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Obsolete clubs that would still cut the mustard in 2019


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A few of us chatting over a cold beer and the topic of clubs we had owned and would they hold up to the latest and greatest....

Suggestions in no particular order....BeCu Anser 2 or B60. Mizuno T-Zoid Pro. Ping I3 Blade. Ping Eye 2+. Ram Zebra. Callaway Big Bertha Copper.

Over to our learned members....

 

 

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Any golf club except for the driver.

In the driver's category, there had been leaps and bounds gained over the decades. I witness the changeover from persimmon to metal to titanium to 460 cc, to paremeter weights to sliding weights to adjustable hosel....... and the shafts had gone through revolution on weight and strength, not to mention the golf balls had day and night evolution, several times over with design and materials.

But, the putters and the irons are more of a status quo. Maybe the iron shafts had improved with light weight steel and grapuite applications. But no less, old sets of irons and putters play just as well as the new generation.

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Vokey SM2's. Best wedges ever in my opinion.

If you don't mind ugly, the original Big Bertha irons. Modern distance irons were born here.

Pretty much any Mizuno blade, if you are into blades.

Ping Eye 2, if you don't care much about how far your PW flies.

Ping G400 Testing G410.  10.5 set at small -
Ping G410 3, 5 and 7 wood

Ping G410 5 hybrid-not much use.  
Mizuno JPX 921 Hot Metal. 5-G
Vokey 54.10, 2009 58.12 M, Testing TM MG2 60* TW grind and MG3 56* TW grind.  Or Ping Glide Stealth, 54,58 SS.  
Odyssey Pro #1 black
Hoofer, Ecco, Bushnell
ProV1x-mostly
 

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A few that are in regular use and/or see semi-regular bag rotation:

 

V-Steel fairways (2003?). Still remains my regular fairway implements (5, 7, 9). The 9-wood is money. Prefer it to any similarly lofted hybrid I've tried.

 

Good call on the BeCu Anser 2. Mine has been weighted up and use it periodically. Also a mnbr Anser 3. And a BeCu Zing 2. Actually most old(er) Ping putters are still relevant. As long as one doesn't mind the lighter weight.

 

'99 Hogan Apex irons. When I'm feeling bladey, these are what I play. They remain stellar and a delight to play. Anyone that thinks they cannot play blades should give them a try. With the appropriate shaft for one's capabilities. Then again, does a modern style MB ever become obsolete.

 

Hogan Wedges. Special Sand Iron, Hogan K Grinds. Forget how well balanced these feel. Until I put them back in the bag with the above and rediscover them.

 

Titleist 983K. Found one to try well after it's original issue period. Profoundly changed how I thought about modern 460cc drivers. Not the longest, but I sure could hit it straight.

 

Odyssey Rossie II putter with the black Stronomic insert. Had a 10+ year run with that one. Never been much of an insert fan thereafter.

 

Would agree with WK above, well designed putters do not become obsolete. Old(er) irons can be rejuvenated and tuned to one's preferences with installation of more "modern" shafts. BITD, seemed as though the predominate option was TTDG. Which I never cared for. Speaking of obsolete shafts, had a couple sets with OG RP Rifles. Great shafts that are hard to find these days.

Laissez les bons temps rouler!

OGA - Mitglied Nummer Sechs

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Titleist 962b irons, the triple grind sole simply works, if unsure of relevance, look at a Vokey M grind?

Titleist TSR2 10* (d4 surefit) Fujikura Motore Speeder 7.2s
Titleist 904f 17* YS7+s
Titleist 962b 3-pw s300
Cleveland zipcore tour rack custom 52* s400
Cleveland zipcore tour rack custom 58* s400
Ping Zing2 BeCu

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> @mocokid said:

> I gotta go with the ginty, classic.

