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As the title states, I am only playing 12 clubs right now, and I am looking for suggestions on what I should add to the bag. Current setup with distance for each club below (carry distance, if I have a gun to my head and forced carry). Right now I am thinking of an easy to hit 5 iron to fill a yardage gap, and maybe a 64 degree TaylorMade HiToe as a specialist greenside club for flops, short side shots, etc. Let me know what you think!

Sorry last point if it helps: 7.9 handicap, weakness is chipping and putting (scrambling if I miss the green), strength is being good off the tee, strong approaches from wedges only up to 8 iron. Play in the northeast (NY and MA mostly).

Driver: TM M1 430: 280 yards

3 wood: Callaway Epic Flash: 245 yds

3 hybrid: Cleveland Launcher: 220 yds (I can choke down and hit 205 fade if needed for now)

6 iron: Mizuno MP4 (will be same 6-PW): 180 yds

7 iron: 170 yds

8 iron: 160 yds

9 iron: 150 yds

PW: 138 yds

52: 120 yds

56: 105 yds

60: 90 yds

(I do half swings with 52, 56, 60 for 80-70-60 yd shots respectively).

Putter recent fitting: Bettinardi Studio Stock, should be good!

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5i I would think is as must or at least a club to fill in that 180-205 gap. 64* is more or less a super specialty club and it's something you'll have to practice quite a bit with. Personally I don't carry a wedge above 58* and how no probs opening up unless hardpan, and at that point, I'll play a different shot anyway. If you are having issues short game wise, maybe just going 52/58 would simplify things.

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If the clubs you currently have in play cover most/all of the shots you typically have on the course you play the most I wouldn't add anything. In fact that would probably hold true for most any course you play. I currently carry 12 and don't miss whatever those two other clubs might be because what I have covers 99% of the typical shots I encounter without having to make less than a full swing or try to hit a club further than I might normally.

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I would add something that carries about 190 yards (~5 iron) for sure for the 13th club. For the 14th club, something that flies ~205 yards vs. a 64 is really a question of what shot you think you will face more and/or are least comfortable manipulating another club with if you have to.

 

Personally, I don't think there is anything wrong with a 64 even though they get bashed a lot around here. Yes, the club needs practice and people get into trouble with them. But I think this is just as much lack of skill and dumb decision making vs. the add'l 4-6 degrees of loft on a 58 or 60. Another alternative would be to put the 190 and 205 carry clubs in the bag and then swap the 60 for a 64. Basically, your gaps are pretty constant through the 56 and then you have one very high lofted specialty club for unique situations around the green. I'd probably favor this vs. the 60 and 64 if a gun were to my head. But it's also not necessary. You could get around the course the same most of the time with a 58 or 60 as the max lofted wedge.

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5i and 4i/Driving iron. My distances are about 3-5 yards below yours. I couldn't live without at least a 5i. I have trouble filling spot from 3w to 4i mostly. Playing 5w and 23˚ DI, usually, but have a 20 yard gap between them. I switch out between 5W/3H/20˚ DI based on the course, Par 3's and 5's yardages.

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If you hit the choke down hybrid consistently, I wouldn't change a thing. The obvious gap is an iron lower than your 6-iron from a distance perspective. But if you don't play a 5-iron now, I suspect you are like a lot of us where you don't have as much confidence in a 5-iron as a 6-iron or hybrid.

Either that or look at getting a 4-hybrid. I like my 4-hybrid more than my 3 and honestly hit it better than my 5-iron. It's largely mental for me though. A hybrid is so easy to swing smooth where I find myself overswinging a 5 sometimes.

 

My 3H was literally thrown in because I played 13 clubs for so long and was just itching to put something in there. I could take it out (and my lob wedge) and my scores would likely be identical.

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> I would add something that carries about 190 yards (~5 iron) for sure for the 13th club. For the 14th club, something that flies ~205 yards vs. a 64 is really a question of what shot you think you will face more and/or are least comfortable manipulating another club with if you have to.

>

> Personally, I don't think there is anything wrong with a 64 even though they get bashed a lot around here. Yes, the club needs practice and people get into trouble with them. But I think this is just as much lack of skill and dumb decision making vs. the add'l 4-6 degrees of loft on a 58 or 60. Another alternative would be to put the 190 and 205 carry clubs in the bag and then swap the 60 for a 64. Basically, your gaps are pretty constant through the 56 and then you have one very high lofted specialty club for unique situations around the green. I'd probably favor this vs. the 60 and 64 if a gun were to my head. But it's also not necessary. You could get around the course the same most of the time with a 58 or 60 as the max lofted wedge.

