AMT Black vs AMT White (ball flight)

[herbert7890]

Hi everyone,

 

Just wanted to gather your input on the ball flight differences between AMT Black and AMT White. I recently got the T-200s with the stock AMT Black but after a few rounds and also re-testing on monitor, I believe my launch angle is too high with the Black (20.2 degrees with 7 iron). But wanted to see if there would be any marked difference (lets say 2 degrees or more) between AMT White and Black. I have 90 days to replace them with Edwin Watts Policy, so that helps.

 

My other options would be KBS Tour or Project X LZ 6.0

[North Butte]

No idea on relative ball flight (which is pretty individual thing anyway). But the AMT Black is quite a lot lighter than the White, just picking up a club and swinging it a few times I can feel a big difference.

 

If you get along well with the weight and balance of the AMT Black, I'm not sure switching into the White is a great idea. I'd look first at other shafts in that same 95-115g ascending weight category (like the AMT Black). But the ascending weight makes the pickings rather slim, alas.

 

I personally find that weight and balance is like 10x more important than tip stiffness or flex profile in a shaft.

[herbert7890]

> @"North Butte" said:

> No idea on relative ball flight (which is pretty individual thing anyway). But the AMT Black is quite a lot lighter than the White, just picking up a club and swinging it a few times I can feel a big difference.

>

> If you get along well with the weight and balance of the AMT Black, I'm not sure switching into the White is a great idea. I'd look first at other shafts in that same 95-115g ascending weight category (like the AMT Black). But the ascending weight makes the pickings rather slim, alas.

>

> I personally find that weight and balance is like 10x more important than tip stiffness or flex profile in a shaft.

 

thanks for the input, to be honest, im not sure if this light shafted feel is for me (i have always played True Temper DG) and play low spin/ low launch in all woods and driver (hzrdus smoke black). I will probably will need to schedule another fitting to include heavier shafts to see how they can help.

[North Butte]

> @herbert7890 said:

> > @"North Butte" said:

> > No idea on relative ball flight (which is pretty individual thing anyway). But the AMT Black is quite a lot lighter than the White, just picking up a club and swinging it a few times I can feel a big difference.

> >

> > If you get along well with the weight and balance of the AMT Black, I'm not sure switching into the White is a great idea. I'd look first at other shafts in that same 95-115g ascending weight category (like the AMT Black). But the ascending weight makes the pickings rather slim, alas.

> >

> > I personally find that weight and balance is like 10x more important than tip stiffness or flex profile in a shaft.

>

> thanks for the input, to be honest, im not sure if this light shafted feel is for me (i have always played True Temper DG) and play low spin/ low launch in all woods and driver (hzrdus smoke black). I will probably will need to schedule another fitting to include heavier shafts to see how they can help.

 

I'm a long-time DG user (roughly 1994-2011) who never quite fully settled into the 100g shaft thing. I recently went AMT White and am happy as a pig in slop.

[herbert7890]

> @"North Butte" said:

> > @herbert7890 said:

> > > @"North Butte" said:

> > > No idea on relative ball flight (which is pretty individual thing anyway). But the AMT Black is quite a lot lighter than the White, just picking up a club and swinging it a few times I can feel a big difference.

> > >

> > > If you get along well with the weight and balance of the AMT Black, I'm not sure switching into the White is a great idea. I'd look first at other shafts in that same 95-115g ascending weight category (like the AMT Black). But the ascending weight makes the pickings rather slim, alas.

> > >

> > > I personally find that weight and balance is like 10x more important than tip stiffness or flex profile in a shaft.

> >

> > thanks for the input, to be honest, im not sure if this light shafted feel is for me (i have always played True Temper DG) and play low spin/ low launch in all woods and driver (hzrdus smoke black). I will probably will need to schedule another fitting to include heavier shafts to see how they can help.

>

> I'm a long-time DG user (roughly 1994-2011) who never quite fully settled into the 100g shaft thing. I recently went AMT White and am happy as a pig in slop.

 

that gives me hope!! thanks!

