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Geez...I didn't even realize that the FedEx cup gave starting strokes...guess that tells you how engaged I am in the whole thing. I will agree...starting strokes is a gutsy call and it avoids the awkward two trophy ceremony but giving starting strokes kind'a feels slimy to me....I know it's an incentive, but just rubs me the wrong way.

 

The problem with golf as it winds down toward fall is that after the last major...it feels like all the "important" events are done and most of the country is getting focused on NFL and CFB. FedEx Cup was invented to help try to generate interest during this time, but I always felt that year-long points accumulation was hard to follow and runs into the potential issue of the winner being decided before the final round/event (anti-climatic). I do think year round performance should be rewarded, but in mind, the year long performance (FedEx Cup Pts) should be used to qualify your into the final events (which it did do) and then use each of the last events to further whittle the field for the final event (again which it did)...then let the final event be a go for broke tournament (stroke play, match play, whatever) with the largest payout vs. the whole accumulated points. In my mind...it would make the Tour Championship the hardest event to qualify for with the highest payout. It rewards year round performance because it's required to qualify, but makes the final event a spectacle to watch (much like the majors and to a lesser degree the WGC events).

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I know this would never fly, because... ratings, money, more weeks = more money, etc.

 

However, as a fan of golf and watching all tours on TV, I think the season long points could get you to the top 150/125, whatever (no cut, play all 4 rounds). Play 1 tournament to get down to the Top 64 (tie breakers/playoffs to get into the Top 64 could be good TV). Top 64 match play (seeding based on season long performance, maybe add a points bonus kicker for the 1st tournament of Fed Ex Cup too). Play it out for the eventual winner (just like March Madness). Might make Dell mad though. :wink:

 

I am aware that match play is not big for ratings, just speaking as a fan of the game and what would be meaningful to me. The champ would really be the champ, and only one champ (not a Tour Champ winner and Fed Ex Cup Champ). No gimmicks. Rotate the courses to great venues each year too. 2 weeks only.

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> > > > > > > > > > > I don’t get all the FedEx Cup hate either.

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> > > > > > > > > > > “It is a cash grab”.

> > > > > > > > > > > Well, duh. It is professional sports.

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> > > > > > > > > > > “It is a handicapped event”

> > > > > > > > > > > No, it is a cumulative total and the Tour Championship is no longer a stand-alone tournament. This is good, because 30 man fields are stupid.

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> > > > > > > > > > The final is a limited field, handicapped event. The FedExCup leader heading to the TOUR Championship will start at 10-under, second place at 8-under, third 7-under, fourth 6-under and fifth at 5-under. Players ranked 6-10 will start at 4-under, 11-15 at 3-under, 16-20 at 2-under, 21-25 at 1-under and 26-30 at even par.

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> > > > > > > > > The term "handicapped" is being misused. The purpose of a golf handicap is to allow players of different ability levels to compete on more-or-less equal terms.

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> > > > > > > > > Fedex Starting Strokes are a way to combine regular season, playoff, and Tour Championship performance into a single number that can be easily tracked by fans.

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> > > > > > > > Call it what you will. But you’re still giving strokes for a head start. Same same.

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> > > > > > > > Flip of to the football analogy. Let’s say you’re at the super bowl. One team wins by 14. But the other team is crowned the super bowl champion because of season long points total . How happy are fans ?

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> > > > > > > > It should be a qualifier for season long to get into playoffs. Then 4 week cumulative tournament. Winner take all.

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> > > > > > > We'll see how this goes. I appreciate the creativity and the fact that the winner is the winner of the whole thing. If you didn't give strokes like this, it would be a lot less fair to the players that kicked butt in the first two playoffs.

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> > > > > > Eh. Fair is winning. You can possibly have a winner who plays well first Two then leaks oil to win by holding on for a shot. That’s not really a deserving winner in my book if he pencil whips his way to victory against a guy who shoots low numbers at the end when it should matter most.

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> > > > > > This is why I hate change. We always have to suffer through 10 years of testing before they land in the sweet spot.

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> > > > > > You’re leaving room for the asterisk to be added to someone’s win in most people’s minds.