 

I’m liking this play on replacing the 60 with a 64. The 64 would be an emotional play, as I really enjoy trying to manufacture shots around the green (even if it doesn’t always work). I was already dedicating more practice time to wedges so this may accelerate it.

 

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> @gwelfgulfer said:

> 5i I would think is as must or at least a club to fill in that 180-205 gap. 64* is more or less a super specialty club and it's something you'll have to practice quite a bit with. Personally I don't carry a wedge above 58* and how no probs opening up unless hardpan, and at that point, I'll play a different shot anyway. If you are having issues short game wise, maybe just going 52/58 would simplify things.

 

 

What wedge and grind is your 58? My 60 is an SM6 M grind with 8 deg bounce. Works decent for flops. I’ve switched to the 56 and 52 for chips, away from the 60. Now I mainly use the 60 for flops and short bunker shots.

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> If you hit the choke down hybrid consistently, I wouldn't change a thing. The obvious gap is an iron lower than your 6-iron from a distance perspective. But if you don't play a 5-iron now, I suspect you are like a lot of us where you don't have as much confidence in a 5-iron as a 6-iron or hybrid.

> Either that or look at getting a 4-hybrid. I like my 4-hybrid more than my 3 and honestly hit it better than my 5-iron. It's largely mental for me though. A hybrid is so easy to swing smooth where I find myself overswinging a 5 sometimes.

>

> My 3H was literally thrown in because I played 13 clubs for so long and was just itching to put something in there. I could take it out (and my lob wedge) and my scores would likely be identical.

 

I could go get fitted with my 6 iron and 3h to just find a hybrid gap for the proper loft 4 or 5h. My only fear is I’ve developed the hybrid hook for a miss. Might be the Cleveland, as I faded my Cobra Baffler. Titleist 818 with fade weight maybe?

 

 

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Add a 5i for sure. After that I'd consider a 4-utility.

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> @PappyVanRoyl said:

> > @gwelfgulfer said:

> > 5i I would think is as must or at least a club to fill in that 180-205 gap. 64* is more or less a super specialty club and it's something you'll have to practice quite a bit with. Personally I don't carry a wedge above 58* and how no probs opening up unless hardpan, and at that point, I'll play a different shot anyway. If you are having issues short game wise, maybe just going 52/58 would simplify things.

>

>

> What wedge and grind is your 58? My 60 is an SM6 M grind with 8 deg bounce. Works decent for flops. I’ve switched to the 56 and 52 for chips, away from the 60. Now I mainly use the 60 for flops and short bunker shots.

 

I have a set of Cleveland 588 RTG's that were made at the Tour dept. and have a C grind on the 58*. Personal opinion for it as it works for me, lets me open it up slightly with the material taken from closer to the hosel, and still get some bounce when opened all the way. This set is mid bounce, and I have my Edels which get more play time really with early/late season softer conditions. Though with that set, I have the Cish grind on the 54* and the 58* is the digger grind.

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> @PappyVanRoyl said:

> As the title states, I am only playing 12 clubs right now, and I am looking for suggestions on what I should add to the bag. Current setup with distance for each club below (carry distance, if I have a gun to my head and forced carry). Right now I am thinking of an easy to hit 5 iron to fill a yardage gap, and maybe a 64 degree TaylorMade HiToe as a specialist greenside club for flops, short side shots, etc. Let me know what you think!

> Sorry last point if it helps: 7.9 handicap, weakness is chipping and putting (scrambling if I miss the green), strength is being good off the tee, strong approaches from wedges only up to 8 iron. Play in the northeast (NY and MA mostly).

> Driver: TM M1 430: 280 yards

> 3 wood: Callaway Epic Flash: 245 yds

> 3 hybrid: Cleveland Launcher: 220 yds (I can choke down and hit 205 fade if needed for now)

> 6 iron: Mizuno MP4 (will be same 6-PW): 180 yds

> 7 iron: 170 yds

> 8 iron: 160 yds

> 9 iron: 150 yds

> PW: 138 yds

> 52: 120 yds

> 56: 105 yds

> 60: 90 yds

> (I do half swings with 52, 56, 60 for 80-70-60 yd shots respectively).

> Putter recent fitting: Bettinardi Studio Stock, should be good!

 

@PappyVanRoyl

I LOVE this kind of post thanks so much for including your carry distances.