 

Totally agree but will also throw the Cobra Baffler 7 wood in there with it. I found one of each and threw them in my classic bag last winter. Both clubs are just totally awesome from about 175 to 180 for me and I don't care how bad the lie is. I put the Ginty in my regular bag at the height of the summer when the bermuda rough on my home course was ferocious from a wet spring. You can't convince me that any modern hybrid type club is better than those 2 classics. I'm just too old and not strong enough to hit a 4-5-or sometimes 6 iron out of that type of rough anymore.

Cobra F9 Driver 10.5 UST ProForce V2 HL 5F4 46"

Tour Edge Exotic EXS 220 16.5* UST ProForce V2 HL 6F4 44"

Cobra Amp Cell 5-7 fairway (set to 20*) Fujikura Fuel 60g S 43"

Maltby TS3 4-P Elevate MPH 95 +1"

Cleveland 588 RTX 2.0 50*, 54* & 58* Apollo Matchflex Wedge 36.25"

Cleveland Classic Collection #10 35"

 

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From Hogan: 99 Apex, '88 Redlines but my dark horse favorites are '94 Fort Worth's

From Titleist: 681's/ T-stamp, 962B's

From Maruman: Conductor Pro's from 1990-2000

From TM: R510 TP (best ever I've bagged), RAC TP MB (inverted T muscle done great)

From Cobra: King Cobra DF metals (still use#5W), Mac-Cobra's aka G.N. Signatures

Honorables: Maxfli Revolution Black, (major sexy for cast CB's),

 

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Anser, bullseye, and 8802 putters, although in my opinion any putter really. I currently emply a 50's gooseneck.

 

In iron land, it seems like even 1954 Hogan Precisions could be made relevant with the right shafts, and any Hogan club frim the 90's ought to work save 1 (sorry magnum).

 

For woods people have mentioned gintys, agreed. Also in my opinion the Cally BB warbird fw's are pretty good, especially the 3w as a tee-first club.

 

Drivers, I think the Cleveland Hibore is about as long as anything out there today, and the R580 is not that far behind.

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Mizuno MP14 and Titleist 735 CM irons are almost as good as anything available today.

 

Driver is a difficult compare given all the new tech but honestly the Titleist 905R was one of the most fun and beloved clubs i have owned. I am sure i could make it work!

Ping 430 LST 10.5, Ping Tour 2.0 Chrome 65X
Ping 425 17, 19 & 22 deg hybrids,  Ping Tour 85X
Mizuno 923 Hot Metal Pro, 5-GW, DG 105 
Mizuno S23 54 deg wedge

Vokey SM6 60 K wedge
Mizuno IOMI #3 putter

Titleist ProV1x 

Vessel Lux Lite Bag

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The original Tommy Armour 845's, these clubs were way ahead of their time.

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DRIVER -     PXG Gen 4 0811X - 8* | 🔥PROXIMA 5S🔥
2 WD -         PXG Gen 4  13* |  🔥KHT AUTOFLEX SF505🔥
  

5 / 7 WD-    PXG Gen 5 | Project X Riptide CB 4.0 40g Ladies 

IRONS -       PXG Gen 6 XP DOUBLE BLACK | MMT 80 Stiff                     
WEDGES -  PXG Sugar Daddy II 54*/13 and 58*/10 | MMT 80 Stiff  
GRIPS -       JUMBOMAX ULTRALIGHT XL
PUTTER -   LAB DF 3.0 
BAG -           PXG Staff Bag

 

 

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With more modern exceptions in wedges and addition of an adjustable hybrid, see signature?

Titleist TSR2 10* (d4 surefit) Fujikura Motore Speeder 7.2s
Titleist 904f 17* YS7+s
Titleist 962b 3-pw s300
Cleveland zipcore tour rack custom 52* s400
Cleveland zipcore tour rack custom 58* s400
Ping Zing2 BeCu

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> @Zengolfer36 said:

> Id put my Titleist DCI 981s up against any modern iron. Honestly, if the grooves on them were still legal, Id still be playing them today.

