Koepka vs McIlroy?

[Hankshank]

> @OldTomMorris said:

> > @Hankshank said:

> > Measuring everything with major wins, kind of not surprising that Koepka does that. I dont even know how many Majors Slammin Sam won but I know how many victories he had. And Tiger did not see a tour win as a small thing.

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> Cherry pic one example where an active player is close to breaking the all-time wins total, of course you know Sneads victory total as announcers have been bleating on about it endlessly since Woods returned.

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> I don't believe a player should only be judged solely on majors but more often than not the records of all-time great players are known mostly for their major wins.

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Majors are a big deal no doubt about that. And Koepka has an eerie capability in doing good at those tournament. 1, 2, 2, 4 this year is crazy good.

But from there to say that Tiger and people only cared about his major results around Y2K would not exactly be correct. Someone as dominant as Koepka wants to appear should do good in majors AND be at the top of the leaderboards consistently. Like Annika, Tiger, Lorena. Since Tigers hankypanky was discovered, there has been noone that could boast the surpremacy that Brooks claims. To me he is dangerously close to ”its gonna be me and tiger” or ”i’m a top-5 Owgr player”.

[OldTomMorris]

> @Hankshank said:

> Since Tigers hankypanky was discovered, there has been noone that could boast the surpremacy that Brooks claims. To me he is dangerously close to ”its gonna be me and tiger” or ”i’m a top-5 Owgr player”.

 

Ironically the two quotes you cite were said by players (Poulter and Reed) that aren't even close to Brooks let alone Tiger.

 

I'm not a fan of cocky sports stars but for me Brooks has it just about right in that he is super self confident without going over the top. I think he's earned the right to justify these comments.

 

 

[North Texas]

> @dalehead said:

> > @"North Texas" said:

> > > @dalehead said:

> > > The following puts the quote in context with a little more back ground. Nothing to see here, although I’m sure some will continue to take the opportunity to bash whichever player they don’t like.

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> > > https://sports.yahoo.com/rivalry-rivalry-mcilroy-no-majors-since-joined-tour-060550448--golf.html

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> > That article did pretty much nothing to put the quote in context.

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> Sorry then. Can’t help you.

 

My wife tells me the same thing :)

[jdl]

> @fsusmith said:

> It’s hard to think of true rivalries in golf. 2 players rarely go head to head in big tournaments, so it’s tough to think of 2 being rivals

 

Exactly, this is just more idiocy from the media trying to pretend golf is anything like other sports (it's not). Same thinking gave us the wonderful FedEx "playoffs" which aren't really "playoffs" because...guess what? Golf is not a team sport where "playoffs' and "rivalries" actually exist. Morning Drive was slobbering over this stuff saying how great it was....GMAFB.

 

[ebrasmus21]

> @Krt22 said:

> > @QuigleyDU said:

> > I am a big fan of both Rory and Brooks. I enjoy watching them both play and I agree with Brooks there is no rivalry. That is something the media is drumming up for attention. But, that being said, I see Brooks having a down year.

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> Indeed, it's a slow part of the season and the golf personalities have very little to talk about, so they are trying to create drama that simply isn't there.

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> I think Rory has grown mildly complacent with his huge success, with 400M+ of endorsement dollars I can understand why. Rory will play this off as no big deal, but perhaps it will be a large enough chip on his shoulder to actually create a mini rivalry.

 

This is exactly the type of thing that I hope motivates Rory in a way that fame and money no longer can.

 

From the record I don’t know what motivates Rory but I’m speculating money, after the first 100M just doesn’t do it anymore.

[links242]

Brooks is making himself into the villain on the tour. It was an unprovoked take. Frankly I think its great for the tour!

 

 

[Jkasm88]

Team Rory! I want to see more of this between them two.

[bladehunter]

> @pheenomz4774 said:

> I get it and he's right. They haven't gone head-to-head down the stretch of a major to my recollection, so until that happens, or until both of them only need the Master's to win the career grand slam, it's not a rivalry. Trading WGC and Tour Championship wins isn't enough in my opnion. If we are talking about the fight for the World #1, it's a fight between like 6/7 guys at the moment.

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> I will remain the only corpse on the "Brooks isn't better than Rory" hill that seems to be diminishing every day.

 

You won’t be the only on on that hill. Rory is superior in every way. If he would just decide that for himself and do it. Bruce is weaker than he appears. And Rory is stronger than he knows.

[bladehunter]

> @Philomathesq said:

> I think this is great for golf. Golf needs more polarizing personalities that cause people to tune in and cheer for/against them. I don't think Brooks' comments are classless moreso than him just speaking his mind, which is another thing we need more of; I get so tired of athletes giving canned answers to questions. Like him or not, Brooks at least doesn't hold anything back, and until he starts saying profane things, I'm all for it.