 

First of all your solution is going to be based ultimately on your goals! The simple truth is most of us continue to do what we've done in golf and rarely make massive changes. I'm not against radical commitment or changes at all but I enjoy the idea of being realistic as well and that's going to impact what I ultimately suggest in this case.

 

The thing that matters is score you want to score better easier to ultimately feel like you're improving and having more fun presumably.

 

So looked at your carry distances. NICE! your CHS ultimately allows you to do lots of fun things on the course and play really well. What you feel like can impact your score the most positively, aside from putting which your new putter ought to address.

 

I don't think I'd advocate using your 5iron and here's why... you're actually really good with your 3hybrid you mention it for 2 different distances and if you know you hit it 205 with a cut that has to solve a bunch of problems for you. Being as long as you are I'd bet you don't see very many 190 yard approaches. And if you have 190 but you know you can hit it 200 90% of the time then your misses are very likely to be on the green and lead to more strokes gained than your buddies. I'd hazard that you're better than your friends at long par 3's because you hit the ball solid and you know how far it goes.

 

Now here's the thing with the 64º I've played a 64 for almost 20 years. And what I've learned is that discretion is the key most often it's not the better play.

 

Because lower is better, and lower lofted approaches bounce straighter!

 

An advantage with the higher lofted wedges is you can take longer swings and get similar carry distances which is some nice added forgiveness.

 

Anyways what I would suggest for you is to get a silver or white sharpie and mark all of your clubs from 9in down 1" lower than you normally grip it. Go to the range for a couple of sessions measure those new lesser carry distances. Then when you play hit those normal but choked down to get lesser carry distances for your 150 and less approach shots. I think that will solve most of your proximity concerns. Plus it doesn't take much more work aside from the figuring. Working smarter not harder.

 

2ndarily I'd try to adapt one short game mavens approach to pitching and try to get your short game approach game as solid as your long game. Say for shots inside 40 yards.

 

Probably doesn't even matter who, Pelz, Utley, Ridyard, Siekman, or any of the others. Just use their stuff and work on being a little more solid I'd bet you can shave a stroke or 2 off your handicap with an hour a week easily and then have more fun.

 

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> @JAMH03 said:

> > @PappyVanRoyl said:

> > As the title states, I am only playing 12 clubs right now, and I am looking for suggestions on what I should add to the bag. Current setup with distance for each club below (carry distance, if I have a gun to my head and forced carry). Right now I am thinking of an easy to hit 5 iron to fill a yardage gap, and maybe a 64 degree TaylorMade HiToe as a specialist greenside club for flops, short side shots, etc. Let me know what you think!

> > Sorry last point if it helps: 7.9 handicap, weakness is chipping and putting (scrambling if I miss the green), strength is being good off the tee, strong approaches from wedges only up to 8 iron. Play in the northeast (NY and MA mostly).

> > Driver: TM M1 430: 280 yards

> > 3 wood: Callaway Epic Flash: 245 yds

> > 3 hybrid: Cleveland Launcher: 220 yds (I can choke down and hit 205 fade if needed for now)

> > 6 iron: Mizuno MP4 (will be same 6-PW): 180 yds

> > 7 iron: 170 yds

> > 8 iron: 160 yds

> > 9 iron: 150 yds

> > PW: 138 yds

> > 52: 120 yds

> > 56: 105 yds

> > 60: 90 yds

> > (I do half swings with 52, 56, 60 for 80-70-60 yd shots respectively).

> > Putter recent fitting: Bettinardi Studio Stock, should be good!

>

> @PappyVanRoyl

> I LOVE this kind of post thanks so much for including your carry distances.

>

> First of all your solution is going to be based ultimately on your goals! The simple truth is most of us continue to do what we've done in golf and rarely make massive changes. I'm not against radical commitment or changes at all but I enjoy the idea of being realistic as well and that's going to impact what I ultimately suggest in this case.

>

> The thing that matters is score you want to score better easier to ultimately feel like you're improving and having more fun presumably.

>

> So looked at your carry distances. NICE! your CHS ultimately allows you to do lots of fun things on the course and play really well. What you feel like can impact your score the most positively, aside from putting which your new putter ought to address.

>

> I don't think I'd advocate using your 5iron and here's why... you're actually really good with your 3hybrid you mention it for 2 different distances and if you know you hit it 205 with a cut that has to solve a bunch of problems for you. Being as long as you are I'd bet you don't see very many 190 yard approaches. And if you have 190 but you know you can hit it 200 90% of the time then your misses are very likely to be on the green and lead to more strokes gained than your buddies. I'd hazard that you're better than your friends at long par 3's because you hit the ball solid and you know how far it goes.