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> > > > > The leader only has a 2 shot lead. Over 72 holes that's practically nothing. It would be hard to leak any sort of serious oil and still hang on as the winner. I'm sure it's been posted somewhere in this thread but for easy reference:

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> > > > > FedExCup rank

> > > > > entering East Lake Starting

> > > > > Strokes

> > > > > No. 1 10 under

> > > > > No. 2 8 under

> > > > > No. 3 7 under

> > > > > No. 4 6 under

> > > > > No. 5 5 under

> > > > > Nos. 6-10 4 under

> > > > > Nos. 11-15 3 under

> > > > > Nos. 16-20 2 under

> > > > > Nos. 21-25 1 under

> > > > > Nos. 26-30 Even par

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> > > > That’s assuming that the only true challenger can be the #2 or 3 guy. Sure. 2 shots. But even 2 is huge. Huge. Huge. Anybody here who plays competitive... think of the group you play against regularly. How many will you spot 2 shots to ? I’d guess everybody’s going to say none. It will take a guy shooting 62 or 63 to have any chance at winning . ( unless you’re Brooks). Mark it down.

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> > > Over 72 holes, two strokes is "huge?" And, if there are no serious challengers in, say, the top 5, then even with leaking a bit of oil I'd argue he deserves to be the winner. I'll just agree to disagree but, yeah, honestly, I've never played competitive golf so I'm interested in others' opinions on this.

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> > True. Over 72 it’s lessened a bit. I was thinking 18.

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> > But still. The idea of giving shots goes against the mind of any Player.

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> > So you might have a guy shoot 16 under for 4 days and lose to a guy who’s -7 on the card for the week. I just see loads of room for epic fail here.

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> > It’s a case of fixing something that wasn’t broken.

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> The point you seem to be missing is that in the former scenario, the fed ex leader got a head start as well through the points system and didn't have to shoot the best score in the last tourney to win. The scenario you described above could happen in the old format. So, that's why I'm not sure what you're arguing the format should be.

 

THIS... the move to strokes is only eliminating the points system where we needed Steve Sand and a calculator every other hole the final day running what if's and calculating points based on who finishes where. the new strokes system simply gives similar lead to the top seeded players in the form of strokes. We now will be able to easily see on sunday exactly what it takes a player to do to win...and the actual players will also know.

 

 

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> @chigolfer1 said:

 

 

> Ah, fair enough. I didn't understand that was the angle you were coming from but, yeah, the winner of the event doesn't have to shoot the lowest score.

 

Which is why the final event needs to be 3 rounds of stroke play using the current stroke scoring system....and then the final round being match play event...a morning and afternoon match play event between players finishing 1-4. we have to get to a point the overall winner wins that week as well. this format begs for match play if you limit the size of field to top 1-4 or 1-8. you then are nearly guaranteed the final to be top names unlike the dell match play format when starting with 64 players.

 

Just look at the final top eight after the final events first 3 rounds and imagine any 1v1 match play scenario playing for 10M.... against the current system we have in place.

 

even better... add one additional week and take the final top 4 to shadow creek and make the championship match a primetime match play event.

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For the most part I really don't "care" who wins any tournament. Just hoping for an intriguing leaderboard and a close finish

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> @manku said:

> Jay Monahan has said one reason for the changes to the Fedex Cup is to keep fans engaged etc...

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> Does anyone care who wins this, except for the players and their inner circle? Or perhaps fantasy players?

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> There will now be a bonus for top 10 regular season points...I personally can't imagine caring or following this. Am I supposed to be excited that DJ just earned an extra 500K?

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> Ditto regarding the Tour Championship...which will now be handicapped.

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> The Masters, arguably the most prestigious golf tournament in the world, goes out of it's way not to mention money.

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> The PGA goes the other direction.

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> Doesn't make me feel good paying $6 for bottled water and $14 for a beer!

 

> @manku said:

> Jay Monahan has said one reason for the changes to the Fedex Cup is to keep fans engaged etc...

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> Does anyone care who wins this, except for the players and their inner circle? Or perhaps fantasy players?

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> There will now be a bonus for top 10 regular season points...I personally can't imagine caring or following this. Am I supposed to be excited that DJ just earned an extra 500K?

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> Ditto regarding the Tour Championship...which will now be handicapped.

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> The Masters, arguably the most prestigious golf tournament in the world, goes out of it's way not to mention money.

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> The PGA goes the other direction.

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> Doesn't make me feel good paying $6 for bottled water and $14 for a beer!

 

For the most part, a boring bunch of no names. If you got time to waste on this, you have my sympathies. But at least it keeps some of you off the streets,

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> I know this would never fly, because... ratings, money, more weeks = more money, etc.

