Strokes Gained Putting

[heavy_hitter]

Anyone else tracking Strokes gained putting? Was told this is the only stat to track in regards to putting. Number of putts in a round really means nothing. The concept is fascinating to me and reading how it is calculated. I am using a Strokes Gained Calculator. https://www.golfrankingstats.com/strokes-gained-calculator/

 

Last tournament was rained shortened to one round. I logged the distances by watching him walk from hole to ball and guesstimated. He ended up at a -2.88. Not that he putted poorly, he just didn't make anything. One 3 putt, two putts missed from 3-4ft. Nothing made outside of 8 ft.

 

 

[Noles]

> @heavy_hitter said:

> Anyone else tracking Strokes gained putting? Was told this is the only stat to track in regards to putting. Number of putts in a round really means nothing. The concept is fascinating to me and reading how it is calculated. I am using a Strokes Gained Calculator. https://www.golfrankingstats.com/strokes-gained-calculator/

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> Last tournament was rained shortened to one round. I logged the distances by watching him walk from hole to ball and guesstimated. He ended up at a -2.88. Not that he putted poorly, he just didn't make anything. One 3 putt, two putts missed from 3-4ft. Nothing made outside of 8 ft.

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Very cool. Thanks for sharing the link. I just entered in estimates for my son's round at the team state championship and it came out to -1.50. I would have thought it would have been worse than that. I wonder if there is an app that you could use while you are playing.

[heavy_hitter]

> @Noles said:

> > @heavy_hitter said:

> > Anyone else tracking Strokes gained putting? Was told this is the only stat to track in regards to putting. Number of putts in a round really means nothing. The concept is fascinating to me and reading how it is calculated. I am using a Strokes Gained Calculator. https://www.golfrankingstats.com/strokes-gained-calculator/

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> > Last tournament was rained shortened to one round. I logged the distances by watching him walk from hole to ball and guesstimated. He ended up at a -2.88. Not that he putted poorly, he just didn't make anything. One 3 putt, two putts missed from 3-4ft. Nothing made outside of 8 ft.

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> Very cool. Thanks for sharing the link. I just entered in estimates for my son's round at the team state championship and it came out to -1.50. I would have thought it would have been worse than that. I wonder if there is an app that you could use while you are playing.

 

> @Noles said:

> > @heavy_hitter said:

> > Anyone else tracking Strokes gained putting? Was told this is the only stat to track in regards to putting. Number of putts in a round really means nothing. The concept is fascinating to me and reading how it is calculated. I am using a Strokes Gained Calculator. https://www.golfrankingstats.com/strokes-gained-calculator/

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> > Last tournament was rained shortened to one round. I logged the distances by watching him walk from hole to ball and guesstimated. He ended up at a -2.88. Not that he putted poorly, he just didn't make anything. One 3 putt, two putts missed from 3-4ft. Nothing made outside of 8 ft.

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> Very cool. Thanks for sharing the link. I just entered in estimates for my son's round at the team state championship and it came out to -1.50. I would have thought it would have been worse than that. I wonder if there is an app that you could use while you are playing.

 

Not sure. This is the only thing I could find on it.

 

This conversation started with a friend telling me about it from one of his friends. The dad's kids are all high achieving golfers. Oldest son played at Duke and is now on the Mackenzie tour. According to him, it is really the only stat that matters. The gentleman is a high scholar mathematician at an Ivy League.

[Noles]

> @heavy_hitter said:

> > @Noles said:

> > > @heavy_hitter said:

> > > Anyone else tracking Strokes gained putting? Was told this is the only stat to track in regards to putting. Number of putts in a round really means nothing. The concept is fascinating to me and reading how it is calculated. I am using a Strokes Gained Calculator. https://www.golfrankingstats.com/strokes-gained-calculator/

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> > > Last tournament was rained shortened to one round. I logged the distances by watching him walk from hole to ball and guesstimated. He ended up at a -2.88. Not that he putted poorly, he just didn't make anything. One 3 putt, two putts missed from 3-4ft. Nothing made outside of 8 ft.