>

> Now here's the thing with the 64º I've played a 64 for almost 20 years. And what I've learned is that discretion is the key most often it's not the better play.

>

> Because lower is better, and lower lofted approaches bounce straighter!

>

> An advantage with the higher lofted wedges is you can take longer swings and get similar carry distances which is some nice added forgiveness.

>

> Anyways what I would suggest for you is to get a silver or white sharpie and mark all of your clubs from 9in down 1" lower than you normally grip it. Go to the range for a couple of sessions measure those new lesser carry distances. Then when you play hit those normal but choked down to get lesser carry distances for your 150 and less approach shots. I think that will solve most of your proximity concerns. Plus it doesn't take much more work aside from the figuring. Working smarter not harder.

>

> 2ndarily I'd try to adapt one short game mavens approach to pitching and try to get your short game approach game as solid as your long game. Say for shots inside 40 yards.

>

> Probably doesn't even matter who, Pelz, Utley, Ridyard, Siekman, or any of the others. Just use their stuff and work on being a little more solid I'd bet you can shave a stroke or 2 off your handicap with an hour a week easily and then have more fun.

>

> PS if you appreciate my efforts go ahead and smash like button I live for likes

>

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Dang! Thanks for writing all of that. Many nuggets in there, I’ll take two off the bat:

1) Further tightening gaps by practicing a 1” choke down for each club (I read Rickie Fowler practices 5 yds difference for each 1/2”)

2)This “Because lower is better, and lower lofted approaches bounce straighter!” I will practice the lower lofted approaches with 40yds.

 

The 64 degree wedge would be a novelty: fun, rarely used, fun again, but may not lower scores as much as practicing basic and fundamental chipping, pitching, bump and runs, for skill and implementation of strategy. Lesson learned here from you folks.

 

My next step will be heading to a fitter with my 3h, and 6 iron in hand to figure out that gap, along with a plan on what shots I want to hit with that club (or clubs).

 

My goals:

1) improve putting as I average 2.1 putts per hole right now

2) Chip and pitch closer to scramble for par, not bogey

3) closer approach shots outside of 170. This may be a combo of new 5 iron or hybrid, along with a more forgiving 6 iron. I love telling myself I can control a blade though!

 

Thanks again

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> @PappyVanRoyl said:

> As the title states, I am only playing 12 clubs right now, and I am looking for suggestions on what I should add to the bag. ...

 

> Sorry last point if it helps: 7.9 handicap, weakness is chipping and putting (scrambling if I miss the green), strength is being good off the tee, strong approaches from wedges only up to 8 iron. ...

 

Three things:

1. Get a lesson on chipping and pitching. If you hit full wedges OK but have trouble with partials, it's probably a technique problem. And, better chips and pitches will get you closer to the pin, which sets up more one-putt save pars. Resolve this before you worry about the unusual 64* High Toe.

2. Get a lesson on putting. You could have a technique problem, or the putter could be a mismatch for your stroke (a fitter helps here). Mismatch could relate to dominant eye, or the arc of your stroke. (For a quick lesson on arc, go to Ping putter online and read up on the colored labels for type of putter heads: strong arc (Red) / slight arc (Green) / and straight _or_ face-balanced (Blue).

3. Discover root cause of your troubles with medium irons. What is problem? Poor contact, fall-off in distance? You might go to a fitter and see if equipment is the problem. With your driver at 280, you have above-average clubhead speed.

 

If you could, tell us the nature of your problems with medium irons.

 

 

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Driver:  Tour Edge EXS 10.5° (base loft); weights neutral   ||  FWs:  Calla Rogue 4W + 7W

Hybrid:  Calla Big Bertha OS 4H at 22°  ||  Irons:  Calla Mavrik MAX 5i-PW

Wedges*:  Calla MD3: 48°... MD4: 54°, 58° ||  PutterΨSeeMore FGP + SuperStroke 1.0PT, 33" shaft

Ball: 1. Srixon Q-Star Tour / 2. Calla SuperHot (Orange preferred)  ||  Bag: Sun Mountain Three 5 stand bag

    * MD4 54°/10 S-Grind replaced MD3 54°/12 W-Grind.

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> @ChipNRun said:

> > @PappyVanRoyl said:

> > As the title states, I am only playing 12 clubs right now, and I am looking for suggestions on what I should add to the bag. ...

