Billy Mayfair DQ at Invesco QQQ Championship

[flip flappy]

As the Charles Schwab Cup is winding down, I was watching the Invesco QQQ Championship yesterday but got pulled away before I could see who won. I checked the scores today and noticed that Billy Mayfair was DQ'ed. I happened to see Billy in a situation yesterday that was questionable and wondered if that was what got him DQ'ed? His ball was on a steep slope behind a green. He appeared to be sizing up his shot and placed his club behind the ball, down into the rough and the ball rolled down the hill. I believe he told a rules official that he didn't ground his club. The announcers didn't agree with what actually happened as Billy related it. Does anyone know if this is what got Billy DQ'ed?

[Socrates]

All I know is that Langer hit it in the bunker on the playoff hole and hit it again and hit it again and hit it again and hit it again. Then picked up once Mrs. Doubtfire putted once. Weirdest ending to a tournament that I've ever seen.

[cardoustie]

Billy is a reknown Cheater ... hmmmmm

[tungstenplug]

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Edited February 26, 2023 by tungstenplug

[jpt1101]

I watched it and thought the same thing when I checked the scores the next day and saw he was DQ’d. His explanation to the rules official was not close to what actually happened. I couldn’t believe what I heard. Clearly he caused the ball to move. I couldn’t find anything about this so am curious as well to what actually happened after the round but I’m guessing that is why he was DQ’d.

[bladehunter]

This is no shock. He’s the guy who last year or two was callled out by several for his ball marking technique and his anchoring.

[ebrasmus21]

This isn’t like the Saturday morning skins game. This is a seasoned touring professional. Not the reputation I would want to have.

[flip flappy]

> @jpt1101 said:

> I watched it and thought the same thing when I checked the scores the next day and saw he was DQ’d. His explanation to the rules official was not close to what actually happened. I couldn’t believe what I heard. Clearly he caused the ball to move. I couldn’t find anything about this so am curious as well to what actually happened after the round but I’m guessing that is why he was DQ’d.

 

I searched as well and could not find anything. I was hoping the PGA Tour website would have something on it but it seems they try to protect the players from negativity.

[loseit805]

> @ebrasmus21 said:

> This is a seasoned touring professional. Not the reputation I would want to have.

 

Billy has worked hard to cultivate that reputation, as he has a number of little tricks that he has 'explanations' for.

 

 

[grm24]

> @"flip flappy" said:

> As the Charles Schwab Cup is winding down, I was watching the Invesco QQQ Championship yesterday but got pulled away before I could see who won. I checked the scores today and noticed that Billy Mayfair was DQ'ed. I happened to see Billy in a situation yesterday that was questionable and wondered if that was what got him DQ'ed? His ball was on a steep slope behind a green. He appeared to be sizing up his shot and placed his club behind the ball, down into the rough and the ball rolled down the hill. I believe he told a rules official that he didn't ground his club. The announcers didn't agree with what actually happened as Billy related it. Does anyone know if this is what got Billy DQ'ed?

 

Found this on the PGA Tour media website notes for the QQQ.

 

 

https://pgatourmedia.pgatourhq.com/Tour/WebTemplate/media.nsf/vwWebFS/8264BAEBE0BFD62685257E7500680F40?openDocument

[loseit805]

I can very reliably say that Billy has a few tricks up his sleeve.

[flip flappy]

> @grm24 said:

> > @"flip flappy" said:

> > As the Charles Schwab Cup is winding down, I was watching the Invesco QQQ Championship yesterday but got pulled away before I could see who won. I checked the scores today and noticed that Billy Mayfair was DQ'ed. I happened to see Billy in a situation yesterday that was questionable and wondered if that was what got him DQ'ed? His ball was on a steep slope behind a green. He appeared to be sizing up his shot and placed his club behind the ball, down into the rough and the ball rolled down the hill. I believe he told a rules official that he didn't ground his club. The announcers didn't agree with what actually happened as Billy related it. Does anyone know if this is what got Billy DQ'ed?

>

> Found this on the PGA Tour media website notes for the QQQ.

