Dealing with growth spurts

[CTgolf]

> @tiger1873 said:

> > @CTgolf said:

> > Size is overrated in golf

>

> No size does in fact matter and contradictory to common belief hitting the first shot off the tee is the most important shot in golf.

>

> This means being able to hit a driver long and strait is needed to get to the highest levels of golf. A lot smaller then average kids get into golf because it is not a physical sport like football. When there little kids distance is not really a big deal. Just learn to pitch and lag putt and you will win a good number of tournaments. The smaller kids all suffer as the bigger kids start playing golf later on.

>

> Once you start playing in junior tournaments where the only age requirement is their under 18 you see a lot different things go on. With girls you see the ones who can't drive struggle on the harder setups but girls are not as long so they can sometimes do ok if they can chip

>

> With boys you can really see the smaller ones struggle with the boys who are bigger and longer to keep up in most cases it is a losing battle.

 

Size is not deterministic of (driving) distance

 

That's why it is overrated in golf

[heavy_hitter]

> @CTgolf said:

> > @tiger1873 said:

> > > @CTgolf said:

> > > Size is overrated in golf

> >

> > No size does in fact matter and contradictory to common belief hitting the first shot off the tee is the most important shot in golf.

> >

> > This means being able to hit a driver long and strait is needed to get to the highest levels of golf. A lot smaller then average kids get into golf because it is not a physical sport like football. When there little kids distance is not really a big deal. Just learn to pitch and lag putt and you will win a good number of tournaments. The smaller kids all suffer as the bigger kids start playing golf later on.

> >

> > Once you start playing in junior tournaments where the only age requirement is their under 18 you see a lot different things go on. With girls you see the ones who can't drive struggle on the harder setups but girls are not as long so they can sometimes do ok if they can chip

> >

> > With boys you can really see the smaller ones struggle with the boys who are bigger and longer to keep up in most cases it is a losing battle.

>

> Size is not deterministic of (driving) distance

>

> That's why it is overrated in golf

 

You are actually wrong. The number 1 factor in distance before puberty in a golfer is the size and weight of the junior. This is factual information in a study done by Chris Finn with Par4Success.

[tiger1873]

> @heavy_hitter said:

> > @CTgolf said:

> > > @tiger1873 said:

> > > > @CTgolf said:

> > > > Size is overrated in golf

> > >

> > > No size does in fact matter and contradictory to common belief hitting the first shot off the tee is the most important shot in golf.

> > >

> > > This means being able to hit a driver long and strait is needed to get to the highest levels of golf. A lot smaller then average kids get into golf because it is not a physical sport like football. When there little kids distance is not really a big deal. Just learn to pitch and lag putt and you will win a good number of tournaments. The smaller kids all suffer as the bigger kids start playing golf later on.

> > >

> > > Once you start playing in junior tournaments where the only age requirement is their under 18 you see a lot different things go on. With girls you see the ones who can't drive struggle on the harder setups but girls are not as long so they can sometimes do ok if they can chip

> > >

> > > With boys you can really see the smaller ones struggle with the boys who are bigger and longer to keep up in most cases it is a losing battle.

> >

> > Size is not deterministic of (driving) distance

> >

> > That's why it is overrated in golf

>

> You are actually wrong. The number 1 factor in distance before puberty in a golfer is the size and weight of the junior. This is factual information in a study done by Chris Finn with Par4Success.

 

It not just Chris Finn but ask anyone who knows anything about swing and they will say the same thing. One the things a lot top instructors out there look for is a kid who is taller then normal. There is a direct correlation between size and swing speed during puberty.

 

My Oldest daughter swing speed is far above average for her age and there is no doubt her size playing into that since she always been on the taller size based on doctor's charts when she was young.

[heavy_hitter]

> @tiger1873 said:

> > @heavy_hitter said:

> > > @CTgolf said:

> > > > @tiger1873 said:

> > > > > @CTgolf said:

> > > > > Size is overrated in golf

> > > >

> > > > No size does in fact matter and contradictory to common belief hitting the first shot off the tee is the most important shot in golf.