[North Butte]

> @herbert7890 said:

> > @"North Butte" said:

> > > @herbert7890 said:

> > > > @"North Butte" said:

> > > > No idea on relative ball flight (which is pretty individual thing anyway). But the AMT Black is quite a lot lighter than the White, just picking up a club and swinging it a few times I can feel a big difference.

> > > >

> > > > If you get along well with the weight and balance of the AMT Black, I'm not sure switching into the White is a great idea. I'd look first at other shafts in that same 95-115g ascending weight category (like the AMT Black). But the ascending weight makes the pickings rather slim, alas.

> > > >

> > > > I personally find that weight and balance is like 10x more important than tip stiffness or flex profile in a shaft.

> > >

> > > thanks for the input, to be honest, im not sure if this light shafted feel is for me (i have always played True Temper DG) and play low spin/ low launch in all woods and driver (hzrdus smoke black). I will probably will need to schedule another fitting to include heavier shafts to see how they can help.

> >

> > I'm a long-time DG user (roughly 1994-2011) who never quite fully settled into the 100g shaft thing. I recently went AMT White and am happy as a pig in slop.

>

> that gives me hope!! thanks!

 

I said in another thread today if True Temper back then had made an ascending weight shaft that was Dynamic Gold at the short end and 112g (or whatever it is) in the 4-iron I'd have never played anything else. I swear my 4-iron *feels* like has a DGS300 except I can actually square up the face and generate some clubhead speed (which I could never manage with a DCI 990 and DG shaft back in the day).

[Poolparty]

White will launch lower but go in and hit different shafts. Anyone can tell you whatever — good or bad, but if it doesn’t work in practice then who cares? From what I understand the 90 policy is satisfaction guaranteed so you’re entitled to test different shafts. I play the white and am pretty happy. The 4 & 5 shafts are a little soft and I’m trying to figure that out, but otherwise I love them. The black felt too whippy for me.

[Mookieb10]

I blindly purchased a set of jpx 900 tours over this past summer cause they were new and something like $600. They came with amt white shafts. I started playing lights out with these, my “backup set”... turns out that nothing cam compare in my eyes. Let’s be honest, nobody can tell you with 100% certainty, but I cam say with 93.5% confidence interval that white will fly a bit lower than blacks.

[Howard_Jones]

> @herbert7890 said:

> Hi everyone,

>

> Just wanted to gather your input on the ball flight differences between AMT Black and AMT White. I recently got the T-200s with the stock AMT Black but after a few rounds and also re-testing on monitor, I believe my launch angle is too high with the Black (20.2 degrees with 7 iron). But wanted to see if there would be any marked difference (lets say 2 degrees or more) between AMT White and Black. I have 90 days to replace them with Edwin Watts Policy, so that helps.

>

> My other options would be KBS Tour or Project X LZ 6.0

 

You dont say what your club and ball speed is, neither what loft that #7 iron has, or what spin levels, but as reference LPGA with 76 mph on their #7 has 19*/ 6699 Rpms as average (not ideal but average, so some is higher, other is lower). PGA has 90 mph - 16.3*/7097 rpms as average.

 

Lower club speed = higher launch and less spin, at about 85 mph club speed we should see a launch thats about 50% of static loft. Higher club speed = lower launch, lower club speed higher than 50% of static loft.

 

WEIGHT is the most important parameter, launch angle should be taken care of with LOFTS not shafts, so the question is if this 15 grams up to AMT White is whats right for you or not. In your shoes, i would try off with 15 grams lead tape on the underside of the shaft "head to grip direction" with the middle of the tape aligned with the middle of the shaft. Then you get the answer for if weight is wrong now.

 

Weight is a huge factor for your access to the ball, so weight alone might change everything, while profiles is a question of how your swing respond to the feel of both weight, flex and profile (we never know before we have tried)

 

So, shafts should be chosen by Weight, feel and dispersion, then we tweak lofts stronger or weaker to get ball flight as we want it, DONT let ball flight be the factor for shaft choice, make sure weight and feel is right first, then we can look at ball flight.