The New Ventus Black

[cj4501]

> @mjbaker80 said:

> Hard to say but if you’re in an Atmos black the blue might launch a bit high for you. Atmos black is the lowest launch and spinning on Fuji’s entire shaft chart. I would be shocked if you found the VENTUS black to be too much shaft so long as the right weight and flex. I played in a misty cold rain today and never fought it for a minute.

 

Interesting, I figured ventus black would launch lower than atmos. Thanks for info!

[mjbaker80]

I mean, I’d always defer to Fuji of course. But FOR ME the Atmos 6X .5 inch tipped has a flatter trajectory in the same head as the Ventus black 6X untipped.

[mjmurphy]

> @"Fujikura Golf" said:

> Hi guys, to answer a few of your questions about how VB compares,

> Ventus Black and Atmos Tour Spec Black will have similar launch + spins. With lower Torque mixed with Velocore Technology Ventus reduces the clubhead from twisting through impact. Centerness of contact and less twist will eliminate gear effect and the ball will fly straighter, not to mention improved ball speed. TR has a much softer tip and higher torque. Due to the increased stiffness in the midsection TR will allow launch to be similar to Atmos Black + Ventus Black but spin will be slightly higher.

>

> Let us know if that helps clarify and if you have any further questions. Thanks for all of the feedback on VB so far and glad to hear it's working well for those who have tried it. We are sending out 5 shafts to the lucky few who were selected for the testing so those should be live soon, stay tuned.

 

Appreciate the response! One more question on the comparison with the TR. Does the much softer tip apply to the TX as well? From your website looks like specs with the TR Tx and ventus black appear to be pretty similar.

[SMUGamer]

> @mjmurphy said:

> > @"Fujikura Golf" said:

> > Hi guys, to answer a few of your questions about how VB compares,

> > Ventus Black and Atmos Tour Spec Black will have similar launch + spins. With lower Torque mixed with Velocore Technology Ventus reduces the clubhead from twisting through impact. Centerness of contact and less twist will eliminate gear effect and the ball will fly straighter, not to mention improved ball speed. TR has a much softer tip and higher torque. Due to the increased stiffness in the midsection TR will allow launch to be similar to Atmos Black + Ventus Black but spin will be slightly higher.

> >

> > Let us know if that helps clarify and if you have any further questions. Thanks for all of the feedback on VB so far and glad to hear it's working well for those who have tried it. We are sending out 5 shafts to the lucky few who were selected for the testing so those should be live soon, stay tuned.

>

> Appreciate the response! One more question on the comparison with the TR. Does the much softer tip apply to the TX as well? From your website looks like specs with the TR Tx and ventus black appear to be pretty similar.

 

Great question, I asked the same exact question directly to Fuji and their response was, "The Ventus Black 7X has a tip stiffness of 86 mm. The Speeder 757 TR TX has a tip stiffness of 88 mm so we are just talking a slightly stiffer tip in the Ventus Black."

 

[mjmurphy]

> @SMUGamer said:

> > @mjmurphy said:

> > > @"Fujikura Golf" said:

> > > Hi guys, to answer a few of your questions about how VB compares,

> > > Ventus Black and Atmos Tour Spec Black will have similar launch + spins. With lower Torque mixed with Velocore Technology Ventus reduces the clubhead from twisting through impact. Centerness of contact and less twist will eliminate gear effect and the ball will fly straighter, not to mention improved ball speed. TR has a much softer tip and higher torque. Due to the increased stiffness in the midsection TR will allow launch to be similar to Atmos Black + Ventus Black but spin will be slightly higher.

> > >

> > > Let us know if that helps clarify and if you have any further questions. Thanks for all of the feedback on VB so far and glad to hear it's working well for those who have tried it. We are sending out 5 shafts to the lucky few who were selected for the testing so those should be live soon, stay tuned.

> >

> > Appreciate the response! One more question on the comparison with the TR. Does the much softer tip apply to the TX as well? From your website looks like specs with the TR Tx and ventus black appear to be pretty similar.

>

> Great question, I asked the same exact question directly to Fuji and their response was, "The Ventus Black 7 X has a tip stiffness of 86 mm. The Speeder 757 TR TX has a tip stiffness of 88 mm so we are just talking a slightly stiffer tip in the Ventus Black."