> > > >

> > > > This means being able to hit a driver long and strait is needed to get to the highest levels of golf. A lot smaller then average kids get into golf because it is not a physical sport like football. When there little kids distance is not really a big deal. Just learn to pitch and lag putt and you will win a good number of tournaments. The smaller kids all suffer as the bigger kids start playing golf later on.

> > > >

> > > > Once you start playing in junior tournaments where the only age requirement is their under 18 you see a lot different things go on. With girls you see the ones who can't drive struggle on the harder setups but girls are not as long so they can sometimes do ok if they can chip

> > > >

> > > > With boys you can really see the smaller ones struggle with the boys who are bigger and longer to keep up in most cases it is a losing battle.

> > >

> > > Size is not deterministic of (driving) distance

> > >

> > > That's why it is overrated in golf

> >

> > You are actually wrong. The number 1 factor in distance before puberty in a golfer is the size and weight of the junior. This is factual information in a study done by Chris Finn with Par4Success.

>

> It not just Chris Finn but ask anyone who knows anything about swing and they will say the same thing. One the things a lot top instructors out there look for is a kid who is taller then normal. There is a direct correlation between size and swing speed potential.

 

Until Puberty.

[CTgolf]

> @heavy_hitter said:

> > @CTgolf said:

> > > @tiger1873 said:

> > > > @CTgolf said:

> > > > Size is overrated in golf

> > >

> > > No size does in fact matter and contradictory to common belief hitting the first shot off the tee is the most important shot in golf.

> > >

> > > This means being able to hit a driver long and strait is needed to get to the highest levels of golf. A lot smaller then average kids get into golf because it is not a physical sport like football. When there little kids distance is not really a big deal. Just learn to pitch and lag putt and you will win a good number of tournaments. The smaller kids all suffer as the bigger kids start playing golf later on.

> > >

> > > Once you start playing in junior tournaments where the only age requirement is their under 18 you see a lot different things go on. With girls you see the ones who can't drive struggle on the harder setups but girls are not as long so they can sometimes do ok if they can chip

> > >

> > > With boys you can really see the smaller ones struggle with the boys who are bigger and longer to keep up in most cases it is a losing battle.

> >

> > Size is not deterministic of (driving) distance

> >

> > That's why it is overrated in golf

>

> You are actually wrong. The number 1 factor in distance before puberty in a golfer is the size and weight of the junior. This is factual information in a study done by Chris Finn with Par4Success.

 

**Size is not required to drive the golf ball far**, even at the PGA Tour level.

 

This isn't really up for debate.

[heavy_hitter]

> @CTgolf said:

> > @heavy_hitter said:

> > > @CTgolf said:

> > > > @tiger1873 said:

> > > > > @CTgolf said:

> > > > > Size is overrated in golf

> > > >

> > > > No size does in fact matter and contradictory to common belief hitting the first shot off the tee is the most important shot in golf.

> > > >

> > > > This means being able to hit a driver long and strait is needed to get to the highest levels of golf. A lot smaller then average kids get into golf because it is not a physical sport like football. When there little kids distance is not really a big deal. Just learn to pitch and lag putt and you will win a good number of tournaments. The smaller kids all suffer as the bigger kids start playing golf later on.

> > > >

> > > > Once you start playing in junior tournaments where the only age requirement is their under 18 you see a lot different things go on. With girls you see the ones who can't drive struggle on the harder setups but girls are not as long so they can sometimes do ok if they can chip

> > > >

> > > > With boys you can really see the smaller ones struggle with the boys who are bigger and longer to keep up in most cases it is a losing battle.

> > >

> > > Size is not deterministic of (driving) distance

> > >

> > > That's why it is overrated in golf

> >

> > You are actually wrong. The number 1 factor in distance before puberty in a golfer is the size and weight of the junior. This is factual information in a study done by Chris Finn with Par4Success.

>

> **Size is not required to drive the golf ball far**, even at the PGA Tour level.

>

> This isn't really up for debate.

 

You are wrong. Read what I said. In a Junior before puberty it is the #1 factor.