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> However, as a fan of golf and watching all tours on TV, I think the season long points could get you to the top 150/125, whatever (no cut, play all 4 rounds). Play 1 tournament to get down to the Top 64 (tie breakers/playoffs to get into the Top 64 could be good TV). Top 64 match play (seeding based on season long performance, maybe add a points bonus kicker for the 1st tournament of Fed Ex Cup too). Play it out for the eventual winner (just like March Madness). Might make Dell mad though. :wink:

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> I am aware that match play is not big for ratings, just speaking as a fan of the game and what would be meaningful to me. The champ would really be the champ, and only one champ (not a Tour Champ winner and Fed Ex Cup Champ). No gimmicks. Rotate the courses to great venues each year too. 2 weeks only.

 

I would like to see match play the first three rounds of the Tour Championship, then stroke play the final round.

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I enjoy all the events throughout the year and seeing who wins those so its really not a big deal to me who wins the compilation of Fedex points at the end. Basically every year it comes down to the guys who have dominated all year so its all gravy at that point watching them battle it out.

 

That being said, watching the qschool/kft finals and all that stress is FAR more riveting to me. Man is that intense and impressive.

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I've always liked the FedEx Cup - though I do like it better that it's shortened to three events. In the past, I always felt like by the third event it had peaked and the wait to the Tour Championship made it lose some momentum.

 

Also, is there a better alternative? It seems like people just want the four majors and nothing else nowadays, including some of the players.

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> > @cmb71 said:

> > I know this would never fly, because... ratings, money, more weeks = more money, etc.

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> > However, as a fan of golf and watching all tours on TV, I think the season long points could get you to the top 150/125, whatever (no cut, play all 4 rounds). Play 1 tournament to get down to the Top 64 (tie breakers/playoffs to get into the Top 64 could be good TV). Top 64 match play (seeding based on season long performance, maybe add a points bonus kicker for the 1st tournament of Fed Ex Cup too). Play it out for the eventual winner (just like March Madness). Might make Dell mad though. :wink:

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> > I am aware that match play is not big for ratings, just speaking as a fan of the game and what would be meaningful to me. The champ would really be the champ, and only one champ (not a Tour Champ winner and Fed Ex Cup Champ). No gimmicks. Rotate the courses to great venues each year too. 2 weeks only.

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> I would like to see match play the first three rounds of the Tour Championship, then stroke play the final round.

 

i disagree... early round match play then increase the likelihood of top guys getting knocked out....even if they have a good round and a lesser player gets hots. stroke play early the match play gives us a greater chance that we end up with rory vs koepka in the finals for 10M.

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> @HoosierMizuno said:

> > @LICC said:

> > > @cmb71 said:

> > > I know this would never fly, because... ratings, money, more weeks = more money, etc.

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> > > However, as a fan of golf and watching all tours on TV, I think the season long points could get you to the top 150/125, whatever (no cut, play all 4 rounds). Play 1 tournament to get down to the Top 64 (tie breakers/playoffs to get into the Top 64 could be good TV). Top 64 match play (seeding based on season long performance, maybe add a points bonus kicker for the 1st tournament of Fed Ex Cup too). Play it out for the eventual winner (just like March Madness). Might make Dell mad though. :wink:

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> > > I am aware that match play is not big for ratings, just speaking as a fan of the game and what would be meaningful to me. The champ would really be the champ, and only one champ (not a Tour Champ winner and Fed Ex Cup Champ). No gimmicks. Rotate the courses to great venues each year too. 2 weeks only.

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> > I would like to see match play the first three rounds of the Tour Championship, then stroke play the final round.

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> i disagree... early round match play then increase the likelihood of top guys getting knocked out....even if they have a good round and a lesser player gets hots. stroke play early the match play gives us a greater chance that we end up with rory vs koepka in the finals for 10M.

 

You would be down to the top 32 or so players at that point anyway. The chances that all the top 8-10 players would get knocked out is likely similar to the chances that the top 8-10 players all don’t play well in stroke play and are non- factors on Sunday too

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> @Titleist99 said:> I'm just trying to figure out who this vast majority of golf fans is that you speak of. Most of my friends are embracing the FedEx playoffs and The Cup. The only thing that they're guilty of is trying to make it too perfect...which they never will.

 

Most of my friends couldn't care less who wins the cup. The only thing they are guilty of is looking forward to next years majors which are the only events that really matter.

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The Tour is obviously hyping the FedEx Cup this year to a much higher level.

