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I’m convinced a shorter backswing improves everything. Contact speed through the ball, control, balance, etc.

 

Thoughts?

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Like the user above me stated, it all depends on your current back swing. I never thought my back-swing was long but after a online lesson I learned it was long compared to my hip turn. It all stemmed from my take away and now if I feel my right elbow (right handed player) lift or separate from my body I know I'm getting too long. And like you mentioned when I feel "short" I hit the ball in the middle of the club face a lot more consistent and in return it goes further than before.

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I think we all have our own natural internal sense of rhythm/tempo/timing...some short & quick, some long and languid, many in between. It's probably best to dance with the gal you brought

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> @mvhoffman said:

> I’m convinced a shorter backswing improves everything. Contact speed through the ball, control, balance, etc.

>

> Thoughts?

 

Maybe for you.

 

Shorter than whatever is too long for anyone is better, but that doesn't mean "shorter" is the recipe for everyone just because it is shorter.

 

 

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This is just MY opinion for MY game...

 

With a longer swing I have always had issues with re-gripping with my left hand before starting my downswing. I had always thought grip size was the issue until recently I noticed that my timing was off and I was re-gripping a lot. My consistency was horrible, ball flight unpredictable, etc. I paid some attention to my swing when I was hitting the ball really good and I realized that I was more controlled with a shorter feeling back swing. I'm going to be practicing that feeling over the fast approaching winter here in the Northeast and hope to come out of the gates swinging in 2020.

 

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> @oikos1 said:

> > @justasgood said:

> > Longer swing = Longer pain free swinging for years.

>

> Interesting. Is this just your personal experience or do you have data that confirms this?

 

I think it has been well debated that players with longer, fluid swings have a longer trouble free career.

 

I’m 57 and have a very long swing(John Daly long) and I have never had any health issues from golf.

 

Ernie Els, Phil, Vijay and many others have had relatively issue free careers(regarding Golf injuries)

 

There have been many topics discussing this very issue.

 

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For me, its always been to try and stop the backswing when my shoulders stop turning. If I do that, I tend to stay in balance and keep my posture, if I try to lengthen the backswing then I tend to stand up and the swing goes to @#&*. As others have said, each persons ideal backswing length is different. Play what works.

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Well, the short swing worked... first ever under par! Ball is signed by the 3 guys I played with.

 

I want to elaborate by what I mean by a "short" swing.

 

I had struggled with breakdown at the top. I would ultimately try to continue after I had reached a full turn (for me) and the elbows and wrist would break down. I would lose control, balance, ball contact, etc. By "short" I mean committing to my downswing when I have reached MY full turn. Obviously I will continue to work on flexibility over the off-season so that my "full" turn extends a bit more than it is now. I am going to try to commit myself to not swing outside of my body.

 

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I've been working for years to try and lengthen my backswing via a bigger hip and shoulder turn. My flaw is to not turn the hips and not extend the spine, and end up hitting it thin and in-to-out. The shorter my swing is the worse my ballstriking is... as a few others have eluded to there is more to it than just where your arms stop moving on the way back. JB Holmes makes a massive turn and has a short swing and bombs it, yet Corey Pavin went well past parrallel without much in the way of hip turn.

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> @juststeve said:

> My thought is that a shorter back swing will improve everything if you back swing is too long to begin with. Some people need a shorter swing, some people need a longer swing, some people have it just right.

>

> Steve

 

Exactly. If it's too long, you might not have enough time to get everything in order, if it's too short you might not have enough time to get everything in order. Cant just say short/long without looking at the parts either. Full hip turn, full shoulder turn, no arm over run is the model

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I played a few rounds earlier in the year with a shorter backswing and had pretty good success. To me it seemed like a lots less could go wrong with a shorter swing. I also didn’t loose any distance because the shorter backswing created more lag. Not sure why I went away from it but might give it another go next year.

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> @wobgon said:

> > @mvhoffman said:

> > Well, the short swing worked... first ever under par! Ball is signed by the 3 guys I played with.

> >

> > drjv4w1ojhwc.jpeg

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> You had the guys you where playing with sign the ball?

 

As witnesses, just like signing the score card.

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> @rwc356 said:

> For me, its always been to try and stop the backswing when my shoulders stop turning. ....

 

That’s my hard to beat bad habit. It would be good to get a teacher’s perspective, but I bet what most people feel is a “short backswing” is actually a complete shoulder turn and back swing. For me, continuing my backswing after shoulder turn is complete only results in a broken left elbow, decreased width and a bad time.