[wildcatden]

https://www.pgatour.com/tour-insider/2018/05/brian-harman-wells-fargo-championship-height-correlation-success.html

 

"PGA TOUR Commissioner Jay Monahan, in response to the USGA and R&A’s annual distance report published in March, noted that since 2003, the average age of a TOUR member has gone down, the average height up."

 

That still doesn't mean you have to be tall to drive it far. Ask Mr. McIlroy.

 

[CTgolf]

> @heavy_hitter said:

> > @CTgolf said:

> > > @heavy_hitter said:

> > > > @CTgolf said:

> > > > > @tiger1873 said:

> > > > > > @CTgolf said:

> > > > > > Size is overrated in golf

> > > > >

> > > > > No size does in fact matter and contradictory to common belief hitting the first shot off the tee is the most important shot in golf.

> > > > >

> > > > > This means being able to hit a driver long and strait is needed to get to the highest levels of golf. A lot smaller then average kids get into golf because it is not a physical sport like football. When there little kids distance is not really a big deal. Just learn to pitch and lag putt and you will win a good number of tournaments. The smaller kids all suffer as the bigger kids start playing golf later on.

> > > > >

> > > > > Once you start playing in junior tournaments where the only age requirement is their under 18 you see a lot different things go on. With girls you see the ones who can't drive struggle on the harder setups but girls are not as long so they can sometimes do ok if they can chip

> > > > >

> > > > > With boys you can really see the smaller ones struggle with the boys who are bigger and longer to keep up in most cases it is a losing battle.

> > > >

> > > > Size is not deterministic of (driving) distance

> > > >

> > > > That's why it is overrated in golf

> > >

> > > You are actually wrong. The number 1 factor in distance before puberty in a golfer is the size and weight of the junior. This is factual information in a study done by Chris Finn with Par4Success.

> >

> > **Size is not required to drive the golf ball far**, even at the PGA Tour level.

> >

> > This isn't really up for debate.

>

> You are wrong. Read what I said. In a Junior before puberty it is the #1 factor.

 

Read what I wrote. It's not a REQUIREMENT. It could be the #1 factor (which may be why the leaders in driving distance on PGA Tour skew taller), but there are many notable exceptions.

 

Do you know what is a REQUIREMENT to drive the ball? Club head speed (and, after that, hitting the center of the clubface). It is incorrect to say you cannot generate club head speed if you are not tall. It is certainly easier, but it is not a REQUIREMENT.

[CTgolf]

> @wildcatden said:

> https://www.pgatour.com/tour-insider/2018/05/brian-harman-wells-fargo-championship-height-correlation-success.html

>

> "PGA TOUR Commissioner Jay Monahan, in response to the USGA and R&A’s annual distance report published in March, noted that since 2003, the average age of a TOUR member has gone down, the average height up."

>

> That still doesn't mean you have to be tall to drive it far. Ask Mr. McIlroy.

>

 

https://www.pga.com/archive/pga-tour-most-productive-height-2013-2018

[tiger1873]

> @CTgolf said:

> > @heavy_hitter said:

> > > @CTgolf said:

> > > > @heavy_hitter said:

> > > > > @CTgolf said:

> > > > > > @tiger1873 said:

> > > > > > > @CTgolf said:

> > > > > > > Size is overrated in golf

> > > > > >

> > > > > > No size does in fact matter and contradictory to common belief hitting the first shot off the tee is the most important shot in golf.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This means being able to hit a driver long and strait is needed to get to the highest levels of golf. A lot smaller then average kids get into golf because it is not a physical sport like football. When there little kids distance is not really a big deal. Just learn to pitch and lag putt and you will win a good number of tournaments. The smaller kids all suffer as the bigger kids start playing golf later on.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Once you start playing in junior tournaments where the only age requirement is their under 18 you see a lot different things go on. With girls you see the ones who can't drive struggle on the harder setups but girls are not as long so they can sometimes do ok if they can chip

> > > > > >

> > > > > > With boys you can really see the smaller ones struggle with the boys who are bigger and longer to keep up in most cases it is a losing battle.