I've got to believe it's because FedEx is wanting more exposure for their buck instead of it being a background, by-the-way, award.

But, if it's the Tour overestimating our interest in it, they're proving once again how out of touch they are with the fans.

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It seems that on WRX there can only be two schools, for or against. But I'm willing to bet that the vast majority are taking the middle ground.

 

There are two tremendous tournaments taking place, The Northern Trust and The BMW, both have stellar fields and both have superb venues (Liberty for the views if nothing else). These two events can be taken in isolation and enjoyed for what they are, top class golf tournaments.

 

The Tour Championship is slightly different in that while it will be a stellar field it is an extremely limited one, but the quality of the golf should in theory be significantly higher. Quality of courses is a subjective matter and East Lake doesn't particularly float my boat, but it will not detract from the quality of the golf.

 

Which leads me to the Fed-Ex Cup. While I will watch all of the golf I will have zero interest in the standings or the outcome of the Fed-Ex Cup. I noticed the changes in position up on the screen during this weeks broadcast but I didn't register them . I know that the final is handicapped and I know that there are 10 shots involved but I don't know how they will be applied, it may become unintentionally apparent during the TC. The fact is I'm just not engaged with the outcome of something that I don't find particularly relevant.

 

So in a nutshell, a person can just enjoy the golf, enjoy both that and the supplementary competition that is the FX Cup or if none of this is doing anything for you why not go out and enjoy a round, next April is only 8 months away.

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I'm interested who wins but the interest levels aren't even close to comparable to majors, Players etc.

 

The Tour Championship needs to renamed the FedEx Cup Final or something and just play it as the winner takes all event. They can't have the Tour Championship event as a handicapped golf tournament its a joke. I totally get the winner takes all format and I'm all for it as a way to wrap up the playoffs but I have problem with a handicapped tournament (Tour Championship), it being awarded OWGR points, counting as an official win etc.

 

Will be interesting to see what happens. If a lot of the top players coming into the playoffs get displaced from their high positions and miss out in the big bonus money we might hear some grumbles.

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i'd say the fed ex playoffs have a problem if myself and i'm sure many others who love watching golf found the KornFerry final tournament much more interesting and more watchable. Maybe its partly because cbs coverage is awful along with gary mcCord....but these fedex playoffs couldn't be less interesting.

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> @HoosierMizuno said:

> i'd say the fed ex playoffs have a problem if myself and i'm sure many others who love watching golf found the KornFerry final tournament much more interesting and more watchable. Maybe its partly because cbs coverage is awful along with gary mcCord....but these fedex playoffs couldn't be less interesting.

 

Just keep voting with our feet (remotes) and maybe something will change.

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> @nichho said:

> It seems that on WRX there can only be two schools, for or against. But I'm willing to bet that the vast majority are taking the middle ground.

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> There are two tremendous tournaments taking place, The Northern Trust and The BMW, both have stellar fields and both have superb venues (Liberty for the views if nothing else). These two events can be taken in isolation and enjoyed for what they are, top class golf tournaments.

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> The Tour Championship is slightly different in that while it will be a stellar field it is an extremely limited one, but the quality of the golf should in theory be significantly higher. Quality of courses is a subjective matter and East Lake doesn't particularly float my boat, but it will not detract from the quality of the golf.

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> Which leads me to the Fed-Ex Cup. While I will watch all of the golf I will have zero interest in the standings or the outcome of the Fed-Ex Cup. I noticed the changes in position up on the screen during this weeks broadcast but I didn't register them . I know that the final is handicapped and I know that there are 10 shots involved but I don't know how they will be applied, it may become unintentionally apparent during the TC. The fact is I'm just not engaged with the outcome of something that I don't find particularly relevant.

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> So in a nutshell, a person can just enjoy the golf, enjoy both that and the supplementary competition that is the FX Cup or if none of this is doing anything for you why not go out and enjoy a round, next April is only 8 months away.

 

This pretty much nailed how I feel, even though I watch very little of pro golf in general. The tournaments themselves are great with great fields but the whole faux drama over who wins the FC is ridiculous and many of us could care less about.

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> > @nichho said:

> > It seems that on WRX there can only be two schools, for or against. But I'm willing to bet that the vast majority are taking the middle ground.

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> > There are two tremendous tournaments taking place, The Northern Trust and The BMW, both have stellar fields and both have superb venues (Liberty for the views if nothing else). These two events can be taken in isolation and enjoyed for what they are, top class golf tournaments.

