New TM p790 irons ???

[jay_dwight]

> @SoloShot84 said:

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> Man thank you for your pictures!

> can you post more in-depth comparison picture with P760 please?

> possiblely 4irons?

> I am on market for 4 iron to blend with my P760/P730 combo set

 

I only have the 790 in 7 iron demo head.

I have 790-760-730 combo set. The 790’s and 760’s blend VERY well.

[JStang]

I tried the original P790 and didn't like the feel. Youtube reviews say these have much better sound/feel so I'm looking forward to checking them out.

[SoloShot84]

> @jay_dwight said:

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> > Man thank you for your pictures!

> > can you post more in-depth comparison picture with P760 please?

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> > I am on market for 4 iron to blend with my P760/P730 combo set

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> I only have the 790 in 7 iron demo head.

> I have 790-760-730 combo set. The 790’s and 760’s blend VERY well.

 

oh man I really can't wait till I order 4 iron separately (if they let me)

[JDIL]

> @jay_dwight said:

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> > > Comparison pics of 790’s as well as with 760.

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> > Man thank you for your pictures!

> > can you post more in-depth comparison picture with P760 please?

> > possiblely 4irons?

> > I am on market for 4 iron to blend with my P760/P730 combo set

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> I only have the 790 in 7 iron demo head.

> I have 790-760-730 combo set. The 790’s and 760’s blend VERY well.

 

What should the lofts be adjusted to to blend the 790/760? Where do you switch? Thinking 5-7 in the 790 and 8-pw in 760. Or maybe 8/9.

[agood3putt]

Has anyone compared the Apex CF'19 versus the First Gen 790s and can give their thoughts? thanks!

[jay_dwight]

> @jdang307 said:

> > @jay_dwight said:

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> > > Man thank you for your pictures!

> > > can you post more in-depth comparison picture with P760 please?

> > > possiblely 4irons?

> > > I am on market for 4 iron to blend with my P760/P730 combo set

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> > I only have the 790 in 7 iron demo head.

> > I have 790-760-730 combo set. The 790’s and 760’s blend VERY well.

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> What should the lofts be adjusted to to blend the 790/760? Where do you switch? Thinking 5-7 in the 790 and 8-pw in 760. Or maybe 8/9.

 

I went:

4-5 790 - 1.5 Degrees Weak

6-8 760 - Standard

9-PW - 2 Degrees Strong

 

[wilton]

When are these available?

[mBiden2]

> @jay_dwight said:

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> > > > Man thank you for your pictures!

> > > > can you post more in-depth comparison picture with P760 please?

> > > > possiblely 4irons?

> > > > I am on market for 4 iron to blend with my P760/P730 combo set

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> > > I only have the 790 in 7 iron demo head.

> > > I have 790-760-730 combo set. The 790’s and 760’s blend VERY well.

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> > What should the lofts be adjusted to to blend the 790/760? Where do you switch? Thinking 5-7 in the 790 and 8-pw in 760. Or maybe 8/9.

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> I went:

> 4-5 790 - 1.5 Degrees Weak

> 6-8 760 - Standard

> 9-PW - 2 Degrees Strong

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I’ve been thinking of doing this same combo, but going 8-pw in 730s. You think the same loft adjustment would work?

[BiggErn]

> @wilton said:

> When are these available?

 

I wanna say preorder on the 19th. The ti’s Not until October.

[mBiden2]

 

[JoeJoeJoeUrBoat]

September 6th, wow!

[TheMoneyShot]

I wonder if these will be on instant back order once released?

[BiggErn]

> @TheMoneyShot said:

> I wonder if these will be on instant back order once released?

 

It’s Taylormade. There will be issues.

[texasdave]

So has anyone confirmed that the blade length is shorter on the new 790s?

[BiggErn]

> @texasdave said:

> So has anyone confirmed that the blade length is shorter on the new 790s?

 

I believe the shorter irons are suppose to be slightly smaller. Probably no more than 1-2mm if that.

[texasdave]

> @BiggErn said:

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> > So has anyone confirmed that the blade length is shorter on the new 790s?

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> I believe the shorter irons are suppose to be slightly smaller. Probably no more than 1-2mm if that.