> > > > >

> > > > > Size is not deterministic of (driving) distance

> > > > >

> > > > > That's why it is overrated in golf

> > > >

> > > > You are actually wrong. The number 1 factor in distance before puberty in a golfer is the size and weight of the junior. This is factual information in a study done by Chris Finn with Par4Success.

> > >

> > > **Size is not required to drive the golf ball far**, even at the PGA Tour level.

> > >

> > > This isn't really up for debate.

> >

> > You are wrong. Read what I said. In a Junior before puberty it is the #1 factor.

>

> Read what I wrote. It's not a REQUIREMENT. It could be the #1 factor (which may be why the leaders in driving distance on PGA Tour skew taller), but there are many notable exceptions.

>

> Do you know what is a REQUIREMENT to drive the ball? Club head speed (and, after that, hitting the center of the clubface). It is incorrect to say you cannot generate club head speed if you are not tall. It is certainly easier, but it is not a REQUIREMENT.

 

I give up your going to believe what ever you want.

[heavy_hitter]

> @CTgolf said:

> > @heavy_hitter said:

> > > @CTgolf said:

> > > > @tiger1873 said:

> > > > > @CTgolf said:

> > > > > Size is overrated in golf

> > > >

> > > > No size does in fact matter and contradictory to common belief hitting the first shot off the tee is the most important shot in golf.

> > > >

> > > > This means being able to hit a driver long and strait is needed to get to the highest levels of golf. A lot smaller then average kids get into golf because it is not a physical sport like football. When there little kids distance is not really a big deal. Just learn to pitch and lag putt and you will win a good number of tournaments. The smaller kids all suffer as the bigger kids start playing golf later on.

> > > >

> > > > Once you start playing in junior tournaments where the only age requirement is their under 18 you see a lot different things go on. With girls you see the ones who can't drive struggle on the harder setups but girls are not as long so they can sometimes do ok if they can chip

> > > >

> > > > With boys you can really see the smaller ones struggle with the boys who are bigger and longer to keep up in most cases it is a losing battle.

> > >

> > > Size is not deterministic of (driving) distance

> > >

> > > That's why it is overrated in golf

> >

> > You are actually wrong. The number 1 factor in distance before puberty in a golfer is the size and weight of the junior. This is factual information in a study done by Chris Finn with Par4Success.

>

> **Size is not required to drive the golf ball far**, even at the PGA Tour level.

>

> This isn't really up for debate.

 

You are wrong. Read what I said. In a Junior before puberty it is the #1 factor.> @CTgolf said:

> > @wildcatden said:

> > https://www.pgatour.com/tour-insider/2018/05/brian-harman-wells-fargo-championship-height-correlation-success.html

> >

> > "PGA TOUR Commissioner Jay Monahan, in response to the USGA and R&A’s annual distance report published in March, noted that since 2003, the average age of a TOUR member has gone down, the average height up."

> >

> > That still doesn't mean you have to be tall to drive it far. Ask Mr. McIlroy.

> >

>

> https://www.pga.com/archive/pga-tour-most-productive-height-2013-2018

 

No one is disputing this. Read what I said. I said JUNIORS before puberty. Has nothing to do with an adult or PGA.

[CTgolf]

> @heavy_hitter said:

> > @CTgolf said:

> > > @heavy_hitter said:

> > > > @CTgolf said:

> > > > > @tiger1873 said:

> > > > > > @CTgolf said:

> > > > > > Size is overrated in golf

> > > > >

> > > > > No size does in fact matter and contradictory to common belief hitting the first shot off the tee is the most important shot in golf.

> > > > >

> > > > > This means being able to hit a driver long and strait is needed to get to the highest levels of golf. A lot smaller then average kids get into golf because it is not a physical sport like football. When there little kids distance is not really a big deal. Just learn to pitch and lag putt and you will win a good number of tournaments. The smaller kids all suffer as the bigger kids start playing golf later on.

