t hit the other irons?

> >

> > Just a guess, but the same way that several of the staff guys hit the UDI and any one of several different player offerings for the rest of their irons?

>

> I’m sure the staff guys don’t have supposed mental issues when it comes to hitting any club especially when it’s the same size as others that are supposedly “too big”.

 

I dunno the staff guys all have mental coaches and I once watched Hidecki's rep take a black marker to his driver head bc there was too much silver at the edge of the top line to his eye. Plus it's all personal preference and @jll62 is sub scratch.

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> @BiggErn said:

> I’m sure the staff guys don’t have supposed mental issues when it comes to hitting any club especially when it’s the same size as others that are supposedly “too big”.

 

 

So, you would feel comfortable hitting this iron set?:

 

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Because I wouldn’t, even though I carry a hybrid in my bag. Different players like seeing different profiles for clubs that serve different purposes. The UDI serves an different purpose than the P790 iron set.

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> @BiggErn said:

> > @jll62 said:

> > > @Djuga06 said:

> > > I know we’ve chatted before but I do think you get some workability with the P790, just nowhere near the amount you’d get with the 730 or 750, or the ones you’re currently gaming. For me, as my life has changed with a family now, I don’t get nearly the practice I used to, and the “point and shoot” when it needs to be works pretty well. With all the launch angle talk and them lowering the CG, I’m REALLY intrigued to try out the new UDI compared to my original. I currently use it off the tee but also it’s been a go-to second shot club into par 5’s and having a little higher launch might be right in my wheelhouse.

> >

> > The thing is, I'm basically a straight ball hitter. I don't see much curve and try not to work the ball too much, so on paper I should consider something along the lines of a P790. But I have a visual thing that's hard for me to get past. When I see that much club behind the ball, it doesn't end well. Maybe someday.

> >

> > I've had the original UDI and this season the P790 UDI, but I'm definitely getting the new one. I also use it occasionally on second shots into par 5s, so I'll take a bit of higher launch if I can get it.

>

> How do you hit the udi if you can’t hit the other irons?

 

Quite honestly, not as well off the turf as I'd like. > @BiggErn said:

> > @jll62 said:

> > > @Djuga06 said:

> > > I know we’ve chatted before but I do think you get some workability with the P790, just nowhere near the amount you’d get with the 730 or 750, or the ones you’re currently gaming. For me, as my life has changed with a family now, I don’t get nearly the practice I used to, and the “point and shoot” when it needs to be works pretty well. With all the launch angle talk and them lowering the CG, I’m REALLY intrigued to try out the new UDI compared to my original. I currently use it off the tee but also it’s been a go-to second shot club into par 5’s and having a little higher launch might be right in my wheelhouse.

> >

> > The thing is, I'm basically a straight ball hitter. I don't see much curve and try not to work the ball too much, so on paper I should consider something along the lines of a P790. But I have a visual thing that's hard for me to get past. When I see that much club behind the ball, it doesn't end well. Maybe someday.

> >

> > I've had the original UDI and this season the P790 UDI, but I'm definitely getting the new one. I also use it occasionally on second shots into par 5s, so I'll take a bit of higher launch if I can get it.

>

> How do you hit the udi if you can’t hit the other irons?

 

Mostly off the tee. I do play the UDI on 2nd shots into par 5s occasionally, but it primarily goes in the bag on courses where I have to hit a tee shot or two into a 235-250 area (tends to be 90% of the courses I play). I've just always had issues with long irons when they're a bit chunky with wide soles and I can see the back of the club sticking out from behind the top line at address.

 

Going back to my original point, I often think the game would be easier for me if I just got rid of players irons entirely and went to something like the P790, but it hasn't been a fit. I do pretty well with what I have, so there hasn't been a large need to change.

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So if they strengthen the lofts to create launch like a normally numbered club, then what exactly is the point of this club again other than to make one feel like they are hitting a 7 iron further than an old seven iron, and most likely, with far less spin?

 

A guy I play with who is a good player uses these and I must say, his ball light is so much worse now it is ridiculous. Maybe he doesn't swing hard enough but he just hits low balls with no spin

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      New Super Stoke Pistol Lock 1.0 & 2.0 grips - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      LA Golf new insert putter - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      New Garsen Quad Tour 15 grip - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      New Swag covers - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Jacob Bridgeman's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Bud Cauley's custom Cameron putters - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Ryo Hisatsune's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Chris Kirk - new black Callaway Apex CB irons and a few Odyssey putters - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Alejandro Tosti's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Cognizant Classic
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
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    • 2024 Genesis Invitational - Discussion and Links to Photos
      Please put any questions or comments here
       
       
       
      General Albums
       
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Monday #1
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Monday #2
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Tuesday #1
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Tuesday #2
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Tuesday #3
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Tuesday #4
       
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
      Rory McIlroy - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Sepp Straka - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Patrick Rodgers - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Brendon Todd - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Denny McCarthy - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Corey Conners - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Chase Johnson - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tommy Fleetwood - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Matt Fitzpatrick - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Si Woo Kim - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Viktor Hovland - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Wyndham Clark - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Cam Davis - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Nick Taylor - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Ben Baller WITB update (New putter, driver, hybrid and shafts) – 2024 Genesis Invitational
       
       
       
       
       
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      New Vortex Golf rangefinder - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      New Fujikura Ventus shaft - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods & TaylorMade "Sun Day Red" apparel launch event, product photos – 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods Sun Day Red golf shoes - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Aretera shafts - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      New Toulon putters - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods' new white "Sun Day Red" golf shoe prototypes – 2024 Genesis Invitational
       
       
       
       
       
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    • 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open - Discussion and Links to Photos
      Please put and questions or comments here
       
       
       
       
      General Albums
       
      2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open - Monday #1
      2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open - Monday #2
       
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
      Ben Taylor - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Garrick Higgo - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Billy Horschel - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Justin Lower - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Lanto Griffin - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Bud Cauley - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Corbin Burnes (2021 NL Cy Young) - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Greyson Sigg - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Charley Hoffman - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Nico Echavarria - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Victor Perez - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Sami Valimaki - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Ryo Hisatsune - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
       
       
       
       
       
       
      Pullout Albums
       
      Jake Knapp's custom Cameron putters - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      New Cameron putters - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Tyler Duncan's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Greyson Sigg's custom Cameron putters - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Sunjae Im's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Ping's Waste Management putter covers - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Vincent Whaley's custom Cameron - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Odyssey Waste Management putter covers - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Super Stroke custom grips - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Cameron putters - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Zac Blair's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Bettinardi Waste Management putter covers - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
       
       
       
       
       
       

       
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