 

 

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> @MojoEd said:

> > @rwc356 said:

> > For me, its always been to try and stop the backswing when my shoulders stop turning. ....

>

> That’s my hard to beat bad habit. It would be good to get a teacher’s perspective, but I bet what most people feel is a “short backswing” is actually a complete shoulder turn and back swing. For me, continuing my backswing after shoulder turn is complete only results in a broken left elbow, decreased width and a bad time.

>

>

 

Ed, you hit the nail on the head. I was going to comment and elaborate that what I meant by "short" swing is that when I feel that I have stopped turning, instead of continuing and breaking down as you have said, just committing to my downswing and going. This has given me the opportunity to stay more in balance and more in control of my swing.

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> @mvhoffman said:

> > @MojoEd said:

> > > @rwc356 said:

> > > For me, its always been to try and stop the backswing when my shoulders stop turning. ....

> >

> > That’s my hard to beat bad habit. It would be good to get a teacher’s perspective, but I bet what most people feel is a “short backswing” is actually a complete shoulder turn and back swing. For me, continuing my backswing after shoulder turn is complete only results in a broken left elbow, decreased width and a bad time.

> >

> >

>

> Ed, you hit the nail on the head. I was going to comment and elaborate that what I meant by "short" swing is that when I feel that I have stopped turning, instead of continuing and breaking down as you have said, just committing to my downswing and going. This has given me the opportunity to stay more in balance and more in control of my swing.

 

I think you found the secret sauce. Too many allow the trail arm to bend/break down well past 90 degrees which contributes to lead arm bending as well. The result is a narrow at the top and disconnected swing that requires significant compensation to reconnect to the pivot for any chance of a solid strike. If timing is off it's darn near impossible to play well.

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> @juststeve said:

> For those of you interested in shortening your swing but having trouble doing it check out Monte's no turn cast drill. For a lot of people the setting of the wrists will produce a reaction that creates a great compact back swing position. Just about the best thing I've seen on WRX.

>

> Steve

 

^^^Yes!^^^

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I don’t think it has much to do with anything in terms of improvement in anything. There’s no proof that shorter swings will make you more accurate or precise and certainly no evidence that you’ll generate more club speed. In fact, the latter the physics say that longer swings, all else being equal, will hit the ball much further.

 

I think for a player like Finau who generates incredible speed with a short swing and his longer swing just generates off the charts speed, but also off the charts spin rates, I can understand why he would want to shorten his swing. He generates a lot of torque in his swing and giving himself more time to hit the ball may not be feasible for him.

 

But, if you’re a fairly normal human being they probably could greatly benefit by adding length to their swing, they just need to know how to properly do it.

 

 

 

 

 

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So like others have stated I think the correct swing length for you is going to be relative to your turns. Finau is an excellent example of a player that makes a very full turn and creates a lot of depth in his swing but his overall position of his shaft at P4 is in a shorter position. A shorter swing along with limited shoulder and hip turns will likely lead to a lack of depth thus limiting speed and also the possibility of poor path into impact.

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> @RichieHunt said:

> I don’t think it has much to do with anything in terms of improvement in anything. There’s no proof that shorter swings will make you more accurate or precise and certainly no evidence that you’ll generate more club speed. In fact, the latter the physics say that longer swings, all else being equal, will hit the ball much further.

>

> I think for a player like Finau who generates incredible speed with a short swing and his longer swing just generates off the charts speed, but also off the charts spin rates, I can understand why he would want to shorten his swing. He generates a lot of torque in his swing and giving himself more time to hit the ball may not be feasible for him.

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> But, if you’re a fairly normal human being they probably could greatly benefit by adding length to their swing, they just need to know how to properly do it.

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> RH

>

 

If what Richie means to say is that longer swing has more distance potential than a shorter swing, I agree. In the real world however distance is the product of club head speed and how that speed is applied to the ball. The majority of golfers I see every day have much to gain simply from hitting the ball better, more on the sweet spot with a nice level angle of attack, than they do by swinging the club a bit faster. I think for many golfers a more controlled swing, that is to say shorter, will result in better contact, more often, and therefore more distance more often.

 

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> @mackepa said:

> So like others have stated I think the correct swing length for you is going to be relative to your turns. Finau is an excellent example of a player that makes a very full turn and creates a lot of depth in his swing but his overall position of his shaft at P4 is in a shorter position. A shorter swing along with limited shoulder and hip turns will likely lead to a lack of depth thus limiting speed and also the possibility of poor path into impact.

 

Isn’t Finau actually trying to lengthen his swing a tad?

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