> > > > >

> > > > > Once you start playing in junior tournaments where the only age requirement is their under 18 you see a lot different things go on. With girls you see the ones who can't drive struggle on the harder setups but girls are not as long so they can sometimes do ok if they can chip

> > > > >

> > > > > With boys you can really see the smaller ones struggle with the boys who are bigger and longer to keep up in most cases it is a losing battle.

> > > >

> > > > Size is not deterministic of (driving) distance

> > > >

> > > > That's why it is overrated in golf

> > >

> > > You are actually wrong. The number 1 factor in distance before puberty in a golfer is the size and weight of the junior. This is factual information in a study done by Chris Finn with Par4Success.

> >

> > **Size is not required to drive the golf ball far**, even at the PGA Tour level.

> >

> > This isn't really up for debate.

>

> You are wrong. Read what I said. In a Junior before puberty it is the #1 factor.> @CTgolf said:

> > > @wildcatden said:

> > > https://www.pgatour.com/tour-insider/2018/05/brian-harman-wells-fargo-championship-height-correlation-success.html

> > >

> > > "PGA TOUR Commissioner Jay Monahan, in response to the USGA and R&A’s annual distance report published in March, noted that since 2003, the average age of a TOUR member has gone down, the average height up."

> > >

> > > That still doesn't mean you have to be tall to drive it far. Ask Mr. McIlroy.

> > >

> >

> > https://www.pga.com/archive/pga-tour-most-productive-height-2013-2018

>

> No one is disputing this. Read what I said. I said JUNIORS before puberty. Has nothing to do with an adult or PGA.

 

Factors are not outcomes.

 

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[wildcatden]

Another GolfWRX thread has had the subject destroyed and a decision has been made.

 

 

[CTgolf]

> @tiger1873 said:

> > @CTgolf said:

> > > @heavy_hitter said:

> > > > @CTgolf said:

> > > > > @heavy_hitter said:

> > > > > > @CTgolf said:

> > > > > > > @tiger1873 said:

> > > > > > > > @CTgolf said:

> > > > > > > > Size is overrated in golf

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > No size does in fact matter and contradictory to common belief hitting the first shot off the tee is the most important shot in golf.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This means being able to hit a driver long and strait is needed to get to the highest levels of golf. A lot smaller then average kids get into golf because it is not a physical sport like football. When there little kids distance is not really a big deal. Just learn to pitch and lag putt and you will win a good number of tournaments. The smaller kids all suffer as the bigger kids start playing golf later on.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Once you start playing in junior tournaments where the only age requirement is their under 18 you see a lot different things go on. With girls you see the ones who can't drive struggle on the harder setups but girls are not as long so they can sometimes do ok if they can chip

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > With boys you can really see the smaller ones struggle with the boys who are bigger and longer to keep up in most cases it is a losing battle.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Size is not deterministic of (driving) distance

> > > > > >

> > > > > > That's why it is overrated in golf

> > > > >

> > > > > You are actually wrong. The number 1 factor in distance before puberty in a golfer is the size and weight of the junior. This is factual information in a study done by Chris Finn with Par4Success.

> > > >

> > > > **Size is not required to drive the golf ball far**, even at the PGA Tour level.

> > > >

> > > > This isn't really up for debate.

> > >

> > > You are wrong. Read what I said. In a Junior before puberty it is the #1 factor.

> >

> > Read what I wrote. It's not a REQUIREMENT. It could be the #1 factor (which may be why the leaders in driving distance on PGA Tour skew taller), but there are many notable exceptions.

> >

> > Do you know what is a REQUIREMENT to drive the ball? Club head speed (and, after that, hitting the center of the clubface). It is incorrect to say you cannot generate club head speed if you are not tall. It is certainly easier, but it is not a REQUIREMENT.

>

> I give up your going to believe what ever you want.

 

YOU are the one who just claimed a 5'5" 115bls 15yo girl can probably hit it 280!

[darter79]

In 99% cases in junior golf the bigger you are the further it goes as in adult that has no relationship. However, I know this very tiny kid who pound for pound destroys the ball. She was a finalist for DCP and lost in a playoff in worlds in girls 8. My daughter is 57" give or take this kid based on pictures comes up to her shoulders. While I will always say bigger kids have advantage there is an exception to each rule. Overall I will take the tall kid over the short kid any day in terms of length off the tee.