Same here with Titleist DCI Oversize+ black

 

 

 

Current Bag:

TM R7 425 driver 11.5

Cleveland Launcher #4 wood

Cobra King Hyper Steel #7 wood

BB Heavenwood # 9 wood

Titlelst DCI Black O/S irons 7 8 9 W SW, Lovett chipper

McGregor putter

Titleist Tour Soft balls

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I like the old sand wedges that used to come with sets of irons. You'd go from PW to SW with no gap wedge, and that was it. When I'm back in the UK and play my old Titleist Tour models I find I get on fine with just the PW and SW, and when I play my Wilson FG-J8s, I find the PW and SW are all I need. Same with my Ram Tour Grinds with the Camber Sole SW. Now, the Japanese sand wedges from that period I don't like so much, and we'll skip over most of MacGregor's offerings, but I find those old sand wedges more versatile than the speciality wedges today. I need to test this more by going out one day with a 50* PW and a modern 56* wedge (I set the Wilson SW and Ram SW to 56*) and see how I get on with the one wedge.

I do like the old sand wedges.

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@"Nomad Golfer" Your avatar pic. Great club. Had one with a steel shaft and it was a great club. I don't play it now because it just goes too high.

 

Any of those BB woods had an outstanding shape. The driver wouldn't work today but the other woods with a good graphite shaft would work just fine.

 

I also have the TM V-Steel and that is nice club that fits the same as above. If you can find the 3+ (13*?) that would be a fine "fairway finder" club.

 

Odyssey sold a bajillion of those two ball putters.

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WOW!!!! That is really a loaded question---- I would say any of the Pro Line clubs from say the 50s to the 70s and then some after that too. A lot of it has to do with the quality and processes of the metals. Also I feel back in the day people took pride in their work and were true craftsmen. Also clubs were not as mass produced then as now. Basically if you look at any of the new blades you can see resemblance to many of our old irons. I posed a question in the main forums one night about wonder how long the polymer in some of these new clubs will last. Yeah I wonder 60 years from now if these new clubs will be as playable straight off the junkpile as my Precisions or 57 Diamondbacks. Basically I am of the thought that if you go with modern shafts any of our older irons can and will hold their own with anything made today. On putters I got to go with James on that. Older putters have a better feel than anything made today to my hands and mind. My personal favorites which is not to say others are not great also

Anything Macgregor except the step soles and Syncrolites

Mizuno MP-33

Fg-17 Staffs

99 Apex and 54 Precisions and also Redlines

66/67 Spalding Bird on the Ball Top Flites also 66 Elite

Just my .02 FWIW and I will add this list could go on forever

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Driver--- Callaway Big Bertha Alpha--- Speeder 565 R flex

5W  --- TM V Steel Fubuki 60r

7W --- TM V Steel UST Pro Force 65 R flex

9W--- TM V Steel Stock V Steel R flex shaft

Irons 5 thru PW TM TP CB Steel Fiber 95 R F

SW Callaway PM Grind 56* Modified Grind KBS Tour Wedge

LW Vokey SM5 L Grind 58* 04 bounce Stock Vokey Shaft

Putter Macgregor Bobby Grace Mark 4 V-Foil Broomstick

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I wonder how that generation of carbon fiber headed woods would do, Yamaha, Yonex, etc all had a line or two of those in the 1980s.

 

I still have Ping putters from the 1990s (the steel ones with black satin finish), a couple Bullseyes, and Maxfli Revolution irons, and none of them seem any worse than what we have today. Same with the Eye2 irons (both steel and BeCu), other than weaker lofts, which I use every few years when I visit my parents.

Cobra King LTD 9*, Fujikura Ventus TR Red 6X
Cobra King Tec 17*, Fujikura Axiom 105S

Adams A12 19*, Diamana Thump X
TM TP MC/MB, Fujikura Axiom 105S 
Vokey 250.08, SM9 54-S & 60-V, DG S400
Toulon Palm Beach

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