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> > The Tour Championship is slightly different in that while it will be a stellar field it is an extremely limited one, but the quality of the golf should in theory be significantly higher. Quality of courses is a subjective matter and East Lake doesn't particularly float my boat, but it will not detract from the quality of the golf.

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> > Which leads me to the Fed-Ex Cup. While I will watch all of the golf I will have zero interest in the standings or the outcome of the Fed-Ex Cup. I noticed the changes in position up on the screen during this weeks broadcast but I didn't register them . I know that the final is handicapped and I know that there are 10 shots involved but I don't know how they will be applied, it may become unintentionally apparent during the TC. The fact is I'm just not engaged with the outcome of something that I don't find particularly relevant.

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> > So in a nutshell, a person can just enjoy the golf, enjoy both that and the supplementary competition that is the FX Cup or if none of this is doing anything for you why not go out and enjoy a round, next April is only 8 months away.

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> This pretty much nailed how I feel, even though I watch very little of pro golf in general. The tournaments themselves are great with great fields but the whole faux drama over who wins the FC is ridiculous and many of us could care less about.

 

Correct, and that's kind of what has been said in this thread a few times. The actual winner of the, now, $15M doesn't really matter, but watching a bunch of the top guys on tour play for 3 weeks, does.

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    • 2024 Valspar Championship WITB Photos (Thanks to bvmagic)- Discussion & Links to Photos
      This weeks WITB Pics are from member bvmagic (Brian). Brian's first event for WRX was in 2008 at Bayhill while in college. Thanks so much bv.
       
      Please put your comments or question on this thread. Links to all the threads are below...
       
       
       
       
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    • 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational - Discussion and Links to Photos
      Please put any questions or comments here
       
       
       
      General Albums
       
      2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational - Monday #1
      2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational - Monday #2
      2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational - Monday #3
       
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
      Matt (LFG) Every - WITB - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
      Sahith Theegala - WITB - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
       
       
       
       
       
      Pullout Albums
       
      New Cameron putters (and new "LD" grip) - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
      New Bettinardi MB & CB irons - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
      Custom Bettinardi API putter cover - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
      Custom Swag API covers - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
      New Golf Pride Reverse Taper grips - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
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    • 2024 Cognizant Classic - Discussion and Links to Photos
      Please put any questions or comments here
       
       
       
       
      General Albums
       
      2024 Cognizant Classic - Monday #1
      2024 Cognizant Classic - Monday #2
      2024 Cognizant Classic - Monday #3
      2024 Cognizant Classic - Monday #4
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
      Brandt Snedeker - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Max Greyserman - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Eric Cole - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Carl Yuan - WITb - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Russell Henley - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Justin Sun - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Alex Noren - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Shane Lowry - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Taylor Montgomery - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Jake Knapp (KnappTime_ltd) - WITB - - 2024 Cognizant Classic
       
       
       
      Pullout Albums
       
      New Super Stoke Pistol Lock 1.0 & 2.0 grips - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      LA Golf new insert putter - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      New Garsen Quad Tour 15 grip - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      New Swag covers - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Jacob Bridgeman's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Bud Cauley's custom Cameron putters - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Ryo Hisatsune's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Chris Kirk - new black Callaway Apex CB irons and a few Odyssey putters - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Alejandro Tosti's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Cognizant Classic
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
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    • 2024 Genesis Invitational - Discussion and Links to Photos
      Please put any questions or comments here
       
       
       
      General Albums
       
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Monday #1
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Monday #2
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Tuesday #1
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Tuesday #2
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Tuesday #3
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Tuesday #4
       
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
      Rory McIlroy - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Sepp Straka - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Patrick Rodgers - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Brendon Todd - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Denny McCarthy - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Corey Conners - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Chase Johnson - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tommy Fleetwood - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Matt Fitzpatrick - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Si Woo Kim - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Viktor Hovland - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Wyndham Clark - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Cam Davis - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Nick Taylor - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Ben Baller WITB update (New putter, driver, hybrid and shafts) – 2024 Genesis Invitational
       
       
       
       
       
      Pullout Albums
       
      New Vortex Golf rangefinder - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      New Fujikura Ventus shaft - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods & TaylorMade "Sun Day Red" apparel launch event, product photos – 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods Sun Day Red golf shoes - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Aretera shafts - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      New Toulon putters - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods' new white "Sun Day Red" golf shoe prototypes – 2024 Genesis Invitational
       
       
       
       
       
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