[leezer99]

Not to diverge too far from OP's topic but why is it that once your kid goes from junior shoes to adult shoes do the prices jump like $60 a pair? You'd think going from a US size 7 to US size 8 is like the difference of a paper airplane and the Space X Falcon 4.

[CTgolf]

> @leezer99 said:

> Not to diverge too far from OP's topic but why is it that once your kid goes from junior shoes to adult shoes do the prices jump like $60 a pair? You'd think going from a US size 7 to US size 8 is like the difference of a paper airplane and the Space X Falcon 4.

 

shoe size humble brag?

[tiger1873]

> @CTgolf said:

> > @tiger1873 said:

> > > @CTgolf said:

> > > > @heavy_hitter said:

> > > > > @CTgolf said:

> > > > > > @heavy_hitter said:

> > > > > > > @CTgolf said:

> > > > > > > > @tiger1873 said:

> > > > > > > > > @CTgolf said:

> > > > > > > > > Size is overrated in golf

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > No size does in fact matter and contradictory to common belief hitting the first shot off the tee is the most important shot in golf.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This means being able to hit a driver long and strait is needed to get to the highest levels of golf. A lot smaller then average kids get into golf because it is not a physical sport like football. When there little kids distance is not really a big deal. Just learn to pitch and lag putt and you will win a good number of tournaments. The smaller kids all suffer as the bigger kids start playing golf later on.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Once you start playing in junior tournaments where the only age requirement is their under 18 you see a lot different things go on. With girls you see the ones who can't drive struggle on the harder setups but girls are not as long so they can sometimes do ok if they can chip

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > With boys you can really see the smaller ones struggle with the boys who are bigger and longer to keep up in most cases it is a losing battle.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Size is not deterministic of (driving) distance

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > That's why it is overrated in golf

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You are actually wrong. The number 1 factor in distance before puberty in a golfer is the size and weight of the junior. This is factual information in a study done by Chris Finn with Par4Success.

> > > > >

> > > > > **Size is not required to drive the golf ball far**, even at the PGA Tour level.

> > > > >

> > > > > This isn't really up for debate.

> > > >

> > > > You are wrong. Read what I said. In a Junior before puberty it is the #1 factor.

> > >

> > > Read what I wrote. It's not a REQUIREMENT. It could be the #1 factor (which may be why the leaders in driving distance on PGA Tour skew taller), but there are many notable exceptions.

> > >

> > > Do you know what is a REQUIREMENT to drive the ball? Club head speed (and, after that, hitting the center of the clubface). It is incorrect to say you cannot generate club head speed if you are not tall. It is certainly easier, but it is not a REQUIREMENT.

> >

> > I give up your going to believe what ever you want.

>

> YOU are the one who just claimed a 5'5" 115bls 15yo girl can probably hit it 280!

 

I didn't claim that at all someone else did. That was beerpole.

 

I only said it was possible with big rollout and correct conditions and even then I am not sure.

[CTgolf]

> @tiger1873 said:

> > @CTgolf said:

> > > @tiger1873 said:

> > > > @CTgolf said:

> > > > > @heavy_hitter said:

> > > > > > @CTgolf said:

> > > > > > > @heavy_hitter said:

> > > > > > > > @CTgolf said:

> > > > > > > > > @tiger1873 said:

> > > > > > > > > > @CTgolf said:

> > > > > > > > > > Size is overrated in golf

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > No size does in fact matter and contradictory to common belief hitting the first shot off the tee is the most important shot in golf.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > This means being able to hit a driver long and strait is needed to get to the highest levels of golf. A lot smaller then average kids get into golf because it is not a physical sport like football. When there little kids distance is not really a big deal. Just learn to pitch and lag putt and you will win a good number of tournaments. The smaller kids all suffer as the bigger kids start playing golf later on.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Once you start playing in junior tournaments where the only age requirement is their under 18 you see a lot different things go on. With girls you see the ones who can't drive struggle on the harder setups but girls are not as long so they can sometimes do ok if they can chip

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > With boys you can really see the smaller ones struggle with the boys who are bigger and longer to keep up in most cases it is a losing battle.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Size is not deterministic of (driving) distance

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > That's why it is overrated in golf

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You are actually wrong. The number 1 factor in distance before puberty in a golfer is the size and weight of the junior. This is factual information in a study done by Chris Finn with Par4Success.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > **Size is not required to drive the golf ball far**, even at the PGA Tour level.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This isn't really up for debate.