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> Though he'd never do it, I'd have totally loved it if, after being presented with the POY Award, Rory's first quote was: "What up now, Bruce?"

 

Yep and to add one step more. Maybe they are I j the same room when it’s announced and Rory steals a line form Mr Palmer and goes “ Bruce what the F are you doing here “? As he walks to the podium.

 

[Philomathesq]

> @bladehunter said:

> > @Philomathesq said:

> > I think this is great for golf. Golf needs more polarizing personalities that cause people to tune in and cheer for/against them. I don't think Brooks' comments are classless moreso than him just speaking his mind, which is another thing we need more of; I get so tired of athletes giving canned answers to questions. Like him or not, Brooks at least doesn't hold anything back, and until he starts saying profane things, I'm all for it.

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> > Though he'd never do it, I'd have totally loved it if, after being presented with the POY Award, Rory's first quote was: "What up now, Bruce?"

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> Yep and to add one step more. Maybe they are I j the same room when it’s announced and Rory steals a line form Mr Palmer and goes “ Bruce what the F are you doing here “? As he walks to the podium.

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The Tour did themselves a disservice by not having them both in the room for the announcement. I can imagine Rory would have exhibited great enthusiasm, which would look amazing juxtaposed with Brooks' inevitable momentary surprise and disappointment followed by his "I don't GAF" look. It would have been great TV. And it would have created a great buzz for golf.

 

What really needs to happen is a Brooks v. Rory match for a ridiculous, ostentatious trophy where each guy is slightly liquored up and told to trash talk the other the entire match. And, they should be required to engage in at least one prop bet per shot.

[bscinstnct]

> @Philomathesq said:

> > @bladehunter said:

> > > @Philomathesq said:

> > > I think this is great for golf. Golf needs more polarizing personalities that cause people to tune in and cheer for/against them. I don't think Brooks' comments are classless moreso than him just speaking his mind, which is another thing we need more of; I get so tired of athletes giving canned answers to questions. Like him or not, Brooks at least doesn't hold anything back, and until he starts saying profane things, I'm all for it.

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> > > Though he'd never do it, I'd have totally loved it if, after being presented with the POY Award, Rory's first quote was: "What up now, Bruce?"

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> > Yep and to add one step more. Maybe they are I j the same room when it’s announced and Rory steals a line form Mr Palmer and goes “ Bruce what the F are you doing here “? As he walks to the podium.

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>

> The Tour did themselves a disservice by not having them both in the room for the announcement. I can imagine Rory would have exhibited great enthusiasm, which would look amazing juxtaposed with Brooks' inevitable momentary surprise and disappointment followed by his "I don't GAF" look. It would have been great TV. And it would have created a great buzz for golf.

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> What really needs to happen is a Brooks v. Rory match for a ridiculous, ostentatious trophy where each guy is slightly liquored up and told to trash talk the other the entire match. And, they should be required to engage in at least one prop bet per shot.

 

BK lose and be like,

 

It’s not a major so I wasn’t even trying ; )

 

[Oldboy]

rory lose and be like

 

didn't think we'd have to putt so i wasn't even trying ...... :)

 

 

[Philomathesq]

> @bscinstnct said:

> > @Philomathesq said:

> > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > @Philomathesq said:

> > > > I think this is great for golf. Golf needs more polarizing personalities that cause people to tune in and cheer for/against them. I don't think Brooks' comments are classless moreso than him just speaking his mind, which is another thing we need more of; I get so tired of athletes giving canned answers to questions. Like him or not, Brooks at least doesn't hold anything back, and until he starts saying profane things, I'm all for it.

> > > >

> > > > Though he'd never do it, I'd have totally loved it if, after being presented with the POY Award, Rory's first quote was: "What up now, Bruce?"

> > >

> > > Yep and to add one step more. Maybe they are I j the same room when it’s announced and Rory steals a line form Mr Palmer and goes “ Bruce what the F are you doing here “? As he walks to the podium.

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> > The Tour did themselves a disservice by not having them both in the room for the announcement. I can imagine Rory would have exhibited great enthusiasm, which would look amazing juxtaposed with Brooks' inevitable momentary surprise and disappointment followed by his "I don't GAF" look. It would have been great TV. And it would have created a great buzz for golf.

> >

> > What really needs to happen is a Brooks v. Rory match for a ridiculous, ostentatious trophy where each guy is slightly liquored up and told to trash talk the other the entire match. And, they should be required to engage in at least one prop bet per shot.

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> BK lose and be like,

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> It’s not a major so I wasn’t even trying ; )

>

 

Well, if you take him at his word, he only plays for trophies. So, the prize has to be a crazy trophy. Maybe the Shiva?

