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Would a 2 degree change in loft significantly change my yardage?

I'm currently using a 60 Hi Toe which I love for short shots and bunker shots but I've also found that from time to time I need to hit a high 100 yard shot which I try to do with my 60 wedge but it always comes up short. My full shots for 50 goes 125-130, 54 goes 115-120 and I can actually control these distances just fine so I assume that a 60 should get me about 100 but it comes up short at 85-90. The only way I can actually get my 60 to go 100-105 is by really just hammering down the 60 which leads me to be more inconsistent with my striking. Will the 58 be significantly different from the 60 in terms of short chips and bunker shots? I really love my 60 so far but this 100 yard shot is just crushing me especially if I can't approach the green with a low flighted PW or 50. The only reason the 60 hasn't moved down to a 58 is because of how versatile I've found it to be greenside and I don't really put myself in 100 yard distances but when I do by accident......

Also, if so, anyone tried the Big foot?

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I am right there with you. I struggle with the 100 yd gapping as well. I tried a 56 degree wedge which carries right around 95 -100 BUT I went with the ES grind for Ping and I do not find it all that forgiving on full shots. I much prefer a bit more effective bounce on my wedges. My 50 degree carries 120 and is always around that distance and I used to use it for chipping in from 100 and in but I did just get a Bigfoot 60 degree and it is fantastic. It is a bit odd with that much bounce for full shots but my chipping game has improved dramatically as it has made it fairly effortless to pop the ball up and land it around the pin. It will not be leaving my bag anytime soon which means it has one more round before its gone on these forums! lol.

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It takes quite a touch to hit full shots with an LW - be it 58* or 60*.

 

It appears you may be experiencing the _lob effect_ with your 60*. The lob effect is the point(s) in your wedge mix at which going from to a fuller swing launches the ball higher, but not much longer. I have found the first 60* LW since before 2000 that I can hit reliably. Still, anything more than a 3/4 swing is unstable and unreliable.

 

It's not just with LWs. A few years back, I found a Wilson SW that picked up the lob effect at more than a half swing. Half swing = 60 yards / 3/4 swing = 70 yards // full swing = ??whatever??

 

In your case, it seems a 58* would give you a little extra distance to fill in your yardage gap.

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> @ChipNRun said:

> It takes quite a touch to hit full shots with an LW - be it 58* or 60*.

>

> **It appears you may be experiencing the _lob effect_ with your 60***. The lob effect is the point(s) in your wedge mix at which going from to a fuller swing launches the ball higher, but not much longer. I have found the first 60* LW since before 2000 that I can hit reliably. Still, anything more than a 3/4 swing is unstable and unreliable.

>

> It's not just with LWs. A few years back, I found a Wilson SW that picked up the lob effect at more than a half swing. Half swing = 60 yards / 3/4 swing = 70 yards // full swing = ??whatever??

>

> In your case, it seems a 58* would give you a little extra distance to fill in your yardage gap.

 

This ^^^^^

 

It is also possible that with that much loft, you could be getting a "glancing blow" effect because you are unable to compress the ball due to the loft of the club.

 

Even most pros will use their 56 with a less than full swing rather than hitting a full 60 degree wedge. The degree of difficulty of pulling off a full swing lob wedge shot just makes the shot not worth the risk on straight forward approach shots.

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Not to be that person but I would highly recommend not trying to choose 58 or 60 based on distances - depending on what manufacturer, chose based on bounce (some don't have a 58 or 60 mold and bend to get loft affecting bounce) and on your need to hit lower or higher shots floppy/pitch shots around the green. I myself prefer a 60 to get more loft on flop shots, I hit it full once in a blue moon when I have a front pin, the exact yardage, and the right conditions to do so; I also carry 4 wedges and consider myself a short game specialist.