> > > > >

> > > > > You are wrong. Read what I said. In a Junior before puberty it is the #1 factor.

> > > >

> > > > Read what I wrote. It's not a REQUIREMENT. It could be the #1 factor (which may be why the leaders in driving distance on PGA Tour skew taller), but there are many notable exceptions.

> > > >

> > > > Do you know what is a REQUIREMENT to drive the ball? Club head speed (and, after that, hitting the center of the clubface). It is incorrect to say you cannot generate club head speed if you are not tall. It is certainly easier, but it is not a REQUIREMENT.

> > >

> > > I give up your going to believe what ever you want.

> >

> > YOU are the one who just claimed a 5'5" 115bls 15yo girl can probably hit it 280!

>

> I didn't claim that at all someone else did. That was beerpole.

>

> I only said it was possible with big rollout and correct conditions and even then I am not sure.

 

You said: "A few years ago I seen a girl who was 11 or 12 hit 260 yard par 4 greens in Texas. I am sure she must be hitting it 280 now and she is only 14 or 15."

 

she must be HUGE SIZE, yes?

[tiger1873]

> @CTgolf said:

> > @tiger1873 said:

> > > @CTgolf said:

> > > > @tiger1873 said:

> > > > > @CTgolf said:

> > > > > > @heavy_hitter said:

> > > > > > > @CTgolf said:

> > > > > > > > @heavy_hitter said:

> > > > > > > > > @CTgolf said:

> > > > > > > > > > @tiger1873 said:

> > > > > > > > > > > @CTgolf said:

> > > > > > > > > > > Size is overrated in golf

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > No size does in fact matter and contradictory to common belief hitting the first shot off the tee is the most important shot in golf.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > This means being able to hit a driver long and strait is needed to get to the highest levels of golf. A lot smaller then average kids get into golf because it is not a physical sport like football. When there little kids distance is not really a big deal. Just learn to pitch and lag putt and you will win a good number of tournaments. The smaller kids all suffer as the bigger kids start playing golf later on.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Once you start playing in junior tournaments where the only age requirement is their under 18 you see a lot different things go on. With girls you see the ones who can't drive struggle on the harder setups but girls are not as long so they can sometimes do ok if they can chip

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > With boys you can really see the smaller ones struggle with the boys who are bigger and longer to keep up in most cases it is a losing battle.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Size is not deterministic of (driving) distance

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > That's why it is overrated in golf

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You are actually wrong. The number 1 factor in distance before puberty in a golfer is the size and weight of the junior. This is factual information in a study done by Chris Finn with Par4Success.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > **Size is not required to drive the golf ball far**, even at the PGA Tour level.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This isn't really up for debate.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You are wrong. Read what I said. In a Junior before puberty it is the #1 factor.

> > > > >

> > > > > Read what I wrote. It's not a REQUIREMENT. It could be the #1 factor (which may be why the leaders in driving distance on PGA Tour skew taller), but there are many notable exceptions.

> > > > >

> > > > > Do you know what is a REQUIREMENT to drive the ball? Club head speed (and, after that, hitting the center of the clubface). It is incorrect to say you cannot generate club head speed if you are not tall. It is certainly easier, but it is not a REQUIREMENT.

> > > >

> > > > I give up your going to believe what ever you want.

> > >

> > > YOU are the one who just claimed a 5'5" 115bls 15yo girl can probably hit it 280!

> >

> > I didn't claim that at all someone else did. That was beerpole.

> >

> > I only said it was possible with big rollout and correct conditions and even then I am not sure.