[bscinstnct]

> @Oldboy said:

> rory lose and be like

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> didn't think we'd have to putt so i wasn't even trying ...... :)

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BK trying to funny like,

 

 

Good Seinfeld day ; )

 

 

[KRAMER1997]

#TEAMSPIETH

[OldTomMorris]

> @bladehunter said:

> > @pheenomz4774 said:

> > I get it and he's right. They haven't gone head-to-head down the stretch of a major to my recollection, so until that happens, or until both of them only need the Master's to win the career grand slam, it's not a rivalry. Trading WGC and Tour Championship wins isn't enough in my opnion. If we are talking about the fight for the World #1, it's a fight between like 6/7 guys at the moment.

> >

> > I will remain the only corpse on the "Brooks isn't better than Rory" hill that seems to be diminishing every day.

>

> You won’t be the only on on that hill. Rory is superior in every way. If he would just decide that for himself and do it. Bruce is weaker than he appears. And Rory is stronger than he knows.

 

Rory is more than capable of this but he has to prove it with results in the biggest events. The Players aside Brooks has crushed Rory in the big events in the time period he refers to, its seems that simple to me.

[Holy Moses]

> @bscinstnct said:

> > @dalehead said:

> > The following puts the quote in context with a little more back ground. Nothing to see here, although I’m sure some will continue to take the opportunity to bash whichever player they don’t like.

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> > https://sports.yahoo.com/rivalry-rivalry-mcilroy-no-majors-since-joined-tour-060550448--golf.html

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> I think BK is mad that Rory won POTY and the rest of the PGA Tour saw his season as better.

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> And let's look at BKs quote, which besides being inaccurate (as cdn said, BK played in both of Rory's 2014 majors), overlooks the fact that Rory, though majorless, has won a *lot more than BK. Also, BK, while winning 4 majors more recently, has won 2 PGA Champs (the least desireable), zero Masters, zero Open Championships (those 2 being seen as most prestigious by most, I think).

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> Since 2014, BKs, first full season on tour, he has won,

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> 7 times. 6 PGA tour wins (including 4 majors), and the Turkish Airlines.

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> Since, 2014, Rory has won,

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> 14 times. 11 PGA Tour wins (2 majors) and the Players and the Tour Championship 2x/Fedex Cup 2x, and 3 Euro wins.

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So then Brooks was on Tour when Rory won two majors in 2014. Minor flaw in his argument.

[Holy Moses]

I don’t see why it matters what Tour Brooks was on if they played in the same majors in 2014 and Rory beat him.

[bladehunter]

> @OldTomMorris said:

> > @bladehunter said:

> > > @pheenomz4774 said:

> > > I get it and he's right. They haven't gone head-to-head down the stretch of a major to my recollection, so until that happens, or until both of them only need the Master's to win the career grand slam, it's not a rivalry. Trading WGC and Tour Championship wins isn't enough in my opnion. If we are talking about the fight for the World #1, it's a fight between like 6/7 guys at the moment.

> > >

> > > I will remain the only corpse on the "Brooks isn't better than Rory" hill that seems to be diminishing every day.

> >

> > You won’t be the only on on that hill. Rory is superior in every way. If he would just decide that for himself and do it. Bruce is weaker than he appears. And Rory is stronger than he knows.

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> Rory is more than capable of this but he has to prove it with results in the biggest events. The Players aside Brooks has crushed Rory in the big events in the time period he refers to, its seems that simple to me.

 

I predict it’s all about to be a moot point anyway. DJ is going to come out of this sleep and regain #1. Slap Bruce around a bit and take him out of the Goat conversation.

[OldTomMorris]

> @bladehunter said:

> > @OldTomMorris said:

> > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > @pheenomz4774 said:

> > > > I get it and he's right. They haven't gone head-to-head down the stretch of a major to my recollection, so until that happens, or until both of them only need the Master's to win the career grand slam, it's not a rivalry. Trading WGC and Tour Championship wins isn't enough in my opnion. If we are talking about the fight for the World #1, it's a fight between like 6/7 guys at the moment.

> > > >

> > > > I will remain the only corpse on the "Brooks isn't better than Rory" hill that seems to be diminishing every day.

> > >

> > > You won’t be the only on on that hill. Rory is superior in every way. If he would just decide that for himself and do it. Bruce is weaker than he appears. And Rory is stronger than he knows.

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> > Rory is more than capable of this but he has to prove it with results in the biggest events. The Players aside Brooks has crushed Rory in the big events in the time period he refers to, its seems that simple to me.

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> I predict it’s all about to be a moot point anyway. DJ is going to come out of this sleep and regain #1. Slap Bruce around a bit and take him out of the Goat conversation.

 

It's crazy that DJ is basically going under the radar at the moment. I agree, in that, I think if he managed to get another major I could easily see him adding another one or two in short time. He has the game.