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> @rt_charger said:

> Not to be that person but I would highly recommend not trying to choose 58 or 60 based on distances - depending on what manufacturer, chose based on bounce (some don't have a 58 or 60 mold and bend to get loft affecting bounce) and on your need to hit lower or higher shots floppy/pitch shots around the green. I myself prefer a 60 to get more loft on flop shots, I hit it full once in a blue moon when I have a front pin, the exact yardage, and the right conditions to do so; I also carry 4 wedges and consider myself a short game specialist.

 

I would agree with this.

 

I'm in a similar boat. I carry 4 wedges and they are my best clubs. I would NOT want to lose my 60 around the green. I've flirted with 58's before but they just aren't the same when it comes to chipping and pitching. I've always found the 58 behaved more like a 56 as compared to a 60.

 

With regard to full-swing distances, I would simply pick a comfortable number and go play based on that. If you run into "in between" yardages, then no biggie. Taking 5- or 10-yards off a wedge shot should not be much of a problem if you're practicing those half-swings on the range a little bit.

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> @MelloYello said:

> > @rt_charger said:

> > Not to be that person but I would highly recommend not trying to choose 58 or 60 based on distances - depending on what manufacturer, chose based on bounce (some don't have a 58 or 60 mold and bend to get loft affecting bounce) and on your need to hit lower or higher shots floppy/pitch shots around the green. I myself prefer a 60 to get more loft on flop shots, I hit it full once in a blue moon when I have a front pin, the exact yardage, and the right conditions to do so; I also carry 4 wedges and consider myself a short game specialist.

>

> I would agree with this.

>

> I'm in a similar boat. I carry 4 wedges and they are my best clubs. I would NOT want to lose my 60 around the green. I've flirted with 58's before but they just aren't the same when it comes to chipping and pitching. **I've always found the 58 behaved more like a 56 as compared to a 60.**

>

> With regard to full-swing distances, I would simply pick a comfortable number and go play based on that. If you run into "in between" yardages, then no biggie. Taking 5- or 10-yards off a wedge shot should not be much of a problem if you're practicing those half-swings on the range a little bit.

 

Agree with everything said here.

 

I also think it depends on the course conditions you expect to normally encounter.

 

FWIW, Stan Utley advocated a 58 for 20+ years and now personally bags a 60.

 

 

 

 

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I have come to agree with the general consensus above. I used to be a big "full wedge swing" guy with up to 5 wedges at 4 degree intervals to cover distances down to 75 yards with a 64 degree. I have found a lot more consistency with using partial shots with less lofted wedges. For me, full shots with high lofts require a very specific degree of shaft lean at impact, contact point on face, and swingpath to get the expected height, distance and spin. Partial swings with less loft seem to be more forgiving and repeatable with a higher variation in contact resulting in acceptable results.

 

I also feel there is a bigger difference in greenside shot performance between a 60 and a 58 than between a 58 and a 56. Probably more perceptual than physical but either way, it is real to me.

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... Well here is a dissenting opinion. I was basically forced to play a 58* instead of 60* when my pw went from 48* to 46*. So instead of 54/60* I started playing 52/58* to keep the 6* gaps with my wedges. I played all my green side shots for 30 years with my 60* so I was a little worried about going to 58*. After getting comfortable with the change, I wish I had made the move 25 years ago. As others have stated, hitting my 60* harder only produced a higher flight, and while that is a shot I don't hit very often, the 58* performs better for me. At 66, my short game is the cornerstone of my index and I would not make the change if it effected me negatively in any way. Around the green I found very little difference in performance between the 60* and 58* and I now prefer the 58*. Ymmv

 

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Learn to hit your SW and GW 100 yards. I have the same distances as you pretty much, and I literally never hit my LW the full 95-ish yards that it can go. A back pin that's at 100 yards I actually will play a soft knockdown PW, land it hopefully around 90-92, and let it roll out a bit. Middle or front pins at 100, I'll either choke up a an inch or two and hit a full GW or I'll hit a full SW if the hole is playing up hill and/or there's wind at my back.

 

 

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> @xyckin said:

> Would a 2 degree change in loft significantly change my yardage?