>

Awesome. Thanks for the response and that makes sense. Let me know if you end up comparing the black to the TR.

 

[SMUGamer]

> @mjmurphy said:

> > @SMUGamer said:

> > > @mjmurphy said:

> > > > @"Fujikura Golf" said:

> > > > Hi guys, to answer a few of your questions about how VB compares,

> > > > Ventus Black and Atmos Tour Spec Black will have similar launch + spins. With lower Torque mixed with Velocore Technology Ventus reduces the clubhead from twisting through impact. Centerness of contact and less twist will eliminate gear effect and the ball will fly straighter, not to mention improved ball speed. TR has a much softer tip and higher torque. Due to the increased stiffness in the midsection TR will allow launch to be similar to Atmos Black + Ventus Black but spin will be slightly higher.

> > > >

> > > > Let us know if that helps clarify and if you have any further questions. Thanks for all of the feedback on VB so far and glad to hear it's working well for those who have tried it. We are sending out 5 shafts to the lucky few who were selected for the testing so those should be live soon, stay tuned.

> > >

> > > Appreciate the response! One more question on the comparison with the TR. Does the much softer tip apply to the TX as well? From your website looks like specs with the TR Tx and ventus black appear to be pretty similar.

> >

> > Great question, I asked the same exact question directly to Fuji and their response was, "The Ventus Black 7 X has a tip stiffness of 86 mm. The Speeder 757 TR TX has a tip stiffness of 88 mm so we are just talking a slightly stiffer tip in the Ventus Black."

> >

> Awesome. Thanks for the response and that makes sense. Let me know if you end up comparing the black to the TR.

>

 

Im playing my Speeder 757 TR TX until they come out with a Ventus Black TX flex. No need to move laterally until then..... My TR TX is an awesome shaft, extremely pleased.

[mjmurphy]

> @SMUGamer said:

> > @mjmurphy said:

> > > @SMUGamer said:

> > > > @mjmurphy said:

> > > > > @"Fujikura Golf" said:

> > > > > Hi guys, to answer a few of your questions about how VB compares,

> > > > > Ventus Black and Atmos Tour Spec Black will have similar launch + spins. With lower Torque mixed with Velocore Technology Ventus reduces the clubhead from twisting through impact. Centerness of contact and less twist will eliminate gear effect and the ball will fly straighter, not to mention improved ball speed. TR has a much softer tip and higher torque. Due to the increased stiffness in the midsection TR will allow launch to be similar to Atmos Black + Ventus Black but spin will be slightly higher.

> > > > >

> > > > > Let us know if that helps clarify and if you have any further questions. Thanks for all of the feedback on VB so far and glad to hear it's working well for those who have tried it. We are sending out 5 shafts to the lucky few who were selected for the testing so those should be live soon, stay tuned.

> > > >

> > > > Appreciate the response! One more question on the comparison with the TR. Does the much softer tip apply to the TX as well? From your website looks like specs with the TR Tx and ventus black appear to be pretty similar.

> > >

> > > Great question, I asked the same exact question directly to Fuji and their response was, "The Ventus Black 7 X has a tip stiffness of 86 mm. The Speeder 757 TR TX has a tip stiffness of 88 mm so we are just talking a slightly stiffer tip in the Ventus Black."

> > >

> > Awesome. Thanks for the response and that makes sense. Let me know if you end up comparing the black to the TR.

> >

>

> Im playing my Speeder 757 TR TX until they come out with a Ventus Black TX flex. No need to move laterally until then..... My TR TX is an awesome shaft, extremely pleased.

 

Feel the same way about my TR. have you tried one in a fairway wood yet?