[Night train]

> @OldTomMorris said:

> > @bladehunter said:

> > > @pheenomz4774 said:

> > > I get it and he's right. They haven't gone head-to-head down the stretch of a major to my recollection, so until that happens, or until both of them only need the Master's to win the career grand slam, it's not a rivalry. Trading WGC and Tour Championship wins isn't enough in my opnion. If we are talking about the fight for the World #1, it's a fight between like 6/7 guys at the moment.

> > >

> > > I will remain the only corpse on the "Brooks isn't better than Rory" hill that seems to be diminishing every day.

> >

> > You won’t be the only on on that hill. Rory is superior in every way. If he would just decide that for himself and do it. Bruce is weaker than he appears. And Rory is stronger than he knows.

>

> Rory is more than capable of this but he has to prove it with results in the biggest events. The Players aside Brooks has crushed Rory in the big events in the time period he refers to, its seems that simple to me.

 

The final round of this years FedEx Cup seemed like Rory was quite capable of going head to head with Brooks............I don't care whether you like the tournament or not, playing for 15 million dollars is a big event!

 

 

[Kevinnz]

Brookes hasnt been dominating really, if we take the "dominating" to tigers level. DJ was there on the No.1 spot for a while. Brookes certainly has done better than DJ but still not dominating. And yes he lost fight with Rory towards the end of last season.

When Rory is on, dont think many players can take the fight to him. He is probably the closest to Tiger.

[mosesgolf]

It seems like most are Justin Thomas Jordan Spieth buddy buddy these days on Tour. Maybe there needs to be an Apex type personality to make all the alphas his beyotches so to speak. Kind of like what Tiger used to do. I love it.

[bladehunter]

So the apex predator slipped on wet cement and is out? Like magic after a 75 ?

[bscinstnct]

> @mosesgolf said:

> It seems like most are Justin Thomas Jordan Spieth buddy buddy these days on Tour. Maybe there needs to be an Apex type personality to make all the alphas his beyotches so to speak. Kind of like what Tiger used to do. I love it.

 

Bruce will be 30 in May. He has 4 majors, 7 pga tour wins. No Masters and no Opens.

 

By age 30, TW had

 

12 Majors, 2 grand slams, 4 Masters, 3 opens, and like 50 pga tour wins.

 

Bruce the Rivaless ; )

 

 

 

 

 

[Philomathesq]

> @bladehunter said:

> So the apex predator slipped on wet cement and is out? Like magic after a 75 ?

 

I watched most of the televised broadcast. Bruce found himself in a greenside bunker on the 7th (I believe). Right after he hit out of it, he was clearly limping. I actually thought he would withdraw shortly thereafter because he looked pretty uncomfortable.

[widow-maker]

> @bscinstnct said:

> > @mosesgolf said:

> > It seems like most are Justin Thomas Jordan Spieth buddy buddy these days on Tour. Maybe there needs to be an Apex type personality to make all the alphas his beyotches so to speak. Kind of like what Tiger used to do. I love it.

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> Bruce will be 30 in May. He has 4 majors, 7 pga tour wins. No Masters and no Opens.

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> By age 30, TW had

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> 12 Majors, 2 grand slams, 4 Masters, 3 opens, and like 50 pga tour wins.

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> Bruce the Rivaless ; )

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Hogan had zero Majors at the age of 30. Guys mature and find their games at different ages and under different circumstances. We'll see if Koepka can keep it up and we'll see if Rory can win some more Majors. I like when Koepka and McIlroy speak out. It adds some flavor to the otherwise dull, banal pap that most tour players put out.

[aenemated]

I appreciate his confidence but the WD is why you don't really go out and talk shit.

 

As the great Johnny Cash said ... god's gonna cut you down.

[Holy Moses]

> @Kevinnz said:

> Brookes hasnt been dominating really, if we take the "dominating" to tigers level. DJ was there on the No.1 spot for a while. Brookes certainly has done better than DJ but still not dominating. And yes he lost fight with Rory towards the end of last season.

> When Rory is on, dont think many players can take the fight to him. He is probably the closest to Tiger.

 

No one has ever dominated like Tiger did and no one else will. Tiger’s domination cannot be the standard. Brooks is #1 in the world and has won 4 majors in three seasons - if anyone has dominated the majors recently, Brooks has. When Rory or Brooks or DJ has their A game, none of the others can beat them because all three never have their A games at the same time.

[ea19]

I have a ton of respect for longevity. It is one thing to do it for one or two or three years vs eight or nine or ten or longer. That is the difference to me.

 

A bit early for BK to be talking trash to HOFer in my old school opinion. Personally, I would be surprised if Brooks is in top 3 in the world in five years.

 

It does spice things up though - fun to watch.