> I'm currently using a 60 Hi Toe which I love for short shots and bunker shots but I've also found that from time to time I need to hit a high 100 yard shot which I try to do with my 60 wedge but it always comes up short. My full shots for 50 goes 125-130, 54 goes 115-120 and I can actually control these distances just fine so I assume that a 60 should get me about 100 but it comes up short at 85-90. The only way I can actually get my 60 to go 100-105 is by really just hammering down the 60 which leads me to be more inconsistent with my striking. Will the 58 be significantly different from the 60 in terms of short chips and bunker shots? I really love my 60 so far but this 100 yard shot is just crushing me especially if I can't approach the green with a low flighted PW or 50. The only reason the 60 hasn't moved down to a 58 is because of how versatile I've found it to be greenside and I don't really put myself in 100 yard distances but when I do by accident......

> Also, if so, anyone tried the Big foot?

 

I've been using my 58° for just about all shots 100 yards and in for years. I've never felt the need for more loft.

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I went to a 58* many years ago and haven't looked back.

More consistent full shots ( Rarely used for those) and same function around greens.

I use mine as 75yd full. 54* goes 90yd full, 50*GW is 105 Full.

Learned to control distances with all wedges and short irons....develop those golf skills.

 

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If you are comfortable with it around the green a 58* should do the trick. Personally it's my favorite club in my bag. Just make sure you find the right bounce/grind combo for your game.

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> @chisag said:

> ... Well here is a dissenting opinion. I was basically forced to play a 58* instead of 60* when my pw went from 48* to 46*. So instead of 54/60* I started playing 52/58* to keep the 6* gaps with my wedges. I played all my green side shots for 30 years with my 60* so I was a little worried about going to 58*. After getting comfortable with the change, I wish I had made the move 25 years ago. As others have stated, hitting my 60* harder only produced a higher flight, and while that is a shot I don't hit very often, the 58* performs better for me. At 66, my short game is the cornerstone of my index and I would not make the change if it effected me negatively in any way. Around the green I found very little difference in performance between the 60* and 58* and I now prefer the 58*. Ymmv

>

 

Agreed, I also made this change in wedges years ago,

Works great, can still open the 58* to give even more

loft for versatile shots around the green,

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I played a 60* for years with good success. It went 100 yards on a full swing and I used it almost exclusively around the greens. Then about a year ago I seemed to lose some distance with it (even though my other club distances remained the same). Could have been a little swing change that caused it to launch even higher.

 

Switched to a 58* around that time. I find it much more effective on full or near full swings. Can easily hit it anywhere between 90-105 yards with not nearly as much height. No doubt I'm losing something around the greens though.

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Each person is different so you've got to figure it out for your own game unfortunately. For myself, I've been on the 58* for 15-20 years now. Growing up I was a 60* guy, primarily for chipping around the green, but anything over 40-50 yards was difficult, and full swings a nightmare. I switched to a 58 in the same bounce, grind, etc and I could hit full shots with ease, and half to 3/4 shots just as easily. No more sliding under or scooping shots, no fear of hitting it between 60 and 100 yards on full swings. 100 yards is now a breeze. And around the green I have lost nothing except maybe the super flop that I might have to use but twice a season, and even then you can adjust. Just my .02 but I cannot get by without a 58 now.

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I too grew up playing a 60, but switched to a 58 about 12 years ago and haven't looked back. Same as others have mentioned, more predictable approach shots (I won't say full because I also don't like to swing my 58 more than 3/4), and gives me the versatility that I need.

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I have always had a 60 in the bag until recently. I found that I never hit square faced shots with it, only open cut lobs and pitches. I switched to 54/58 just to see if the wedge guy article about less loft and more consistent distance control would result. I can still hit the high, soft as a broken footed butterfly lobs with a 58 but more importantly I can hit square faced distance wedge shots that I previously delegatef to my 56.