[SMUGamer]

> @mjmurphy said:

> > @SMUGamer said:

> > > @mjmurphy said:

> > > > @SMUGamer said:

> > > > > @mjmurphy said:

> > > > > > @"Fujikura Golf" said:

> > > > > > Hi guys, to answer a few of your questions about how VB compares,

> > > > > > Ventus Black and Atmos Tour Spec Black will have similar launch + spins. With lower Torque mixed with Velocore Technology Ventus reduces the clubhead from twisting through impact. Centerness of contact and less twist will eliminate gear effect and the ball will fly straighter, not to mention improved ball speed. TR has a much softer tip and higher torque. Due to the increased stiffness in the midsection TR will allow launch to be similar to Atmos Black + Ventus Black but spin will be slightly higher.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Let us know if that helps clarify and if you have any further questions. Thanks for all of the feedback on VB so far and glad to hear it's working well for those who have tried it. We are sending out 5 shafts to the lucky few who were selected for the testing so those should be live soon, stay tuned.

> > > > >

> > > > > Appreciate the response! One more question on the comparison with the TR. Does the much softer tip apply to the TX as well? From your website looks like specs with the TR Tx and ventus black appear to be pretty similar.

> > > >

> > > > Great question, I asked the same exact question directly to Fuji and their response was, "The Ventus Black 7 X has a tip stiffness of 86 mm. The Speeder 757 TR TX has a tip stiffness of 88 mm so we are just talking a slightly stiffer tip in the Ventus Black."

> > > >

> > > Awesome. Thanks for the response and that makes sense. Let me know if you end up comparing the black to the TR.

> > >

> >

> > Im playing my Speeder 757 TR TX until they come out with a Ventus Black TX flex. No need to move laterally until then..... My TR TX is an awesome shaft, extremely pleased.

>

> Feel the same way about my TR. have you tried one in a fairway wood yet?

 

No, but wouldn't hesitate to try 'em if I didn't already love my Graphite design TX shafts in both my fairways. Im sure they would be great.

[cj4501]

> @SMUGamer said:

> > @mjmurphy said:

> > > @"Fujikura Golf" said:

> > > Hi guys, to answer a few of your questions about how VB compares,

> > > Ventus Black and Atmos Tour Spec Black will have similar launch + spins. With lower Torque mixed with Velocore Technology Ventus reduces the clubhead from twisting through impact. Centerness of contact and less twist will eliminate gear effect and the ball will fly straighter, not to mention improved ball speed. TR has a much softer tip and higher torque. Due to the increased stiffness in the midsection TR will allow launch to be similar to Atmos Black + Ventus Black but spin will be slightly higher.

> > >

> > > Let us know if that helps clarify and if you have any further questions. Thanks for all of the feedback on VB so far and glad to hear it's working well for those who have tried it. We are sending out 5 shafts to the lucky few who were selected for the testing so those should be live soon, stay tuned.

> >

> > Appreciate the response! One more question on the comparison with the TR. Does the much softer tip apply to the TX as well? From your website looks like specs with the TR Tx and ventus black appear to be pretty similar.

>

> Great question, I asked the same exact question directly to Fuji and their response was, "The Ventus Black 7X has a tip stiffness of 86 mm. The Speeder 757 TR TX has a tip stiffness of 88 mm so we are just talking a slightly stiffer tip in the Ventus Black."

>

 

Any idea what a ts black 6s tip stiffness would be compared to black ventus? Still trying to decide if worth the investment.

[jblough99]

> @cj4501 said:

>

> Any idea what a ts black 6s tip stiffness would be compared to black ventus? Still trying to decide if worth the investment.

 

Ventus black 6s is 92 and atmos ts black 6s is 87. It’s all listed on Fujikura’s website. They give very detailed specs vs many other companies.

[cj4501]

> @jblough99 said:

> > @cj4501 said:

> >

> > Any idea what a ts black 6s tip stiffness would be compared to black ventus? Still trying to decide if worth the investment.

>

> Ventus black 6s is 92 and atmos ts black 6s is 87. It’s all listed on Fujikura’s website. They give very detailed specs vs many other companies.

 

Do you even notice 5mm difference? Kind of new to understating shafts so sorry If a stupid question my man!

[QuigleyDU]

@taylorx300

 

I saw your name on the Fuji instagram ConGrats!!

[derekthomas14]

I haven't had the change to try it. Tried the blue but i'm even more excited for this one.

[Z1ggy16]

Compares between VB and the HZRDUS Smoke black?