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> > Very cool. Thanks for sharing the link. I just entered in estimates for my son's round at the team state championship and it came out to -1.50. I would have thought it would have been worse than that. I wonder if there is an app that you could use while you are playing.

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> > @Noles said:

> > > @heavy_hitter said:

> > > Anyone else tracking Strokes gained putting? Was told this is the only stat to track in regards to putting. Number of putts in a round really means nothing. The concept is fascinating to me and reading how it is calculated. I am using a Strokes Gained Calculator. https://www.golfrankingstats.com/strokes-gained-calculator/

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> > > Last tournament was rained shortened to one round. I logged the distances by watching him walk from hole to ball and guesstimated. He ended up at a -2.88. Not that he putted poorly, he just didn't make anything. One 3 putt, two putts missed from 3-4ft. Nothing made outside of 8 ft.

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> > Very cool. Thanks for sharing the link. I just entered in estimates for my son's round at the team state championship and it came out to -1.50. I would have thought it would have been worse than that. I wonder if there is an app that you could use while you are playing.

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> Not sure. This is the only thing I could find on it.

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> This conversation started with a friend telling me about it from one of his friends. The dad's kids are all high achieving golfers. Oldest son played at Duke and is now on the Mackenzie tour. According to him, it is really the only stat that matters. The gentleman is a high scholar mathematician at an Ivy League.

 

I searched and found an app literally called Strokes Gained Putting. I'm going to give it a try while playing tomorrow. I'll post after and give feedback.

[Mr. Grumpy]

I have not for our team if only because it is hard enough for them to remember to count strokes let alone estimate distance and record it. We do practice this way though, keeping stats and playing putting games from 3 - 40 ft.

[Aaronwilson_95]

Not that hard to estimate.

In all honesty decade at 19$ a month is a really good deal and he does all strokes gained at different levels not just pga tour level. Essentially just write ok your pinsheet how far the joke was . Where your approach was from . Pace off your putt (which takes zero time& will long term help your kids learn a good judgement of green speed from course to course.

[sethdavidsdad]

> @heavy_hitter said:

> Anyone else tracking Strokes gained putting? Was told this is the only stat to track in regards to putting. Number of putts in a round really means nothing. The concept is fascinating to me and reading how it is calculated. I am using a Strokes Gained Calculator. https://www.golfrankingstats.com/strokes-gained-calculator/

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> Last tournament was rained shortened to one round. I logged the distances by watching him walk from hole to ball and guesstimated. He ended up at a -2.88. Not that he putted poorly, he just didn't make anything. One 3 putt, two putts missed from 3-4ft. Nothing made outside of 8 ft.

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You can do this thru the TaylorMade my round pro app for free. Or if you remember your round do it after on the computer. Takes a little time during the round so I don’t use it much. Free is good

[hangontight]

Interesting. Agree putts per round is skewed- I have always tracked putts per/GIR also. Have occasionally made notes on estimated distance of putts, but couldn’t find the way to quantify it. This looks like a good way.

[YoungJedi]

Golf metrics

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Strokes gained

 

[HiTrajLoSpin]

Here's the website for a strokes gained:putting app

 

[https://truputt.net](https://truputt.net "https://truputt.net")

 

Looks like it's available on the App Store for $2.99, with no subscription or upgrade fees.

[kekoa]

Never tracked SGP, but I plan to start soon. We did this at a camp over the weekend and my son's total putts was 30 with (3) three putts. Eye opener was his SGP was something like .75. I always thought he was a pretty good putter lol.

 

I need to try some of the different apps out there since tracking this seems very tedious and also includes a lot of estimating...

[MikekiM]

If i'm understanding the stat correctly, isn't the SGP number comparing to those on the PGA tour? It isn't a metric against competitors in your tournament or your age group, but against PGA tour players. So while it's interesting to note the raw number you're yielding, its the overall trending of the data that's more important for the juniors. Realistically I would expect my junior to always be in the minus when comparing against pros.

 

[wildcatden]

Wouldn't it be simpler to just track putts per round? 36 or more = your putting needs work. 31-35 = you are putting well/very well. 30 or less = you are on fire.

