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The biggest thing is finding what you are comfy with and what works for you. I have 4 pw,gw,sw and lw. Depending on things each has a specific use, unless other things dictate it. I learned this from trial and error and practice.

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Based upon the responses, I may look to add a 52 or 53 for next season since I only carry 13 clubs at the moment.

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Like many above I carry a 47/52/56/60 combo. It doesn't mess with my head at all. I never feel like I'm agonizing over which wedge to use.

 

47- 140 full, 130 flighted, 120 3/4 held off/cutty, 110 half shot knockdown for wind

52 - 120 full, 110 little, 100-110 3/4 knock down

56- 105 full rip back, 90 3/4 stop or slight back up and then everything from greenside chips to 90 pitches, longer bunker shots - my most used wedge

60- 90 full rip back - don't use this that much, 75 3/4 stopper, and then any front pin pitch inside of that. All my greenside bunker shots or shortsided chips.

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> @balls_deep said:

> Like many above I carry a 47/52/56/60 combo. It doesn't mess with my head at all. I never feel like I'm agonizing over which wedge to use.

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> 47- 140 full, 130 flighted, 120 3/4 held off/cutty, 110 half shot knockdown for wind

> 52 - 120 full, 110 little, 100-110 3/4 knock down

> 56- 105 full rip back, 90 3/4 stop or slight back up and then everything from greenside chips to 90 pitches, longer bunker shots - my most used wedge

> 60- 90 full rip back - don't use this that much, 75 3/4 stopper, and then any front pin pitch inside of that. All my greenside bunker shots or shortsided chips.

 

I think it's a personality trait, not a matter of what clubs in your bag. There are some people for whom a "choice" or "option" during a round of golf is a reason to get doubtful, nervous or to overthink things. And there are others who when faced with a "choice" tend to view it as having one simple and obvious option so they just ignore the others unless there's some specific reason to look for an alternative.

 

When discussing golf course architecture, some people will insist that if you leave a green wide open with neither side protected by a bunker or if you mow down the rough to make missing the fairway 40 yards left or right not much worse than hitting the fairway, then the "options" will put doubt in the mind of the golfer and make the shot harder. Which is preposterous but some commentators have a mental image of golfers who get nervous and flaky when not faced with a clear do-or-die situation.

 

I think the "confusion" from having four or five wedges instead of two or three falls in that same category. It only really applies to a very small number of people who, for whatever reason, are predisposed to dither over real or imagined choices rather than just plowing ahead with their stock shot 99% of the time.

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I am using 5. Mostly because of the set. PW(44), GW (48) Md forged 52, MD4 in 56 and 60. The set wedges are for full swings, and the rest is for mostly partial shots.

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There is another factor here to possibly consider:

A "rule of thumb" (and a VERY GENERAL rule...of which there are always exceptions) for gaping clubs/wedges is about 4 degrees. That usually lends to roughly 10-12 yards of distance between clubs on full shots. So it's nice to have the 4 degree/10 yard gap to make choosing clubs for shot distances easier.

 

However, that's only at a certain swing speed. If you aren't blessed with and abundance of swing speed, then the 4 degree difference starts to compress down in terms of yardage gap. That's where a 5 or 6 degree gap between wedges might be more beneficial.

 

My mother just purchased a new Ping G Le2 set, and is using the full set of wedges from that:

9i: 40

PW: 45

UW (gap): 52 <- this one I don't get

SW: 58

The understanding is that at the slower swing speed, the distances between the wedges are probably 10ish yards with a 5-7 degree loft difference. So, I can imagine that if you want a consistent yardage gap between your wedges, but have a slower swing speed, then you will need more loft differential between wedges, and therefore might not need to carry more than 3.

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I tried the Ping 2.0 52 deg wedge and found it to be very useful in my current setup. I really like the sole interaction through the turf and the fact that it has a nice dull (brushed) finish.

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Not a single mention of bounce in this thread. 4 wedges, 4 bounce options. PW/GW both mid bounce, use them interchanably depending on how fast greens are and how much height/runout I need. SW high bounce - fluffy bunkers, bad lies, long grass etc. LW low bounce for tight lies and everything else.

 

Those who run into issues making choices when using more wedges need to compartmentalize their thoughts and break down the shot - the correct club will then appear in your mind.