 

I like how the Haz Black smoke feels (very smooth, low launch/spin) but I think due to the higher torque it does tend to twist a lot on miss hits. I tend to have a little toey miss which usually spells over draws... not the end of the world but can cause issues when I'm trying to hit "safe" shots like aiming away from hazards and trying to fade the ball back toward the fairway.

[ChuckD724]

Dang, I missed the tester shafts which would have been cool to be part of!

[JBurt0520]

Anyone have experience with the 7X? I’m looking to pick up the Ventus Black to replace my current setup on my M6 (currently using the stock Atmos Black - Non Tour version). It’s a 6X at 67g, I find it a bit whipy, and have issues constantly finding the center of the face. For context my swing speed is 115-125 range and I’m an athletic 200lbs.

 

All my fellow players suggested I go to the 70g range, 78g of the Ventus Black 7X is just a bit intimidating and the 6X is 65g, less than the 67g I have now. I would love to try them out but none of the fitters in my area have one to try. Any opinions are welcomed.

[QuigleyDU]

I find this a good review. I find it very interesting that he got his highest swing speeds and highest ball speeds with the black.. he and I swing pretty similar so I am more interested in the black now.

 

 

[ddetts]

> @QuigleyDU said:

> I find this a good review. I find it very interesting that he got his highest swing speeds and highest ball speeds with the black.. he and I swing pretty similar so I am more interested in the black now.

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Wish I was dropping mid 120s clubhead speed consistently! That's beast mode right there. It looks like at the end for the summary even though it's a little shorter on distance, the blue has better dispersion for him. If I was hitting it that far I would take the dispersion to give up a few yards.

[QuigleyDU]

> @ddetts said:

> > @QuigleyDU said:

> > I find this a good review. I find it very interesting that he got his highest swing speeds and highest ball speeds with the black.. he and I swing pretty similar so I am more interested in the black now.

> >

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> Wish I was dropping mid 120s clubhead speed consistently! That's beast mode right there. It looks like at the end for the summary even though it's a little shorter on distance, the blue has better dispersion for him. If I was hitting it that far I would take the dispersion to give up a few yards.

 

I love the ventus blue that I am currently playing. You can see that his dispersion improved as he swung the black and made some adjustments.

[MillerLowLife]

> @QuigleyDU said:

> > @ddetts said:

> > > @QuigleyDU said:

> > > I find this a good review. I find it very interesting that he got his highest swing speeds and highest ball speeds with the black.. he and I swing pretty similar so I am more interested in the black now.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> > Wish I was dropping mid 120s clubhead speed consistently! That's beast mode right there. It looks like at the end for the summary even though it's a little shorter on distance, the blue has better dispersion for him. If I was hitting it that far I would take the dispersion to give up a few yards.

>

> I love the ventus blue that I am currently playing. You can see that his dispersion improved as he swung the black and made some adjustments.

 

Totally. I mean switching between 3 different shafts, your timing is going to be thrown off. How the shaft loads/kicks and is weighted will take some adjustments for anyone's release. I'm not all that surprised that at his swing speed, he is getting better numbers with the Black - since it has the stiffer butt/middle section. Definitely want to try out the 7x in the Black with the stiffer butt/middle than the blue and the 7 is less torque?

[t4t3r]

Big fan of TXG but in that video Matt looked to be swinging noticeably harder with the black. Surprise surprise, his club head speed was higher with the black under the guise of "I feel like I can go after this one more." I don't doubt that can be a factor in testing, but give him those same 3 shafts with no paint or graphics and I'd be willing to bet the results wouldn't be such a perfect roadmap for this line. Otherwise I agree that it seemed like the blue was a better fit.

[QuigleyDU]

> @t4t3r said:

> Big fan of TXG but in that video Matt looked to be swinging noticeably harder with the black. Surprise surprise, his club head speed was higher with the black under the guise of "I feel like I can go after this one more." I don't doubt that can be a factor in testing, but give him those same 3 shafts with no paint or graphics and I'd be willing to bet the results wouldn't be such a perfect roadmap for this line. Otherwise I agree that it seemed like the blue was a better fit.

 

Well, you can hear him say on the big miss to the left "I really tried to go after that one". so you make a fair point. As it is with all these videos or reviews, they are guides not gospels.