[kekoa]

> @MikekiM said:

> If i'm understanding the stat correctly, isn't the SGP number comparing to those on the PGA tour? It isn't a metric against competitors in your tournament or your age group, but against PGA tour players. So while it's interesting to note the raw number you're yielding, its the overall trending of the data that's more important for the juniors. Realistically I would expect my junior to always be in the minus when comparing against pros.

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Mike, you are way smarter than me, but i thought the idea is to just be above 1 for juniors. A few of the kids at camp were in the +1.1 area, which is good.

[MikekiM]

> @wildcatden said:

> Wouldn't it be simpler to just track putts per round? 36 or more = your putting needs work. 31-35 = you are putting well/very well. 30 or less = you are on fire.

 

The issue with just keeping track of putts is that it doesn't take into account the length of the putt. 36 putts if all the putts are 30+ feet isn't too bad at all. 36 putts if the putts are all short is bad. SGP takes into account the lengths of the putt.

 

> @kekoa said:

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> Mike, you are way smarter than me, but i thought the idea is to just be above 1 for juniors. A few of the kids at camp were in the +1.1 area, which is good.

 

I think you're referring to the speed ratio stat, not the SGP. For the speed ratio, you want something at 1 or higher. That was a ratio of the length of the total amount of putts in feet, divded by the length of the second putt in inches. In our group we had a 1.5 and a 1.44 which I think were the two highest for the day.

 

For SGP you just want positive numbers, which mean you're gaining strokes over the competition.

 

[kekoa]

> @MikekiM said:

> > @wildcatden said:

> > Wouldn't it be simpler to just track putts per round? 36 or more = your putting needs work. 31-35 = you are putting well/very well. 30 or less = you are on fire.

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> The issue with just keeping track of putts is that it doesn't take into account the length of the putt. 36 putts if all the putts are 30+ feet isn't too bad at all. 36 putts if the putts are all short is bad. SGP takes into account the lengths of the putt.

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> > @kekoa said:

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> > Mike, you are way smarter than me, but i thought the idea is to just be above 1 for juniors. A few of the kids at camp were in the +1.1 area, which is good.

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> I think you're referring to the speed ratio stat, not the SGP. For the speed ratio, you want something at 1 or higher. That was a ratio of the length of the total amount of putts in feet, divded by the length of the second putt in inches. In our group we had a 1.5 and a 1.44 which I think were the two highest for the day.

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> For SGP you just want positive numbers, which mean you're gaining strokes over the competition.

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LOL!! You are right. I was half asleep and wasn't paying attention during the classroom portion.

[heavy_hitter]

> @wildcatden said:

> Wouldn't it be simpler to just track putts per round? 36 or more = your putting needs work. 31-35 = you are putting well/very well. 30 or less = you are on fire.

 

Putts per round doesn't matter. Strokes Gained Putting gives you a more accurate sense of how they are putting. It is really the only stat that matters and what the Pro's are looking at when it comes to putting.

 

31-35 putts stinks if you only hit 5 greens.

[heavy_hitter]

> @MikekiM said:

> If i'm understanding the stat correctly, isn't the SGP number comparing to those on the PGA tour? It isn't a metric against competitors in your tournament or your age group, but against PGA tour players. So while it's interesting to note the raw number you're yielding, its the overall trending of the data that's more important for the juniors. Realistically I would expect my junior to always be in the minus when comparing against pros.

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You would be surprised. My 14 year old had two days that were +2.58 (30 Putts one three putt from 45 ft.) and +2.18 (32 putts two three putts both from 60 ft.). Because he had 6 birdies over the two days along with a lot of 1 putts his stats were good.

[kekoa]

> @heavy_hitter said:

> > @MikekiM said:

> > If i'm understanding the stat correctly, isn't the SGP number comparing to those on the PGA tour? It isn't a metric against competitors in your tournament or your age group, but against PGA tour players. So while it's interesting to note the raw number you're yielding, its the overall trending of the data that's more important for the juniors. Realistically I would expect my junior to always be in the minus when comparing against pros.