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I have 46 set wedge, 50 low bounce, 54 high bounce and 58 hi-toe atv. I'm comfortable playing all of them as a full shot which gives me good gapping from 140ish to 100ish yards but if I'm within 80 yards I will almost always choose the 58 and play it in different ways. I don't know if it's the shaft or the hi-toe itself but it's easy to flight low, easy out of the bunker and easy to get up in the air if I need to. I have such limited time to practice it's a lot easier for me to try and focus on getting comfortable with different shots with one club than to get comfortable with different shots with multiple clubs. I also am a realist with my golf game which helps with the expectations. If I'm 62 yards out and I end up 10 yards from the pin I don't beat myself up about it, I take the two putt and move on. If the pin is six feet onto the green and I'm chipping over a bunker I'm probably just going to play it to land on the green and release long instead of trying to hit the super high lob shot that gives me a better chance at the up and down if I execute it well. My "realistic" expectations provide a lot less stress/worry in my decision making with what club I use because my acceptable result is more easily achievable.

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> @rt_charger said:

> Not a single mention of bounce in this thread. 4 wedges, 4 bounce options. PW/GW both mid bounce, use them interchanably depending on how fast greens are and how much height/runout I need. SW high bounce - fluffy bunkers, bad lies, long grass etc. LW low bounce for tight lies and everything else.

>

> Those who run into issues making choices when using more wedges need to compartmentalize their thoughts and break down the shot - the correct club will then appear in your mind.

 

I use all the bounce I can get. Nothing in my short game requires low or medium bounce. I'm not ever trying to slide the leading edge under the ball.

 

In my Vokey wedges there's only one option in the 46 but in the 50 and 54 I go with the higher bounce full grinds and in the 60 I go with either D grind which is high bounce with heel and toe relief or K grind which is high bounce, wide sole and no relief. I don't ever feel like I'm missing anything by not carrying a low bounce wedge.

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I personally think it’s crazy, for most golfers, to sacrifice a wedge for another longer club. If I miss a green or play a course with a lot of shots 100 and in, I want to be able to hit every possible shot.

 

I’m a big believer though that modern iron sets should design the PW to be 50 degrees with equal gaps down to a 22 degree 4 iron. Most players don’t need such tight distance gaps, especially in the long irons. I’m sure OEM’s would hate this idea though because they’d technically sell less clubs (no gap wedges). There are also those players who’d be turned off by hitting their PW “shorter”.

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> @PowderedToastMan said:

> I personally think it’s crazy, for most golfers, to sacrifice a wedge for another longer club. If I miss a green or play a course with a lot of shots 100 and in, I want to be able to hit every possible shot.

>

> I’m a big believer though that modern iron sets should design the PW to be 50 degrees with equal gaps down to a 22 degree 4 iron. Most players don’t need such tight distance gaps, especially in the long irons. I’m sure OEM’s would hate this idea though because they’d technically sell less clubs (no gap wedges). There are also those players who’d be turned off by hitting their PW “shorter”.

 

This so many times over. I would take this set with a 54 sand wedge and a 58 lob wedge every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

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> @rt_charger said:

> Not a single mention of bounce in this thread. 4 wedges, 4 bounce options. PW/GW both mid bounce, use them interchanably depending on how fast greens are and how much height/runout I need. SW high bounce - fluffy bunkers, bad lies, long grass etc. LW low bounce for tight lies and everything else.

>

> Those who run into issues making choices when using more wedges need to compartmentalize their thoughts and break down the shot - the correct club will then appear in your mind.

 

You make an excellent point about bounce. I am still learning the nuances of the game but bounce and sole interaction is very high on my list. As for the compartmentalization aspect, easier said than done. :#

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Don’t worry about what loft you have. Honestly... it doesn’t matter that much. Think about, “what trajectory will get me closest to the hole?”. Then pick the wedge that best produces that shot.

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> Don’t worry about what loft you have. Honestly... it doesn’t matter that much. Think about, “what trajectory will get me closest to the hole?”. Then pick the wedge that best produces that shot.

 

Don't better players have the ability to "flight" a shot with just about any club? Proper loft = proper distance gapping, no?

 

 

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> @BetterAtBingo said:

> > @rt_charger said:

> > Not a single mention of bounce in this thread. 4 wedges, 4 bounce options. PW/GW both mid bounce, use them interchanably depending on how fast greens are and how much height/runout I need. SW high bounce - fluffy bunkers, bad lies, long grass etc. LW low bounce for tight lies and everything else.