>

> You said: "A few years ago I seen a girl who was 11 or 12 hit 260 yard par 4 greens in Texas. I am sure she must be hitting it 280 now and she is only 14 or 15."

>

> she must be HUGE SIZE, yes?

 

If you insist yes she was a lot taller than an average girl her age. When she was 12 she look like she 14 or 15 and already taller then most women. Any girl who is tall and plays a lot tournament golf with instruction tends to drive much father then average trust me I know. I also seen 12 year girls who couldn't hit 150 and usually are not very tall.

 

To say size doesn't matter is just plain crazy talk especially in junior golf.

[TripleBogeysrbetter]

Almost on topic but I feel kids with a later growth spur are in a better position. Yes, they will probably be out driven at 13 yo by 1/2 the field. The kids that have mustaches at 14, but those kids stop growing. They have the edge at 14 is no longer present at 17 when the shorter kid finally starts growing. In fact, the short kid has had to adapt his game. He is probably a better iron and short game player.

 

Most big kids I've come across are just well BIG. They haven't worked out or have a good core.

 

Yes, I'm short kid biased and I approve this message.

[heavy_hitter]

> @TripleBogeysrbetter said:

> Almost on topic but I feel kids with a later growth spur are in a better position. Yes, they will probably be out driven at 13 yo by 1/2 the field. The kids that have mustaches at 14, but those kids stop growing. They have the edge at 14 is no longer present at 17 when the shorter kid finally starts growing. In fact, the short kid has had to adapt his game. He is probably a better iron and short game player.

>

> Most big kids I've come across are just well BIG. They haven't worked out or have a good core.

>

> Yes, I'm short kid biased and I approve this message.

 

I don't disagree with this message.

[BeerPerHole]

My take on this - and I've seen it with my son - is to be patient and let it happen. The swing will come back, as it has for my son, once the growth spurt slows. Our problem is that my son doesn't practice. In spite of even that his swing has returned.

 

My son's driving distance isn't what it was before. Not sure why yet, and don't really care. Probably a combination of not being as flexible and some loss of speed brought on by video games and screen time.

[tiger1873]

Getting back on topic my daughter has been going though a huge growth spurt in what seems forever. We have a huge issue dealing with clubs and exact yardages. We try and keep a chart and update everything but it seems like we play whack a mole a lot. I can't tell you how many times she pulls out a club that we tested distance and got it down exact only to have a few days before a tournament to see that same club go over the green. Getting frustrated that something was wrong only to find out she has gone up again in yardage.

 

We never seen yardage drop unless there was something wrong or equipment issues.

 

One thing I noticed is when it comes to 12 year girls those who haven't had a growth spurt they all tend to be at the top of the leaderboard. But when I talk to most of the parents they wouldn't mind having the problems my girl is going though and actually are worried if they can make the leap in a few years.

 

I also noticed aging up to an older group actually helps with confidence if you kid is on the leading edge of the growth spurt. As crazy as this sounds when we played against older kids it seems to help since the older kids hit it longer and the extra distance pushes them and they learn distance is an advantage. In the younger ages especially with girls the distances are crazy short short and they try to play like the girls winning. Totally different games.

 

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[Kcct82]

> @leezer99 said:

> > @Kcct82 said:

> > My kid is small, his driver distance is only average for his age group. We had to reach 2 Par 4’s last week with his hybrid, so frustrating...

>

> He will catch up quickly... don't fret. When my son was 9 he was playing against 11 year old kids and they were outdriving him by 50+ yards. Now as an 11 year old he's outdriving those same kids that are 13 now.

 

Yeah thanks, I know in the long run he should be fine. I’m just hoping he’ll get a lot bigger by summer time so he has a shot at Worlds. He shot 35 twice in the 7’s group last month before his birthday. If he has the distance to go with his short game he should do well.

[leezer99]

Anyone dealt with a trail leg quad injury? Not sure if it's growth related or some sort of injury. Been icing it but we're going on day 3 now.

[heavy_hitter]

Take him to the Doctor.

[leezer99]

No time... Might have to Mr. Miyagi him.

[heavy_hitter]

Physical therapist?