>

>

>

> https://pgatourmedia.pgatourhq.com/Tour/WebTemplate/media.nsf/vwWebFS/8264BAEBE0BFD62685257E7500680F40?openDocument

 

Good find but I have to say strange on Billy's part. He was playing the third round when the incident happened about the ball moving and the lost ball happened in the second round that resulted in him DQing himself?

[flip flappy]

> @loseit805 said:

> I can very reliably say that Billy has a few tricks up his sleeve.

 

Spill the beans to what you have seen.

[Ferguson]

> @cardoustie said:

> Billy is a reknown Cheater ... hmmmmm

 

 

 

Litterbug too.

[MidwestGolfBum]

> @"flip flappy" said:

> > @grm24 said:

> > > @"flip flappy" said:

> > > As the Charles Schwab Cup is winding down, I was watching the Invesco QQQ Championship yesterday but got pulled away before I could see who won. I checked the scores today and noticed that Billy Mayfair was DQ'ed. I happened to see Billy in a situation yesterday that was questionable and wondered if that was what got him DQ'ed? His ball was on a steep slope behind a green. He appeared to be sizing up his shot and placed his club behind the ball, down into the rough and the ball rolled down the hill. I believe he told a rules official that he didn't ground his club. The announcers didn't agree with what actually happened as Billy related it. Does anyone know if this is what got Billy DQ'ed?

> >

> > Found this on the PGA Tour media website notes for the QQQ.

> >

> >

> >

> > https://pgatourmedia.pgatourhq.com/Tour/WebTemplate/media.nsf/vwWebFS/8264BAEBE0BFD62685257E7500680F40?openDocument

>

> Good find but I have to say strange on Billy's part. He was playing the third round when the incident happened about the ball moving and the lost ball happened in the second round that resulted in him DQing himself?

 

It is odd that he DQ'd himself following round 2, but played in round 3. I didn't watch much of the event, so I can't speak much on the situation that started this thread, but there have certainly been enough rumors out there about Mayfair to believe those who have said he may not have told the whole truth to the rules official.

[Old Tom Morris]

Must have been DQ for signing incorrect Saturday card after discussion.

 

[golfandfishing]

The guy has been known to fluff some lies in the rough and step on the turf behind his ball in the fairway. He’s pretty good about doing it inconspicuously but the other players know it.

[JBW]

I've heard the guys on tour call him Billy Playfair

[chigolfer1]

Yikes, sounds like this guy has quite the reputation. I have to admit, this is the kind of exclusive content I come to GolfWRX for!

[tungstenplug]

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Edited February 26, 2023 by tungstenplug

[ChillyDipper]

> @JBW said:

> I've heard the guys on tour call him Billy Playfair

 

 

 

Actually, RDD on GolfWRX (Robert Damron), when asked whether there are any known cheaters on tour, said there is one, whose name rhymes with "Will He Play Fair?"

[BCA]

Wow, this is interesting indeed! I never would have guessed but it sounds like his reputation is well-deserved.

 

Not to get off topic but long ago I remember somehow hearing that Mark McCumber was a known cheater. I'm reminded of it every time I see his son's name on a leaderboard.

[Irishman1979]

> @Socrates said:

> All I know is that Langer hit it in the bunker on the playoff hole and hit it again and hit it again and hit it again and hit it again. Then picked up once Mrs. Doubtfire putted once. Weirdest ending to a tournament that I've ever seen.

 

He should have taken his putter and advanced the ball into the bottom of the bunker so he had a shot at getting up and down for bogey. Therefore if Montgomerie three putts the playoff continues.

[Hawkeye77]

> @BCA said:

> Wow, this is interesting indeed! I never would have guessed but it sounds like his reputation is well-deserved.

>

> Not to get off topic but long ago I remember somehow hearing that Mark McCumber was a known cheater. I'm reminded of it every time I see his son's name on a leaderboard.

 

That is off topic, no reason to get into all sorts of defamation.

[Irishman1979]

Well since we are on the subject of integrity......

 

If you are playing in the fall and you hit your ball into play but there are so many leaves on the ground that you can't find it, do you go back to the tee and hit another? What would you do?

 

I bet all of you would take a free drop. If a playing partner of mine had that happen to him and I saw where the ball landed I'd let him take a free drop in a casual round.

[Hawkeye77]

> @Irishman1979 said:

> Well since we are on the subject of integrity......