> >

> > Those who run into issues making choices when using more wedges need to compartmentalize their thoughts and break down the shot - the correct club will then appear in your mind.

>

> You make an excellent point about bounce. I am still learning the nuances of the game but bounce and sole interaction is very high on my list. As for the compartmentalization aspect, easier said than done. :#

 

Bounce is extremely important in allowing you execute a shot from any lie (including sole grind). Those who arent worried about what bounce likely isn't using it very much or are rather simple with their short game.

 

As to compartmentalizing, just try to tackle each aspect one at a time like a maths problem - is my lie fluffy or tight, do I have to get over something, do i have much green to work with? Is it downhill? So on....

 

Once you answer those questions you will be left with the exact shot required to get you closest to the hole. From there it's a matter of looking at your wedges and determining which club gives you the ability to play that shot (like you aren't playing a high lofted drop and stop shot off a tight lie with a high bounce sand wedge). Seems complicated and a lot of information, but break it down and it becomes straight forward.

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I'm a 16hcp, so yeah.

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- Mainly to fill the gap on approach shots. 90-110yds.

- I also use this wedge on uphill chip and pitch shots, it gives me just a bit more roll than the 54, with the same stroke.

**54 - sand wedge (low bounce) - SM-7 08 M-grind**

- This is my go-to for all chips, pitches, and flops. This is the club I've worked to develop a feel for. Love this club.

- Approach shots 0-90 yds

**58 - lob wedge SM-7 12 D-grind**

- High-bounce monster. I use it in fluffy and spongy stuff.

- Also on the occasional 80 yd approach.

- I don't really know this club well yet. (most recent purchase)

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Set PW, 52/56/60. The 52 is almost always a full swing club. The 60 I use for almost everything inside 40 yards, it’s just so versatile. 56 is my full swing 100y club/knockdown club between 40 and 100.

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For me carrying three wedges is a gapping issue. While there is some benefit around the greens which allows me to hit different shots, it's really about how modern clubs are lofted for me. I play the Ping i200 which are moderately lofted, with the PW at 45*. Hence, I need to start my first wedge in the 49/50 range. I carry my driver 250-270 which trickles down to my PW which I hit about 135. I want a lob wedge, so if I didn't carry a 54* I would have a 15 degrees between PW and LW.

 

20 years ago (42 now and 8hcp) the clubs had weaker lofts, so I had Driver, 3 and 5-wood before going in to the irons in order to handle shots from >200 yards. Now I hit my 4-iron 200 yards so that's not an issue anymore and for 220 yards I play a G400 Crossover at 19* instead of trying to smack a 2-iron as I did back then. Obviously having a 60* helps me land short shots more softly and consistently than opening up my old 56* sandwedge, so there are other benefits as well.

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Really good stuff! It's more than likely I will add at least one more wedge to help with the shots from 110 - 90 yards.

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45/50/54/58 and really don't have any confusions arise even though I can use each of these clubs within 100, but some get used more often is all.

45- 130-135 full swings, long running chips, choke down high cuts to about 110, green side chips

50 - 120-125 full swings, longer green side bunker shots, choke down shots to 105-110, greenside chips

54- 110-115 full swings, open stance for 85-95 yard pitches, higher launching bunker shots, flops, low spinners, green side chips

58 - 90-100 full swings, choke down pitches 75-85, bunkers, hard pan flops, green side chips

 

The only time I really get stuck on shots is when I need right at a 100-105 shot as it is in between a really solid full swing 58 (which I can do but am not terribly fond of) or a choke down soft 54 which I tend to decelerate on and get flippy. I love having the different lofts, grinds, and bounce levels however for shots within 100 yards. My 54 and 58 are my go-to's within 75 yards, however, I practice enough to know I can use any of my wedges, just have to become familiarized first.

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My strategy has typically been gobs of bounce on the LW @ 60 for most versatility around greens (with plenty of heel relief), and lower bounce strong SW @ 54 for more straight forward shots from fairway and longer bunker shots and chips where I'm unlikely to need the bounce (or even want) the bounce as much. My pitch (at the moment an "Attack") wedge is an extension of my iron set as I generally dont use it for versatility

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I think I am echoing what a lot have said. Each club has specific purposes, but some of them overlap.

The 51 and PW (or even a 9 iron) are my bump and run clubs. They also gets full and 3/4 swings. The 51 is occasionally used for a long bunker shot with TONS of green.