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In my experience a 60*+ wedge is extremely difficult to hit on a full shot and is a high tariff shot at best as you have to be so precise. A 58* is much easier to use both for short and full shots with little or no difference especially if you are able to open the head to create a flop type shot, yet it is much easier to hit a full shot with better penetration. Consider a 50*, 54* and 58* wedge set and practice to establish your distances with half, 3/4 and full swings with each with the ball set in a forward, mid and back position in your stance and when placing your hands in your normal position on the shaft grip and then when moved maybe an inch down so as to shorten the shaft with a resulting reduction in shot distance. Depending on head sole style you can also get further shot types by opening or closing the face. If you record each combination on paper you will find some combinations that travel the same distance, some with a low flight that will travel a bit further on landing and others that will travel higher and stop quickly. Practice each and the bottom line is that I would be surprised if you find any distance or shot type that one of the above will not cover. Most good wedge players will say you will get better results with a low wedge shot wherever possible.

 

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I made the mistake a few years ago of moving from a 60 to a 58 degree lob wedge. I though having the 58 from the fairway would give me a weapon I lacked with the 60. I then moved to a 50 and 54 to create proper gapping.

 

Unfortunately, the move cost me my strength, which was my short game around the green. I stubbornly kept working with the 58 to no avail, and longer than I should have. It could have been the look of the 58, which visually looked strong to me, or just mental. But I could not get the loft of my shots and the control I have with the 60.

 

I finally went back to a 52-56-60 configuration, and literally chipped in from off the green first round back.I am now back to where if I have the 60 in my hands around the green, I seldom bring my putter from the cart.

 

But I **never** use the 60 for more than a 50-60 yard shot, which is just a smooth half swing. Beyond that is a disaster waiting to happen.

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> @texcrom said:

> I finally went back to a 52-56-60 configuration...,

> But I **never** use the 60 for more than a 50-60 yard shot, which is just a _smooth half swing._ Beyond that is a disaster waiting to happen.

 

I hear you. If I try more than half swing, the ball goes mainly higher and wilder.

 

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if you love your 60 keep your 60

 

 

i have played a long time with 47 52 58 and very rarely with 64 only if conditions are very hard

this summer i have replaced 58 and 64 by a 60, results are very good for me

 

No full shots with the 60 (60 yards max) , i prefer a partial shot with 52

 

now i play 58 this winter because the conditions are not good in north of France;

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> @Z1ggy16 said:

> Learn to hit your SW and GW 100 yards. I have the same distances as you pretty much, and I literally never hit my LW the full 95-ish yards that it can go. A back pin that's at 100 yards I actually will play a soft knockdown PW, land it hopefully around 90-92, and let it roll out a bit. Middle or front pins at 100, I'll either choke up a an inch or two and hit a full GW or I'll hit a full SW if the hole is playing up hill and/or there's wind at my back.

>

>

 

II agree with Ziggy. Learn to flight the ball to 100 with your other wedges and stop trying to get the LW to go that distance. You'll become a better player for it. I can hit my 56 SW to EXACTLY 100 yards with three different ball flights for different conditions. I can hit my 50 GW to 100 yards with two different flights. They all have different purposes. I never bother trying to hit my 60 LW to 100 yards.... what's the point?

 

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      Ben Baller WITB update (New putter, driver, hybrid and shafts) – 2024 Genesis Invitational
       
       
       
       
       
      Pullout Albums
       
      New Vortex Golf rangefinder - 2024 Genesis Invitational
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    • 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open - Discussion and Links to Photos
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      General Albums
       
      2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open - Monday #1
      2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open - Monday #2
       
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
      Ben Taylor - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Garrick Higgo - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Billy Horschel - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Justin Lower - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
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      Sami Valimaki - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Ryo Hisatsune - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
       
       
       
       
       
       
      Pullout Albums
       
      Jake Knapp's custom Cameron putters - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      New Cameron putters - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Tyler Duncan's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Greyson Sigg's custom Cameron putters - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Sunjae Im's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Ping's Waste Management putter covers - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
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      Odyssey Waste Management putter covers - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
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      Cameron putters - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Zac Blair's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Bettinardi Waste Management putter covers - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
       
       
       
       
       
       

       
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