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> You would be surprised. My 14 year old had two days that were +2.58 (30 Putts one three putt from 45 ft.) and +2.18 (32 putts two three putts both from 60 ft.). Because he had 6 birdies over the two days along with a lot of 1 putts his stats were good.

 

That sounds crazy good since the #1 guy on the pga tour is at something like 2.3 (avg), but that is only over 4 rounds or 1 tournament. Interestingly, if you look at the best players in the world, their SGP isn't very good at all. Take Brooks for example with a SGP avg. of -.707.

[heavy_hitter]

> @kekoa said:

> > @heavy_hitter said:

> > > @MikekiM said:

> > > If i'm understanding the stat correctly, isn't the SGP number comparing to those on the PGA tour? It isn't a metric against competitors in your tournament or your age group, but against PGA tour players. So while it's interesting to note the raw number you're yielding, its the overall trending of the data that's more important for the juniors. Realistically I would expect my junior to always be in the minus when comparing against pros.

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> > You would be surprised. My 14 year old had two days that were +2.58 (30 Putts one three putt from 45 ft.) and +2.18 (32 putts two three putts both from 60 ft.). Because he had 6 birdies over the two days along with a lot of 1 putts his stats were good.

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> That sounds crazy good since the #1 guy on the pga tour is at something like 2.3 (avg), but that is only over 4 rounds or 1 tournament. Interestingly, if you look at the best players in the world, their SGP isn't very good at all. Take Brooks for example with a SGP avg. of -.707.

 

Two weekends prior he was -2.88 in a tournament shortened to 1 day because of weather.

[hangontight]

did anyone ever clarify what the SGP stat is compared to? No way to log everyone’s stats at a junior tmnt , so is based off some stock make percentages from various distances of the average amateur? PGA tour?

 

[leezer99]

Can someone explain to me what the point is in tracking SGP (especially against an enigmatic number like @hangontight references)?

[swizbeatz]

Golfmetrics has a toggle for pga tour or scratch golfer. It’s over a huge data set. Let’s say you have a 20 footer and your 2 putt % is 90. And you also make 90% of your 2 footers. Basically if you hit it to a foot and 100% make rate you gained a small advantage by hitting the 20 footer so well. If you hit it to 4 feet where your make % is 75%, you lost expected strokes regardless of wether the 4 footer goes in or not. Do it thousands of times and 4 feet instead of 1 feet will cost you.

the app I mentioned also breaks down your SG stats from different distance brackets which is nice. I’ve had rounds around 0 where my short putting was actually terrible but I made a couple bombs from low 1 putt % distances which correlate to a large strokes gained #. It actually calculates strokes gained for everything, I liked using it a lot last year. It’s something that would be easy to input after a round or while following your kid around.

[leezer99]

I'm still lost on the point of tracking this stat.

[hangontight]

I understand it as a way to see how your overall putting stacks up against “the field” (I.e- the full data set, wherever it is derived from). Surely 3 putting from 45’ isnt the same as 3 putting from 12’, neither is draining it from 15’ the same as from 3’. So the old method of tracking putts/rd or even categorizing 3 putts & 1 putts isn’t as telling. The cool thing about the SGP app someone suggested is it breaks it down further - 0-10’,11-20’, 20+’....which could be helpful info for practice. For example- - Last season My sons objective was to “make” every putt....rather than be fearful of 3 putting and the safe 2 putt. Especially on long ones he probably ended up having MORE 3 putts, but they were way offset by actually making more 1 putts. My bet Is the SGP stats would of backed that up.

[leezer99]

Makes more sense but what if you miss four 3 foot putts that break left to right but make four 3 foot putts that break right to left? What does sgp tell you?

[swizbeatz]

 

that you lost strokes to the field from 3 feet and should work on your putting

[leezer99]

By that logic if you're better than the field (50%) you don't need to work on putting.

[nsxguy]

You're just spoiling for a fight, aren't you ?

YOU know you missed the left-to-righters and made them the other way so YOU know what to work on.

The app is just a guideline ,,,,,,,,,as most (all ?) stats are. Don't like it ? Don't use it. Sheesh.

[leezer99]

Nah, you're just acting like it means something. JDay was arguably the best putter on tour and practiced 2-3 hours per day.