59 is never hit more that 3/4 and is a specialty club. Lobs, high pitches, etc. It is never used from a bunker unless faced with a crazy shot... Like a buried or fried egg lie to a close cut pin and the green slopes away. And even then it has to be a "do or die" type moment.

55 is my all around club. Full swings to pitches, my "go to" out of a bunker, chips, etc.

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4 Wedges,

P 46* Srixon Z785 = Stock full shots (125 yds), almost never around green

A (gap) 50* Srixon Z785 = chips around green, lots of check for a gap wedge

S Vokey SM6 56* M grind = pitches from rough, sand shots on upslope

L Vokey SM6 60* L Grind = pitches from closely cut areas, sand shots from flat or minor upslopes

 

 

 

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I carry 46, 50, 54 & 60 but I only use the 60 around the greens. Rather than try to get cute with different clubs I just want to be really good with one club. I dropped a club up top and added a wedge down low because I had a tendency to pull my 46* when trying to take something off. So I added the 50* so I could play those shots with a full swing instead.

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My course is 6600-6800 from the tips on any given day and I'm longer than most people, so I see greater value carrying more wedges than having a larger selection on the other end of the bag. I carry a 22* 4 iron and then have 4* gaps all the way to my gap wedge at 50*. GW and PW are low bounce mostly for full shots though I do chip with the GW often. I then have a 56* bent to 55* which I use for everything. Full shots at about 108-113 yards or low pitches from 15 yards. Really versatile with a mid bounce. I round the set out with a very low bounce 60* that allows me to hit just about any kind of shot I need to. Can still get a nice full shot out of it 85-95 yds, but it's deadly out of the sand with the kind of swing I take. I experimented with a higher bounce 60*, but the low bouce seems to work best.

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If you're counting a PW as a wedge, I find that a PW, 56 & 60 are necessary just for different approach shots (135, 110, 95ish). Around the green I really only switch between 56/60 depending on how much I would like (more like wish, I'm not the greatest wedge player) to release. Otherwise I keep it pretty simple, but even this lends itself to 3 wedges.

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Great thread - there are so many options my head's been spinning! My old clubs had 2-9, PW, and SW and I never heard about bounce before. My new clubs go 2 lengths longer so I added a GW. PW = 46 deg so I ordered a 51 and 56. Plan is to use 51 for full-ish swings, and my 56/10 to replace my old <50yd scalpel of same loft/bounce.

 

But I could see going with 56 high bounce for sand/soft and 60 low bounce for green-side shots. I was taught to finesse the SW with open face, open stance, and handsy work so went with low bounce SW. Changing irons after 20 years is enough to get used to so didn't want to re-think strategy as well, but using a 60 and reducing finesse sounds less risky.

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      Taylor Montgomery - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Jake Knapp (KnappTime_ltd) - WITB - - 2024 Cognizant Classic
       
       
       
      Pullout Albums
       
      New Super Stoke Pistol Lock 1.0 & 2.0 grips - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      LA Golf new insert putter - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      New Garsen Quad Tour 15 grip - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      New Swag covers - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Jacob Bridgeman's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Bud Cauley's custom Cameron putters - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Ryo Hisatsune's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Chris Kirk - new black Callaway Apex CB irons and a few Odyssey putters - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Alejandro Tosti's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Cognizant Classic
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
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    • 2024 Genesis Invitational - Discussion and Links to Photos
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      General Albums
       
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Monday #1
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Monday #2
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Tuesday #1
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Tuesday #2
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Tuesday #3
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Tuesday #4
       
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
      Rory McIlroy - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Sepp Straka - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Patrick Rodgers - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Brendon Todd - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Denny McCarthy - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Corey Conners - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Chase Johnson - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tommy Fleetwood - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Matt Fitzpatrick - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Si Woo Kim - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Viktor Hovland - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Wyndham Clark - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Cam Davis - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Nick Taylor - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Ben Baller WITB update (New putter, driver, hybrid and shafts) – 2024 Genesis Invitational
       
       
       
       
       
      Pullout Albums
       
      New Vortex Golf rangefinder - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      New Fujikura Ventus shaft - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods & TaylorMade "Sun Day Red" apparel launch event, product photos – 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods Sun Day Red golf shoes - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Aretera shafts - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      New Toulon putters - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods' new white "Sun Day Red" golf shoe prototypes – 2024 Genesis Invitational
       
       
       
       
       
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