>

> If you are playing in the fall and you hit your ball into play but there are so many leaves on the ground that you can't find it, do you go back to the tee and hit another? What would you do?

>

> I bet all of you would take a free drop. If a playing partner of mine had that happen to him and I saw where the ball landed I'd let him take a free drop in a casual round.

 

You'd lose the bet.

 

And going back to the tee isn't necessarily the only option.

[MidwestGolfBum]

> @Irishman1979 said:

> Well since we are on the subject of integrity......

>

> If you are playing in the fall and you hit your ball into play but there are so many leaves on the ground that you can't find it, do you go back to the tee and hit another? What would you do?

>

> I bet all of you would take a free drop. If a playing partner of mine had that happen to him and I saw where the ball landed I'd let him take a free drop in a casual round.

 

A casual round amongst friends is very different than a professional tournament though. That isn't really a great analogy, at least for me.

 

If playing a tournament round and that happened (and it has), I accept it, go back to the tee, and hit another.

[straightshot7]

> @Irishman1979 said:

> Well since we are on the subject of integrity......

>

> If you are playing in the fall and you hit your ball into play but there are so many leaves on the ground that you can't find it, do you go back to the tee and hit another? What would you do?

>

> I bet all of you would take a free drop. If a playing partner of mine had that happen to him and I saw where the ball landed I'd let him take a free drop in a casual round.

 

If you and your friends agree to some special rules that you all play by, fine. That's up to you.

 

But I would never take a "free drop" and then post my score or pretend my score was legit. I would either go back to the tee or just not take a score on that hole (DQ) if I wasn't able to play it by the rules.

 

Your approach is obviously a very slippery slope. My ball got stuck up in a tree the other day. Should I take a free drop?

 

Just play by the rules or don't post/talk about your score as if it's legit.

[Irishman1979]

> @straightshot7 said:

> > @Irishman1979 said:

> > Well since we are on the subject of integrity......

> >

> > If you are playing in the fall and you hit your ball into play but there are so many leaves on the ground that you can't find it, do you go back to the tee and hit another? What would you do?

> >

> > I bet all of you would take a free drop. If a playing partner of mine had that happen to him and I saw where the ball landed I'd let him take a free drop in a casual round.

>

> If you and your friends agree to some special rules that you all play by, fine. That's up to you.

>

> But I would never take a "free drop" and then post my score or pretend my score was legit. I would either go back to the tee or just not take a score on that hole (DQ) if I wasn't able to play it by the rules.

>

> Your approach is obviously a very slippery slope. My ball got stuck up in a tree the other day. Should I take a free drop?

>

> Just play by the rules or don't post/talk about your score as if it's legit.

 

The rules state by the USGA that under certain conditions (Leaves accumulating at a furious rate where the grounds crew hasn't been able to clear them) that you get a free drop without penalty. Sorry your ball ended up on a tree root, sorry you do not get a drop on that one.

[straightshot7]

> @Irishman1979 said:

> > @straightshot7 said:

> > > @Irishman1979 said:

> > > Well since we are on the subject of integrity......

> > >

> > > If you are playing in the fall and you hit your ball into play but there are so many leaves on the ground that you can't find it, do you go back to the tee and hit another? What would you do?

> > >

> > > I bet all of you would take a free drop. If a playing partner of mine had that happen to him and I saw where the ball landed I'd let him take a free drop in a casual round.

> >

> > If you and your friends agree to some special rules that you all play by, fine. That's up to you.

> >

> > But I would never take a "free drop" and then post my score or pretend my score was legit. I would either go back to the tee or just not take a score on that hole (DQ) if I wasn't able to play it by the rules.

> >

> > Your approach is obviously a very slippery slope. My ball got stuck up in a tree the other day. Should I take a free drop?

> >

> > Just play by the rules or don't post/talk about your score as if it's legit.

>

> The rules state by the USGA that under certain conditions (Leaves accumulating at a furious rate where the grounds crew hasn't been able to clear them) that you get a free drop without penalty. Sorry your ball ended up on a tree root, sorry you do not get a drop on that one.

 

If it's totally legal then why did you use that for the integrity question?

 

I wasn't aware of that rule. If it's legal then obviously it's okay. Where I live leaves don't accumulate at a furious rate.