>

> > Sorry last point if it helps: 7.9 handicap, weakness is chipping and putting (scrambling if I miss the green), strength is being good off the tee, strong approaches from wedges only up to 8 iron. ...

>

> Three things:

> 1. Get a lesson on chipping and pitching. If you hit full wedges OK but have trouble with partials, it's probably a technique problem. And, better chips and pitches will get you closer to the pin, which sets up more one-putt save pars. Resolve this before you worry about the unusual 64* High Toe.

> 2. Get a lesson on putting. You could have a technique problem, or the putter could be a mismatch for your stroke (a fitter helps here). Mismatch could relate to dominant eye, or the arc of your stroke. (For a quick lesson on arc, go to Ping putter online and read up on the colored labels for type of putter heads: strong arc (Red) / slight arc (Green) / and straight _or_ face-balanced (Blue).

> 3. Discover root cause of your troubles with medium irons. What is problem? Poor contact, fall-off in distance? You might go to a fitter and see if equipment is the problem. With your driver at 280, you have above-average clubhead speed.

>

> If you could, tell us the nature of your problems with medium irons.

>

>

 

The nature of the problems with medium irons:

I switched two rounds ago from 718 CBs with nippon tour125 stiff shafts that were 10-15 yards longer than the MP4s. The MP4s have KBS Tour Stiff shafts in them. Two things changed the distance: 1) the nippons were 1/2” long, and 2) the KBS Tours balloon up more.

Left to right dispersion has improved with the switch, as the Nippons had a tendency to snap through more and a draw would be a hook. Same swing with the KBS is straighter. With the mid-irons I have a two way miss now. A small push or a draw, so right miss then a left miss. Right to left is about the width of a green so not too bad.

Some here have mentioned a fitting for the irons too, which I plan on doing. To be honest, the MP4s are like taking a finicky old sports car out for a drive, just fun.

I’ll probably just worry about shaft and see about changing the MP4 shafts, or maybe a 919 Tour or something with a HM Pro or Forged 5 and 6 iron.

I don’t care about maxing out distance with irons and their shafts at all, just want accuracy. Last round, had a 190 pin that I hit my 6 iron about 4 yards past, knew I needed more and took a full swing with speed coming off my back leg to more rotation.

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On your irons, first let's do a side-by-side of shaft specs:

* NS Pro Mds3 Tour 120...114 grams...half inch longer............LowMidLaunch... MPF = 4B1H

* KBS Tour............................120 grams... normal length (?)........MidLaunch...MPF = 4B1H

 

In terms of MPF, the shafts are similar and both have H (hook) correction, but NS Pro has stiff tip.

 

718 CB + NS Pro... draw or hook

MP4 + KBS Tour... draw (_or_ push, which is normal controlled miss for draw) // balloon more

 

For 718 CBs, would they work better with heavier shaft and maybe shorter length? This would support your bid for accuracy. For initial CB test, put face decals on the 4i through 6i. IF you have impacts scattered across the face, this might indicate too long a shaft.

 

Did you get fitted for either iron set, or did you try out and then test on course? and let us know how the testing progresses.

 

What's In The Bag (As of April 2023, post-MAX change + new putter)

 

Driver:  Tour Edge EXS 10.5° (base loft); weights neutral   ||  FWs:  Calla Rogue 4W + 7W

Hybrid:  Calla Big Bertha OS 4H at 22°  ||  Irons:  Calla Mavrik MAX 5i-PW

Wedges*:  Calla MD3: 48°... MD4: 54°, 58° ||  PutterΨSeeMore FGP + SuperStroke 1.0PT, 33" shaft

Ball: 1. Srixon Q-Star Tour / 2. Calla SuperHot (Orange preferred)  ||  Bag: Sun Mountain Three 5 stand bag

    * MD4 54°/10 S-Grind replaced MD3 54°/12 W-Grind.

     Ψ  Backups:

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> @ChipNRun said:

> On your irons, first let's do a side-by-side of shaft specs:

> * NS Pro Mds3 Tour 120...114 grams...half inch longer............LowMidLaunch... MPF = 4B1H

> * KBS Tour............................120 grams... normal length (?)........MidLaunch...MPF = 4B1H

>

> In terms of MPF, the shafts are similar and both have H (hook) correction, but NS Pro has stiff tip.

