Attn Shaft Gurus

[Poolparty]

How do you guys figure out how shafts play without trying them and without having the shaft being reviewed on Gofshaftreviews.com? I'll usually google and search here but the results I find are scattered and unreliable. Shaft Reviews is great but they don't have every shaft and they only have a few hybrid shafts which is what I'm most interested in now

[jgard320]

Wouldn't call myself a guru, but any general information relative to butt/tip stiffness usually gives an idea regarding launch. Generally speaking, the softer the butt and stiffer the tip, the lower the launch. Knowing the exact bend profile is tough without frequency measuring yourself or relying on an EI curve that is already done.

 

Most hybrid shafts are going to be designed to get the ball up into the air, which would imply a relatively softer tip section or a softening near the mid/tip section. If you want a lower launch out of a hybrid, anything with a black profile, tensei pro white, or an iron shaft would be your ticket.

[Howard_Jones]

Nobody can tell how a certain shaft will work for you, thats individual and is about how you and your swing respond to that feel and profile. We can look at El profile and compare shafts and get a idea of what to expect, but thats not always what we get, and it never tells "how large a difference" it would be for ball flight if that was the question.

 

But...shafts should NOT be traced to get a certain ball flight, thats a LOFT issue, and shaft different profiles only make a difference for players whit some load and a late release of the club. Even for this players, launch will depend on what swing they put on the club, while a loft change is a constant factor we can rely on = better dispersion when the right shaft is found. Simply go by Weight, Feel and Dispersion, and leave ball flight to lofts, thats why we play the same shaft in a set of irons with different lofts, instead of the same loft and different shafts...

 

Just look at Tiger, he plays DG X100, a LOW launch profile, so we might think he wants LOW launch, but thats wrong, he plays them with lofts 2 weak to get high launch, and stick with X100 because thats the feel he is used to and he like it that way.

[Adam C]

> @"Howard Jones" said:

> Nobody can tell how a certain shaft will work for you, thats individual and is about how you and your swing respond to that feel and profile. We can look at El profile and compare shafts and get a idea of what to expect, but thats not always what we get, and it never tells "how large a difference" it would be for ball flight if that was the question.

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> But...shafts should NOT be traced to get a certain ball flight, thats a LOFT issue, and shaft different profiles only make a difference for players whit some load and a late release of the club. Even for this players, launch will depend on what swing they put on the club, while a loft change is a constant factor we can rely on = better dispersion when the right shaft is found. Simply go by Weight, Feel and Dispersion, and leave ball flight to lofts, thats why we play the same shaft in a set of irons with different lofts, instead of the same loft and different shafts...

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> Just look at Tiger, he plays DG X100, a LOW launch profile, so we might think he wants LOW launch, but thats wrong, he plays them with lofts 2 weak to get high launch, and stick with X100 because thats the feel he is used to and he like it that way.

 

Perfect answer.

[Poolparty]

 

> @jgard320 said:

> Wouldn't call myself a guru, but any general information relative to butt/tip stiffness usually gives an idea regarding launch. Generally speaking, the softer the butt and stiffer the tip, the lower the launch. Knowing the exact bend profile is tough without frequency measuring yourself or relying on an EI curve that is already done.

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> Most hybrid shafts are going to be designed to get the ball up into the air, which would imply a relatively softer tip section or a softening near the mid/tip section. If you want a lower launch out of a hybrid, anything with a black profile, tensei pro white, or an iron shaft would be your ticket.

 

Yeah I agree. I think I'm just finding out that hybrid shafts aren't as important as wood and iron shafts. I agree with that, but it's tough when a hoe needs a hybrid shaft.

 

[jgard320]

> @Poolparty said:

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> > @jgard320 said:

> > Wouldn't call myself a guru, but any general information relative to butt/tip stiffness usually gives an idea regarding launch. Generally speaking, the softer the butt and stiffer the tip, the lower the launch. Knowing the exact bend profile is tough without frequency measuring yourself or relying on an EI curve that is already done.

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> > Most hybrid shafts are going to be designed to get the ball up into the air, which would imply a relatively softer tip section or a softening near the mid/tip section. If you want a lower launch out of a hybrid, anything with a black profile, tensei pro white, or an iron shaft would be your ticket.

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> Yeah I agree. I think I'm just finding out that hybrid shafts aren't as important as wood and iron shafts. I agree with that, but it's tough when a hoe needs a hybrid shaft.

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I would just go with your iron shaft if you cut it to iron length and intend to use it as an iron replacement. Use a hybrid shaft at a slightly longer length if you are filling a gap or using it to replace a wood.

[Howard_Jones]

> @jgard320 said:

> > @Poolparty said:

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> > > @jgard320 said:

> > > Wouldn't call myself a guru, but any general information relative to butt/tip stiffness usually gives an idea regarding launch. Generally speaking, the softer the butt and stiffer the tip, the lower the launch. Knowing the exact bend profile is tough without frequency measuring yourself or relying on an EI curve that is already done.

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> > > Most hybrid shafts are going to be designed to get the ball up into the air, which would imply a relatively softer tip section or a softening near the mid/tip section. If you want a lower launch out of a hybrid, anything with a black profile, tensei pro white, or an iron shaft would be your ticket.

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> > Yeah I agree. I think I'm just finding out that hybrid shafts aren't as important as wood and iron shafts. I agree with that, but it's tough when a hoe needs a hybrid shaft.

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> I would just go with your iron shaft if you cut it to iron length and intend to use it as an iron replacement. Use a hybrid shaft at a slightly longer length if you are filling a gap or using it to replace a wood.

 

I have some PMs with @Poolparty about this, so i know what he is up to, but in general we have a few guidelines that might be good to know.

 

If we have plans to play a hybrid at the same play length as the iron we take out of the bag, the fast and easy is to use the same shaft as we use for irons. Some players struggle with "the long end", total wgt and resistance becomes higher than the player can handle, so he need to swing out of his shoes to make it work, and thats no good for dispersion. In those cases we can take advantage of more forgiveness a Hybrid has in general compared to irons, and go up to 30 grams down on uncut weight, and add up to 1 inch on play length (depending on limit for feel of head weight/SW values)

This way we can help the player to gain the club speed he could not do using a iron shaft.

 

In "my book", Ascending weight is the ideal (the bag as a whole). In irons we get the same shaft MOI (actual resistance from the shaft alone) if we use 6 grams pr inch, for woods, 4 grams pr inch, and i guess it make sense for you then when you see my charts for shaft weight progression in the bag where im using 5 grams uncut shaft weight pr inch as my suggestion for a good starting point for testing.

 

Here is a updated version of it, where ive put TT AMT White irons into the chart to make it all more visible for how it actually looks like. The red Frame ive added is what i expect to be the lower and higher WGT limits for what will feel and work right for AMT White players. Never mind club head labels (3W or 2H), the compare is play lengths, so those labels is only helpers, its NOT what the chart shows, but the progression of shaft weight vs play length.