 

Well hell, I was okay with the short irons, I was hoping the 5-7 would be a bit shorter.

 

[par4bmw]

The videos and reviews out there talk about the short irons having higher toes and the longer irons shorter length. Sounds very minor but improved looking with thinner top line.

 

I have not seen them though so this is only from what others said.

[jll62]

> @par4bmw said:

> The videos and reviews out there talk about the short irons having higher toes and the longer irons shorter length. Sounds very minor but improved looking with thinner top line.

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> I have not seen them though so this is only from what others said.

 

It's the scoring irons (7-AW) which have had the blade lengths shortened a little, not the long irons. The toe has been raised a little across the set.

[Yalt]

I just got the old p790s 5,6,7. And p730s in 8,9,pw and a p760 Aw.

 

I tested the new p790s and they felt the exact same as the old p790s. So for my skill level (12 handicap) I was able to save about 600 bucks!

 

Anyone else have the combo set like this? I read a few people have these combos. But is it weird to have the 3 different irons? They all have the same shaft.

[hankmoody]

Rick Shiels comparison to 17 P790:

 

Bottom line: He loves them, but found no difference in performance between models. Noted that the 19 P790s steel shafts are .25 longer than the 17 version. Did acknowledge TM's thinner face and more tungsten composition. I note that the offset difference is really small: --1-2 mm and only in the 4-6i. From 7 on offset is the same between the 17 and 19 version. (I don't know if I would be able to discern this, particularly as I go down to the 5i only.)

Shiels view: they kept a good thing good. A 24% price increase is material.

[TheMoneyShot]

Definitely like the looks of the new P790s better vs the old ones. I’m happy that TM did not try to “change the world” with these irons.

[GoGoErky]

Nice improvement on looks. I’m curious to got these and see how the feel compares to the first ones

[jll62]

> @hankmoody said:

> Rick Shiels comparison to 17 P790:

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> Bottom line: He loves them, but found no difference in performance between models. Noted that the 19 P790s steel shafts are .25 longer than the 17 version. Did acknowledge TM's thinner face and more tungsten composition. I note that the offset difference is really small: --1-2 mm and only in the 4-6i. From 7 on offset is the same between the 17 and 19 version. (I don't know if I would be able to discern this, particularly as I go down to the 5i only.)

> Shiels view: they kept a good thing good. A 24% price increase is material.

 

A couple of things from Rick's video. First, the club length spec is not the sneaky little change as he makes it out to be. TaylorMade changed how they measure clubs in late 2018, well after the P790 was initially released. TM now uses the USGA 60 degree ruler as opposed to their old method that almost no one else was using. This change meant that, on paper, the measured length of clubs went up by a small amount ( about 1/8") because of the different way of measuring. They then rounded up to the next quarter of an inch so that their specs weren't on eighths of an inch intervals. So the 6 iron spec changed from 37.25" on the old ruler to 37.5" on the new ruler (different method plus 1/8"). Had Rick measured the 2017 and 2019 clubs side-by-side on the same ruler, he'd have seen that there is only a 1/8" difference between the two. No one is gaining ball speed with 1/8" of extra length.

 

I don't see a 24% price increase, from a US perspective at least. The 2017 P790 released at $1299 and the 2019 model is $1399. That's a $100 increase, or 7.7%.

 

Finally, the thinner face is for more ball speed but not out of the center. It's combined with a change to the inverted cone behind the face to preserve ball speed on off-center hits and make heel and toe hits play more similar.

[TheMoneyShot]

> @GoGoErky said:

> Nice improvement on looks. I’m curious to got these and see how the feel compares to the first ones

 

It sounds like the new ones have slightly better feel best on some initial reviews.

[hankmoody]

> @jll62 said:

> > @hankmoody said:

> > Rick Shiels comparison to 17 P790:

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> > Bottom line: He loves them, but found no difference in performance between models. Noted that the 19 P790s steel shafts are .25 longer than the 17 version. Did acknowledge TM's thinner face and more tungsten composition. I note that the offset difference is really small: --1-2 mm and only in the 4-6i. From 7 on offset is the same between the 17 and 19 version. (I don't know if I would be able to discern this, particularly as I go down to the 5i only.)