>

> 718 CB + NS Pro... draw or hook

> MP4 + KBS Tour... draw (_or_ push, which is normal controlled miss for draw) // balloon more

>

> For 718 CBs, would they work better with heavier shaft and maybe shorter length? This would support your bid for accuracy. For initial CB test, put face decals on the 4i through 6i. IF you have impacts scattered across the face, this might indicate too long a shaft.

>

> Did you get fitted for either iron set, or did you try out and then test on course? and let us know how the testing progresses.

>

 

Last time I was fitted, I was put into DG X100 1/2” long, standard L/L. My swing has changed a bit, and had the good fortune of picking up the CBs on a trial. I had left hip issues, that are resolving and in gaining strength I may have to go up in weight and flex again.

The shafts are the Nippon tour125, not the 120s.

Yes, KBS Tours are standard length. I bought the MP4s because I’ve always wanted them, and now I’ve got them, emotional purchase.

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> @PappyVanRoyl said:

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> My goals:

> 1) improve putting as I average 2.1 putts per hole right now

> 2) Chip and pitch closer to scramble for par, not bogey

> 3) closer approach shots outside of 170. This may be a combo of new 5 iron or hybrid, along with a more forgiving 6 iron. I love telling myself I can control a blade though!

>

> Thanks again

I agree with a few of the above, you can get a club to fill the "long" gap between 3h and 6i. You might even get two clubs, if you have enough of those shots.

But that's not the major issue. If you're averaging 38 or 39 putts per round, and playing to an 8 handicap, that's well below your handicap level, that needs the most improvement. You could realistically save 4 or 5 strokes per round, averaging 32 or 33 putts is reasonable. That might mean improving your putting, of course. But the best way to lower the number of putts is to get the ball closer to the hole. With your distance, you should be hitting lots of short irons, you need to get those closer. Maybe you need full-swing lessons, I don't know. You probably also need to improve chipping and pitching, so you get more one-putts when you miss the green. But if you improve the full swing, you'll hit more greens, and have shorter putts in general. Its possible that will fix the "number of putts" issue without changing your putting at all.

 

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> > @PappyVanRoyl said:

> >

> > My goals:

> > 1) improve putting as I average 2.1 putts per hole right now

> > 2) Chip and pitch closer to scramble for par, not bogey

> > 3) closer approach shots outside of 170. This may be a combo of new 5 iron or hybrid, along with a more forgiving 6 iron. I love telling myself I can control a blade though!

> >

> > Thanks again

> I agree with a few of the above, you can get a club to fill the "long" gap between 3h and 6i. You might even get two clubs, if you have enough of those shots.

> But that's not the major issue. If you're averaging 38 or 39 putts per round, and playing to an 8 handicap, that's well below your handicap level, that needs the most improvement. You could realistically save 4 or 5 strokes per round, averaging 32 or 33 putts is reasonable. That might mean improving your putting, of course. But the best way to lower the number of putts is to get the ball closer to the hole. With your distance, you should be hitting lots of short irons, you need to get those closer. Maybe you need full-swing lessons, I don't know. You probably also need to improve chipping and pitching, so you get more one-putts when you miss the green. But if you improve the full swing, you'll hit more greens, and have shorter putts in general. Its possible that will fix the "number of putts" issue without changing your putting at all.

>

 

I'm with you here, last round shot a 75 with 31 putts, approaches and chips were on point. Felt like I was putting the same as I normally do.

Going to take this all under consideration and work through it for the next couple months, then hunker down for the winter and restart next year from scratch!

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I feel like something to cover the gap between the Hybrid and 6iron. Seems like a huge gap. Question would be, what do you like more? A hybrid or true 5i?

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> @arobbins3 said:

> I feel like something to cover the gap between the Hybrid and 6iron. Seems like a huge gap. Question would be, what do you like more? A hybrid or true 5i?

 

Hybrids have usually been point and shoot for me, easy swing and good results. Thinking of getting fitted for that and maybe changing my 6 iron to a more game improvement iron.

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What's you typical trajectory with your hybrid/long irons? One thought could be go 3+ FW, throw in a 5w and then go to a hybrid then the irons. If you have a real piercing trajectory with the hybrid, having something you could land a little softer into par 5s or longer par 3s.

 

While I have never bagged a 64, I have a friend who did for a while, and while he was an excellent golfer, the times where he felt having a 64 was a real advantage ended up more disastrous than if he just used a 58/60.

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Ditto some type of 4/5hy, iron (regular, driving/utility, or even GI version) that would give you a stock 200 yard club with desired traj and spin.

 

With your setup it seems that could be a weak spot and a shot you face on a long par 3 or something with long forced carry.

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