[SMUGamer]

> @QuigleyDU said:

> > @t4t3r said:

> > Big fan of TXG but in that video Matt looked to be swinging noticeably harder with the black. Surprise surprise, his club head speed was higher with the black under the guise of "I feel like I can go after this one more." I don't doubt that can be a factor in testing, but give him those same 3 shafts with no paint or graphics and I'd be willing to bet the results wouldn't be such a perfect roadmap for this line. Otherwise I agree that it seemed like the blue was a better fit.

>

> Well, you can hear him say on the big miss to the left "I really tried to go after that one". so you make a fair point. As it is with all these videos or reviews, they are guides not gospels.

And, it's HUMAN testing (subject to human factors/variables) not robot testing.

[Z1ggy16]

> @ddetts said:

> > @QuigleyDU said:

> > I find this a good review. I find it very interesting that he got his highest swing speeds and highest ball speeds with the black.. he and I swing pretty similar so I am more interested in the black now.

> >

> >

> >

>

> Wish I was dropping mid 120s clubhead speed consistently! That's beast mode right there. It looks like at the end for the summary even though it's a little shorter on distance, the blue has better dispersion for him. If I was hitting it that far I would take the dispersion to give up a few yards.

 

I tend to agree. His spin model was also slightly better, too. He has the speed and launch to be fine sub 2000 on spin, but on the golf course (and I think Matt has even talked about this) I really think he would like to see 2100-2200 to help stabilize his flight since he fights an overdraw.

[puresurfr]

Took the Ventus 6X black for a quick test run today and it feels a lot like the Atmos black but a slightly lighter feel. It cut through the air exactly like the Hulk 6.5X . Very similar shafts, I didn't notice increased swing speeds or ball speeds but I could tell launch was slightly up and spin was slightly down when compared side by side with my Ventus Blue, I like the Ventus Black but I am a better fit with Ventus Black.

[puresurfr]

For those of you looking for a shaft that is right in between the Ventus Blue and Black, the Raijin Black would fit the bill.....plays like a Ventus "Deep Purple"

[vakaviti]

Anyone hit the Ventus Black 7X and come away bagging it? Currently gaming HZRDUS smoke black 6.5 70g and have the opportunity to get a VB 7X just worried it might be too stiff compared to what I have read about the blue profile. Swing speed with driver is usually 107 to 115 depending on how im feeling.

[aceboog]

curious on this as well

 

> @JBurt0520 said:

> Anyone have experience with the 7X? I’m looking to pick up the Ventus Black to replace my current setup on my M6 (currently using the stock Atmos Black - Non Tour version). It’s a 6X at 67g, I find it a bit whipy, and have issues constantly finding the center of the face. For context my swing speed is 115-125 range and I’m an athletic 200lbs.

>

> All my fellow players suggested I go to the 70g range, 78g of the Ventus Black 7X is just a bit intimidating and the 6X is 65g, less than the 67g I have now. I would love to try them out but none of the fitters in my area have one to try. Any opinions are welcomed.

 

 

[QuigleyDU]

> @aceboog said:

> curious on this as well

>

> > @JBurt0520 said:

> > Anyone have experience with the 7X? I’m looking to pick up the Ventus Black to replace my current setup on my M6 (currently using the stock Atmos Black - Non Tour version). It’s a 6X at 67g, I find it a bit whipy, and have issues constantly finding the center of the face. For context my swing speed is 115-125 range and I’m an athletic 200lbs.

> >

> > All my fellow players suggested I go to the 70g range, 78g of the Ventus Black 7X is just a bit intimidating and the 6X is 65g, less than the 67g I have now. I would love to try them out but none of the fitters in my area have one to try. Any opinions are welcomed.

>

>

 

You may be happy with just the TS atmos. It is a completely different animal than with is in the tm heads.

[Polly509109]

SS between 108-112. Was fitted for Atamos Black TS6X at Club Champion. I have played the Regular Atamos 6X. In my M5 as well as the Ventus Blue 6X. Now gaming the Ventus Black 7S. It’s Very Stable. Feels to me as stiff as a my 70 tour X Tensei Pro White (lil bit of a shaft ho) An has totally eliminated the left side of the course, for me. Still in honeymoon phase tho. But, for now it’s safely in the bag.