> > Shiels view: they kept a good thing good. A 24% price increase is material.

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> A couple of things from Rick's video. First, the club length spec is not the sneaky little change as he makes it out to be. TaylorMade changed how they measure clubs in late 2018, well after the P790 was initially released. TM now uses the USGA 60 degree ruler as opposed to their old method that almost no one else was using. This change meant that, on paper, the measured length of clubs went up by a small amount ( about 1/8") because of the different way of measuring. They then rounded up to the next quarter of an inch so that their specs weren't on eighths of an inch intervals. So the 6 iron spec changed from 37.25" on the old ruler to 37.5" on the new ruler (different method plus 1/8"). Had Rick measured the 2017 and 2019 clubs side-by-side on the same ruler, he'd have seen that there is only a 1/8" difference between the two. No one is gaining ball speed with 1/8" of extra length.

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> I don't see a 24% price increase, from a US perspective at least. The 2017 P790 released at $1299 and the 2019 model is $1399. That's a $100 increase, or 7.7%.

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> Finally, the thinner face is for more ball speed but not out of the center. It's combined with a change to the inverted cone behind the face to preserve ball speed on off-center hits and make heel and toe hits play more similar.

 

Excellent points. And to me at least, they point toward the 19 version being more similar to the 17 version than different. I don't think that's a bad thing, BTW, and if they come out on top in my own testing, I will purchase the 19s.

[SugarPenguin]

Probably the best looking irons on the market.

My old AP2s might be in a bit of danger. Im so consistent with them and they look great by the ball but they spin and fly too high and I struggle to flight them down.

Just worried about the absolute bomb balls with the P790s and inconsistent gapping....

[bobcat]

The new (2019) P-790 spec chart shown in the Rick Shields Video shows the 6-iron loft to be 24.5* of loft which is clearly **incorrect**.

 

The P-790 6-iron loft is actually 26.5*, and in fact, **all** the iron lofts are exactly the same as the older (2017) P-790 iron set.

[ASN21]

> @jll62 said:

> > @hankmoody said:

> > Rick Shiels comparison to 17 P790:

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> > Bottom line: He loves them, but found no difference in performance between models. Noted that the 19 P790s steel shafts are .25 longer than the 17 version. Did acknowledge TM's thinner face and more tungsten composition. I note that the offset difference is really small: --1-2 mm and only in the 4-6i. From 7 on offset is the same between the 17 and 19 version. (I don't know if I would be able to discern this, particularly as I go down to the 5i only.)

> > Shiels view: they kept a good thing good. A 24% price increase is material.

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> A couple of things from Rick's video. First, the club length spec is not the sneaky little change as he makes it out to be. TaylorMade changed how they measure clubs in late 2018, well after the P790 was initially released. TM now uses the USGA 60 degree ruler as opposed to their old method that almost no one else was using. This change meant that, on paper, the measured length of clubs went up by a small amount ( about 1/8") because of the different way of measuring. They then rounded up to the next quarter of an inch so that their specs weren't on eighths of an inch intervals. So the 6 iron spec changed from 37.25" on the old ruler to 37.5" on the new ruler (different method plus 1/8"). Had Rick measured the 2017 and 2019 clubs side-by-side on the same ruler, he'd have seen that there is only a 1/8" difference between the two. No one is gaining ball speed with 1/8" of extra length.

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> I don't see a 24% price increase, from a US perspective at least. The 2017 P790 released at $1299 and the 2019 model is $1399. That's a $100 increase, or 7.7%.

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> Finally, the thinner face is for more ball speed but not out of the center. It's combined with a change to the inverted cone behind the face to preserve ball speed on off-center hits and make heel and toe hits play more similar.

 

Rick’s channel has turned into gimmicky click bait videos now. I take anything he says with a grain of salt. Well done breaking down his video.

[TheMoneyShot]

Any videos that compare the regular P790 vs P790 Ti out there yet?

[GoGoErky]

> @TheMoneyShot said:

> Any videos that compare the regular P790 vs P790 Ti out there yet?

 

I think Alex etches did one